--- Log opened Mon Oct 27 00:00:30 2003
00:04 < rxr> ;-) Yes - at home I have my own, too ...
00:04 < rxr> but since Susan has a 1Gb limit (no real flatrate) and no other W-Lan device in in this flat, this wild AP is quite nice to have handy ...
00:06 < mnemoc> :)
00:07 < rxr> I hope the guy does not notice that I disabled his MAC-based filter in this AP soon ...
00:07 < mnemoc> :o
00:07 < rxr> but if he does not notice this soon we already decided that he will get a christmas card at the end of the year ...
00:07 < mnemoc> lol
00:08 < mnemoc> add your MAC :) ... that's safer
00:08 < rxr> nope - there was only one mac in the list - one missing checkmark is less obvious
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00:12 < rxr> any news on your side mnemoc?
00:13 < mnemoc> what kind of news?
00:13 < rxr> nothing specifc, life, ROCK, ... ;-)?
00:14 < mnemoc> i was fired last week... but life is good :-)
00:15 < rxr> oh - why fired?
00:15 < mnemoc> no more internal development :(
00:16 < rxr> ouhm - you have s.th. new ?
00:16 < mnemoc> not yet....
00:16 < mnemoc> gotta go.... brb (20min)
00:19 < daja77> hi rxr :)
00:20 < rxr> hi daja77 
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00:21 < daja77> *sigh* /me busy with lots of stuff besides rock
00:21 < rxr> jups - me too
00:21 < daja77> but my studienarbeit stuff shows some progress
00:21 < A-Tui> hola
00:21 < rxr> but this increases every day now ...
00:21 < rxr> hi A-Tui 
00:21 < daja77> hola A-Tui 
00:22 < rxr> daja77: read a few lines scroll-back to see news about my new internet connection ...
00:22 < daja77> already did ^^
00:22 < rxr> hehe
00:22 < daja77> who is susan?
00:22 < rxr> erhm - my new girlfriend
00:22 < daja77> oh :)
00:23 < A-Tui> :)
00:24 * daja77 'll meet the girl he loves on tuesday
00:24 < rxr> ;-) I wish you all the best!
00:24 < daja77> thx :)
00:26 * daja77 goes to bed now, have to let change tires early in the morning :)
00:26 < rxr> good nicht
00:27 < rxr> I'll fix one rock package - and then I'll go to bed, too
00:27 < daja77> okis cu soon
00:28 < rxr> cu
00:44 < rxr> n8 all - cu tomorrow
00:47 < mnemoc> n8 
00:48 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
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03:48 < mistik1> oh sweet VICTORY!!!!!
03:48 < mistik1> w00t!!!
03:48 < mistik1> rsync rox like sox in a box
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06:21 < cchamilt_> hi
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08:39 < blindcoder> moin moin
08:39 < netrunner> I just wanted to svn switch --relocate svn://schillernet... svn://svn.rocklinux... and it says svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.rocklinux-consulting.de'
08:39 < netrunner> moin blindcoder 
08:49 < netrunner> nice, I just noticed that my laptop now spins down my hdd sometimes
08:52 < netrunner> holds for like 2 minutes. I do not know if that really is that good.
09:06 < Baldzius> hello everyone, i'm little confused about using mine maybe someone could help me?
09:08 < blindcoder> what kind of problem?
09:08 < Baldzius> how can i keep my system up-to date using mine {repositories}?
09:08 < blindcoder> mine repositories?
09:08 < blindcoder> hrm?
09:08 < Baldzius> or i should use rock build package, can't understand that
09:08 < blindcoder> oh
09:09 < blindcoder> in theory, by using scripts/Update-System
09:09 < blindcoder> but I never used it
09:09 < blindcoder> usually I just update single packages when necessary
09:10 < Baldzius> downloading them on hdd and then installing?
09:10 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg openssh
09:10 < blindcoder> for example
09:10 < blindcoder> or
09:10 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Download -package openssh
09:11 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -update openssh
09:11 < blindcoder> like that
09:11 < Baldzius> so i need scripts not mine
09:11 < blindcoder> yes
09:12 < Baldzius> i thought mine is similar to portage or apt
09:12 < blindcoder> mine is "only" the tool for installing and removing packages uing pre-built *.gem files
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09:14 < blueOwl> moin
09:14 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:14 < blueOwl> hi blindy#
09:14 < blueOwl> aaaaaaaargh. i'm c#ified
09:15 < blindcoder> you? You just made ME into a #!!!
