--- Log opened Fre Nov 14 00:00:00 2003
--- Day changed Fre Nov 14 2003
00:00 < A-Tui> mnemoc: that's a good globalization
00:00 < xnp> globalization ?, using condons ? jeje
00:00 < A-Tui> XD
00:00 < A-Tui> secure sex!
00:01 < mnemoc> when she realize you want to lear it she will want to teach you what she knows ;)
00:02 < A-Tui> daja77: latin girls are very "fogosas" (i don't know an english word)
00:02 < daja77> italian != latin
00:02 < A-Tui> daja77: why?
00:02 < mnemoc> nope, italian ARE latin
00:02 < daja77> ok good
00:03 < daja77> i can live with that ^^
00:03 < A-Tui> yes, italian people and spanish people are very similar
00:03 < mnemoc> latins have two family names :)
00:03 < xnp> daja77 easy, they are wrong !
00:03 < daja77> huh?
00:03 < xnp> daja77 we know the truth
00:03 < A-Tui> :)
00:03 < xnp> italian != latin
00:04 < daja77> nobody said latinos btw
00:04 < A-Tui> mmmmm well perhaps could be better "latinos"
00:04 < mnemoc> btw, fogoso=feuring
00:04 < xnp> latin people != latinos ?
00:04 < daja77> mnemoc: feurig?
00:05 < mnemoc> yes
00:05 < A-Tui> xnp: then ok, i make a bad translate
00:05 < mnemoc> s/n//
00:05 < daja77> .oO haven't produced so much traffic lately ;-)
00:06 < daja77> hey and killed it too
00:06 < daja77> ok i am fine
00:06 < daja77> off to bed now
00:06 < daja77> cu
00:06 < A-Tui> bye
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00:07 < daja77> jose: have fun
00:07 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
00:09 < xnp_eating_his_s> daja77 who is jose ?
00:09 < daja77> you
00:09 < daja77> n8
00:09 < xnp_eating_his_s> please to meet me!, jeje, gn8
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00:10 < mnemoc> xnp: what were you eating? s?
00:11 < xnp_exposed> mnemoc s...elf
00:11 < xnp_exposed> didn't fit
00:13 < rxr> ok - n8 all - cu
00:13 < A-Tui> bye rxr
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06:08 < AOU> moin
06:08 < true> AOU: moin
06:08 < AOU> hi true :)
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07:54 < MadHunter> Hello
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08:20 < MadHunter> Hello!
08:20 < AOU> hi MadHunter 
08:20 < MadHunter> How's it going?
08:22 < MadHunter> I've got a question about dRock if anyone can field a simple one...
08:22 < MadHunter> Hello!
08:22 < MadHunter> oops... sorry about that other Hello
08:22 < MadHunter> was an accident, not trying to be obnoxious
08:24 < MadHunter> So my system has a Kingston NIC with the LNETX110 chipset (tulip). When running the install, it asks if i'd like to install a kernel network driver, but I can't find anything to match... what should I do?
08:26 < MadHunter> Would it be best to skip networking until the install is complete, and then go from there?
08:27 < MadHunter> ugh... so many accounts on, but not a single person available to help
08:28 < kasc> MadHunter: if you dont urgently need networking for installing, just skip that step and rebuild your kernel after the installation with your driver
08:29 < MadHunter> Okay, I figured that's what I'd do, unless there was a driver name that was compatible that I just wasn't seeing in the install
08:29 < MadHunter> kasc: I appreciate the answer!
08:30 < kasc> i'm not into what special NICs are supported by what driver, but if you already had a linux running why not have a look at that linux and how the driver is called?
08:32 < MadHunter> It's the tulip driver called by the kernel itself (built-in). I was just surprised to not see tulip listed in the pre-compiled options on install. I thought it was one of the more common chipsets.
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09:24 < Baldzius> morning
09:25 < rxr> re
09:26 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
09:26 < Baldzius> hi
09:26 < Baldzius> i'm having a little problem
09:27 < Baldzius> when i run create-iso script it stops after "Multiple boot options found!"
