--- Log opened Mit Nov 05 00:00:04 2003
00:02 < rxr> n8 all
00:08 < __mnemoc> re
01:59 < __mnemoc> *yawn*
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05:36 < cchamilt> rehi
05:36 < __mnemoc> hi cchamilt 
05:37 < cchamilt> got lyx building with qt
05:38 < __mnemoc> do u know when will rene restart commiting/commenting patches?
05:40 < __mnemoc> i don't care about kde3.2 :) there are lot of other stuff to do :\
05:40 < cchamilt> heh i only have 50 packages or so waiting in his inbox...  He is commiting things just nothing from us I guess.
05:41 < __mnemoc> btw, can you send them to the list so *we* can know/comment?
05:41 < cchamilt> Very few of them actually are X and only ones that dont touch anything.  Most have been tested in builds for months making sure they worked...
05:41 < cchamilt> You want 300K to the list?
05:42 < __mnemoc> an abstract can be safe :)
05:42 < cchamilt> ls package/cchamilt ?
05:42 < __mnemoc> url can be better :)
05:43 < cchamilt> Man do we need something like tla, with an archive that is committed to by three people, but is NOT someone's test tree.
05:43 < __mnemoc> i know at least you and me are working with ldap stuff (just an example)
05:43 < __mnemoc> we need branches
05:44 < __mnemoc> branches in svn SUCKS
05:44 < cchamilt> Well I right now just do a pkg_openldap.conf in my own target that adds new sasl, etc.
05:45 < cchamilt> That was not given to rene (no targets sent).
05:45 < cchamilt> I could host a tla on my server.
05:45 < __mnemoc> mixing tla and svn???
05:45 < cchamilt> 20GB/month bandwidth limit, but that isnt bad.  Good connections to most part of the world.
05:46 < cchamilt> Thinking about dropping svn entirely.  It was fine for rene, but no one else.
05:46 < __mnemoc> can you keep it sync'ed with rene's?
05:46 < cchamilt> We also need a cvs exposed for casual bleeding edge users.  No svn only checkouts.
05:47 < cchamilt> I will start working on the scripts, don't know but I can try.
05:47 < __mnemoc> rene said 'rock is too big for tla'.... if you can prove that's false we can officially move :)
05:47 < cchamilt> I should probably get tcr's help since he uses tla more.
05:48 < cchamilt> That is totally bullshit, how did he come up with that?
05:48 < __mnemoc> we said that tcr doesn't "scale"
05:48 < cchamilt> tla is currently test sucking the kernel, emacs and I think there was even experiments with gcc.
05:49 < cchamilt> heh
05:49 < __mnemoc> s/tcr/to tcr that tla /
05:49 < cchamilt> we should notify tcr
05:49 < __mnemoc> :)
05:49 < cchamilt> I too am concerned with tcr's scalability.  My benchmarks prove....
05:50 < __mnemoc> lol
05:50 < cchamilt> I will play with it.  tcr has access to my system so he can help.
05:50 < cchamilt> I dont want to fork, just hoover.
05:50 < __mnemoc> the key is to keep your tla's repo syncÚd with rene's svn
05:50 < cchamilt> hoover, hover either is accurate
05:51 < cchamilt> weekly syncs would be enough :P
05:51 < __mnemoc> :(
05:51 < cchamilt> Just kidding.
05:52 < __mnemoc> but rock IS stalled :'(
05:52 < cchamilt> Yep, that is why we need multiple commiters.  something discussed for years.
05:53 < cchamilt> I think I am committed for life to rock now.  I have accepted all its flaws and they have bit me more than once and I am still here.
05:53 < cchamilt> But even I know that that does not mean daily service to it.
05:54 < cchamilt> Who the heck should I give commits to?
05:54 < cchamilt> rene and clifford, but neither will use it till it IS the standard.
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05:55 < __mnemoc> daja, me, esden, you
05:55 < __mnemoc> and sync'ed with rene
05:55 < __mnemoc> tsa, tcr
05:55 < cchamilt> boy that makes it wide open.
