--- Log opened Sam Nov 15 00:00:03 2003
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00:02 < A-Tui> hi all
00:03 < rxr> hi A-Tui 
00:03 < A-Tui> hola rxr
00:18 < rxr> 2.0.0-rc2 released
00:19 < A-Tui> :)
00:22 < rxr> and -rc3 next week
00:38 < rxr> freshmeat announcement submitted
00:43 < daja77> re
00:43 < rxr> hi daja77 
00:44 < daja77> so you moved the isos to official?
00:44 < rxr> daja77: just doing
00:45 < daja77> btw you should rename incomming to incoming ;-)
00:45 < rxr> oh
00:46 < rxr> thanks
00:46 < daja77> np :)
01:04 < daja77> stage 5 of minimal break due missing sed O_o
01:05 < rxr> hm? build error - or missing in the package list ?
01:07 < daja77> every package throws sth like this
01:07 < daja77> /R.work/build/generic-2.0.0-rc3-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/tools.chroot/wrapper/cp: line 1: sed: command not found
01:07 < daja77> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 1: sed: command not found
01:07 < daja77> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 109: sed: command not found
01:07 < daja77> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-findutils.out -> 5-findutils.err
01:07 < daja77> /R.work/build/generic-2.0.0-rc3-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/tools.chroot/wrapper/mv: line 1: sed: command not found
01:07 < daja77> == 11/14/03 19:14:25 =[5]=> Aborted building package findutils.
01:10 < rxr> ok - me off to bed in some secods ...
01:12 < daja77> will have a look tomorrow, sleep well
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01:32 < rxr> hi k3t_ 
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02:18 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
02:18 < rxr> pong
02:18 < rxr> me just of to bed ...
02:18 < mnemoc> :)
02:18 < rxr> off even ...
02:19 < mnemoc> did modutil build there?
02:19 < rxr> me was just hacking on a svn statistic, first tries:
02:19 < rxr> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/test.png
02:19 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - but AFAIHS only due to some x86_64 changes
02:19 < rxr> if you want to take a look
02:19 < rxr> otherwise I would today (after sleep) and if it is too ugly revert the update ...
02:20 < mnemoc> but.... you already tag it
02:20 < mnemoc> nice svn graph :)
02:20 < rxr> I tagged it?
02:21 < rxr> I munched arround in the -rc2 tag (branch ;-)
02:21 < rxr> but the -rc3 tag is not yet done
02:21 < mnemoc> aaa... ok :)
02:21 < mnemoc> i thought you had tagged rc3 
02:22 < rxr> no - I just finalized () the -rc2 to get this delayed child out ...
02:22 < rxr> you really like the svn activity graph ?
02:23 < mnemoc> great idea
02:23 < mnemoc> san-avision is quite 'off-topic' and it's vertical is weird
02:24 < rxr> why is it off-topic?
02:24 < rxr> this vertical line is due to I converted 80 or so incremental patchs into the repository during the first day ...
02:24 < mnemoc> it's in your topic ;) not mine
02:25 < rxr> iy the flyspray repository more in your topic ?
02:25 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/flyspray/trunk/
02:25 < mnemoc> nope :) .... i didn't saw it
02:26 < mnemoc> but, why mixing them all?
02:26 < rxr> I hope the flyspary maintainer likes the subversion repository there - would be really cool PR to host external projects ...
02:27 < mnemoc> flyspray is officialy there?
02:27 < mnemoc> cool
02:27 < mnemoc> forge.rocklinux.org ;)
02:28 < rxr> I just thought about a general overview - just for fun - if I would only add rock lnux related ones we would have one big rock-linux chart and some tiny drippling rockplug ccbench and mine onces ...
02:28 < rxr> linux even ... damn I need sloop
02:28 < rxr> sleep - argh
02:28 < rxr> ok - I think we need after sleep on my side ...
