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08:37 < netrunner> moin
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08:37 < cchamilt_> hello
08:38 < cchamilt_> My kde panels just died.
08:38  * netrunner hates monday morning. today is monday isn't it?
08:38 < netrunner> cchamilt_: burry them and switch do xfce :)
08:38 < cchamilt_> not where I am.
08:38 < cchamilt_> isnt that a cde clone?
08:39 < cchamilt_> I have never seen a working cde system, though I have used quite a few solaris boxes...
08:42 < netrunner> cchamilt_: fortunately most solaris boxes also have fvwm2 :)
08:44 < cchamilt_> no, sorry that was a joke hard to follow.  I meant cde might be OK on linux, but sun has never had it set it up right.
08:46 < netrunner> ah, that's to early today :)
08:47 < cchamilt_> fvwm2 is not that bad.  I remember hacking on getting earthsim and snow working together.
08:48 < cchamilt_> All your options at the right click of a mouse.
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09:06 < scythe_> good morning
09:07 < Mike1> hello scythe_ und netrunner
09:08 < scythe_> open rock, ey?
09:10 < cchamilt_> hello scythe and ? what are you asking about rock?
09:11 < scythe_> hi - just read clifford's email about the name change
09:12 < cchamilt_> interesting.  need to be able to read mail.
09:12 < cchamilt_> my email server is dead right now
09:13 < scythe_> clifford wrote about future plans of rock
09:14 < netrunner> please not yet another open something. that name tastes like old chewing gum.
09:14 < netrunner> why not 'The ROCK Machine'
09:14 < scythe_> he wrote that maybe a name change will be needed, when the porting of rock will be started to hurd and openbsd
09:15 < netrunner> or call it a 'ROCK box' as in black box ... put your config in and your dist comes out.
09:15 < cchamilt_> I am in favor of losing the 'rock' myself.
09:15 < scythe_> and *anything* sounds better than "YetAnotherLinux"
09:15 < netrunner> cchamilt_: rock is cool. 
09:15  * netrunner needs to go to uni
09:16 < cchamilt_> yep, except it has no way of making a good logo.  and makes me think of lame glam rock&roll.
09:17 < cchamilt_> we are the bon jovi of linuxes.
09:17 < scythe_> cchamilt: i like the name, but accept the need for a better logo
09:17 < scythe_> and dont think bon jovi, think queen and black sabbath ;-)
09:18 < cchamilt_> i am a cowboy and on a steel horse i ride.
09:18 < scythe_> steel penguin
09:18 < cchamilt_> do we ride or wrangle penguins?
09:19 < scythe_> let's forget this cowboy thing, shall we? :-)
09:19 < cchamilt_> i am a penguinboy.
09:20 < cchamilt_> ok, but rock as in referring to rock&roll is very cliche and past 'pop' influence.  Nowadays music is always subclassified.
09:21 < cchamilt_> and even 'alternative linux' would be lame.
09:21 < scythe_> may be true. let start thiniking of car types ;-)
09:21 < cchamilt_> edsel
09:22 < cchamilt_> sorry i just love being a jerk when there is a chance.
09:22 < cchamilt_> suv linux.
09:22 < cchamilt_> diesel linux
09:23 < scythe_> i like porsches...
09:23 < cchamilt_> sports utility linuc
09:23 < cchamilt_> i like brewnix
09:23 < scythe_> suspensor?
09:24 < cchamilt_> explain suspensr please
09:24 < scythe_> call it "not yet another linux, but a distro build kit, and open"...
09:25 < cchamilt_> pick-nix
09:25 < scythe_> suspensor - i dont know the proper word, in hungarian it is called suspensor - a shielding for your balls :))
09:25 < cchamilt_> nyalbddk&o
09:26 < cchamilt_> the joque strappe
09:26 < scythe_> (brain storming can be fun)
09:28 < cchamilt_> I really hope we can drop rock.  Or at least not be 'open rock' as if there was a 'closed rock'
09:28 < cchamilt_> clifford seems to have problems naming things.
09:29 < scythe_> it's not the name that matters - the PR managers will do that.