09:27 < Baldzius> what does it means?
09:27 < Baldzius> is it done i mean iso image is created
09:27 < Baldzius> but i can't find it :)
09:28 < Baldzius> i did everything as in handbook
09:31 < daja77> moin
10:02 < rxr> Baldzius: what is the create-iso command line you use ?
10:03 < rxr> I think this current first implementation does only handle one bootable cd - so id you try to burn multiple builds with install code this will not yet work
10:03 < rxr> (theoretically on the todo list before 2.0)
10:07 < rxr> argh- the next subversion release will have a database scheme change again
10:07 < rxr> this means a complete dump reload cycle - damn shit
10:09 < rxr> hm - 0.33 has again speed improvements:
10:09 < rxr> * much faster checkouts and updates, over both svn:// and http:// (#1429)
10:10 < Baldzius> rxr i did exactly a in handbook
10:10 < Baldzius> Create-ISO mycdset bootdisk system
10:11 < Baldzius> in isofs.txt there are two tags : BOOT & BOOTx 
10:12 < Baldzius> should i have to delete second one?
10:13 < rxr> hm - no
10:14 < rxr> what target did you selected for the two configs
10:14 < rxr> the one ie really a install target and the second a generic or desktop ?
10:14 < Baldzius> router
10:15 < rxr> ah! - the router is bootable stand-alone
10:16 < rxr> you do not need the install target for it
10:16 < rxr> so just do Create-ISO mycdset system
10:16 < Baldzius> tnx
10:16 < Baldzius> i 'm big looser :)
10:16 < rxr> later (hopefully in some days) the Create-ISO script will also spread multiple boot code segments over different CDs ...
10:17 < rxr> hm - my -rc3 install target finished over night - since when does my server only need 6 hours for the whole install target - strange ...
10:18 < Baldzius> one more, can i control which packages should be included if i select generic target
10:19 < Baldzius> or desktop
10:19 < rxr> yes - select expert options and then you get a entry labelled "Custom package selection"
10:19 < rxr> where you can add your patterns to be mattched for package inclusiong or exclusion
10:19  * rxr off to breakfast ...
10:19 < Baldzius> oh 
10:19 < Baldzius> tnx very much
10:25 < Baldzius> drat in which package is mkisofs ? :)
10:26 < clifford> cdrtools
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10:27 < Baldzius> tnx :)
10:27 < scythe_> hi
10:27 < clifford> hi.
10:27 < AOU> hi clifford 
10:28 < clifford> hi AOU.
10:28 < Baldzius> yeah! i have my first iso :)
10:29 < Baldzius> so now i a noob not looser :)
10:29 < Baldzius> i guess
10:29 < clifford> noob? what's that?
10:30 < Baldzius> AFAIK noob is novice beginer
10:31 < clifford> oh. I think it's a sign of getting old to not beeing up-to-date with geek vobabulary.. ;-)
10:33 < Baldzius> maybe, not sure now :)
10:34 < AOU> aehmm... ./scripts/Emerge-Package broken?
10:34 < AOU> root@ancoras:/mnt/hda6/rock-build# ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep gnucash
10:34 < AOU> Usage: mktemp [-q] [-u] template
10:34 < AOU> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg: line 211: $tmp: ambiguous redirect
10:35 < AOU> and ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg gnucash --> Packages scheduled to build: gnucash
10:35 < AOU> INFO: Found cached mirror URL in download/Mirror:
10:35 < AOU> INFO: http://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/ROCKlinux/ROCK-2.0
10:35 < AOU> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove download/Mirror.
10:35 < AOU> Processing pattern download/*/gnucash/* ...
10:35 < AOU> Matched: download/stefanp/gnucash/gnucash-1.8.7.tar.gz
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10:38 < Baldzius> clifford, is there any plans for distcc support in rock linux as in todo list there is nothing about it
10:39 < Baldzius> as i'm looking at my first iso and it is 8MB size but it tooked 1 good day to compile
10:40 < rxr> hi clifford 
10:41 < clifford> hi rxr.
