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02:34 < mnemoc> re...
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02:59 < aPpYe> okay ... i have been playing with gentoo and source mage ... now i am gonna play with rock linux.  I notice that the install is gonna be a little harder?
02:59 < aPpYe> i see no "walkthrough" type info on the website.
03:00 < aPpYe> ah ... documentation
03:01 < mnemoc> remember that ROCKLinux is not a distribution
03:01 < aPpYe> it isn't?
03:01 < aPpYe> what is it then?
03:01 < mnemoc> it's a kit to build distributions
03:01 < aPpYe> sorry ... i just heard of rock linux a few days ago ... and i am about to play with it.
03:01 < mnemoc> read the rene's handbook
03:02 < aPpYe> hm... i may be getting in over my head ... not sure.  is there a decent package management system like Portage or Sorcery?
03:03 < aPpYe> or should i go back to some other distros and become a little less "green" with linux?  sorry if i am being too pushy.
03:03 < mnemoc> packages are almost compleltly updated
03:04 < aPpYe> well, i am reading the handbook stuff now, but what i was getting at was this:
03:04 < mnemoc> but is your responsability to keep your boxes with last  ones... RL's tools will really help you to do that
03:06 < aPpYe> does it have a package management system similar to portage, apt, or sorcery ... where say if i want to install something like mozilla-firebird, will it let me know about stuff like dependencies, and if so, will it automatically download and install those as well?
03:06 < aPpYe> you probably answer these questions all the time.
03:07 < mnemoc> each package includes  a generated file called '$pkg.cache' which includes all that info
03:08 < aPpYe> i see ... so are dependencies "automatically" handled like when using debian's apt or gentoo's portage?
03:09 < mnemoc> not like but... like... it's really hard to explain for me :(
03:09 < aPpYe> heh ...
03:09 < aPpYe> okay
03:09 < aPpYe> fair enough
03:09 < mnemoc> read the handbook... it can help you
03:10 < aPpYe> i will read through the manual stuff and then bug you for more questions.
03:10 < mnemoc> i'm pretty bad in english :\
03:10 < aPpYe> :)
03:10 < aPpYe> ah ... i understand
03:11 < mnemoc> btw, this channel is almost completly european, so try to ask in 'european day'
03:11 < aPpYe> okay, i will try back here later and while time passes, i will be reading the manual stuff.
03:11 < aPpYe> what time is it there?
03:11 < mnemoc> 5:20am  there
03:11 < aPpYe> okay ... so about 11 hours ahead of me.
03:12 < aPpYe> i will try back in a couple hours then!   thanks.   I am in California.
03:12 < mnemoc> when you end reading the handbook the channel will be full-alive :-)
03:13 < aPpYe> cool ... out of curiosity, what country are you in at the moment?
03:13 < mnemoc> .cl
03:13 < aPpYe> ?
03:13 < mnemoc> chile ;-)
03:14 < mnemoc> near argentina o_O
03:14 < aPpYe> lol
03:14 < aPpYe> that is south america
03:14 < mnemoc> YES
03:14 < mnemoc> but i'm the only one from that side of the world
03:14 < aPpYe> i thought you said it is 5:20 am where you are?  oh ... i get it.
03:15 < aPpYe> are there a lot of people who speak english, or are they going to be speaking something else?
03:15 < mnemoc> english is the offical language of ROCK
03:15 < aPpYe> i only know english and a tiny bit of spanish.
03:15 < aPpYe> cool
03:16 < mnemoc> most ppl is german or austrian
03:16 < mnemoc> but they speak english much better than me :)
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03:21 < aPpYe> to get an idea ... do you think I would have much of a problem building Rock Linux (complete with X-Windows, IceWm, and Mozilla-Firebird) without any complications on a laptop with Pentium200-mmx, 128mb RAM, and a 2GB Hard Drive?
03:21 < mnemoc> rock is : download -> desing -> build -> burn -> install
03:22 < aPpYe> desing?
03:22 < aPpYe> you mean design?
03:22 < mnemoc> yes :)
03:23 < mnemoc> the best is to build it in your best machine
03:24 < aPpYe> i see ... from the info i am gleaning from the manual, it sounds like i can actually design and build a system on one computer and then simply burn it to cd and transfer it to the other machine via an image created on a cd.
03:24 < mnemoc> you can have problems building a target with only 2GB of HD
03:24 < aPpYe> i see ... so i can build everything on one machine and then move the install over to another machine.  
03:25 < mnemoc> you need the 'host' machine, all the tarballs, the new system, space for created .gem files
03:25 < mnemoc> and space for the .iso file if you choose to create it
03:34 < mnemoc> i hope you got the crypted message (i call it english, but i know it isn't) i wrote here :|
03:36 < Mike1> Hola Alejandro
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03:38 < mnemoc> Buen dia Don Miguel
03:39 < mnemoc> como esta su primo chespirito?