05:55 < __mnemoc> jimmy! :)
05:56 < cchamilt> jimmy is good, you are good (though I conflict with your taste), esden is good but busy.
05:56 < __mnemoc> mmm
05:56 < __mnemoc> right
05:56 < cchamilt> daja tsa and tcr are trusted, but not sure if they need commit access.
05:57 < __mnemoc> cchamilt: i think we can't _conflict_ if we don't know each other :) 
05:57 < cchamilt> commit is just to get other peoples stuff merged in.  kind of like multiple linus to the kernel.
05:57 < cchamilt> i read your packages.  i might like you personally, but rock code wise....
05:57 < cchamilt> just like rene doesnt like my coding
05:58 < cchamilt> of course we have yelled at each other alot.  we have got along pretty well during physical meetings.
05:58 < cchamilt> I think you just over use config.in that is all.  Not much else.
05:58 < __mnemoc> when was your last 'physical meeting'?
05:59 < cchamilt> last year.
05:59 < __mnemoc> wow
05:59 < cchamilt> i think he might hold a grudge against me now :)
05:59 < __mnemoc> :o
06:00 < cchamilt> don't know if I will ever go back to europe anytime soon.
06:00 < cchamilt> no money right now.
06:00 < __mnemoc> about config.in, i don't like the idea of limiting a feature to just one target
06:00 < cchamilt> linuxtag was pretty good, but ccc was not worth the plane ride.
06:01 < __mnemoc> for me target=config+pkgsel
06:01 < __mnemoc> if i can add a config option to build anytarget for uml i would be happy
06:01 < cchamilt> I know why you chose config.in, I just think we need it better setup as it is getting crowded.
06:02 < cchamilt> uml, pam, maybe kerberos(now), big things like that are good for config.in
06:02 < cchamilt> goofy things like kde's prefix, no.
06:03 < cchamilt> Or at least at another separate level of menus.
06:03 < __mnemoc> currently menues are reaaaally slow
06:04 < cchamilt> ldap libraries option should be fixed when I send clifford my mine changes he is waiting on for complete globs.
06:04 < cchamilt> yes, dialog is weak and we are loading it down.  also way too much reparsing going on.
06:05 < __mnemoc> btw, if you get an official /package/cchamilt you can take openldap... i'm not currently focues on it
06:06 < cchamilt> sweet thanks, it is critical to my groupware stuff.
06:06 < __mnemoc> i know
06:06 < cchamilt> i'll keep your library stuff till gasgui, etc. do globs correctly.
06:07 < __mnemoc> i'm used to send incremental patches to make 'acceptance' easier... that check was just a begining
06:08 < cchamilt> what all is planned?
06:08 < __mnemoc> currently i don't filter man pages, (example)
06:09 < cchamilt> hmm
06:09 < __mnemoc> that's an 'incompleteness' :)
06:09 < cchamilt> lets see. svn to tla script.  Should I just strip the metadata?
06:09 < __mnemoc> i read your techworx some month ago, and i think we want the same
06:10 < cchamilt> I sent rene nss_ldap and pam_ldap.  Also, ldapdns (with a complete init setup)
06:10 < __mnemoc> but's too target specific
06:11 < __mnemoc> sweet :)
06:11 < cchamilt> yeah, I have cleaned that up I hope.  Still have some things targety.
06:13 < cchamilt> cinelerra not building :(.  I have been irresponsibly filling out missing distrowatch packages.
06:15 < __mnemoc> svn2tla... hard to design... does tla supports ignore lists? that can make it little easier
06:15 < __mnemoc> (i don't like distrowatch :/ )
06:16 < cchamilt> yeah, but distrowatch is nice to us for what we are.  also, it helps keep us up with the joneses
06:16 < cchamilt> tla does about anything.  it has a huge ignore mechanism.
06:17 < __mnemoc> maybe they can coexists :)
06:17 < cchamilt> that is the big problem with tla. it does anything anyone on their list thinks up.
06:18 < cchamilt> hmm maybe, tla can be incredibly clean in source directories.