09:15 < blueOwl> *g* yeah... i moved my c#ifiedness to you, blindy ;p
09:15 < blindcoder> *kick*
09:16 < blueOwl> hihi
09:17 < Baldzius> one more question, there is dir /usr/src/rock-src, how can i sync it to current rock repository {snapshot}? or i don't need to?
09:18 < blueOwl> shit, shit, shit and shit!
09:18 < blueOwl> wtf is wrong with my fscking lilo, when it only prints "LI"
09:18 < blindcoder> scripts/Update-Src updates it to recent snapshot, but there haven't been any for some time now. You should check out the version from svn and use that
09:18 < blindcoder> blueOwl: compiled for wrong arch?
09:19 < blueOwl> blindcoder: nope. impossible
09:19 < blindcoder> nothing is impossible
09:19 < blueOwl> yesterday the same kernel worked... but now ... 
09:19 < Baldzius> thnx for your help, blindcoder :) 
09:20 < blueOwl> wuah! fsck! too hot tea. ouch.
09:21 < Baldzius> i'm using rock just some days i think i'm going to like it, i hope :)
09:21 < blindcoder> Baldzius: good :)
09:24 < blueOwl> so guys... need your help... someone knows a tool which formats 1.44-floppy-disks to 1.77 mb under windows?
09:25 < blindcoder> is this possible??
09:26 < Baldzius> not sure but i think it is 
09:26 < blueOwl> it is... just the problem, that i didn't use it since some year && don't have the name of this tool which makes it possible to format it to 1.77 mb i forgot it's name
09:26 < blindcoder> never heard of it
09:27 < blindcoder> might be some kind of compression tool....
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09:27 < blindcoder> moin lhang 
09:28 < blueOwl> hi lhang 
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09:29 < blindcoder> strange guy
09:30 < Baldzius> :)
09:30 < Baldzius> sorry for stupid question, what does "moin" means? 
09:30 < blindcoder> moin is a greeting in northern germany
09:31 < Baldzius> i see
09:31 < Baldzius> just as i thought
09:32 < blueOwl> hmmm. now - a) is it possible to write a kernel to a floppy under win, b) who could share a kernel to me, please?
09:33 < blindcoder> a) no
09:33 < blindcoder> b) my kernels are 2MB+
09:34 < blueOwl> a) shit, b) even more shit
09:43 < Baldzius> :)))))))
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09:45 < blueOwl> .oO(http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/Mandrake/9.1/i586/INSTALL.txt)
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10:09 < blueOwl> hmm... blindy... maybe i can cheat a bit... and copy your image to the usb-stick, boot from floppy, mount usb-stick, boot vmlinuz from usb-stick, enter my system and so... 
10:09 < blueOwl> so, could you please give me your vmlinuz?
10:09 < blindcoder> wtf are you trying to do?
10:09 < blueOwl> just trying to boot into my systm... (with defect lilo)
10:09 < blindcoder> no boot-cd?
10:10 < blueOwl> no cd here... 
10:10 < blueOwl> (removed it today in the morning from my rucksack *crying*)
10:10 < blindcoder> burn one?
10:10 < blueOwl> haha. no cd-r(w)s available in this company
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10:11 < blindcoder> hrm
10:12 < blueOwl> blindcoder: thx
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11:05 < blueOwl> hi hannes 
11:05 < hannes> hi blueOwl 
11:06 < blindcoder> hi hannes 
11:06 < hannes> hi blindcoder 
11:06 < hannes> you are installing apollo?
11:07 < hannes> blindcoder: can i remove mouse and keyboard from apolllo?
11:07 < blindcoder> hannes... ehm... yes, sure
11:08 < blindcoder> just don't shut it down
11:08 < hannes> of course...
11:08 < blindcoder> hannes: How long will you be at bitz?
11:08 < hannes> i need some files from technik-03...
11:09 < blindcoder> so?
11:09 < hannes> blindcoder: till afternoon or evening...
11:09 < blindcoder> hannes: okay, want me to bring your monitor?
11:10 < hannes> hey, would be cool!