03:48 < Mike1> no tambien como tu hermano el Botija :)
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03:52 < Mike1> www.hidrogeno.org/gallery/Linuxeras
03:57 < mnemoc> we need a couple of those on rock
03:57 < Mike1> we sure do :)
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06:31 < Mike1> *yawn*
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09:18 < blindcoder> moin moin
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09:30 < AOU> moin
09:34 < rxr> re
09:34 < rxr> moin AOU 
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09:40 < Mike1> moin.
09:40 < Mike1> AOU: omg what kind of a nick is that?
09:46 < AOU> hi rxr , Mike1 
09:46 < AOU> Mike1: AOU = asshole of universe
09:47 < rxr> owl - why can't you stay with one nick ?
09:47 < Mike1> AOU: ah ... interesting.. the onbly thing is that i consider you far from been as A$$h0l3..
09:47 < AOU> because i can't
09:47 < Mike1> hi rxr
09:48 < Mike1> rxr: seems like she is nick-aholic or something
09:48 < AOU> Mike1: depends on the point of view
09:48 < Mike1> AOU: and how many points of view should be to consider?
09:49 < cchamilt_> hi
09:49 < Mike1> cchamilt_: Good day :)
09:49 < AOU> dunno
09:50 < AOU> hrm. svn-server is dead?
09:50 < AOU> hi cchamilt_ 
09:51 < cchamilt_> rxr: Have you seen any problem with socklen_t not being found by curl?
09:52 < AOU> svn: Connection timed out
09:52 < AOU> svn: Can't connect to host 'schillernet.dyndns.org'
09:52 < rxr> cchamilt_: nope
09:52 < AOU> ?!?
09:53 < rxr> AOU: should work
09:53 < rxr> do you use http:// or svn:// ?
09:53 < AOU> svn://
09:54 < Mike1> AOU: try http://
09:55 < AOU> ok... works... thx
09:55 < rxr> but svn:// should work, too
09:56 < Mike1> rxr: perhaps it could be an internal problem on owl's box?
09:56 * Mike1 just started a new rock target... 
09:56 < Mike1> guess it will take me some months to complete it..
09:56 < blindcoder> which target?
09:56 < blindcoder> hi all! :)
09:56 < AOU> or with the network here... 
09:57 < Mike1> good day blindy. :)
09:57 < Mike1> blindcoder: selinux target ..
09:58 < cchamilt_> hi bc
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09:58 < AOU> hi blindy!
09:59 < blindcoder> hehe, I start to like BPS even more :D
09:59 < cchamilt_> rxr: The socklen_t problem is on one specific box.  I think socklen_t comes from headers borrowed from linux.  At least rebuilding glibc does not fix it, and their was light discussion on curl list that it is kernel related.
09:59 < Mike1> BPS?
09:59 < blindcoder> Battle Programmer Shirase :D
10:00 < Mike1> mm.. ok :)
10:00 < blindcoder> It's a funny little Anime about a "free programmer" :)
10:00 < Mike1> blindcoder: perhap you wanna share it with me? :)
10:01 < blindcoder> Mike1: Get yourself some BitTorrent ;P (just a momemnt)
10:01 < Mike1> blindcoder: i run BitTorrent since quite a while..
10:02 < cchamilt_> It sounds like 'master fisherman' or the anime about playing basketball or spinning tops in competition.  Or better yet the competitive cooking one.  
10:02 < cchamilt_> I like anime, and I dont mind meaningless drama, I just can't get behind 'silly' drama.
10:03 < blindcoder> cchamilt_: Beyblade? I never got myself around watching that one... and probably I never will...
10:03 < cchamilt_> Dont, they market it heavy here.  It is so crappy something to run from on saturday mornings.
10:03 < blindcoder> I completely get your point :)
10:04 < blindcoder> I don't know if it runs on TV here (due to lack of a TV), but I know that they're heavily marketing the Manga here
10:05 < blindcoder> but.... a competitive cooking anime? I remember that one episode in One Piece where there was one, but...
10:06 < cchamilt_> We have afternoons on subtitled stuff from AXN network (aussies) and then local networks for Saturday/Sunday mornings.  There are these great space girl ones with zero plot, but ...
10:07 < blindcoder> who needs a plot if you can send some cat-eared girl in a haevy mecha into space :P
10:07 < cchamilt_> Yes, I cant remember the cooking one's name, it is one that AXN shows.  I think before the basketball one.
10:07 < cchamilt_> yep
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10:08 < blindcoder> anyway, I'll get myself some breakfast now
10:09 < AOU> blindcoder: *kick* 
10:10 < blindcoder> *ouch*
10:10 < blindcoder> what was that for now? *cry*
10:10 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
10:10 < AOU> blindcoder: because you're eating. and i'm hungry. that's not fair :p
10:11 < blindcoder> MIKE! DON'T MESS UP ALL MY CONSOLES!