06:18 < __mnemoc> and svn can ignore "{.*}" dirs :) 
06:18 < cchamilt> Basically, it keeps meta data in a {arch} directory at root of tree and no where else.
06:19 < cchamilt> I'll look into it.
06:19 < __mnemoc> only at root?
06:19 < cchamilt> from what I've seen yes.
06:20 < __mnemoc> i need tortoise-tla :)
06:22 < cchamilt> tla scares me a bit, but using the simple commands seems to be ok.  What we need is svn, arch, cvs.  With svn sync, arch check-in, and anonymous cvs out.
06:24 < __mnemoc> yep :)
06:32 < cchamilt> cinelerra appears to be building so I guess I will start this project.
06:35 < __mnemoc> just for fun?
06:35 < __mnemoc> i'll sleep now
06:36 < __mnemoc> and PLEASE... do the tla thing
06:36 < __mnemoc> good night
06:38 < cchamilt> cya
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07:43 < netrunne1> argl, build aborted - no space left :(
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07:52 < Baldzius> good morning
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09:16 < AOU> moin
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09:34 < huebi> Moin
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10:07 < daja77> moin
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10:12 < daja77> ui clifford on a fast conmection
10:12 < clifford> daja77: ??
10:13 < clifford> hi, btw.
10:13 < daja77> hi clifford, sdsl no?
10:13 < clifford> 2 MBit (office)
10:14 < daja77> :=)
10:14  * daja77 is on isdn :)
10:16 < clifford> so I can chat much faster than you can, or what?  ;-)
10:17 < daja77> lol, seems so
10:17 < daja77> devmeeting here would be fun in my small flat and isdn rate ^^
10:18 < daja77> like 10 people driving a polski fiat or so
10:18 < clifford> ..we also had only isdn at my place..
10:19  * clifford can't wait for next years dev. meeting housed by fake.  ;-)
10:19 < daja77> yes I know :)
10:19 < daja77> someone cursing every 10 minutes ^^
10:53 < blindcoder> you mean someone getting cursed every 10 minutes :)
10:53 < daja77> hehe yes sth like that
11:01  * blindcoder --> breakfast
11:02  * daja77 too
11:02 < daja77> cu later
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12:35 < AOU> moin
13:17 < __mnemoc> re
13:19 < AOU> hi __mnemoc 
13:19 < __mnemoc> hi HappyOwl
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14:05 < clifford> Who is that wanker that just submitted http://www.decopine.de to rocklinux.net ??? ;-)
14:06 < clifford> *grml*#@^&*grml*wastingmytime*$!@!!*thatgrumblers*%#$&!*grml*
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14:33 < rxr> re
14:46 < daja77> hi rxr
14:47 < rolla> re
14:47 < daja77> clifford: seems we need to implement autolart procedures for rocklinux.net
14:47 < daja77> hi rolla 
14:50 < rxr> cu later
14:57 < clifford> daja77: I think its a sign for the success of a service that people start trying to abuse it...
14:57 < daja77> hehe good point
14:58 < clifford> rxr: http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/?do=details&id=179
14:59 < daja77> but i installed it successfully yesterday anyway ^^
14:59 < clifford> is it a bug now or not?
15:00 < daja77> yes, if you are not selecting packages, nothing is installed at all and you get the prompt, umount -arv and stuff
15:01 < clifford> hm.. bad.
15:01 < clifford> sh*t - i think i do know what the problem is ...
15:02 < daja77> this is a showstopper bug that's why i gave it a higher priority
15:05 < clifford> daja77: you did select the option which should select everything ?
15:05 < daja77> yes
15:05 < daja77> full workstation install
15:05 < daja77> and when i checked no kernel and no other important stuff is selected when choosing that
15:07 < clifford> svn diff -r 15:16 http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/mine/trunk
15:07 < clifford> .. that _should_ have fixed it.
15:08 < daja77> is there a simple way to get that fixed that in the official isos before uploading them
15:08 < daja77> btw do the rock scripts support svn cos like they support them with cvs?
15:08 < clifford> hmm... what is "simle" ?
15:09 < clifford> I think a patch for that would always be welcome..
