--- Log opened Don Nov 13 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Don Nov 13 2003
00:00 < A-Tui> hi all
00:00 < mnemoc> hi A-Tui 
00:00 < A-Tui> hi mnemoc
00:06 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
00:06  * daja77 can't sleep :(
00:07 < A-Tui> hola daja77
00:07 < A-Tui> daja77: too much coffe?
00:07 < daja77> no too much sleep today ^^
00:07 < A-Tui> ahh :)
00:08 < A-Tui> when i can't sleep i like read a book in the bed
00:28 < daja77> :)
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00:35  * elon catches himself a book
00:35 < elon> im off
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01:40 < mnemoc> build of rev1750 finished :)
01:40 < daja77> good
01:40  * daja77 now off to bed again
01:41 < mnemoc> good night again
01:41 < daja77> thx
01:41 < mnemoc> hope you can sleep now :)
01:41 < daja77> hope so too
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03:56 < mnemoc> *yawn*
06:03 < AOU> moin
06:03 < true> moin AOU :p
06:03 < AOU> hi true :p
06:04 < MadTux> moin all.
06:04 < AOU> hi MadTux
06:04 < MadTux> eule :)
06:04 < AOU> .oO(someone else awake at 06:03 - help!)
06:04 < AOU> Mike!!! :) hi
06:05 < MadTux> hehehe 
06:05 < AOU> .oO(Mike1 seems to be an nickaholic - just like me)
06:07 < MadTux> AOU: not really.. just though of getting a new one that could bdescribve me better.. and so liked this one and found it was available so here ia m 
06:07 < AOU> ah . k :)
06:07 < MadTux> but yeah perhaps we have that in common :)
06:09 < AOU> yeah. seems so
06:09 < AOU> *argh* where did i leave my rucksack... it must be somewhere in this room... but where??? *searching for black rucksack in totally dark room*
06:11 < true> AOU: hehe... must be quite funny :p *vbeg*
06:13 < AOU> true: yeah :p
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06:49 < AOU> moin kasc 
06:49 < nookie_> MadTux: !
06:49 < nookie_> :)
06:49 < AOU> hi nookie_ 
06:49 < nookie_> Hi AOU :)
06:50 < MadTux> n00kie!
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08:19 < Baldzius> morning
08:33 < AOU> moin Baldzius 
08:47 < rxr> re
08:47 < rxr> moin
08:50 < AOU> moin rxr 
09:07 < rxr> moin AOU 
09:09 < AOU> rxr: do you know by accident, how long the "sofortmassnahmen am unfallort"-schein is gueltig?
09:13 < netrunne1> moin
09:14 < netrunne1> AOU: you mean because they do a lot of controls today? ;)
09:14 -!- You're now known as netrunner
09:14 < AOU> netrunner: i mean, becaus i want to start with my drivers licence
09:14 < AOU> moin netrunner 
09:15 < rxr> AOU: IIRC 2 years
09:16 < AOU> hm. ok. thx... .oO(some websites, some people, different answers)
09:16 < AOU> pray for me, that my certificate is still gueltig, please ;) thx
09:18 < rxr> you mean the paper you need e.g. for a driving license?
09:18 < AOU> yeah
09:18 < rxr> When I made this paper in the age of 16 it was valid for two years
09:19 < rxr> maybe this changed over the time ...
09:19 < rxr> cu
09:19 < AOU> yeah... ok. 
09:19 < AOU> bye
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11:17 < unicorn> hi guys
11:17 < unicorn> anyone here familiar with high availability
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11:41 < AOU> hi AOU 
11:41 < AOU> aeh [anders] 
11:41 < AOU> aaargh. speaking to my 2nd self
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13:12 < daja77> moin
13:14 < AOU> hi daja77 
13:14 < daja77> hi owl
13:15 < netrunner> re
13:16 < daja77> oh that's a new svn error
13:16 < daja77> svn: RA layer request failed
13:16 < daja77> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/rock-linux/trunk'
13:16 < daja77> svn: REPORT of '/svn/rock-linux/trunk': 409 Conflict
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13:49 < mnemoc> :o
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13:50 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
13:50 < AOU> hi mnemoc 
13:50 < mnemoc> hi daja, owl
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14:21 < rxr> re
14:21 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
14:29 < daja77> hi rxr
14:53 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:06 < rxr> hi daja77 
15:18 < rolla> re
15:40 < rxr> hi rolla 
16:07 < MadTux> hello folks
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16:53 < daja77> re
16:54 < daja77> hi rolla, Mike
16:55 < mnemoc> Mike is gone daja :)
16:55 < daja77> d'oh yes
17:08 < esden> hi all
17:09 < daja77> hi esden 
17:11 < mnemoc> hi esden
17:12 < esden> hi daja77, mnemoc 
17:12 < esden> ping rxr 
17:32 < mnemoc> ping time out
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17:42 < esden> mnemoc: ack
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17:50 < daja77> d'oh security issues with glibc
17:56 < esden> daja77: is it something new? ;)
17:58 < daja77> well we don't have a fix for that yet, that's new
18:17  * netrunner has sound :)
18:18 < mnemoc> pc speaker rules
18:19  * mnemoc beeps
18:20 < AOU> re
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18:40 < ConCode> hi can anyone help me with a install?