10:11 < blindcoder> AOU: get yourself some food :P
10:12 < AOU> blindcoder, Mike1: what are you doing?
10:12 < blindcoder> btw, breakfast = cup.makebig(coffee);
10:12 < AOU> blindcoder: i can't. i'm at work... 
10:12 < blindcoder> AOU: he's shouting >_< (via wall)
10:12 < AOU> ah so... *g*
10:12 < Mike1> blindcoder: i just messed one saying hello.. sorry :(
10:13 < blindcoder> Mike1: nothing resizing the xterm and back couldn't fix :P
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10:13 < Mike1> blindcoder: yeah sure but first you had to scream at me.. 
10:14 < AOU> O_o
10:14 < blindcoder> of course I had to :-)
10:14 < blindcoder> anyway, bbl
10:15 < Mike1> okis :)
10:17 < cchamilt_> OK I need general help here for the socket header thing:
10:17 < cchamilt_> I get the following from curl's config.log:
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10:18 < cchamilt_> configure:26025: conflicting types for `getpeername'
10:18 < cchamilt_> /usr/include/sys/socket.h:127: previous declaration of `getpeername'
10:19 < cchamilt_> The only things included were sys/types.h and sys/socket.h so were is this getpeername coming from?
10:23 < cchamilt_>  /usr/include/tcpd.h is the only other place getpeername is defined, and nothing in /usr/include includes it
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10:26 < rxr> re
10:26 < rxr> hi Baldzius 
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10:28 < rxr> hi kasc 
10:28 < cchamilt_> rxr: I am getting CPPFLAGS='yes/include  '  during curls build.
10:32 < cchamilt_> ugh - somehow the prefix is turned to yes I think!
10:32 < Baldzius> hello :)
10:34 < cchamilt_> hi baldzius
10:35 < Baldzius> this channel is very friendly :)
10:35 < Mike1> Baldzius: sure it is :)
10:36 * blindcoder back
10:36 < Mike1> wb bc
10:36 < blindcoder> thx
10:38 < cchamilt_> rxr: found the bug, not sure the reason yet.
10:42 < cchamilt_> rxr: Inside configure of curl: $OPT_ZLIB is being defined as 'yes'.  
10:56 < cchamilt_> rxr: It appears that curl does not have its configure setup for kerberos correctly.
10:57 < cchamilt_> So this whole thing is my problem I guess.
11:01 < cchamilt_> Damn it, curl requires a --with-gssapi with a value and makes no checks if it is empty. duh...
11:09 < AOU> hmm... when will rock-2.0.0-STABLE be released, btw?
11:10 < Mike1> someday.
11:10 < Mike1> ;-)
11:11 < Baldzius> :)
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11:12 < AOU> *cough*
11:12 < Baldzius> i have one stupid question: is there distcc support in rock?
11:12 < blindcoder> don't think so
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11:21 < rxr> Baldzius: but cluster support and ccache support
11:21 < rxr> you are free to add distcc support ...
11:23 < AOU> rxr: when will be there a stable version of rock?
11:24 < blindcoder> AOU: current svn is extremely stable
11:25 < AOU> ok... just the fact that i don#t want to do a fork before it is stable-released... (but first i need a new system for my notebook)
11:25 < blindcoder> stupid as always...
11:25 < AOU> why stupid?!
11:26 * Mike1 can't wait to see this fork :)
11:26 < blindcoder> if you don't know, then even more so
11:26 < AOU> blindcoder: no. explain me... is it because i don't want to use rock?
11:27 < blindcoder> well.. I've rarely seen someone as stupid as announcing a fork of project X in project X's communication channel
11:28 < AOU> haha. that's my problem, not yours, isn't it?
11:28 < blindcoder> like I said. stupid
11:28 * Mike1 sits and enjoys the show.. daja77 if you just were here :)
11:28 < AOU> nope. not stupid
11:29 < Mike1> AOU: If i asked to you, what does a fork mean, what would you answer?
11:29 < Baldzius> :)
11:29 < AOU> Mike1: *kick*
11:29 < blindcoder> *lol*
11:29 < Mike1> AOU: i am serious.
11:29 < blindcoder> baaaakaaaaa :D
11:30 < AOU> Mike1: a) i don't see any reason to answer. b) i can't explain it in english
11:31 < blindcoder> AOU: explain in german, I'll transalte
11:31 < AOU> blindcoder: a)
11:31 < esden> good morning everyone
11:31 < AOU> hi esden ! *hug*
11:31 < blindcoder> AOU: so you just admit defeat?
11:31 < blindcoder> moin esden
11:32 < Mike1> AOU: yeah say it in german.. i can nearly understand 60 - 65% of whaat you will say i guess :), and regarding a.. guess the reason is because you don't have a damn clue of what a fork is..