09:29 < cchamilt_> yes and we have many of those...
09:30 < scythe_> at the marketing diversion, dont we?
09:30 < cchamilt_> jocelyn and i spent hours trying to come up with a way to 'market' rock. it was not good.
09:31 < cchamilt_> marketing diversions might help :)
09:31 < scythe_> marketing4linux is suse's own package i think...
09:31 < scythe_> :))
09:32 < cchamilt_> We could slip cds of rock into peoples bags while they look at the bunnies.  We tried that around 1.5 here in Singapore.  Nothing came from it.
09:33 < scythe_> give free beer with rock
09:33 < cchamilt_> People don't understand free and no commitment.  They think there is no one willing to give things away and actually promote them.
09:33 < scythe_> maybe rock really in need of a better name and logo
09:34 < scythe_> but i still think that rock is too complicated for a newbie linux user
09:34 < cchamilt_> free beer in singapore is even more confusing.  Hardly anyone realizes that it is free in Singapore when someone hires breworks(a local microbrewer).
09:35 < cchamilt_> well that can be fixed.  I mean a binary version is as easy as debian right now.
09:35 < scythe_> -dont take that free berr thing serious, the idea came from "married with children"...
09:35 < scythe_> and a gui setup would also help
09:35 < scythe_> like yast2 or in uhu-linux
09:35 < cchamilt_> Yes, but just pointing out that people are always suspicious of 'free'
09:36 < cchamilt_> they dont realize were all happy commies
09:37 < scythe_> than start asking money for binary releases - that should make us millions :)))
09:37 < cchamilt_> Do you think xdialod would be enough of graphics?  I was thinking of porting stone to html and then load gecko as the installer.
09:37 < cchamilt_> xdialogue that is
09:38 < scythe_> i dont know much about guis
09:38 < scythe_> i saw only yast2 but i dont know it
09:38 < cchamilt_> mscsoftware used to have a webmin based installer that was pretty good.
09:38 < cchamilt_> html means remote installs are possible.
09:39 < scythe_> important: remote installs need to be possible
09:39 < cchamilt_> Why and when that would be needed, I dont know.  However it seems like a selling point we can state.
09:39 < scythe_> for zseries - you can not install from local
09:39 < scythe_> everything you have locally is a dumb terminal
09:39 < cchamilt_> well rock always supports serial consoles now by being dialog based.
09:40 < scythe_> no serial port on zseires
09:40 < scythe_> only tcpip is good
09:40 < scythe_> this is the way suse , redhat and debian installs to z
09:40 < daja77> moin
09:40 < scythe_> hi daja77
09:41 < scythe_> so remote installs must bu possible
09:41 < SMP> morning
09:41 < scythe_> (bu=be)
09:41 < daja77> hi scythe & cchamilt_ 
09:41 < SMP> hi scythe_ 
09:41  * scythe_ hi SMP
09:41 < cchamilt_> hi daja and smp
09:41 < daja77> hi SMP 
09:42 < cchamilt_> Well how does it do console over tcp - do they run telnet on their install cds?
09:42 < scythe_> no cds either - only tapes:) and yes, telnet.
09:42 < Mike1> moin SMP
09:42 < daja77> hey Mike1 
09:42 < Mike1> daja77: !
09:42 < Mike1> :)
09:43 < cchamilt_> interesting...  we could make a telnet serving bootdisk pretty easily.
09:43 < scythe_> im planning it
09:43 < scythe_> will be needed for at least z
09:43  * SMP used to boot his SGI with telnetd as init ;-O
09:43 < cchamilt_> dhcp based network I assume.
09:43  * Mike1 planning to go parting tonight.. are you comming?
09:44 < scythe_> not a must, but can be
09:44 < scythe_> (i mean 4 dhcp)
09:44 < daja77> Mike1: I was at a party yesterday ^^
09:45 < cchamilt_> hmm sounds really doable.  dhcp and telnet - otherwise I am not sure how to setup the network for the boot disk.
09:45 < Mike1> another one won't hurt..