18:41 < ConCode> it's been since Rock 1.7 i installed my last sys
18:41 < ConCode> i have a new sys I would like to feed with the rock 2.0.0 rc1 iso 
18:42 < ConCode> but when i boot it allways gives me errors instead of loading stage 2
18:44 < ConCode> ...helo rocklinux.chan
18:44 < mnemoc> 2.0 cames from 1.7 :) not much diferent
18:44 < ConCode> but i cant remember how i did this
18:45 < ConCode> it is not able to use 2nd_stage.tar.gz
18:45 < mnemoc> doesn't mount?
18:46 < ConCode> I think it did mount, since it shows the two files available
18:46 < ConCode> insmod minix failed
18:46 < mnemoc> the filenames are hardcoded in the linuxrc ;)
18:46 < ConCode> what does he need minix for?
18:47 < mnemoc> there is a rutine to detect filesystem that tries many of them
18:47 < mnemoc> including minix
18:48 < ConCode> well it says 2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert/2nd_stage.tar.gz
18:48 < ConCode> this is not hardcoded i think
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18:48 < ConCode> is it?
18:48 < mnemoc> yes, it is :)
18:48 < ConCode> oh man
18:48 < ConCode> so it doesn't mount
18:49 < ConCode> so i need to use kiss-shell to mount it?
18:49 < mnemoc> i had the some problem with one specific hardware... using kiss did'nt help
18:49 < mnemoc> but you can try
18:49 < ConCode> mom
18:50 < mnemoc> mount cdrom to /mnt_source
18:51 < cchamilt> relo
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18:56 < mnemoc> add to your target a pkg list to sed filter thing
18:57 < mnemoc> (omnisapiente sounds much better than 'all knowing')
18:57 < ConCode> mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom/cdrom0 /mnt_source        gives me: mount: problem mounting "/mnt_source" on "/dev/cdrom/cdrom0" (type "iso9660") [mount: exited with 1]
18:58 < cchamilt> it is just not very user friendly in its current form. we are supposed to be a distribution making tool after all.
18:59 < mnemoc> 'distribution making tool' implies 'user friendly'?
18:59 < cchamilt> i dont want all my packages in my repo for every target, and i definitely dont want everything in rxr's.
18:59 < mnemoc> X foo <--- that IS user friendly
19:00 < cchamilt> no, it is just why bother with rock unless we are at least thinking about how to make a target easier.
19:00 < mnemoc> ConCode: 
19:01 < mnemoc> ConCode: *I* did it booting with a BG-Rescue disck
19:01 < mnemoc> disk
19:01 < mnemoc> and then mounting 2nd. stage from rock's bootdsk
19:01 < ConCode> mnemoc: BG-Rescue disk?
19:02 < mnemoc> a devfs rescue disk based on busybox/uclibcc
19:02 < ConCode> where can I get it?
19:02 < mnemoc> google :)
19:02 < ConCode> ok
19:02 < ConCode> sry
19:03 < ConCode> so I need to google for BG-Rescue-disk , thats what it is called?
19:03 < mnemoc> http://home.tiscalinet.ch/bgiannone/rescue/
19:03 < cchamilt> we need four functions: pkgenable and pkgdisable that work on all packages(not just ones that are in selected repos), and the repoenable and repoenableall.
19:04 < mnemoc> pkgenable and pkgdisables WORKS in config/packages, that means all repos
19:04 < cchamilt> all turned on repos.
19:05 < cchamilt> you dont do a / x11 /         { p; d; }; you dont see x11
19:05 < mnemoc> sorry, but at least you REMOVE the lines from packages all repos are 'turned on'
19:06 < mnemoc> if you use that method to filter you get in troubles
19:06 < mnemoc> use awk instead of sed 
19:06 < cchamilt> true, but then you are left with all package X for all repos which is god awlful to remove.