11:10 < blindcoder> okay, just let mu get dressed and have breakfast
11:10 < hannes> blindcoder: oki =)
11:10 < hannes> blindcoder: thanks
11:10 < blindcoder> bye all
11:42 < rxr> re
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11:51 < blueOwl> tcr: i have something nice for you http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/element/WLH-PDC-Setup.Clean.Installation.jpg
11:53 < tcr> clifford, rene: ping
11:53 < tcr> rxr: ping
11:54 < rxr> pong
11:54 < tcr> rxr: anything with the whole Configuration and pkg selection process seems to be b0rken here
11:55 < rxr> hm - some details (/me at university - and off in some minutes again ...)
11:55 < tcr> rxr: At first, when there existied a config/default/, I could do everything I want but config/default/packages{.txt} wouldn't change in anyway
11:56 < tcr> Now, when there is no config/default, and I select bootdisk as target distribution, every package goes into config/default/packages{.txt}
11:56 < blindcoder> rehi
11:57 < tcr> I'm still investigating but the Config, rockconfig.in Code isn't all that clean :/
11:57 < rxr> hm - always worked for me - I try to take a look soon ...
12:07 < rxr> ok - cu
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12:48 < blueOwl> hi Mike1 
12:49 < daja77> hi all
12:51 < blindcoder> hi hi
12:54 < daja77> hi blindy :)
13:01 * blindcoder continuing work on LPP-support in ROCK and LVP
13:06 < daja77> LPP?
13:13 < blindcoder> Linux Progress Patch
13:14 < daja77> ah to supress txt messages while booting
13:14 < blindcoder> yes
13:14 < daja77> please remind me to work on multimedia target this week *argl*
13:14 < blindcoder> I currently stumble over making init shut up
13:15 < blindcoder> what will it include/is it intended for?
13:16 < daja77> it should boot up and start a browser with links to pics, mp3s and videos
13:16 < tcr> You should better try out scripts/Config and package selection in current HEAD
13:16 < blindcoder> hmhm
13:16 < tcr> It doesn't wore here.
13:16 < blindcoder> hmm... it works here...
13:16 < tcr> work not wore (:->
13:16 < daja77> it should became the base for the official CDROM of chemnitzer linuxtag next year
13:16 < blindcoder> i have HEAD from 2-3 days ago
13:17 < blindcoder> daja77: I see...
13:17 < daja77> concept should be ready 'til december O_o
13:17 < tcr> blindcoder, I don't use svn, but Update-Src... but it looks like HEAD - mnemocs linux upgrade
13:17 < blindcoder> daja77: maybe you can use LVP binary and libgli for it
13:17 < daja77> yes I will try them
13:17 < blindcoder> tcr: Update-Src? Doesn't that just update to the latest Snapshot? (which is... old?)
13:19 < tcr> Hmm
13:20 < tcr> Uhm...
13:21 < tcr> I know that Updare-Src was pretty useless, aka obsole, in past... but I thought that was "fixed"
13:22 * daja77 still prefers svn up ^^
13:22 < blindcoder> don't know... I never used it >_<
13:22 < tcr> svn seems so slow
13:23 < tcr> Have to ask rxr about the accuracy of Update-Src
13:23 < tcr> Blubb
13:25 < daja77> use svn with svn:// protocol, that's much faster
13:26 < daja77> anywa off to lecture now
13:26 < daja77> cu
13:26 < tcr> bye
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14:08 < fake> hi
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14:21 < Nebukadneza> heyya
14:22 < Nebukadneza> is anyone of you here on the worldexpo tomorrow?
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14:44 < blueOwl> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,271479,00.html
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14:51 < rolla> re
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16:27 < cchamilt_> rehis
16:28 < cchamilt_> my mail server is totally dead, hope it can be reset soon.  Hope it will come back up.
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16:38 < ragrag> hi@all
16:39 < ragrag> booting up my rocklinux i get the following error message: "mount_devfs_fs():unable to mount devfs,err:-2 devfs support is enabled.any idea?
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16:43 < ragrag> cu
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16:44 < kiki> Hi there
16:46 < blindcoder> *yawn*
16:46 < blindcoder> hi there
16:46 < blindcoder> damn... I need sleep >_<
16:49 < kiki> is any iso for a minimal boot? i need to boot, and install a system
16:51 < tcr> How do you mean "to boot, and install a system"?