09:45 < scythe_> on the dump term you can answer questions
09:45 < scythe_> dumb
09:45 < scythe_> i can send u deb's setup scripts
09:45 < cchamilt_> terminal doesn't support curses?
09:46 < scythe_> or download from debian.org/s390/bootdisk
09:46 < daja77> maybe but yesterday's party featured someone special ^^
09:46 < SMP> dumb term? the zSeries I saw hat an OS/2 box built in :)
09:46 < cchamilt_> nah no nope got plenty of theoretical work for myself now. sorry :)
09:46 < scythe_> no curses: *line* based really dumb terminal
09:46 < scythe_> SMP: that's not an OS/2 box, trhat's th4e SE
09:47 < scythe_> SE means Support Elemnt, that is the BIOS setup for z
09:47 < scythe_> and that runs the dumb term in a window
09:47 < cchamilt_> what a beast.
09:47 < SMP> a window on the OS/2?
09:47 < scythe_> yes, that's correct
09:48 < scythe_> it's is called HMC - Harware Management Console
09:48 < scythe_> and it can only give a line based dumb terminal
09:48 < cchamilt_> anyway, I guess we could make a flat cli based install as well, but telnet does sound good.  For dhcp and telnet, all you need is to modify linuxrc.sh to launch them with error checking.
09:48 < SMP> ah, I only remember a GUI to mess with VMs and DASDs and whatnot
09:49 < scythe_> thats HMC main function - defining Hardware Configuration for lpars
09:49 < scythe_> Lpars as Logical Partitions, for running multiple oses on 1 or more CPU's simultan.
09:50 < scythe_> VM's needs another stand alone software
09:51 < scythe_> on 1 box u can run 15 lpars and u can run virtually an unlimited number of VM's in one lpar running VM software
09:51 < scythe_> thalia ISP does this
09:51 < SMP> Tlia
09:51 < SMP> eh
09:51 < SMP> Telia
09:51 < scythe_> sorry
09:57 < scythe_> btw SMP: sorry for delaying the 390 port, but i have more work - not connected with linux - that i can do, so i have little time - but im doing it as i can. The good news that apollo is now runnig on it's dedicated ifl (linux cpu), so the builds are much faster now...
10:04 < scythe_> another question: anybody planning to create an evms package?
10:05 < SMP> hey, no sweat :)
10:05 < SMP> scythe_: cchamilt has one
10:05 < cchamilt_> it is waiting on me sending the patch to rxr,  i have no email...
10:06 < scythe_> cchamilt: v2?
10:06 < cchamilt_> yep
10:06 < cchamilt_> against 2.4.22 with dm patches etc applying
10:06 < cchamilt_> bootdisk mods included so it is seemless.
10:07 < scythe_> cchamilt: i just installed it a week ago on z and found much better than lvm, so thank you for the work
10:07 < cchamilt_> yep rxr is going to die - adding it means adding glib to the bootdisk
10:08 < scythe_> :))
10:09 < scythe_> i also had an idea for a new target (or whatever): ha for high avability: heartbeat, evms and such
10:10 < cchamilt_> yes, that would be good.  I think mnemoc has been heading that way.  he has keepalived and virtual server stuff.
10:11 < scythe_> will consult him in the future than
10:13 < scythe_> other pkgs i didnt found: cacti, 9wm, x3270
10:13 < SMP> send patches ;)
10:14 < cchamilt_> brb, icecream
10:14 < scythe_> SMP: beware, will do :)
10:15 < scythe_> (under which subdir will they go?)
10:16 < AOU> moin
10:16 < scythe_> hi
10:17 < cchamilt_> make a scythe one ?
10:17 < scythe_> SMP: now gcc3 doesn't build, providing the error that glibc did: all processes sleep.
10:18 < cchamilt_> hi ow
10:25 < AOU> hi cchamilt_ , scythe_ 
10:26 < daja77> moin AOU 
10:32 < AOU> hi daja77 
10:34 < Mike1> Abend Eule!