15:09 < daja77> simple means in this case, not to restart a complete build cos it takes almost 2 days here
15:12 < clifford> "./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg foobar -delete mine" and restart the build.
15:12 < daja77> hmm wait it should be enough to rebuild bootdisk, no?
15:12 < daja77> oki think i know hoe to proceed
15:13 < daja77> yep
15:13 < daja77> doin new cds and testing
15:14 < daja77> have to check what happened to my laptop yesterday, had tons of kernel oopses during install until it completely fscked up
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15:23 < daja77> strange your patch can't be applied
15:49 < clifford> daja77: hm.... what's the problem with it?
15:55 < daja77> !> |Index: selector.c
15:55 < daja77> !> |======================================================= ..
15:55 < daja77> !> |--- selector.c      (revision 15)
15:55 < daja77> !> |+++ selector.c      (revision 16)
15:55 < daja77> !> --------------------------
15:55 < daja77> !> No file to patch.  Skipping patch.
15:55 < daja77> !> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored
16:09 < clifford> patchopt contains -p1.
16:10 < clifford> so it must be modified to be "./selector.c".
16:12 < daja77> d'oh, ok
16:15 < daja77> ok it worked *sigh*
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17:21 < __mnemoc> *yawn*
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17:31 < netrunne1> hm crap, I noticed that install problem a while ago but forgot to report :(
17:37 < rolla> yawn
18:07 < blindcoder> hi there
18:43 < daja77> .oO ppl posting to rlml with outlook
18:44 < daja77> html mail *grml*
18:50 < clifford> daja77: html mail? who?
18:51 < daja77> stefan fiedler
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18:52 < bofh> *clickediclick*
18:52 < daja77> :)
18:52 -!- bofh is now known as clifford
18:54 < clifford> Ok, I'll go home now and continue hacking draft-ietf-ipsec-isakmp-mode-cfg-05 as well as draft-ietf-ipsec-isakmp-xauth-06 into Pluto (FreeS/WAN).
18:55 < daja77> have fun, cu
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19:05 < cytrinox`> hi
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20:26 < blindcoder> anyone got somethoughts about crypto-support in ROCK?
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20:54 < fake> g'evening
20:55 < blindcoder> hi fake
20:55 < blindcoder> GRAH
20:55 < blindcoder> encryption isn't backwards compatible from 2.4.22 to 2.4.21 >_<
20:57 < daja77> hi fake
20:57 < fake> hi blindcoder, daja77 
20:57 < blindcoder> I can't mount a 2.4.21-encrypted fs with 2.4.22 >_<
21:01 < blindcoder> *cry* esden wa kowai!
21:06 < fake> bye
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21:27 < rolla> Creating initrd data:
21:27 < rolla> -> Create linuxrc binary.
21:27 < rolla> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 8: diet: command not found
21:28 < rolla> what does that mean?
21:29 < esden> hi all
21:34 < daja77> hi esden
21:34 < netrunner> hi esden 
21:34 < netrunner> esden: the dhcp server did not work because he wanted an empty zone definition for his uplink.
21:35 < netrunner> rolla: could it be that your building system has no dietlibc installed?
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21:38 < rolla> yeah
21:38 < rolla> installing it right now
21:41  * daja77 successfully installed rc2 from his isos on a laptop
21:43 < rolla> lucky you
21:45 < esden> netrunner: ahh good to know
21:46 < esden> netrunner: but you made everything to work
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22:28 < netrunner> esden: sure, I am used to repair what you left ;)
22:32  * netrunner installed a desktop build on his laptop some weeks ago, and the graka/tft freaked completely up. 
22:32 < netrunner> was quite a recent one, fsc lifebook e7010 ... 
22:33 < netrunner> disabling the framebuffer helped, now at least x is usable.
22:33  * netrunner is talking to himself.
22:33 < daja77> hehe
22:36 < netrunner> daja77: laugh you!