19:06 < mnemoc> and do $1=O
19:07 < mnemoc> nobody force you to filter with sed
19:07 < cchamilt> There is no point in exposing sed or any operator here.  Function wrappers are much nicer. Unless you really want to do a kde.* for some reason.
19:08 < cchamilt> Yes, just going to have to make the functions.
19:08 < mnemoc> function wrapper are slow as hell
19:08 < mnemoc> perl, sed and awk let you do that in 1 step
19:09 < cchamilt> Um yeah, well why bother writing things in multiline files?  Everything can just be separated by semicolons.
19:09 < mnemoc> we have more than 1000 packages, runing 1000 extra functions is not smart
19:09 < cchamilt> It isn't but tailoring rock to exclude/include what you want takes effort.
19:11 < mnemoc> that's why we have targets
19:11 < mnemoc> add an awk file to your targets and you are almost ready
19:12 < mnemoc> { $1="O"; }
19:12 < mnemoc> ( / 00-dirtree / ) { $1="X"; }
19:12 < mnemoc> ...
19:12 < mnemoc> { print; }
19:12 < cchamilt> what I would like is something like a packages.txt in the target that just lists the packages wanted.
19:12 < mnemoc> AND you can add a rutine to generate that awk file from your pkg list
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19:13 < cchamilt> possibly
19:14 < mnemoc> not possibly. it is easy to do
19:14 < cchamilt> Yeah.  Need to think about the layout of the packages.txt file though.
19:15 < mnemoc> packages.lst to avoid confusion
19:15 < cchamilt> It could be just a simple list, but it would be nice to bring in whole repos too.
19:15 < cchamilt> yes
19:15 < mnemoc> package
19:15 < mnemoc> repo/
19:15 < mnemoc> :)
19:15 < cchamilt> maybe
19:16 < cchamilt> and repo/* could be all packages (even the O's)?
19:16 < mnemoc> yep
19:16 < ConCode> mnemoc: thank you for your help, but I'll drop this issue now
19:16 < mnemoc> a whole repo is a whole repo
19:16 < cchamilt> hmm
19:17 < cchamilt> need a disable package then too.
19:17 < mnemoc> i think only I have O packages :)
19:17 < mnemoc> there you reach pksel
19:17 < ConCode> mnemoc: this system is not even able to boot from floppy. I give up 
19:17 < cchamilt> most of mine our too.
19:18 < mnemoc> ConCode: you can burn a CDRW with BG-Rescue as boot
19:18 < cchamilt> OK, I will go work on it.
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19:23 < ConCode> I'll be back ;)
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19:23 < cchamilt> omg mythtv built and now resides in /opt/mythtv!
19:24 < cchamilt> only bad thing left is CVS files in the web pages.
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19:27 < mnemoc> cchamilt: add [D] cvs:// lines to .desc file :-) ... rock is not as hard as you want to show it
19:27 < cchamilt> no no
19:27 < cchamilt> got them downloading
19:28 < cchamilt> just need the cvsinsrcdir like function on a hand untarred file
19:28 < cchamilt> each mythtv module is slightly  different and uses qmake to generate everything, so I have the whole thing done inside a custmain.
19:30 < cchamilt> so untar.txt doesnt know about these files.
19:30 < cchamilt> Why does rock do cvsinsrcdir anyway?  What things were breaking with letting the CVS,etc. files lay there?
19:32 < mnemoc> Translation error: Core dump.
19:33 < mnemoc> what do u mean with 'cvsinsrcdir'?
19:33 < cchamilt> rock removes all CVS and .svn directories from untarred sources being built.
19:33 < mnemoc> yes, so....
19:33 < cchamilt> I never knew why unless it was just so docdir moves would not include them.
19:34 < mnemoc> clean-the-mess-before-magic-docdir-thing
19:34 < mnemoc> what problem do you see with it?
19:35 < cchamilt> I do a : tar $taropt mythweb inside custmain.  So the cvsinsrcdir happens 'before' this untarring.
19:36 < cchamilt> I dont mind the cvs removal, just need to do something like it myself.
19:36 < mnemoc> if that makes problem with your package i think you can add a buildvar (default:true) to clean-cvs-crap
19:36 < mnemoc> and set it to false in your .conf
19:36 < cchamilt> no, i need more not less of it.
19:37 < mnemoc> you can try to make it an standalone function
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19:38 < cchamilt> it cheats and uses a text file listing the output of the tar.