10:41 < Baldzius> i really enjoy using distcc with gentoo, damn it is so fast compiling across network
10:42 < clifford> Baldzius: distcc only makes sense with "make -j", which is broken for many (most big) packages.
10:42 < AOU> btw, what's the difference, between "Emerge-Pkg -dep package" and "Emerge-Pkg package"?
10:42 < AOU> and: why doesn't it resolv deps?
10:42 < AOU> +e
10:42 < clifford> We _might_ use distcc (or something simmilar) for improving native builds on slow archs:
10:43 < clifford> do everything native - except actual compile which is deligated using distcc(?) to a cross-compiler on a faster machine.
10:44 < clifford> (SuSE is using this aproach for slow archs in their build system)
10:46 < clifford> AOU: Emerge-Pkg -dep should resolve dependencies. (but make a -dry-run first ;-)
10:47 < clifford> Baldzius: you can make a cluster build using ROCK, btw.
10:47 < Baldzius> yeah i know :)
10:48 < AOU> root@ancoras:/mnt/hda6/rock-build# ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run gnucash
10:48 < AOU> Packages scheduled to build: gnucash
10:48 < AOU> hrmpf. "dependencies"
10:49 < clifford> And "./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep -dry-run gnucash" ?
10:50 < AOU> root@ancoras:/mnt/hda6/rock-build# ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep -dry-run gnucash
10:50 < AOU> Packages scheduled to build:  gnucash
10:52 < clifford> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk/package/stefanp/gnucash/gnucash.cache
10:52 < clifford> the package faild in the last reference build and so has no dependency information.
10:52 < AOU> hmm. k. thx
10:55 < Baldzius> btw one more question, let's say i want to do a system update, but i'd like to exclude some packages like kernel and other packages
10:55 < Baldzius> in gentoo portage there is action inject
10:56 < clifford> AOU: What does ./scripts/Check-System output on your system, btw.
10:56 < Baldzius> when package is included manually and package manager tniks that it's installed
10:56 < Baldzius> is it possible in rock?
10:56 < AOU> root@ancoras:/mnt/hda6/rock-build# ./scripts/Check-System
10:56 < AOU> root@ancoras:/mnt/hda6/rock-build#
10:57 < Baldzius> it makes list of packages which are out of date
10:57 < clifford> .. because I've seen an mktemp error in the quoted messages above ...
10:58 < AOU> hmm... i have mktemp 1.5... used the one from rock-trunk... 
10:58 < AOU> ADD: building on slackware-9.1 (with devfs)
10:58 < clifford> [10:33] <AOU> Usage: mktemp [-q] [-u] template
10:59 < AOU> yeah... don't have it again...don't know why. 
10:59 < clifford> hmm.. funny.
10:59 < AOU> yeah. completely
11:05 < clifford> rxr: http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/ .. I have arabic letters on that page using konqueror 3.1.3
11:05 < AOU> *lol*
11:05 < AOU> kewl feature
11:10 < AOU> haeh? gtk+ doesn't want to build???
11:10 < AOU> with an error complaining about gdk-pixbuf (which is installed)
11:15 < netrunne1> moin
11:16 < AOU> hi netrunne1 
11:16 -!- You're now known as netrunner
11:16 < daja77> clifford: huh?
11:19 < clifford> daja77: huh what?
11:21 < daja77> have you selected the wrong charset perhaps?
11:21 < clifford> daja77: it's the only page where that is happening.
11:21 < daja77> strange
11:22 < clifford> In file included from /opt/qt31/include/qobject.h:45,
11:22 < clifford>                  from ../../kdecore/kconfigbase.h:28,
11:22 < clifford>                  from ../../kdecore/kconfig.h:29,
11:22 < clifford>                  from kjs_navigator.cpp:26:
11:22 < clifford> /opt/qt31/include/qevent.h:388: internal error: Segmentation fault
11:22 < clifford> Please submit a full bug report,
11:22 < clifford> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
11:22 < clifford> See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions.