02:28 < rxr> cu
02:28 < rxr> n8 *
02:28 < mnemoc> agree
02:29 < mnemoc> gn8
02:30 < mnemoc> forge.rl.org? rockforge.rl.org??? ... can be a very good idea
02:32 < mnemoc> "free svn space for rock-related oss"
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05:01 < mnemoc> n8
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08:53 < iceofthefarwest> How's everyone?
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09:51 < blindcoder> WEE
09:52 < blindcoder> libglade10 finally compiles here :)
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10:25 < netrunner> moin
10:25 < daja77> moin
10:25 < netrunner> daja77: /me was faster :)
10:25 < iceofthefarwest> Good morning
10:25 < blindcoder> moin moin
10:25 < netrunner> iceofthefarwest: not yet molten? ;)
10:27 < daja77> blindcoder: i had lots of fun with lvp on a thinkpad yesterday
10:28 < blindcoder> daja77: fun compililng or fun using?
10:28 < iceofthefarwest> netrunner: Give me about 15mins till this build is finished, and I'll tell ya ;)
10:28 < daja77> fun using, the display showed some interestinmg patterns when switching to x
10:29 < blindcoder> daja77: hrm... did it work?
10:29 < daja77> no
10:29 < blindcoder> :(
10:29 < daja77> dmesg said hw acceleration support is not available for that chipset
10:30 < blindcoder> I really have to start dissecting knoppix and copy their method of creating a XF86Config file
10:30 < daja77> but knoppix fails on some machines too :)
10:30 < blindcoder> hm... hw accel isn't really necessary...
10:31 < daja77> it also said video mode must be programmed at boot timme ...
10:31 < blindcoder> hmm... okay, that's worse...
10:33 < daja77> so atm 3 out f 4 machines worked woth the target
10:33 < blindcoder> cool :)
10:34 < daja77> yep, the only thing i miss is audio controls
10:34 < blindcoder> Up till now I only tested lvp with "normal" x86 machines. Haven't had a laptop to test with yet
10:34  * daja77 only tested with laptops
10:34 < blindcoder> *point taken and added to TODO*
10:35 < iceofthefarwest> xiTK WARNING(xitk_font_load_font:429): xitk_font_load_font(): XLoadQueryFont() failed
10:35 < iceofthefarwest> xiTK DIE: create_labelofbutton()@121: xitk_font_load_font() failed. Exiting
10:35 < blindcoder> But I hope I'l get my Travelmate 800 next week :)
10:35 < daja77> there some strange error messages which were confusing the users though
10:36 < blindcoder> I'm sure there are... even I don't understand some of them :P
10:36 < daja77> :)
10:37 < blindcoder> daja77: I now put up the automizer script. So now you can (theoretically) build the LVP without having to do anything yourself :)
10:37 < daja77> cool
10:38 < daja77> ah that reminds me that the script which should automatically creates the xml output, created none here
10:39 < blindcoder> INFO: download from mirror failed, trying direct.
10:39 < blindcoder> SWEET :)
10:39 < daja77> hehe
10:40 < blindcoder> daja77: hrm? did it spew any error-messages?
10:40 < daja77> it said no files found, but there were some
10:40 < blindcoder> what filenames?
10:41 < daja77> .mpg, .mpgeg, .mov
10:41 < blindcoder> IIRC the current one nly recognizes *.avi and *.mpg
10:41  * daja77 added .mpgeg and .mov ^^
10:41 < daja77> .mpeg of course
10:42 < blindcoder> hrm... I should add some error-checking to it... did you start it with "./target/lvp_boot/lvpxml.sh lvp" ?
10:42 < blindcoder> it needs the name of the configuration as $1
10:43 < daja77> ah k. missed that somehow, was in a hurry yesterday
10:43 < daja77> may I ask why it needs this param?
10:43 < blindcoder> I have to go to bitz today... there I have an updated version
10:44 < blindcoder> daja77: it reads the ${ROCKCFG_ID} from config/*/config
10:45 < netrunner> did someone do a rc2 release build for p-mmx? I could test it here ..