11:32 < AOU> that's not true
11:32 < Mike1> esden: wow great to see you after all this time :)
11:32 < esden> hehe ... Mike1 my visits here will stay rare ... sadly
11:32 < blindcoder> AOU: you're avoiding the question
11:33 < esden> nice to se you too Mike1 
11:33 < AOU> blindcoder: i'm not willed to answer (guess we already had the topic some month ago, too)
11:34 < Mike1> AOU: so please i encourage you prove us wrong and let us know your answer. :)
11:34 < blindcoder> AOU: yes. You avoid all questions about something you have no clue about with a "I don't have to answer"
11:34 < blindcoder> true, we had that one already
11:34 < esden> ahh owl is willing to fork rock?
11:34 < AOU> blindcoder: aha? you know me better than i know me. interesting. 
11:35 < blindcoder> AOU: that's usually the case
11:35 < AOU> usually != everytime
11:35 < Mike1> AOU: my comment as a friend.. really it is ok to admit it when you don't know about something, no need to avoid stuff, is not like rockers know everything
11:35 < Mike1> esden: mm.. it sucks .. you are no longer around enough..
11:36 < Mike1> esden: i tried been nice with blindcoder as you are not too much around for just normal chatting, but he just screamed at me.. so it sux
11:36 < Mike1> blindcoder: can be mean sometimes :(
11:36 < Mike1> jk :P
11:37 < AOU> *gnarf* 
11:37 < esden> uh oh ... I have to take a chat with blindcoder ;)
11:37 < AOU> denglish docu in our product :-(
11:38 < esden> Mike1: sorry ... but my schedule is really full ... and I have now a project that has a higher priority then rock
11:38 < Mike1> esden: mm.. a chick huh? :)
11:38 < esden> no ... my bachelor thesis
11:38 < Mike1> yeah i know :)
11:38 < esden> ;)
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11:39 < Mike1> esden: how much longer will you be away from us?
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11:39 < blindcod1r> something messed up with my machine...
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11:40 < esden> Mike1: probably something about two years :(
11:40 < Mike1> WHAT!!???
11:40 < esden> but I will still follow mailinglist ... come around in channel and come to the meetings
11:40 < AOU> haeh?! wtf are you doing, esden ?
11:41 < Mike1> 2 years is just too much!
11:41 < esden> and perhups do smaller patches for rock when I find some spare minutes
11:41 < esden> but no bigger projects
11:41 < Mike1> damn esden :(
11:41 < blindcoder> and there people wonder why I don't go to university...
11:41 < esden> Mike1: that is life ... I have to take care of my future ;)
11:42 < esden> blindcoder: :P
11:42 < Mike1> blindcoder: thats wasn't it because classes weren't in jap and there were not books with manga?
11:43 < blindcoder> Mike1: pssssssssst, don't shout it out to everyone!
11:43 < Mike1> esden: I understand, i just can say that i wish the best in this new project, and that as always you have a friend here in CR supporting you :)
11:43 < Mike1> blindcoder: oopps sorry didn't knew it was that secret :)
11:44 < AOU> scheisse.
11:44 < Mike1> AOU: hungry?
11:45 < AOU> no. my co-worker listens to music which sounds like "music for children"... heeeeelp!
11:45 < Mike1> cool! as him if he's got some muppets stuff :)
11:46 < AOU> *g*
11:48 < AOU> "halleluja" in a song?!!!! WAAAAAAAAH!
11:49 < Mike1> awesome!!!!!!!!!!! :)
11:50 < esden> Mike1: thank you Mike1!!!
11:50 < AOU> Mike1: not really.... 
11:50 < Mike1> no need to thank me esden :)
11:51 < Mike1> AOU: would you prefer some brittney spears "music" ?
11:51 < esden> ahh di.fm rulez! ;)
11:51 < esden> deep house stream!
11:51 < AOU> Mike1: *kick*
11:51 < esden> that is music
11:52 < Mike1> hehehe
11:53 < Mike1> urrgss so fscking cold out there.. i need my megatokyo blanket
11:53 < AOU> esden: "pah, bist doch nur neidisch" ;p
11:55 < blindcoder> WEE!
11:55 < blindcoder> More Trolling in dasr!
11:55 < blindcoder> I know why I love that newsgroup :D
11:57 < esden> grr I need ext2resize ... in which packet is it?!?!
11:57 < blindcoder> none
11:58 < blindcoder> btw. If yu want to resize an ext3-partition you have to disable the Journal first using tune2fs
11:58 < blindcoder> s/partition/filesystem
12:00 < esden> aha ok
12:00 < blindcoder> and reactivate it afterwards, of course
12:01 < esden> yes sure
12:01 < blindcoder> I think I'll take a shower now and go to bitz then...
12:01 < blindcoder> hmhm, sounds good
12:01 < blindcoder> bye!
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12:11 < Mike1> hi alanw
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12:13 < AOU> hi alanw , trekkie3k 
12:14 < trekkie3k> hi
12:15 < alanw> hi folks
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12:44 < daja77> hi all
12:51 < Mike1> hi daja77!!!!!!