11:22 < clifford> *grml* I _love_ kdelibs. The ulimate ICE testbench ...
11:24 < daja77> hehe should happen with that page too http://www.aljazeera.net/
11:25 < daja77> the arabic rendering is quite good in konqueror
11:25 < clifford> yup.
11:25 < daja77> better than in mozilla
11:26 < daja77> have you seen that photo
11:28 < AOU> fsck... gnome* is quite broken in current HEAD?
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11:29 < daja77> not only there ...
11:29 < AOU> hrmpf. 
11:31 < AOU> since when it is broken like hell? and when are there fixes available?
11:32 < daja77> read the list, or subscribe for commit mails then you'll know more
11:32 < rxr> moin daja77 
11:32 < scythe_> i think there's some problem with 2-gcc2. It requires perl, which will only be built at stage 3...
11:33  * netrunner remembered that he wanted to download mp3streams at the uni
11:33 < daja77> hi rxr :)
11:34 < clifford> scythe_: afair perl is used in the doc creation only which should be turned of for gcc in this stage (as said: afair)
11:34 < netrunner> future now: http://futurezone.orf.at/futurezone.orf?read=detail&id=198614&tmp=30524
11:36 < scythe_> thx, i'll look after this (is it a bug or is it a feature?)
11:36 < daja77> netrunner: yeah
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11:50 < AOU> hi ghost-of-blindcoder
11:53 < scythe_> errrm clifford, how do i turn off doc creation for gcc?
11:53 < mnemoc> rxr: bind and iptables were 'updated' keeping the same version but removing checksum, and modutils was updated without fixing it's patch for dietlibc, i.e. breaking bootdisk
11:54 < mnemoc> hi all
11:55 < mnemoc> clifford: hi, can you give a definitive opinion about my gcc clean up patch?
11:57 < scythe_> gcc2 calls <buildroot>/usr/bin/autoheader, which is a perl script. Why dont the pseudo cross compiler includes a perl interpreter?
12:01 < clifford> s/Use Stack-Smashing Protector when available/Use Stack-Smashing Protector WHEN AVAILABLE/
12:01 < clifford> and simplyfy the var_append code for -fstack-protector:
12:01 < mnemoc> rxr: errata: version of bind was updated but not to the last (i send a patch a week ago), and iptables was updated... both without a damn checksum making stupid conflicts here
12:02 < clifford> just: if "$ROCKCFG_PKG_GCC_STACKPRO"
12:02 < clifford> = 1 ] ; then var_append GCC2_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-fstack-protector"; var_append GCC3_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-fstack-protector"; fi
12:02 < mnemoc> if i hide the questiong when default gcc doesn't have the protector on it's desc_D?
12:02 < mnemoc> that's clean
12:02 < clifford> there is no sense in only appending it for the default compile and not using it if a package - for whatever reason - is using another gcc.
12:02 < clifford> the "default compiler" is just a hint for the package build system.
12:03 < mnemoc> all gccs are always patched to support it
12:03 < clifford> every package is free to use whatever compiler the package wants to use.
12:03 < mnemoc> uhm
12:03 < clifford> but we don't know about future gcc's.
12:03 < clifford> and e.g. gccx isn't.
12:04 < mnemoc> i just think about gccx
12:04 < rxr> mnemoc: sorry about the conflicts
12:04 < mnemoc> the problem is the 'when available', or the 'use it with any gcc'
12:05 < mnemoc> ?
12:05 < AOU> hmmm... 'pwdgen' ??? or so??? someone knows the link for it?
12:05 < mnemoc> modutils thing is bad
12:05 < rxr> I take a look into the patch
12:05 < rxr> or have you already rediffed it ?
12:06 < mnemoc> its in my todo but i can't do it today
12:06 < clifford> "Use GCC Stack-Smashing Protector when available" and add a more detailed explenation to the help text?