10:45 < daja77> it is on the rocklinux hp
10:45 < netrunner> oh ... I have an a week old build, I guess I'll take that.
10:45 < daja77> the isos are ready
10:46  * daja77 off now, cu later
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11:18 < johnjj> hi
11:19 < christian__> ji johnjj
11:19 < johnjj> i have a short question
11:19 < johnjj> where do i get more information about updating rocklinux ?
11:19 < christian__> ff2a ;) 
11:19 < christian__> handbook ;)
11:20 < johnjj> i looked into the rocklinux-handbook, but doesn't really find something about that
11:20 < johnjj> really ?
11:20 < johnjj> hm
11:20 < christian__> I too
11:20 < johnjj> and an other question
11:20 < johnjj> :)
11:20 < christian__> I doesnt find something real usefull too
11:20 < christian__> i have asked rxr then how to use the update scripts
11:20 < johnjj> so we have to wait :D
11:21 < johnjj> i try this 
11:21 < christian__> he wrote me a long email but i havent it anymore
11:21 < johnjj> but i m getting errors
11:21 < christian__> which?
11:22 < johnjj> what can i do, when a package which is build reports, that it have shared files with other packages?
11:22 < johnjj> and then it aborts
11:23 < christian__> no idea sorry :/ i dont use rock anymore
11:23 < johnjj> ok, thats a way :D
11:23 < johnjj> what do you use?
11:23  * christian__ is a SuSE guy again
11:24 < johnjj> oh, man - i can't believe this ...
11:24 < christian__> why?
11:24 < johnjj> i got my first experiences which SuSE
11:25 < johnjj> and they were all bad
11:25 < christian__> hmmm I only made positive experiences
11:25 < johnjj> so thats ok
11:26 < johnjj> so you are using kde ?
11:26 < christian__> so lets be happy that there are many distributions on the market we are able to use
11:26 < johnjj> i guess so :)
11:26 < christian__> of course, see my kde related 'homepage' www.qtforum.org ;)
11:26 < johnjj> sure - i have no problem with that
11:26 < johnjj> oh, ok
11:26 < christian__> you use gnome i guess
11:27 < johnjj> true
11:27 < rxr> when a package has shared files - this is just a report from the build system that the files (listed) are owned by two or more packages
11:27 < rxr> when do you get this?
11:27 < johnjj> rxr: mom pls
11:27 < christian__> how I said: rxr knows everything ;)
11:28 < johnjj> i try to update from 2.0.0-rc1 to rc3
11:28 < blindcoder> well, if our Lesser Poobah doesn't know, then who else should? :)
11:28 < johnjj> the error is when i try to build libgnome
11:28 < rxr> ah ...
11:28 < johnjj> it has shared files with gnome-vfs
11:29 < rxr> how do you perform the update? You have all the CDs installed and now do a Update-System or so?
11:29 < johnjj> they are gconf-xml-defaults in etc
11:29 < johnjj> yes - i installed per cds
11:30 < johnjj> and now i try to update with Update-System
11:30 < johnjj> so how do i have to perform, when a packagebuild fails ?
11:31 < rxr> hm - the gnome22 to gnome24 updates will make some problems
11:31 < johnjj> hm - ok
11:31 < rxr> hm - ah no they won't ...
11:31 < johnjj> :) 
11:31 < rxr> do you use the latest Suvbersion revision ?
11:32 < johnjj> ? - Update-Src ?
11:32 < johnjj> -> yesterday
11:32 < rxr> ah ok
11:33 < rxr> do you get many of those shared file errors?
11:33 < johnjj> how can i remove gnome2 then ? - and how can i build a package (tar) from all ?
11:33 < johnjj> maybe - i take a look
11:34 < rxr> if they are only a few ignore them and send the error logs to me
11:34 < rxr> rene@rocklinux-consulting.de
11:35 < rxr> do you want a tar ball per installed gnome24 package or a tarball of the whole /opt/gnome24 tree ?