19:38 < mnemoc> :o
19:39 < mnemoc> and `| standalone_function` in your untar too?
19:40 < cchamilt> maybe
19:40 < cchamilt> it is an ugly conf already
19:42 < cchamilt> heh i know
19:42 < mnemoc> btw, what's mythtv?
19:42 < mnemoc> mythweb
19:42 < mnemoc> :)
19:43 < cchamilt> tar -v $taropt mythweb.... >> untar.txt
19:43 < cchamilt> Then cut and paste the cvsinsrc function as is below that
19:43 < cchamilt> www.mythtv.org
19:44 < mnemoc> what about | grep | xargs rm  ?
19:44 < cchamilt> It is a set of python wrappers hooked up to qt to make a set top pvr.
19:44 < mnemoc> ok
19:44 < cchamilt> egrep '(^|/)(CVS|\.svn)(/|$)' untar.txt |
19:44 < cchamilt>           while read x; do
19:44 < cchamilt>                 echo "Removing $x ..."
19:44 < cchamilt>                 rm -rf "$x"
19:45 < cchamilt>      done
19:45 < cchamilt> cut and paste
19:46 < cchamilt> we need to make more function libraries out of calls like this.
19:46 < mnemoc> yes, i have added many, but there is a lot of work to do (2.1)
19:47 < cchamilt> I have it built now with most games and all the cd/dvd stuff and advancemame in a target.
19:48 < cchamilt> I hope to sell it as a box for around $700 complete.  Though gamepads will be extra, I hope to include a remote.
19:49 < cchamilt> it still needs a radio app and a way to burn cds/dvds of videos.
19:50 < cchamilt> I think myth comes with a cd burner already.  Need to play with it all yet.
19:54  * mnemoc can imagine a country as .sg .... we are just apples, copper, salmon and wood... nobody gives a fsck to technology or science
19:56 < cchamilt> We are just a non communist (freedom safe) port in asia.  We are losing the logistics edge so spore is into technology.
19:56 < mnemoc> s/can/can't/
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19:58 < cchamilt> spore made most of its money 'borrowing technology' and harboring banks and oil companies exploiting the rest of the region.
19:58  * mnemoc hates his farming-country :|
19:59 < cchamilt> yeah I understand,  I am from a semi-redneck area.
20:00 < cchamilt> Plan A: Leave boonies, get rich by being smart in a crappy city,  buy boonies and move back there.
20:00 < mnemoc> redneck... "where you came from cotton eye joe" (/me signs country music)
20:01 < mnemoc> Plan B?
20:01 < cchamilt> there are some lousy songs out there, but i think you get it. I am walmart rural.
20:02 < cchamilt> Plan B: Leave boonies, flail around looking for a job, ...
20:04  * mnemoc wants to burn all those fscking boonies :|
20:06  * cchamilt misses snow
20:07 < mnemoc> take a trip to siveria :)
20:07 < mnemoc> (i hope you have snow closer than that)
20:09 < cchamilt> heh, we have a 'snow world' which is a large refridgerated building to ski in.  Pretty lame.  I just get tired of spore not having seasons.
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20:29 < daja77> re
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20:58 < blindcoder> hmm
20:59 < blindcoder> 5-libglade10 falsi with the most ridiculous error-message I've ever seen in a ROCK build...
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21:31 < cchamilt> does awk do greedy regexs?
21:50 < rxr> blindcoder: what is the error message?
21:51 < rxr> ah: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 
21:52 < rxr> yes - those programmers are really ...
21:52 < daja77> wtf
21:52 < rxr> clanbomber also did this - and thus got removed from dRock years ago (was unfixable trivially ...)
21:53 < daja77> who needs X to compile stuff
21:53 < daja77> besides rtai *grml*
22:02 < rxr> rtai ????
22:03 < rxr> clanbomber needed it to generate some image whatever and font stuff ...
22:04 < daja77> rtai cvs version uses konfig tool from kernel, guess i canb work around that, somehow
22:04 < daja77> and it is using autoconf which is even more disgusting
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23:14 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
23:32 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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23:34 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have an estimated date for the next release?
23:34 < xnp> wasap guys, hey, if i'm going to a german restorant, what can i order?, I need advices with german foods pease!
23:35 < daja77> depends on what you like
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23:35 < xnp> meat!
23:35 < daja77> pork? *ggg*
23:35 < rxr> mnemoc: -rc2 is tagged for weeks and the generic iso is there
23:36 < rxr> I think -rc3 will be tagged sunday
23:36 < mnemoc> that was my question :)
23:36 < rxr> or do I tag it now - so the rocknet integration can not delay it ...