10:37  * daja77 off now, cu all
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10:47 < scythe_> ah, rxr, are u considering upgrading scripts/Download on svn, or does this process need a special event (eg the release of the next rc or such)?
10:49 < cchamilt_> brewnix will rulenix!
10:50 < scythe_> ms showed longhorn in LA. everybody loved it... sad
10:50 < cchamilt_> sorry i think i had too much icecream
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10:54 < scythe_> dietlibc build segfaults...
10:57 < AOU> aaaaah. icecream. cchamilt_ - don't you want to send some icecream over to germany? *vbeg*
10:58  * cchamilt_ hands over icecream
11:00 < AOU> kewl. thx :)
11:00  * AOU is now doped with icecream *har*
11:01 < cchamilt_> Im coming off my high already.
11:01 < AOU> hmmm. is this a bad or a good fact?
11:02 < cchamilt_> good i guess for discussions sake.  though i am going a little too low i think.
11:03 < AOU> hm. k. 
11:08 < cchamilt_> yeah, i got perl5 working again.  damn thing was confused over my glibc.
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11:27 < AOU> hi trekkie3k 
11:28 < trekkie3k> hi aouwl ;)
11:31 < blindcoder> moin
11:32 < Mike1> moin blindy
11:32 < AOU> aouwl? ohohoh. trekkie3k seems to need glasses
11:32 < AOU> hi blindy, Mike1 
11:32 < Mike1> AOU: and untill now you greet me back..
11:32 < blindcoder> hmm... where's esden when you need him? *grmpf*
11:33 < Mike1> blindcoder: at uni taking care of his thesis..
11:33 < AOU> Mike1: oh... sorry... i didn't see you :-(((
11:34 < blindcoder> yeah... thought so >_<
11:36 < AOU> Mike1: how are you?
11:36 < Mike1> getting better from cold, and you ?
11:37 < AOU> hm. alive. thx.
11:44 < scythe_> SMP: still here?
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13:01 < SMP> scythe_: yes
13:02 < scythe_> SMP: remember the ls | tr sleep bug?
13:03 < SMP> yep
13:03 < SMP> figured it out?
13:03 < scythe_> now looks like that ls got a bug
13:03 < SMP> huh
13:03 < scythe_> it fall asleep without redirecting the output
13:04 < scythe_> and only at build-pkd -this_is_2nd_run thing
13:04 < scythe_> pkg that is
13:05 < scythe_> i wrote "ls /" in build-pkg line 4, the first time it runs, than the 2nd time it is falling asleep
13:05 < scythe_> no | tr, no $vars, just ls /
13:07 < SMP> uh-uh
13:08 < scythe_> yup
13:18 < scythe_> and the only place where ls is called during -this_is_the_2nd run is at the patchfiles variable
13:21 < scythe_> and i found that if you list an empty directory, that works even at the second run... only non-empty dirs mean a problem ;-)
13:22 < SMP> I don't believe this to be a problem of /bin/ls
13:22 < SMP> can you strace the invocation to ls ?
13:23 < scythe_> im on it
13:24 < scythe_> the worrying is that empty dir listings work
13:25 < SMP> maybe because they don't produce any output
13:26 < scythe_> maybe
13:30 < scythe_> strace: lstat /etc/mtab, than sigprocmask, then sigsuspend, which looks strange: "rt_sigsuspend([]" and no closing )...
13:30 < scythe_> and that's it
13:31 < SMP> the syscall is not returning
13:31 < scythe_> yes
13:31 < scythe_> but i dont know y. glibc?
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13:34 < scythe_> and anyway, why is it calling sigsuspend, what signal is it waiting for?
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13:36 < clifford> scythe_: can you reproduce the bug in a normal shell when you set LD_PRELOAD to the flist wrapper and FLWRAPPER_WLOG/FLWRAPPER_RLOG to writeable files?
13:36 < AOU> re
13:36 < scythe_> clifford: i'll try
13:37 < clifford> ..and is your build system NPLT based (like e.g. RH 9) ?
13:37 < Mike1> Abend clifford
13:37 < scythe_> clifford: debian
13:38 < clifford> Hi Mike1. It's lunchtime in vienna...  ;-)
13:38 < clifford> sid oder woody ?