12:51 < daja77> hey Mike1, i see i missed the show :)
12:51 < Mike1> yeah :(
12:52 < Mike1> though there were not real swear words or decapitations..
12:52 < daja77> but i have backlog
12:52 < daja77> yeah so not that much fun ^^
12:52 < Mike1> yeah.. still read backlog it will be fun :)
12:53 < daja77> it is
12:53 < daja77> execpt for esden bein away
12:53 < Mike1> its been a while since we don't get decent entertainment here.. right Baldzius ?
12:53 < Mike1> oh yeah esden's notice sux the big time..
12:55 < daja77> well why you need a seperate target for selinux?
12:56 < Mike1> because it uses a whole different kernel cfg, plus other patches, and uses severl other taches that will not really be wanted by everyone on generic or desktop
12:57 < Mike1> even though i will try to do something like what esden did with dietlibc target so selinux target can be used along with other normal targets.
12:57 < daja77> hmm pretty much the same like rt stuff, still doesn't require a target of its own imo
12:57 < daja77> toggling se stuff from config + seperate packages selection should do the trick
12:58 < Mike1> maybe you want to elaborate :)
12:58 < daja77> extending rock has never been so easy :))
12:58 * Mike1 has been away for long..
12:58 < daja77> ic, that's why I am telling you
12:59 < Mike1> so i am asking.. what do you suggest in sead of a target?
12:59 * blindcoder back
13:00 < daja77> doin a switch in Config which adds the required patches when toggled and creating a suitable package selection template for it
13:00 < Mike1> mm.. i see
13:00 < daja77> just like i did with rtai stuff (ignore the fact that it is not working in trunk for awhile ^^)
13:00 < Mike1> is this the way youve made rt?
13:00 < daja77> yes
13:01 < Mike1> can i possible see some of your work to ilustrate my self?
13:01 < daja77> it is in trunk
13:01 < Mike1> mm.. ok :)
13:01 < daja77> of course you can have a look at it
13:01 < Mike1> will check thanks.
13:01 < daja77> :)
13:01 < daja77> np
13:01 < Mike1> no i will be off for a bit so i can have breakfast :)
13:01 * daja77 too
13:01 < daja77> cu
13:05 < AOU> hmm. someone uses intel's c++ compiler 7.1?
13:06 < rxr> nope
13:08 < AOU> :-(
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13:48 < rxr> any votes to which mozilla package to update ?
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13:50 < rxr> 1.5 ?
13:54 < rxr> ok - 1.5
14:04 < rxr> re
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14:11 < rxr> hi hannes 
14:11 < daja77> hi rxr
14:11 < rxr> hi daja77 
14:11 < hannes> rehi
14:20 < rxr> open W-Lans are really cool
14:22 < blindcoder> rxr: found one?
14:26 < daja77> rxr: enjoy!
14:27 < daja77> he opened one ^^
14:28 < blindcoder> hmm...
14:28 < blindcoder> We have a Cafe here with WLan and Internet Access for free as long as you stay there :)
14:29 < blindcoder> the first one in all Bavaria :)
14:29 < rxr> blindcoder: I have two here - one in one room - and another in the kitchen
14:29 < rxr> but the one in the kitchen sucks - it has no statefull firewall - but disableds all but http and ftp ...
14:30 < blindcoder> why two?
14:30 < rxr> an the kitchen one also is ass slow (like ISDN)
14:30 < blindcoder> d'ouh
14:30 < rxr> blindcoder: because too many people have not closed the AP correctly ...
14:30 < rxr>  ;-)#
14:30 < blindcoder> nice :)
14:31 < rxr> but the kitchen one does has two old redhat boxes in the net , which could easily be exploited (e.g. openssh) and the firewall adapted to my needs
14:31 < rxr> but I'm not a cracker ... ;-)
14:31 < blindcoder> I'm still thinking about installingc WLan at home 
14:31 < blindcoder> parents would pay for equipment
14:31 < rxr> maybe I should send him a mail and ask to help to setup a more useful firewall - and maybe update his really old redhat boxes with w.th. more up-to-date ...
14:32 < blindcoder> rxr: sounds like work...
14:32 < rxr> sending him my easy-firewall (tm) script is not much work ...
14:33 < rxr> and if I could ssh in the kitchen ;-)
14:33 < rolla> re
14:33 < AOU> blindcoder: why not buying it, then?
14:33 < blindcoder> rxr: true...
14:33 < rxr> buying what ?
14:33 < blindcoder> AOU: because I'm a lazy bum and don't want to spend days securing the WLAN
14:33 < rxr> ah - not me :-( puh
14:34 < AOU> O_o 
14:34 < AOU> blindcoder: buy it and give it to me ;p
14:34 < blindcoder> rxr: my parents would pay for a WLAN at home
14:34 < rxr> blindcoder: securing is wasy
14:34 < rxr> 1st: change the admin password
14:34 < blindcoder> AOU: that would be pointless. Nothing would be left for me :P
14:35 < rxr> 2nd: encrypt
14:35 < rxr> 3rd: filter by MAC address
14:35 < rxr> and this is quite un-easy to open
14:35 < rxr> if you need s.th. more secure (e.g. company)
14:35 < blindcoder> hmm... true...