11:35 < johnjj> ok - thx 
11:35 < johnjj> the whole rock :) per package
11:36 < rxr> uhm - you have the /var/adm/flists/*
11:36 < johnjj> mom
11:36 < johnjj> yes
11:36 < rxr> do some bash loop processing the flists and calling tar for each package
11:36 < johnjj> ah - thx
11:37 < rxr> johnjj: I need to shower and take breakfast, if you have questions regarding creating the tar packages send me an mail - or write in a querry
11:37 < rxr> cu all later
11:37 < johnjj> thank you
11:37 < johnjj> have a nice weekend
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12:16 < mnemoc> re
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12:18 < LocalHero> Hi all
12:18 < LocalHero> rxr, hi, are you there?
12:19 < mnemoc> hi LocalHero 
12:20 < LocalHero> mnemoc: whats up?
12:20 < LocalHero> Have anybody got a clue why the calender dont work if you compile evolution on your own with garnome?
12:21 < mnemoc> no idea :|
12:35 < LocalHero> is it safe to install a newer compiler? I mean i wont break anything right?
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13:32 < mnemoc> how can i grep -e "(this|orthis|orthat)" file ?
13:32 < mnemoc> in one grep :)
13:42 < cytrinox`> moin
13:42 < mnemoc> moin
13:43 < netrunner> oh. http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-11-13-new-life-usat_x.htm
13:44 < mnemoc> damn Scientists :(
13:45 < netrunner> mnemoc: man grep. I guess grep -e this|orthis|orthat or something
13:45 < mnemoc> doesn't work :\
13:45 < johnjj> hi all
13:46 < mnemoc> i did with with sed... i'll try again with grep after sleep
13:46 < mnemoc> hi jjj
13:46 < johnjj> short question: where do the build-scripts get the sysconfdir-var from ?
13:47 < johnjj> have trouble with samba here
13:47 < mnemoc> it's generated
13:47 < mnemoc> what sysconfdir are you getting?
13:48 < johnjj> i guess none ...
13:48 < johnjj> mnemoc: use grep -E 'pattern1|pattern2' 
13:49 < johnjj> i tried it - here its works
13:49 < mnemoc> -E? thanks
13:49 < johnjj> -E is extended regular as man says :)
13:50 < johnjj> i greped the package-dir about $sysconfdir
13:50 < mnemoc> i have etc/smb.conf, etc/lmhosts,  etc/private
13:51 < johnjj> but the rc-script is looking somewhere else 
13:52 < mnemoc> mmm
13:52 < mnemoc> opt
13:52 < mnemoc> but runs for /usr/sbin..... mmmm
13:53 < mnemoc> s/for/from/
13:53 < johnjj> and i get errors because smbd tries to save his pids in /usr/local/....
13:53 < mnemoc> wtf?
13:54 < mnemoc> mmm
13:54 < johnjj> it tried a little bit around ...
13:54 < mnemoc> when did you build samba? what rev?
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13:54 < johnjj> this is history but smbd wont still start
13:55 < johnjj> i think its up to date
13:55 < johnjj> i try to rebuild
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13:56 < johnjj> but do you know, where the sysconfdir is set ?
13:57 < mnemoc> set_confopt at scripts/function
13:57 < mnemoc> considering prefix
13:57 < mnemoc> as prefix is not set at .conf file, usr is asumed
13:58 < mnemoc> if prefix==usr, sysconfdir=etc/
13:58  * mnemoc wonder why samba is outside opt....
14:00 < johnjj> i still work me into rock - so if a package fails to build under Update-System
14:00 < johnjj> do i have to run Update-System again, or can i Emerge-Pkg only
14:00 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg
14:01 < daja77> Ermerg-Pkg will be enough
14:01 < mnemoc> hi daja
14:01 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
14:01 < johnjj> oh - thx
14:04 < johnjj> how does the build-scripts work if there are shared-files-errors? do they install the files into a tmp-dir, or check the makefile before copy them?