13:38 < Mike1> hehehe clifford well happyt meals them.. time for breakfast here :)
13:38 < scythe_> woody 3.0r1 on 390
13:39 < AOU> debian causes nothing but problems while compiling rock? O_o
13:39 < clifford> Mike1: please don't use the term "happy meal" - It reminds me to sun networking hardware...  ;-)
13:40 < clifford> AOU: Seams like it does.
13:40 < Mike1> clifford: hehehe okis.
13:40 < Mike1> anyways folks i will take off now.. cu later.
13:40 < clifford> cu.
13:41 < Mike1> clifford: i'm starting to get some extra time.. hope there is vacancy for an old school team member to come back..
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13:49 < SMP> clifford: concerning the name change - what do you think of 'ROCK Operating Foundation' (or just short 'ROCK')?
13:50 < SMP> a rock makes a good place to build something on ;)
13:51 < clifford> the problem with "rock" is that you can't get any domains for it.
13:52 < SMP> the problem with !rock is, we have everything already named by that theme ;)
13:55 < scythe_> clifford: you were right, flwrapper with ld_preload kills ls in a single shell too...
13:57 < clifford> I'm afk for some time now (buying sth to eat).
13:57 < clifford> you might want to try running ltrace over it to see in which overloaded function (if any) the problem resists.
14:13 < scythe_> ?
14:19 < scythe_> okay, im just migrating from fl_frapper to strace for now... maybe a later time i'll go after this error
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15:48 < rolla> re
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16:17 < daja77> hi rolla
16:17 < daja77> away
16:17 < daja77> damn
16:20 < cchamilt_> clifford:?
16:23 < cchamilt_> If rock wants to change its name to brewnix it can have the domains .org/.net/.com for it.  It was going to be my marketing brand for selling my 'custom' linux services.
16:24 < daja77> brewnix??!
16:25 < rolla> hallo daja77 
16:26 < rolla> Finishing build.
16:26 < rolla> -> Creating package database ...
16:26 < rolla> -> Creating isofs.txt file ..
16:26 < daja77> hehe
16:40 < daja77> blindcoder: you here?
16:49 < blindcoder> daja77: more or less
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17:44 < daja77> ic
17:44 < daja77> blindcoder: just noticed chksum err in hddtemp
17:46 < rolla> yawn
17:47  * daja77 grins at rolla 
17:47 < rolla> == 09:49:19 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-rc1].
17:47 < rolla> daja77: does linux26 build for you?
17:47 < daja77> dunno just started :)
17:48 < rolla> oh let me know if yours does
17:48 < rolla> mine failed
17:48 < daja77> will do
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18:07 < cytrinox`> moin
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18:45 < rolla> asqwertzuipo+##lkj-.,mnbL_:;'*Q^!"$%&/(///
18:45 < rolla> crap
18:47 < rolla> finally got this damn keyboard worked out
18:47 < rolla> how do you germans use unix with the / being above the 7?
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19:12 < rxr_> re
19:13 < rxr_> rolla: this works quite ok - or we use the us layout ...
19:22 < rolla> ah
19:22 < rolla> then how do you use german chars?
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19:38 < cchamilt_> rxr_:Single line change for cracklib
19:38 < cchamilt_> rxr_: cp -f cracklib/packer.h /usr/include after the lib copy
19:39 < cchamilt_> This lets php build against cracklib
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19:49 < tcr> ../cxx/cxx_app.cpp:260: exception handling disabled, use -fexceptions to enable
19:49 < tcr> make: *** [cxx_app.lo] Error 1
19:49 < tcr> --- BUILD ERROR ---
19:49 < tcr> when building bdb3.3
19:49 < tcr> with gcc 3.2.3
19:50 < tcr> Anyone a clue?
19:54 < cchamilt_> That is a new one... No clue.
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20:14 < tcr> cchamilt_, hmm.. building it by hand (in src.bdb*/R.src/bd*/
20:14 < tcr> is successfull
20:26 < tcr> cchamilt_, found out what's caused that
20:27 < tcr> cchamilt_, in anyway 'Disable exceptiona nd rtti in C++' got enabled. 