23:36 < daja77> btw any good/bad news about my isos?
23:36 < mnemoc> i have a running 1752 built with some updates i would like to send
23:36 < rxr> daja77: only this one person where the ISO does not boot
23:37 < mnemoc> so i'm waiting the tag
23:37 < daja77> rxr: should I start rc3 build this night
23:37 < rxr> I have not the time to verify each iso
23:37 < rxr> daja77: nope - wait for the first tag ...
23:37 < daja77> rxr: yes but I can't verify this
23:37 < xnp> red meat, some name to look for in google ?
23:37 < rxr> daja77: mnemoc: should we tag now (so early) or try to get rocknet and a new rockplug into it ?
23:37 < daja77> when you tag it now I mean
23:38 < daja77> xnp: beef or what?
23:38 < mnemoc> we can have them on rc4 :)
23:38 < daja77> xnp: http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de might be useful for you
23:38 < mnemoc> if rock is stable today, tag it today... tomorrow can be broken ;)
23:39 < daja77> hehe
23:39 < mnemoc> we are loosing 'vitality'
23:39 < daja77> we could lose reputation that would be worse
23:39 < xnp> daja77 I want something traditional, from german
23:41 < xnp> daja77 like costarican's gallopinto, if mike has told you about it!
23:42 < mnemoc> what the heck is a gallopinto? red chicken?
23:42 < daja77> no he hasn't
23:42 < daja77> xnp: you want to buy it in .cr or are you in .de?
23:43 < xnp> mnemoc is rice and beans with another(optional) things, like egg, natilla, etc...
23:43 < mnemoc> and?
23:43 < mnemoc> any meat?
23:44 < xnp> mnemoc if you want, it has optional ingredients, I like with everything :->
23:44 < xnp> daja77 i'm in .cr
23:44 < daja77> http://www.deutscheshaus.cc/html/german_food.html
23:45 < mnemoc> xnp: i got it. you eat everything with gallopinto
23:45 < daja77> rofl
23:46  * elon_ is off
23:46 < elon_> gn8
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23:47 < xnp> mnemoc i dont think i can find you a formal definition of gallo pinto, just some basic ingredients, but if you order gallopinto somewhere you need to ask what it has
23:50 < xnp> mnemoc http://expedition.bensenville.lib.il.us/CentralAmerica/CostaRica/recipes/GalloPinto.htm
23:50 < mnemoc> rice+beans to stop the hunger when the real food (meat) is not enought :)
23:51 < mnemoc> wow, they can only be done with Dona Elvia beans, she should get lot of money
23:51 < daja77> hehe
23:52 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
23:52 < daja77> hola Aitor
23:52 < A-Tui> hola daja77
23:52 < daja77> :)
23:53 < A-Tui> how are you?
23:53 < daja77> feeling great
23:53 < A-Tui> fine :)
23:53 < mnemoc> this is weird, 3 hispanos vs. 1 deutsch .... never seen before at #rocklinux
23:53 < daja77> bit tired though
23:53 < A-Tui> mnemoc: :)
23:53 < A-Tui> olé!
23:53 < xnp> hablemos español entonces! jeje
23:53 < daja77> yeah now give me all your recipes ;-)
23:54 < A-Tui> daja77: can you speak spanish?
23:54 < daja77> no
23:54 < A-Tui> ok
23:54 < daja77> and i guess i have to learn italian before that
23:55 < A-Tui> mmm well are very similar
23:55 < daja77> yep
23:56 < daja77> the girl I like is italian ...
23:56 < A-Tui> she lives in Italia?
23:56 < A-Tui> does she live in Italia? (better)
23:57 < daja77> no
23:57 < daja77> she lives in .de and speaks german very well ^^
23:57 < A-Tui> :)
23:58 < A-Tui> then i know why you "have" to learn italian first :)
23:58 < mnemoc> daja want to seduce her i her own language
23:58 < daja77> you see ;-)
23:58 < A-Tui> daja77: good luck!
23:58 < daja77> mnemoc: guess you would try that too?
23:58 < xnp> that will be international sex!, good!
23:58 < daja77> thx
23:59 < A-Tui> love have no frontiers :)
23:59 < xnp> A-Tui the borders of the bed ?
23:59 < daja77> xnp: *cough* that was not the point I was making
23:59 < mnemoc> globalization
23:59 < A-Tui> xnp: :)
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