14:35 < rxr> 4th: setup ipsec
14:35 < AOU> blindcoder: hehe. bad luck ;p
14:36 < rxr> both APs are not encrypted - and only one filtered the MAC ...
14:36 < rxr> but this is not hard to "make work"
14:36 < blindcoder> hehe
14:37 < blindcoder> well, maybe I'll give it a try.... but I still need a laptop then >_<
14:37 < blindcoder> *argh* not enough money >_<
14:38 < AOU> hihi. i could sell you HD and ram... but no notebook ;p
14:38 < blindcoder> AOU: will it fit into my years-old SCENIC Mobile 310 CS?
14:38 < daja77> blindy's rock solid notebook :)
14:38 < AOU> dunno?
14:39 < AOU> see bingo.markt.verschiedenes...
14:39 < blindcoder> AOU: well, there are no images, so I couldn't tell
14:40 < AOU> hoeh? 
14:40 < AOU> ATAPI/IDE... 2.5 "... about 1 cm "fat"
14:40 < blindcoder> well, the HD would probably fit
14:40 < blindcoder> but the RAM...
14:41 < AOU> hmmm... want the HD?
14:42 < blindcoder> would have to test if it brings me some performance
14:42 < blindcoder> my 2GB HD is still 50% free
14:42 < AOU> jup... and the price would be ok for you?
14:43 < blindcoder> how much
14:43 < blindcoder> haven't got the price by heart
14:58 < daja77> btw http://www.fefe.de/linuxtag2003/linuxtag.txt
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15:27 < pieass> hi
15:27 < blindcoder> hi
15:30 < AOU> hi pieass 
15:34 < rxr> hi pieass 
15:34 < cchamilt_> ehm hello
15:35 < pieass> hi owl, rxr, cchamilt
15:35 < pieass> +blindcoder
15:35 < cchamilt_> I have dump failing in bootdisk target missing -ltermcap in stage 5.
15:39 < cchamilt_> xfsprogs is also failing as libuuid.a in not inside /lib
15:40 < cchamilt_> It appears this /lib to /usr/lib thing is not such a good thing to do in RC stage.
15:42 < pieass> btw.. is ROCK ready to use, now?
15:43 < rxr> sure
15:43 < rxr> the easiest is to download precompiled ISO images ...
15:43 < pieass> should i put ROCK on my laptop?
15:44 < cchamilt_> Hmm, fix dump or fix ncurses...
15:44 < rxr> pieass: why not ?
15:45 < pieass> rxr: i don't have flat or broadband, is there a shop where i can buy cds?
15:48 < AOU> pieass: optimized for?
15:49 < pieass> uhmn.. the laptop is pentium 2
15:49 < pieass> but i maybe i will put ROCK on the router, too.
15:50 < rxr> pieass: I (www.rocklinux-consulting.de) plan to ship CDs ...
15:50 < rxr> if you can wait some days / weeks I can ship them ...
15:51 < rxr> what prics would be ok for you? 10-20 EUR ?
15:51 < pieass> how many cds?
15:52 < SMP> cchamilt_: things don't suddenly become near-release quality just by declaring'RC stage' ;)
15:53 < pieass> rxr: i think 5 EUR / cd is good, but i don't know if it would be profitable to you
15:53 < cchamilt_> Should the ncurses .a's stay in /lib?  And if so, why is dump finding it in config, and then failing to link in compile?
15:53 < rxr> pieass: the desktop build are 2 full CDs and 200MB or so on the 3rd (for x86) - for PowerPC a desktop build are 3 full CDs ...
15:54 < pieass> what exactly means "desktop"?
15:55 < rxr> pieass: we have several build targets - which can perform many modifications on the build process
15:56 < rxr> like a server, router, desktop, ... target ...
15:56 < cchamilt_> rxr: Should the link for /lib/libtermcap.a go to /usr/lib/libtermcap.a of should it ust be corrected to point at /usr/lib/libncurses.a?
15:56 < rxr> cchamilt_: I need to take a look later ...
15:56 < rxr> pieass: http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
15:57 < pieass> thx
15:57 < rxr> and maybe this is where you could take a look soon:
15:57 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/drock/
15:58 < cchamilt_> rxr: OK, dump and xfsprogs (it needs to point to /usr/lib/libuuid.a) will wait. :)
15:59 < SMP> xfsprogs should use the shared uuid lib
16:00 < cchamilt_> smp: Only reporting.  I can say that heimdal and evms seem ready to send as a patch.