20:27 < cchamilt_> what was it?
20:27 < cchamilt_> OK
20:29 < AOU> remoin
20:30 < cchamilt_> hi aou
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20:59 < tcr> Ok, found a bug in the config process
20:59 < tcr> that's responsible for an automatically setting of 'Disable exceptions [...]'
20:59 < tcr> Gonna send an email to the ml
21:04 < rolla> cool
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21:40 < rolla> grrr my boot build failed
21:42 < rolla> anyone about?
21:44 < tcr> rolla: I built one succesfully yesterday
21:44 < rolla> hmm
21:45 < tcr> Are you using a recent svn checkout?
21:45 < tcr> Mine were two or three days old
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22:10 < rxr_> re
22:10 < daja77> re
22:10 < daja77> hey rxr :)
22:13 < daja77> rxr_: /me was at a fedora talk yesterday, that project is a mess, I am glad I choose rock :)
22:14 < tcr> moin rxr 'nd daja77.
22:14 < tcr> daja77, what's fedora?
22:14 < daja77> hi tcr
22:14 < daja77> rh community project
22:18 < daja77> they aim towards an automatic build system, but in fact they build all their packages _manually_ !!!
22:22 < tcr> ./popt -I../zlib -g -O2 -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstric
22:22 < tcr> t-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wno-char-subscripts -c poptALL.c -MT poptALL.
22:22 < tcr> lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/poptALL.TPlo  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/poptALL.lo
22:22 < tcr> poptALL.c: In function `rpmcliInit':
22:22 < tcr> poptALL.c:338: syntax error before ';' token
22:22 < tcr> make[3]: *** [poptALL.lo] Error 1
22:23 < tcr> make[3]: Leaving directory `/R.src/rpm-4.1/lib'
22:23 < daja77> no comment ..
22:23 < rxr_> cchamilt_: I did the cracklib modifications and cleaned it up
22:23 < rxr_> commit after a test
22:24 < tcr> Is that known, rxr_?
22:24 < rxr_> tcr: I do not think so
22:24 < rxr_> do you use gcc33 ?
22:25 < tcr> 3.2.3
22:25 < tcr> I can't find anything wrong on line 338 (and around) in that file
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22:34 < daja77> tcr: optimization bug?
22:35 < tcr> It's reproducible at least.
22:35 < tcr> daja77, Do you think? I'm using pIII opts
22:36 < daja77> on which hw?
22:38 < tcr> athlon xp
22:39 < daja77> *cough* this will _not_ work
22:40 < daja77> pentium3 optimization even failed when i did it on a pentium4
22:40 < tcr> why that?
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22:41 < tcr> What do you mean with "not working"? Not building, or not woking on a pIII machine?
22:41 < daja77> cos the penmtium3 optimized gcc is executed on your athlon and producing crap
22:43 < tcr> Oh, I thought the things in tools.native will be used
22:44 < daja77> afaik you would need a real cross build for that
22:44 < tcr> or tools.cross
22:44 < tcr> Ok. I thought that's just necessary for really different architectures
22:46 < tcr> daja77, Apparantly, you're right. I had a different idea what the things in tools.{cross,native}  are there for
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23:08 < rxr_> huh? esden what's up ?
23:08 < daja77> ahem think he can't hear you :))
23:08 < pieass> right
23:08 < rxr_> daja77: yes obviously ...
23:09 < rxr_> SMP: is a 2.4.22-ipsec patch of any need for you?
23:09 < daja77> esden said sth recently of bein off from rock for a while
23:11 < rxr_> hm - maybe the uni stuff fills too much time over there ...
23:11 < rxr_> but I guess this is just some kind of update or so on some server (or simillar ...)
23:12 < daja77> might be true :)
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23:37 < rxr_> ok - cu and good night
23:37 < pieass> gn8
23:38 < daja77> n8 rxr
23:54 < daja77> gn8 you all
23:54 < pieass> gn8
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