14:05 < mnemoc> share-files are detected AFTER instalation
14:06 < johnjj> hm - but they wont be overwritin, or ?
14:06 < mnemoc> they are overwritten, that's why packages that do that are considered broken
14:06 < johnjj> so the next files will be written too ...
14:07 < mnemoc> yep
14:07 < mnemoc> both packages will fail
14:08 < johnjj> ok - thx
14:08 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg does backup /etc files for being restored after installation
14:08 < johnjj> good to know
14:08 < johnjj> where ?
14:08 < mnemoc> don't know :)
14:08 < johnjj> :D
14:16 < mnemoc> thanks johnjj ... grep is much faster than sed :)
14:17 < johnjj> no prob - good to know
14:21 < mnemoc> 0.070s vs. 0.012s :)
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14:40 < mnemoc> mmmm... ${1%%[0-9]} works as ${1%[0-9]}..... maybe i need to sleep
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14:56 < fake> moin
14:59 < johnjj> moin
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15:09  * blindcoder back
15:11 < daja77> hi fake
15:13 < fake> hi daja77 
15:14 < fake> blindcoder: is there a backup of old apollo's cvs repository somewhere?
15:14 < blindcoder> fake: I have a backup of the complete apollo sans /lib directory
15:15 < fake>  /var ?
15:15 < blindcoder> sure
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15:16 < fake> can you somehow give me access to the 'old' bWF2 sources?
15:16 < fake> i implemented that signup mail stuff there once, and i'd need it now
15:16 < blindcoder> just a maoment
15:16 < fake> thx
15:16 < fake> a simple cvs export or even the repos would be fine
15:20 < blindcoder> hmm... strange... seems like the backup still resides on technik-03
15:23 < blindcoder> fake: when do you need that data?
15:26 < fake> blindcoder: i wanted to implement that tomorrow
15:26 < blindcoder> fake: okay, I'm at bitz this evening, I'll copy the old /var into your home then
15:29 < fake> just /var/lib/cvs (or wherever it was) would completely suffice ;)
15:29 < blindcoder> ok
15:30 < fake> thanks in advance!
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15:31 < fake> cya daja77 
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15:56 < rxr> oOoO my gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server currently pushes 5.3 MB/s into the net ...
15:57 < blindcoder> nice
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17:33 < LocalHero> Hi all
17:35 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
17:40 < johnjj> rxr: i remember something
17:41 < johnjj> i inserted a line into the /etc/ld.so.conf - /opt/gnome24/lib before /opt/*/lib
17:41 < johnjj> because a package found an older glib
17:41 < johnjj> i hope its useful
17:42 < johnjj> for me it works now
17:45 < daja77> hi rxr
17:46 < daja77> seems we have a big problem in rc2
17:48 < rxr> daja77: hm ?
17:49 < LocalHero> A while ago somebody mentioned how you could enable shutdown for ordenary users. Doesn anybody remember how?
17:49 < daja77> rxr: non kde apps do not start up due fontconfig problem
17:51 < rxr> you mean gnoem ones and so on ?
17:51 < daja77> gnome apps, mozilla ...
17:51 < daja77> sorry that i couldn't test such crap earlier
17:52 < rxr> hm - the gnome stuff should be because some permission conflict - the /etc/opt/gnome2/gconf stuff is not world read-able (I guess)
17:53 < rxr> if you find out how to fix this we will put it into an errata
17:53 < rxr> we are a months ahead and we will have -rc3 in a week ...
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17:54 < daja|laptop> Fontconfig error: line 21: not well-formed (invalid token)
17:54 < daja|laptop> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
17:54 < daja|laptop>  [ blindcoder   ] [ elon  ] [ LocalHero] [ rolla    ] [ true] 
17:55 < daja|laptop> argh sorry
18:07 < LocalHero> Hmm, an amd duron 1200mhz processor, what optimazion can it us? amd athlon 4,xp, mp?!? or just amd athlon?