12:06 < rxr> ok
12:07 < rxr> ^- to mnemoc 
12:07 < mnemoc> clifford: ok
12:08 < clifford> AOU: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pwgen/
12:08 < mnemoc> rxr: can you? if not, should be reverted until rc3 is tagged
12:12 < mnemoc> gotta go :( ... i'll fix ssp patch and try again for rc4 :)
12:12 < mnemoc> good luck
12:13 < mnemoc> bye rxr, clifford, AOU 
12:13 < rxr> mnemoc: I just test it
12:13 < mnemoc> can be easily adapted?
12:15 < mnemoc> mm.. this.GoWork( now );
12:16 < AOU> clifford: thx
12:39  * AOU shots the next availabe gnome-developer
12:41 < rxr> AOU: why do you try to use gnome ...
12:42 < AOU> rxr: not try using gnome, just need some libraries etc. for running gnucash
12:42 < AOU> and i guess this could be called "self-punishing" *grml*
12:53 < AOU> someone knows this error: ?
12:53 < AOU> gal-0.22/gal/e-table/e-table-field-chooser.c:79: undefined reference to `glade_gnome_init'
12:58 < daja77> seems that libglade is missing
12:59 < AOU> yeah... thx... installed glade, but not libglade... *cough*
13:02 < AOU> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../liboaf -I../liboaf -DOAF_LOCALEDIR=\"/opt/gnome//share/locale\" -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/include/orbit-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -DVERSION=\"0.6.10\" -g -O2 -c oaf-stubs.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o oaf-stubs.o
13:02 < AOU> gcc: oaf-stubs.c: No such file or directory
13:02 < AOU> gcc: no input files
13:02 < AOU> make[1]: *** [oaf-stubs.lo] Error 1
13:02 < AOU> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/oaf-0.6.10/liboaf'
13:02 < AOU> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
13:02 < AOU> and this one?
13:02 < AOU> this is my "beloved" "i will never find something fitting for this error at google.com"-error-crap
13:07 < daja77> you need liboaf
13:07 < daja77> and all the other gnome crap for gnucash
13:09 < AOU> liboaf?
13:09 < daja77> yep
13:09 < AOU> thouth oaf-0.6.10 would be fine?
13:10 < daja77> dunno maybe there is a devel package for that
13:10 < AOU> hmmmm. the problem is, that i can't compilie it... because of the above error...
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13:29 < rxr> AOU: why don't you use some ROCK infrastructure for this?
13:30 < rxr> asking what to do next here should get boring over the time ...
13:30 < daja77> s/should get/is
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13:36 < AOU> rxr: because the "rock infrastructure" just causes .err-files
13:41 < daja77> not here
13:42 < AOU> daja77: well doing what exactly? a "./scripts/Emerge-Pkg oaf10" causes an error
13:52 < AOU> <- afk
14:04 < scythe_> what does this "found shared files with other packages" build error means?
14:05 < daja77> it means that another packages created files with the same names
14:06 < scythe_> 00-dirtree created the same as 3-ncurses? And y it is a fatal (*.err) build error?
14:06 < daja77> O_o
14:09 < scythe_> i just love these informative (aberations) abrevations...
14:09 < scythe_> how can i avoid this error?
14:10 < daja77> which rev?
14:11 < scythe_> -i meant for an other prob im working on parellel> os390...
14:11 < scythe_> so do u know a way avoiding this shared files build error?
14:21 < scythe_> so any solution?
14:23 < daja77> which rev?
14:25 < scythe_> SMP is not for Simultan Multi Processing, it is for System Modification Program - eg a binary patch
14:26 < scythe_> i didnt understand firstly in the documentation
14:30 < scythe_> now *every* package build fails because of shared files with 00-dirtree, why the heck?
14:31 < daja77> argh which rev has this error?
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14:32 < scythe_> sorrrrrrry, i thought u were asking bout the abrevation .... ;-)))
14:33 < scythe_> 1701
14:33 < daja77> could you please update and restart agian
14:34 < scythe_> the whole build?