16:52 < kiki> sorry.. Something like a rescue, I dont want download 3 iso..
16:52 < tcr> There are isos of minimal builds... I'm just not sure how up to date they are
16:52 < kiki> I found the rescue for 1.4.0.. i guess i will try that
16:53 < tcr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-beta6/minimal/minimal-2.0-beta6-x86-i386_cd1.iso
16:53 < tcr> That thing is known to be not easily installable on some systems
16:54 < tcr> It's something about cd drives, but the exact error could never be found
16:54 < kiki> 300 mb,.. thaks
16:55 < tcr> Just try it, you might be lucky
16:56 < tcr> The problem is, if you encounter that problem, you will need a rescue system to install that iso
16:56 < kiki> Once i start with the -camp, The install process failed, but was enough to start to build a fresh install then move to that..
16:56 < kiki> :I
16:57 < tcr> Probably you encountered exactly the problem I was talking of
16:58 < kiki> well, I only need to boot, then do a Mine install to the system, choot and start to up-to-date-with-luck
16:58 < kiki> chroot*
16:59 < tcr> Ah, well... that doesn't change much... because the error is located in the stage where the ramdisk should be loaded
16:59 < kiki> OH
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17:01 < tcr> Well, it works as often as it fails 
17:02 < kiki> well, in that case, i can boot a redhat rescue, and do a rock mine.. whatever.. i need to download the rock iso first.
17:04 < tcr> Yeah, it isn't so, that the problem hinders you installing.. it's just that you have to put some further effort at it
17:05 < tcr> For instance, you'd just need a bootable floppy with a shell, mkdir, mount and chroot
17:05 < tcr> Plenty of those exist. so..
17:08 < tcr> Hmm, and a kernel with iso, devfs and tmpfs support
17:08 < kiki> i'm also dowbloading the rescue for 1.4.0
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18:07 < rolla> mistik1: 
18:07 < rolla> I mean Mike1 
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18:30 < daja77> re
18:50 < cchamilt_> Hey, with static /etc/conf/network - do you need to add netmasks in.
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19:29 < tcr> rxr: ping
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20:03 < fake> hello
20:03 < tcr> heyho fake
20:03 < blindcoder> moin
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20:41 < nookie> Good Night my friends :)
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21:45 < tcr> rxr: ping (again)
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22:05 < rxr> re
22:06 < rxr> hi tcr 
22:06 < rxr> open w-lans are really nice
22:06 < tcr> Finally ... re rxr
22:06 < tcr> rxr: Say is Update-Src still obsolete?
22:06 < tcr> I thought it was fixed
22:07 < daja77> re
22:08 < rxr> well - yes, sort of obsolete ...
22:08 < rxr> it should pull the source via rsync from clifford server, I hope it does still work ?
22:08 < rxr> hi daja77 
22:09 < tcr> rxr: #!$@
22:10 < tcr> I can't understand why it is still shift 
22:10 < tcr> or why it's still called Update-Src
22:10 < rxr> because you can not checkout svn or cvs into a directory without version control
22:11 < Mike1> hi rxr
22:11 < Mike1> moin all.
22:11 < rxr> this is why the old fallback rsync is used
22:11 < rxr> hi Mike1 
22:11 < tcr> or why it doesn't put anything on stdout that it's been became obsolete long ago
22:11 < tcr> rxr: well, let's start a technical discussion then
22:12 < tcr> My proposal/question: Is it possible to rsync from the http server that offers web access to the repository via webdav
22:12 < daja77> hi Mike1 :)
22:13 < rxr> nope - rsync deos speak rsync:// nothing else ...
22:14 < rxr> to get the stuff out of a http:// webdav:// you need s.th. else - maybe nowadays svn can do this with --force --really-overwrite-lingering-files or so ...