18:07 < daja77> just athlon to be safe
18:08 < LocalHero> daja77, oki :)
18:14 < LocalHero> got to go, cya all
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20:17 [ [anders] ] [ blindcoder   ] [ esden  ] [ netrunne1] [ scoopex  ] [ true] 
20:17 [ _spectre_] [ Christian____] [ hannes ] [ netrunner] [ SMP      ] 
20:17 [ Aard     ] [ cytrinox`    ] [ kasc   ] [ nookie   ] [ snyke    ] 
20:17 [ AOU      ] [ daja77       ] [ mistik1] [ rolla    ] [ tcr      ] 
20:17 [ aszlig   ] [ elon         ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr      ] [ trekkie3k] 
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20:36 < netrunne1> daja77: ccbench finds out the best optimization.
20:36 -!- You're now known as netrunner
20:37 < daja77> k. thx
20:37 < tcr> moin all
20:38 < netrunner> hi tcr 
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20:44  * netrunner updating k3b
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21:01 < AOU> hm. moin
21:01 < true> moin AOU  :p
21:02 < AOU> true: blll ;p
21:02  * netrunner get's another ice cream
21:03 < AOU> .oO(all those junkies here...)
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21:25 < Robin_Root> Hi, isn't there Mike?!
21:26 < esden> ok ... svn rulez badly! ;)
21:26 < esden> that is sure now!
21:26 < esden> hi all sbtw
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21:33 < max_> I want to know if is there a desktop release ?
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21:36 < netrunner> where do I put a .c file that is a needed addition to a package?
21:36 < netrunner> scripts/Download complains about not knowing the filetype :/
21:41 < netrunner> argl. forget it.
21:46 < AOU> hi esden 
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22:14 < netcrow> hi
22:17  * netrunner considers the 'net' praefix for a nickname used in net-worked communities
22:18 < netrunner> s/(considers) (the)/\1 to register \2/
22:19 < netcrow> hehe ;)
22:19 < nookie> Hi AOU!
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22:27 < AOU> hi nookie 
22:29 < nookie> Hossa AOU 
22:29 < nookie> Err
22:30 < AOU> hossa?! O_o
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22:55  * netrunner starting a local cluster build
23:03 < rxr> re
23:12 < daja77> wb rxr
23:14 < netrunner> hi rxr
23:15  * netrunner waits if he will be bashed for inserting + and - in a package name
23:18  * blindcoder bashes netrunner so he doesn't have to wait anymore :)
23:21 < rxr> netrunner: nope - other packages have them too - looks fine
23:21 < rxr> netrunner: I hope I never bashed you ... - but the patches will be appleid tomorrow
23:21 < rxr> I want to get sleep now ... and to tag -rc3 before I perform new additions and updates ...
23:21 < rxr> n8 all
23:22 < rxr> damn make fluff
23:22 < blindcoder> make rene go to sleep :-)
23:22 < netrunner> rxr: no problem, it need's a bit more than that to make me mad ;)
23:22 < netrunner> rxr: sleep well
23:22 < rxr> the damned gimp package stalled my rs6k just because the date was not correclty set and thus it just hand arround
23:23 < rxr> s/hand/hang/
23:23 < rxr> yup - wishes good dreams for everyone here ...
23:23 < daja77> n8 rxr
23:36 < netrunner> are those 54MBit wlan cards compatible to the 11MBit stuff?
23:41 < netrunner> netrunner: yes.
23:42 < daja77> ;-)
23:42 < netrunner> 20c3 beta-site: http://www.digital.udk-berlin.de/~tim/20C3/index.de.html
23:44 < daja77> cool
23:46  * netrunner trading insider infos ;)
23:53  * daja77 thank you for that
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