14:34 < daja77> yes
14:34 < scythe_> well, it wont took more than 2 days
14:34 < scythe_> but ok
14:34 < daja77> if you are in stage 3 now, you haven't lost much
14:35 < scythe_> maybe, but it took me some time to hack gcc and glibc working
14:36 < scythe_> and clifford also pointed a bug in flwrapper for me
14:36 < daja77> hmmmm
14:36 < scythe_> uh, im doing a port
14:38 < scythe_> so it can be my fault, not the old rev's
14:38 < scythe_> the error said /vat/tmp was the problematic shared file
14:39 < scythe_> /var/tmp - i'll learn to type
15:20 < daja77> emerging apache and subversion always links against the wrong bdb, d'oh
15:36 < rolla> re
15:36 < daja77> hi rolla
15:37 < daja77> root@atuin:/scratch/rc2/trunk# svn up
15:37 < daja77> Speicherzugriffsfehler (core dumped)
15:37 < rolla> the world is stupied
15:37 < daja77> yep
15:38 < rolla> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3269597.stm
15:44 < daja77> so what
16:03 < rolla> you can't say anything bad about jewish people without being a anti-semtic
16:03 < rolla> it is crap
16:03 < rolla> they have done bad things in the past just like every other group
16:03 < daja77> well that was not the point here
16:04 < daja77> he said crap, lots of it, my heart doesn't bleed for him
16:04 < rolla> was it more than they quoted him saying?
16:05 < daja77> yes
16:05 < rolla> okay what they quote him saying is fact 
16:07 < daja77> he said the jewish are a people of perpetrators
16:08 < rolla> well in some way he can be prove right
16:08 < rolla> it all depends on how you look at it
16:08 < rolla> ask a person from the west bank and they will agree with him
16:08 < daja77> would you like the americans as a people of killers or sth like that
16:09 < daja77> americans bein called even
16:09 < rolla> it can be said
16:09 < daja77> it is stupid putting this on the peoples level
16:09 < rolla> the american idians where hunted down and kill by us
16:10 < rolla> we pushed them onto small areas where they die
16:10 < daja77> but they are part of your people now as well
16:10 < rolla> in some ways yes in others no
16:10 < rolla> they now get special treatment 
16:11 < rolla> just as people that came from slave want to be treated special due to there past
16:12 < rolla> daja77: you take anything to an extreme and it can be bad
16:12 < daja77> btw if you want to read what he said http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/co/15981/1.html
16:13 < rolla> danke
16:13 < rxr> re
16:13 < rolla> re rxr
16:14 < daja77> wb rxr
16:17 < daja77> rxr: /me now trying to do a minimal build with apache + subversion to see if the linkage errors persist in the gems
16:25 < rxr> ok
16:26 < daja77> when they work i could upload the gems
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16:55 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:58 < daja77> blindcoder: hi i guess lvp is still too big ;-)
16:58  * daja77 now burning with too small movies
16:59 < blindcoder> daja77: that's why I wrote "for DVDs" :D
17:01 < blindcoder> daja77: want to see a "funny" error message?
17:05 < daja77> hehe oki
17:05 < daja77> well videos are small enough to fit on cdrom
17:05 < blindcoder> creating libglade-scan
17:05 < blindcoder> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
17:05 < blindcoder> Scan failed
17:06 < blindcoder> 5-libglade14 fairs with this during a Build-Target >_<
17:06 < blindcoder> fails*
17:06 < daja77> yeah saw that yesterday
17:24 < daja77> cool now two laptops playing videos having lvp cds in it
17:31  * daja77 off to clug meeting
17:36 < rxr> blindcoder: the regression tester now knows about this kind of error type:
17:36 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/regtest/reference/2003-11-12/
17:36 < rxr> big and red ...
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18:40 < blindcoder> rxr: nice. I'm going to try to debug that after dinner
18:43 < rxr> hehe
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19:28 < rxr> hi tcr 
19:28 < tcr> moin rxr et al
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20:36 < rxr> hi fake 
20:41 < fake> hi rene
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21:09 < netrunner> is the standard 75 chars linewidth including newline?
