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08:31 < cchamilt> relo anybody?
08:31 < cchamilt> Just an announcement - casetronic miniITX cases 2699R do not fit daughter boards well.
08:33 < cchamilt> I have a Hauppauge bttv card that is big, had to cut a screw off the back plate of it and file some of the top corner of the board off to fit.
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14:13 < frikkalikka> ok (it's driving me crazy)
14:13 < frikkalikka> i'm cross-building
14:18 < frikkalikka> i've crossed-compiled a very minimal rocklinux system
14:19 < frikkalikka> to have the vmlinux fit in a floppy disk
14:19 < frikkalikka> cp vmlinux /dev/fd0
14:19 < frikkalikka> rdev /dev/fd0 /dev/ram0
14:20 < frikkalikka> cause i get empty disk on primary master
14:21 < frikkalikka> but nothing happends when i boot the pc
14:21 < frikkalikka> (5x86 32M Ram )
14:21 < frikkalikka> why?????
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14:31 < frikkalikka> ????
14:34 < frikkalikka> tnx for considering me
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15:13 < rxr> re
15:22 < __mnemoc> hi rxr
15:22 < rxr> hi __mnemoc 
15:26 < __mnemoc> 'the' mount problem is getting me crazy :-\ the same cdrw works in 5 boxes but not in the ONE i need :(
15:27 < rxr> oh - strange
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15:28 < __mnemoc> btw, does kiss get to fat adding realine support?
15:29 < __mnemoc> i can't live without filename completition o_O
15:31 < rxr> hehe - would be nice - try it ...
15:31 < rxr> ...
15:31 < __mnemoc> last thing, considering there will be no new kiss release...
15:32 < __mnemoc> can we add to the mirror a not 'double-compressed' tarball?
15:33 < rxr> on the mirror will be the official release - whatever the kiss people put into it ...
15:33 < __mnemoc> ok
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17:23 < tcr> moin all
17:23 < __mnemoc> moin tcr
17:25 < rxr> hi tcr
17:36 < netrunner> good day.
17:36 < rxr> hi netrunner 
17:38 < netrunner> hi rxr 
17:38 < blindcoder> netrunner: (from esden) next weekend there is a Apeiron-meeting scheduled, probably sunday
17:39 < netrunner> blindcoder: thx. got it via mail. But I do not know If this weekend or next was ment.
17:41 < __mnemoc> windowsupdate is down =)
18:07 < nookie_> Hola __mnemoc, blindy :)
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18:08 < A-Tui> hi
18:09 < nookie_> Hola A-Tui 
18:10 < A-Tui> hola nookie_
18:10 < A-Tui> how are you?
18:10 < nookie_> Muy bien, gracias, y usted? :)
18:10 < A-Tui> ehhh buen espaņol
18:10 < A-Tui> yo tambien gracias
18:11 < A-Tui> aunque mejor decir "tu" en lugar de "usted" :)
18:11 < A-Tui> "usted" is a very formal word
18:11 < nookie_> damn
18:11 < nookie_> ;)
18:12 < A-Tui> "usted" is used when you are talking a old person or a person who you don't know
18:14 < nookie_> ah
18:14 < nookie_> so I should say
18:15 < nookie_> "y tu"?
18:15 < A-Tui> tú
18:15 < A-Tui> :)
18:16 < A-Tui> nookie_: but was a good spanish :)
18:16 < nookie_> Thanks :)
18:20 < __mnemoc> argentinian ppl said 'vos' instead of 'tu'
18:21 < A-Tui> yes __mnemoc, in Argentina spanish is some different
18:22 < __mnemoc> they 'morfan' instead of 'comen' ... lunfardo is weird
18:23 < A-Tui> morfan?
18:23 < __mnemoc> morfar=comer
18:24 < A-Tui> ahhh i don't know that :)
18:24 < __mnemoc> take a look: http://www.elportaldeltango.com.ar/dicciona.htm
18:25 < __mnemoc> thay have a whole language... not just an 'slang'
18:26 < A-Tui> mmm well, for me is very difficult understand a south spanish yet so an argentinian ... :)
18:28 < __mnemoc> do you pronounce the last 'd' of madriD?
18:31 < tcr> Yau
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18:33 < A-Tui> yes __mnemoc
18:34 < A-Tui> the official pronounce is with the ' d'
18:34 < A-Tui> but in the south people don't do it
18:38 < __mnemoc> we (chilean) do it too... but we can distinguish between b/v or s/c/z o_O
18:40 < A-Tui> hehe, well where i live (Burgos, the main city from Castilla) we talk "Castellano"
18:42 < __mnemoc> :) i think all 'south-american' ppl said castellano too
18:43 < A-Tui> yes, that are the origin for spanish
18:52 < cchamilt> What is the deal with ch?
18:53 < cchamilt> Why does it appear as another letter in my spanish dictionary?
18:54 < A-Tui> another letter?
18:54 < cchamilt> Yep.  My dictionary goes A B C CH D ...
18:54 < A-Tui> mm then is wrong
18:55 < A-Tui> ch are two letters
18:55 < A-Tui> c-h
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18:55 < fake> nabend
18:55 < A-Tui> in the abc... there is not the ch
18:55 < cchamilt> Yeah, that is what I think.  But it is running off the premise that spanish letters only make one sound I think.
18:55 < cchamilt> Hey fake
18:56 < fake> hi chris!
18:56 < A-Tui> hi fake
18:56 < A-Tui> cchamilt: it could be, but official are two letters
18:57 < cchamilt> Are the any letter combinations that make more than one sound?
18:57 < A-Tui> mmm let me thing
18:57 < A-Tui> 'll'
18:57 < cchamilt> ll is also separate.
18:58 < A-Tui> for example, "lluvia" <--- rain
18:58 < cchamilt> Though that is obvious too.