16:04 < pieass> can i install ROCK from diskette over network? the laptop has no cd-rom.
16:06 < pieass> <- idiot.
16:06 < pieass> i should better read the whole rock-handbook
16:14 < rxr> ;-)
16:14 < rxr> the install section is a bit tight - I plan to work the section out in more detail for some weeks now - but have not yet found the time - but it will be done soon
16:27 < rxr> svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de functional again ...
16:28 < rxr> I'm "shortly" off-line (with the iBook in the kitchen - cu)
16:28 < pieass> cu
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16:39 < daja77> oh pieass here
16:39 < pieass> du kennst mich noch?
16:41 < daja77> yep
16:41 < pieass> wow :)
16:41 * daja77 has an elephant brain 11
16:41 < daja77> ^^
16:42 < pieass> yeah
16:42 < AOU> O_o
16:50 * daja77 off to unix meeting and seeing his girl afterwards
16:50 < AOU> daja77: have fun. bye
16:51 * pieass being jealous
16:51 < pieass> have fun, daja :)
16:51 < AOU> true: *kick*
16:51 < true> AOU: *rekick*
16:51 < pieass> .oO( girlfriend )
16:52 < blindcoder> women *sigh*
16:52 < AOU> men...
16:53 < blindcoder> :P
16:53 < pieass> ?
16:53 < blindcoder> sorry for being alive
16:53 < AOU> blindcoder: *kick* i didn't mean it in this way
17:00 < pieass> my computer sience teacher says, i must emulate Windows' Notepad to edit turbo pascal programs, because i don't have windows.
17:01 < blindcoder> ehm... I call the notepad emulator "vim"
17:01 < AOU> pieass: pardon, _what_?! *roflmao*
17:01 < pieass> yes... she doesn't even know about other editors...
17:02 < AOU> muahaha
17:04 < pieass> she said we can use notepad to edit the program. i jokingly said, i don't have notepad installed, so she gave me the hot tip to emulate it.
17:05 < blindcoder> edit it via cat and sed :D
17:05 < AOU> hihi. kewl. 
17:05 < pieass> she also told us to buy turbo pascal from borland..
17:06 < AOU> /mnt/hda6/rock-build/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 908: /tmp/sh-np-2077230694: Interrupted system call 
17:06 < AOU> ^^ means?
17:07 < AOU> what is broken here?
17:10 < clifford> AOU: Hmmm... that is new.  ;-)
17:11 < clifford> Are you building on a ROCK system or something else?
17:11 < AOU> clifford: debian
17:11 < AOU> hi btw
17:11 < AOU> and: i remember that i already had a problem like this... but can't remember how to fix it
17:12 < clifford> running a vannilia kernel?
17:12 < clifford> running debians bash or a self-built one?
17:12 < AOU> clifford: vanilla, self-build
17:13 < clifford> hm...
17:14 < clifford> "line 908" .. current svn?
17:14 < AOU> yep. checked out today
17:15 * clifford running svn up ...
17:17 < AOU> clifford: how are you? everything ok?
17:19 < clifford> yup - I'm fine. Had a flue this weekend - so I built a new brainf*ck cpu ... ;-)
17:19 < AOU> O_o brainf*ck cpu???
17:19 < pieass> a brainfuck cpu? o_O
17:19 < clifford> http://www.clifford.at/priv/bfcpu-0.09.tar.gz
17:20 < clifford> running at 48MHz on a Spartan-IIE
17:20 < clifford> the CPU could be faster but the block ram on the chip is so slow.
17:20 < pieass> omfg
17:22 < clifford> Since this weekend it's an "architecture" with two cpus.
17:22 < clifford> the cw6670 and the cw6671.
17:22 < clifford> the cw6671 has a 1 byte internal cache which almost doubles the performance.
17:22 < clifford> in bf code you useually have large sequences of ++++++++ or ----------
17:23 < clifford> each + or - is 3 cpu cycles in the cw6670: load instruction, load old value, store new value
17:23 < clifford> in the cw6671 there is only one load old value in the beginning and a store new value at the end.
17:24 < clifford> also the memory initialiyzation is now done on-the-fly whenever a new memory region is reached.
17:25 < clifford> the cw6670 is zero-initializating the whole ram after power-on, which is pretty slow with huge memory even when running just a small app.. ;-)
17:26 < clifford> (the source archive also contains the bios and a benchmark - both written in brainf*ck)
17:28 < clifford> still there boys and girls ??   ;-)
17:28 < SMP> of course :)
17:28 < AOU> yeah.
17:28 < AOU> nc. 
17:29 < SMP> what good is a BIOS if you can't make function calls?
17:31 < clifford> the BIOS is just a program loader.
17:31 < pieass> is the bios's only function printing BF-CPU on the screen?
17:31 < clifford> the importand part of it is this code: ,[>,]>
17:32 * SMP can't memorize the mnonics
17:32 < clifford> the data-pointer is initialized to point to the memory address directly after the bios code.