22:36 < daja77> sure
22:36 < netrunner> another noisy night: 859 builds total, 577 completed fine, 14 with errors. (still building)
22:36 < daja77> good to have buold finished
22:37  * daja77 'll upload tested isos tomorrow or friday i hope
22:38 < rxr> re
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22:40 < netrunner> hi rxr
22:41 < rxr> hi netrunner 
22:43 < daja77> hi rxr, rc2 now running on that trouble machine on which rc1 failed
22:44  * daja77 included cliffords mine fix in the isos
22:44 < rolla> yawn
22:44  * daja77 waiting for the day when rolla is awake in this chan
22:45 < rolla> :)
22:45 < rolla> I am downloading source packages for my rock build
22:45 < daja77> good :)
22:45 < daja77> rc2 or trunk?
22:45 < rolla> trunk rc3
22:45  * netrunner decided to use gpg. 
22:45 < daja77> guess I'll start a trunk build tomorrow
22:46 < rolla> I just have to remeber to strip out emacs and xemacs
22:46 < esden> netrunner: you were not using gpg till now? o_O
22:46 < esden> it is a base thing!
22:46 < esden> emacs ... *puke* ;)
22:46 < esden> (throwing a match in to the channel)
22:47 < netrunner> esden: haven't seen a signed/crypted mail from you either.
22:47 < daja77> hehe i missed esden here
22:47 < esden> (perhups it will catch a flame)
22:47 < netrunner> hm ... gpg --export was a bad idea, the terminal died :)
22:47 < rolla> esden: I know what you mean
22:47 < esden> netrunner: I sign all my mails. look closer
22:47 < rolla> only thing worse is the fact that gentoo like nano
22:47 < rolla> ugh
22:48 < esden> netrunner: you need to export it with armor
22:48 < daja77> nano ugh
22:48 < esden> rolla: uuuuuurgh
22:49  * daja77 off to bed, cu
22:51 < rolla> esden: yes first thing I do is emerge unmerge nano :)
22:53 < esden> rolla: you use gentoo?
22:53 < rolla> yes
22:53 < esden> aha ...
22:53 < rolla> ?
22:54 < rxr> ok - cu
22:54 < rolla> nacht rxr
22:54 < esden> I tryed to install debian stable from the net yesterday and it produced an error in one of the packets ...
22:54 < rolla> well that is your problem 
22:54 < rolla> using debian
22:54 < esden> that was something that said that debian is not really as good as everyone around tryes to state
22:55 < esden> I was forced to!
22:55 < esden> it was not my idea
22:55 < rolla> sure you were
22:55 < rolla> ;)
22:55 < esden> :P
22:55 < rolla> I wish rock had somethign like emerge 
22:57 < esden> it has ...
22:57 < esden> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg
22:57 < rolla> have I been gone that long?
22:57 < rolla> damn :(
22:57 < esden> it seems so
22:58 < esden> I use this emerge all the time and it works _pretty_ well
22:58 < rolla> well I must work on this new build and test it out
22:58 < rolla> define pretty
22:58 < esden> I had no problems with it since some months ...
22:58 < esden> only in the beginning phase it had problems
22:59 < esden> and since the dependancies in rocklinux are not really good you should not use the -dep option of Emerge-Pkg
22:59 < esden> but for installing all possible packets it is perfectly usable
22:59 < rolla> I see that feature would have to work so I could use it where it needs to be used
23:00 < esden> humm ... ok
23:00 < rolla> that is the part I hate is figureing out all the deps
23:00 < esden> that is also the reason why I can not convince the guys in my institute to use rock
23:00 < rolla> what do they use?
23:00 < esden> debian
23:00 < rolla> :(
23:00 < esden> ack
23:01 < esden> but better then suse or rh
23:01 < rolla> I have gentoo and rock here
23:07 < rolla> esden: did you hear about redhat dropping redhat linux?
23:07 < netrunner> hm ... what do I need to do to mutt that he checks signatures? (besides gpg.rc)
23:09 < rolla> not sure
23:15 < esden> rolla: no that is new for me
23:16 < rolla> yeah they only want to do servers now
23:16 < rolla> time to go talk to you later
23:23 < esden> cu rolla 
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23:47 < netrunner> ah ... works.
23:47 < netrunner> n8
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