18:58 < cchamilt> llama heh.
18:58 < A-Tui> how do you pronounce them?
18:59 < cchamilt> lama, but I knew from tour shows on tv they say yama.
18:59 < A-Tui> yes, the second one
18:59 < A-Tui> and in spanish are different y an ll
18:59 < cchamilt> Me llamo ...
19:00 < A-Tui> other could be the combinations between g and u
19:00 < A-Tui> guerra
19:00 < A-Tui> guarida
19:00 < cchamilt> Oh yeah, that is interesting.
19:00 < A-Tui> in the first the u don't sound
19:01 < A-Tui> and in the second yes
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19:01 < A-Tui> gema
19:01 < cchamilt> Hmm, might be outside language influence though.
19:01 < A-Tui> the ge without an intermediate u sounds like j
19:02 < cchamilt> Is that in all 'dialects' of spanish?
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19:02 < A-Tui> cchamilt: no
19:02 < A-Tui> only in "castellano"
19:02 < cchamilt> heh
19:02 < A-Tui> others languages are very different from castellano
19:02 < A-Tui> for exaplo, euskera
19:03 < A-Tui> or galician
19:03 < cchamilt> Hmm.
19:03 < cchamilt> Is there any country outside of spain that speaks a 'clean' spanish?
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19:03 < A-Tui> mmmm in south america but a few words and expresions
19:04 < cchamilt> ie. French canadians speak an almost better than france french (I have heard).
19:04 < A-Tui> cchamilt: yes, the same that american people and spanish
19:04 < cchamilt> Americans have a cleaner accent, though we have simplified some spellings of English.
19:05 < cchamilt> Interesting.
19:05 < A-Tui> spanish have too much exceptions
19:05 < A-Tui> and irregular verbs
19:05 < tcr> Never say that to a frenchman, cchamilt
19:06 < A-Tui> tcr: :)
19:06 < cchamilt> I wish I was good at languages.  I am two college classes away from a degree in Spanish.  That me llamo is about as good as I am now.
19:06 < cchamilt> hey tcr how are things?
19:07 < cchamilt> apache + ldap + glibc2.3 works.
19:07 < A-Tui> cchamilt: where are yoy from?
19:07 < cchamilt> Ohio, USA
19:07 < cchamilt> I speak a slow clean English.
19:08 < tcr> cchamilt: Still fighting with getting known to delphi. My Matrix-console emulator thingy (don't know how it's called... you know the thing in the movie where the letters fade down on the screen) is almost finished. 
19:08 < A-Tui> but you can speak very clean with an UK people true?
19:08 < cchamilt> Hmm.  Well, the few English I have met yes.
19:09 < tcr> cchamilt, I am quite good at languages, if it's about things like grokking syntax, grammatic and keeping vocabulary in mind... but when it's going to be about pronunciation, I'm lost
19:09 < A-Tui> other languages in Spain have nothing similar to spanish
19:10 < tcr> That's why I selected Latin and Old greek... no need for pronunciation :)
19:10 < A-Tui> :)
19:10 < A-Tui> mmm spanish have no special pronunciacion
19:11 < A-Tui> words sounds like they are wrote (with a fewer exceptions sure)
19:11 < tcr> A-Tui, for instance, can't speak the quirky 'r' tone, as in terror
19:11 < A-Tui> mmmm the rr
19:11 < A-Tui> can you speak "rojo
19:11 < A-Tui> rojo"
19:11 < tcr> I never had spanish, selected french instead
19:12 < cchamilt> Puerto ricans like twirling r's I remember.
19:12 < tcr> Just know that r tone from classmates
19:12 < A-Tui> cchamilt: yes good example, is a similar sound
19:12 < cchamilt> Never could twirl them myself. I start going hock.
19:13 < tcr> Heh
19:13 < cchamilt> It is sexy coming from girls though.
19:14 < cchamilt> Spanish class ruled sometimes...
19:14 < A-Tui> :)
19:16 < cchamilt> Does anyone know how to upgrade glibc correctly?
19:16 < A-Tui> what's happening cchamilt?
19:17 < cchamilt> My 2.3 is missing headers and obvious 'morphed' itself.
19:17 < A-Tui> headers form glibc?
19:17 < cchamilt> This happened  going from 2.1 to 2.2 before.  I also noticed that a chrooted build on 2.2 making 2.3 can do this.
19:17 < cchamilt> Yep.
19:18 < cchamilt> It is a weird thing.
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19:18 < cchamilt> When I brought rock up to 2.2 I ended up copying all the headers across from the old system to the new.
19:18 < A-Tui> you can't pass headers dirs by hand?
19:19 < cchamilt> Then I built a new build from that host.
19:19 < cchamilt> I am more curious as to why this happens in rock.
19:19 < cchamilt> Clifford promised to look into it when 2.2 was done, and I know he thinks it is fixed for 2.3. However, it ist.
19:20 < cchamilt> isn't.
19:21 < cchamilt> I am just wondering if anyone has figured it out, cause I dont think our cross-compiler thing works.
19:22 < cchamilt> I have no idea why glibc does not install correctly in these situations.  I have no experience playing with glibc2.3, but I may have to investigate.
19:23 < A-Tui> good luck cchamilt :)
19:23 < cchamilt> heh, thanks.
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19:58 < cchamilt> from what 
19:58 < cchamilt> I can tell, debian just kinda went with fixing the headers up.
19:59 < cchamilt> Not actually solving this weird problem.
20:00 < cchamilt> What is interesting is I have two problems: 1. is that netdb.h legacy headers are missing. 2. the glibc23 cannot rebuild the glibc23 - it does not create some build stub that sed is looking for.
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23:57 < __mnemoc> cchamilt: do you have some kind of live-rock-cd iso?
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