17:32 < clifford> so this reads in a brainfuck program from the user and then "runs into it" when the bios has finished.
17:33 < pieass> ah..
17:36 < clifford> SMP: +- = increment and decrement *p, >< = inc. and dec. p, . = putchar(*p), , = *p=getch(), [ = while (*p) {, ] = }
17:37 < clifford> p beeing defined as char *p = calloc(size_of_bf_memory)
17:38 < pieass> i think that's crazy
17:39 < esden> hi clifford ... it would be really nice if you would create a real touring machine ... that would be very usefull for the complexity theory guys  
17:40 < SMP> yes, it would also solve all problems about data storage for mankind :>
17:40 < esden> SMP: hehe ;)
17:41 < clifford> SMP: *rotfl*
17:43 < pieass> bye
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17:44 < clifford> AOU: is the Build-Pkg problem reproduceable ?
17:45 < AOU> clifford: dunno. had it 2 times on this machine... will play a bit with it, in train...
17:46 < clifford> ok.
17:47 * clifford has to go to the cngw meeting presenting his brainf*ck cpu core and preparing some 20c3 stuff now ..
17:47 < AOU> bye clifford 
17:47 < clifford> bye. afk.
17:52 < AOU> <- off (train)
17:52 < AOU> bbl
17:54 < esden> nice ... my theoretic informatics professor is very interested in bf ;)
17:57 < rxr> re
18:01 < rxr> AOU: probably your bash it out of date
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18:03 < rxr> hi scoopex 
18:09 < esden> humm ... bf is touring-complete
18:09 < esden> interesting
18:10 < esden> now it would be nice to have a algorithm to transform the transformations that are normally used to describe touring machine behaviour to the bf loop description
18:13 < rolla> yawn
18:13 < rxr> would it make sence to add Mozilla Firebird into ROCK Linux ?
18:14 < rolla> yes
18:18 < rxr> do you already use firebird ?
18:19 < rolla> yes
18:19 < rolla> .7
18:20 < rxr> linux or windows?
18:20 < rolla> wha
18:20 < rolla> I never use windows
18:20 < rxr> ;-)
18:20 * rolla feels insulted
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18:21 < rxr> rolla: btw: Do you use ROCK in your company ?
18:22 < rolla> in a couple of places yes
18:22 < rolla> but mostly Solaris
18:22 < rolla> They are talking about devloping our software for linux 
18:22 < rolla> but that will be either redhat or suse
18:44 < rxr> you use ROCK Linux to build packages on solaris ?
18:45 < rolla> nope
18:45 < rolla> solaris is used for SAP
18:50 < rxr> ok
18:51 < rxr> rolla: may I ask what versions of ROCK are currently in use?
19:05 < rolla> old
19:05 < rolla> :)
19:05 < rolla> 1.5.17
19:09 < rxr> oh - ah
19:09 < rolla> yeah I have not had time to run new builds
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19:10 < rolla> I need to do that just have not had time to start the download 
19:19 < rolla> s/si/so/
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20:09 < cytrinox`-> moin
20:18 < scoopex> rxr: hi :-)
20:23 < rxr> hi scoopex 
20:28 < scoopex> whats up ?
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20:42 < rolla> == 13:40:50 =[0]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2.3 2.0.0-rc1].
20:42 < rolla> wow the first build in months for me ;)
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21:01 < tcr> moin all
21:17 < AOU> moin tcr 
21:20 < AOU> true: *kick*
21:26 < true> AOU: why are u kicking me? :p
21:26 < AOU> true: because of the ".3"-story
21:27 < true> AOU: *har* 
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21:37 < elon> hi
21:38 < elon> can anyuone tell me why the kernel includes arent installed in the latest release of rock ?
21:46 < rxr> elon: what kernel includes ?
21:46 < rxr> usr/include/{linux,asm,...) ?
21:46 < rxr> hm } even ...
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22:00 < elon> /usr/src/linux/include
22:01 < elon> the complete directory lacks
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22:48 < rxr> elon: which exact version?
22:48 < rxr> 2.0.0-rc1 or a SVN build ?
22:58 < elon> 2.0.0-rc1
23:00 < rxr> elon ok - I track this
23:09 < elon> tnx brb
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23:23 < rxr> rehi elon 
23:24 < elon> hi rxr
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23:44 < rxr> hi martman 
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23:45 < rxr> hm - short visit ...
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23:47 < martman> has anyone gotten rock(a base only one) to compile under cygwin and gcc?
23:49 < rxr> puh - I think not many tried s.th. like this
23:49 < rxr> I heared esden wanted to try this ...
23:50 < rxr> for what do you need this - and does a linux kernel build in cygwin ?
23:50 < martman> im going to be xp only for a few days on my desktop, really dont want to compile on anything else
23:50 < martman> im not sure about the kernel
23:54 < martman> is there a good rock linux forum i could ask at?
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