21:12 < fake> usually printable characters
21:14 < rxr> hi martin_ 
21:16 < netrunner> fake: ah, ok.
21:22 < martin_> hi rxr
21:24 < rxr> martin_: how is your gtk*buttons* package doing?
21:31 < rxr> hm - somewhere ROCK Linux must be in the news
21:31 < rxr> my http traffic increased extremely three days ago ...
21:33 < rxr> 50MB / day
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21:35 < martin_> rxr: Aehm, I have not time for it. And ... there are all infos for create packages in the handbook?
21:35 < rxr> the basics, yes
21:35 < rxr> it is really really easy - if it compiles by the usual configure ; make ; make install cycle
21:35 < rxr> you only need some ascii tags
21:36 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch18.html
21:39 < martin_> ahh, okay. I'll read it. But I have not real time. But I'll test it.
21:44 < rxr> no real time?
21:44 < rxr> why are you so busy?
21:45 < netrunner> martin_: ask daja77, he has to do with real time patches afaik ;)
21:45  * netrunner notices his build server can encode tracks faster than ripping them.
21:48 < martin_> I dont' know ... Hmmm, Thursday is the big Uni-Party (we must go shopping) and Tuesday a DSY-Test. And GST and and and ...
21:49 < rxr> do we have tests in GST?
21:49 < rxr> or just the usual learning ?
21:49 < rxr> btw will you attend the demo tomorrow at the "Brandenburger Tor"?
21:50 < martin_> rxr: lerning, but this is enough for me
21:50 < martin_> Hmmm, it's the TU Demo?
21:51 < rxr> nope it is _the big_ demo
21:51 < rxr> I think of all uni's - but I'm against further reductoins in the "bildungsbereich" - so I attend whoever organized it ...
21:53 < martin_> rxr: Die TU-Berlin wird aufgrund eines Beschlusses der Vollversammlung vom 5.11.2003 bestreikt. Informationen zum Streik, wo und wann die n?chste Aktion stattfindet und wie du mitmachen kannst, .... 
21:54 < martin_> rxr: It's a TU problem. Today. We will see ...
21:54 < rxr> aeh? what is your last sentence about?
21:55 < martin_> Hmmm, but it's possible, to become a "Streiksemester" ...
21:55 < rxr> I do not support some kind of wired "Streik" - although some actions are quite funny
21:56 < rxr> it is not a tu problem - it is a problem for all universities 
21:56 < rxr> and altugh the tfh is not directly affect in this case - we have been infected in the past and will in the future
21:57 < rxr> so supporting such a big movement currently will contribute to showing the politicans our mind
21:58 < rxr> or do you plan a 266 people demo when the tfh will get less money next year and the unis are not affected next year? ...
21:58 < martin_> rxr: auf der morgigen Demo geht es aber speziell um die TU, da die FU und HU meinten, die TU habe mehr geld und man solle ohr erst mal Geld weggnehmen ...
22:00 < rxr> Große Soli-Demo
22:00 < rxr>  Treffpunkt: Brandenburger Tor Start: 13.00 Uhr Ziel: Rotes Rathaus Gegen Kürzungen im Bildungs- und Sozialbereich. Wir protestieren gegen Studiengebühren und Studienkonten. 
22:00 < rxr> who says this is just for the tu?
22:01 < rxr> and if your words (where are they from?) are the final words from the fu and hu people this is really really unsozial
22:01 < rxr> should the tu say hey now the hu gets most money their heap can be reduced this year? This does not make sense ...+
22:01 < martin_> rxr: Hmmm, the tfh AStA say. Okay, I must read ...
22:02 < rxr> haha - the tfh asta - oh my ...
22:04 < fake> byq
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22:23 < martin_> gn8 rxr, gn8 all
22:26 < netrunner> n8 martin_ 
22:30 < rxr> martin_: n8 - did you found more info about tommorrow ?
22:54 < martin_> rxr: no
22:54 < martin_> bye
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23:47 < rxr> hm - boring tonight ...
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