22:14 < tcr> rxr: really? I though rsync speaks http
22:14 < tcr> thought
22:14 < tcr> moin Mike1
22:20 < rxr> tcr: rsync is an own protocol
22:21 < rxr> I never saw it speaking http
22:21 < daja77> ack
22:21 < tcr> Well :)
22:23 < tcr> Aye, what I'm thinking of is more like a mixture between rsync and wget
22:24 < tcr> (I'm not saying that it can be emulated by using rsync and wget in combination, no, I'm speaking of a programm in between rsync and wget's functionality)
22:25 < tcr> rxr: Anyway
22:25 < tcr> rxr: I think it may be worth the effort adding a -dev option to Update-Src which fetches daily built snapshots out of the repository
22:27 < tcr> rxr: There two disadvantages on svn: a) it requires a "huge" tool (even though you're offering static linked versions), b) it doesn't work out of the box, when extracting a source tarball
22:27 < tcr> The second one is the striking one, imho
22:27 < daja77> tcr likes monologues
22:28 < tcr> No, I'm proposing something.
22:28 < tcr> Something whose lack is pissing me on
22:31 < daja77> hm?
22:31 < rxr> tcr: what daily build snapshot ?
22:32 < rxr> Update-Src already fetches a often synconized static version clifford's server is fetching from mine 
22:33 < tcr> #Q%!@, Hell... why didn't you say that before? :)
22:34 < tcr> rxr: So if I use Update-Src the chances aren't that bad, that I'm using an up to date version?
22:35 < rxr> yes
22:35 < rxr> I said this in the beginning ...
22:35 * daja77 goes to bed
22:35 < daja77> gn8 you all
22:35 < tcr> rxr: You did?
22:35 < tcr> gn8 rxr
22:35 < tcr> erm
22:35 < tcr> gn8 daja77 ;)
22:35 < rxr> maybe not clear enough ...
22:36 < rxr> cu daja77 
22:36 < tcr> rxr: I can't see where
22:36 < rxr> tcr: clifford's server synces often (I currently do not know how often exactly - I hope multiple times a day - but maybe just once ...
22:36 < rxr> )
22:37 < tcr> Anyway, I'll try out a checkout from svn server whether or not my b0rken Config and pkg selection is reproducable with it
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22:41 < scorpion> installing the rocklinux image stone can't find a shell script called stone_postinst.sh which is created by mod_install.sh what causes this problem?
22:41 < tcr> rxr: what was the best method to use svn again? (You did some benchmarks in the past)
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22:55 < rxr> tcr: svn:// is way faster
22:56 < tcr> yeah but there was something about svn. and svn2. iirc
22:56 < rxr> ah - read-only people should prefer svn2
22:56 < rxr> svn is my home box - fat server but slow DSL connection
22:56 < tcr> so svn://svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk ?
22:56 < rxr> svn2 is my university - 155Mbit connection but only a PII 450
22:56 < rxr> looks ok
22:57 < rxr> with svn2 the server CPU is the limitting factor ... :-(
22:57 < tcr> Can I use a 0.29 client?
22:57 < rxr> yes, should work
22:57 < tcr> oki
22:58 < rxr> the suversion people garantee svn:// protocol compatibility if the second version (29 vs 30 on the server) does not differ by mroe then 1
22:58 < rxr> as long as they are in the alpha phase (which should end soon ...)
22:58 < rxr> with 1.0 the svn:// procol will of course freeze ...
22:58 < tcr> They've been quite a long time in alpha :)
23:08 < rxr> yes - and more stable then other projects ...
23:09 < tcr> I personally don't consider something, which made huge, backward incompatible changes within one month (not sure about the exact time period), to be really stable :) 
23:10 < tcr> Anyway, don't let us argue... we all have stuff to do
23:20 < tcr> rxr: Well, I guess when choosing bootdisk as target distribution, there shouldn't be gnome24 or xfce4 stuff in  config/default/packages
23:22 < rxr> yes - but options with a leading O
23:22 < rxr> ok - well they should not be in the list at all ...
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23:24 < rxr> and it does work here: [ 96 active packages ]
23:25 < tcr> rxr: you're right they're listed with O
23:25 < tcr> Huh? I get 99 with grep ^X config/default/packages.txt | wc -l
23:26 < tcr> and with minimal pkg selection
23:29 < rxr> my number was for the bootdisk target on PowerPC ...
23:31 < tcr> rxr: Ok, I can reprocude some very very oddness with script/Config 
23:31 < tcr> I'll write them up and send a mail to the list
23:37 < rxr> oki
23:37 < rxr> news entry on the rl site posted
23:37 < rxr> good night
23:38 < tcr> gn8
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