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--- Log opened Mon Nov 17 00:00:38 2003 00:07 * netrunner going to bed. 01:33 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD950288F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:38 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-uivequ2.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:40 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD90056CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 01:49 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: vegai, k3t_, [anders], hannes, _spectre_, blindcoder, esden, puzzled, rxr, snyke, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 01:49 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-064-143.arcor-ip.net] has quit Connection reset by peer 01:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc, hannes 01:51 -!- Netsplit over, joins: k3t_, vegai, blindcoder, snyke, SMP, [anders], esden, rxr, aszlig, _spectre_ 02:10 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-064-224.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:11 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:24 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: [anders], k3t_, blindcoder, esden, SMP 02:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: k3t_, blindcoder, esden, [anders], SMP 02:25 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: [anders], k3t_, vegai, blindcoder, esden, rxr, SMP, snyke, aszlig 02:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: k3t_, blindcoder, esden, [anders], SMP, vegai, snyke 02:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aszlig 02:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 03:15 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-uivequ2.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit Connection timed out 06:04 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD950288F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 06:10 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rxr 06:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 06:44 < AOU> moin 07:02 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-182.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:07 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a1b.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:20 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: scoopex, _spectre_, aszlig 07:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: scoopex, aszlig 07:23 -!- _spectre_ [cnydesm@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:24 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-069.arcor-ip.net] has quit No route to host 08:30 < rxr> re 08:30 < rxr> moin AOU 08:35 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a1b.adsl.terralink.de] has quit Remote closed the connection 08:37 < AOU> moin rxr 08:37 < AOU> rxr: how are you? 09:38 < netrunner> moin 09:44 < AOU> moin netrunner 09:45 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:47 < AOU> moin clifford ! 09:47 < clifford> moin. 09:47 < netrunner> hi clifford 09:48 * clifford has tummy-ache ... :-( 09:48 < clifford> hi netrunner. 09:49 < AOU> clifford: get on well soon 09:54 < netrunner> tummy? that ketchup company? 09:54 < AOU> netrunner: "bauchschmerzen" 09:56 < netrunner> AOU: hey, I made a joke. but doesn't work on monday morning ;) 09:57 < AOU> ah so 10:20 < netrunner> kde is suicide endangered? 3358 ? S 0:00 kdeinit: dcopserver --nosid --suicide 10:42 < daja77> moin 10:42 < vegai> hmm, my system's got a newer version of head and tail, which don't accept -xx-parameters 10:43 < vegai> head: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1' 10:43 < vegai> ...and so forth. 10:50 < vegai> anyone know if this has been fixed in the later versions (I was trying 2.0-rc2 now) 10:50 * daja77 doesn't know 10:54 < netrunner> vegai: what version of tail (coreutils) do you have? 10:56 < vegai> 5.0.91 10:56 < vegai> anything from 5.0 up has that obsoleted, I think 10:58 < netrunner> vegai: I wonder where you found that. https://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/coreutils/ only has 5.0 10:59 < netrunner> vegai: what dist/os do you run? 10:59 < vegai> yeah, this is an evil hacked one 11:00 < vegai> but still, 5.0 also has -xx obsoleted 11:00 < vegai> (I downgraded just now) 11:17 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.218.72.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:18 < netrunner> vegai: I have 5.0 here. and I get no such error message. 11:19 < netrunner> -n, --lines=NUMBER 11:19 < netrunner> print first NUMBER lines instead of first 10 11:19 < netrunner> from the head manpage 11:19 < netrunner> nothing about obsolete or deprecated. 11:20 < netrunner> vegai: maybe you have multiple coreutils in your path? 11:26 < vegai> no... just one 11:26 < vegai> odd 11:27 < vegai> netrunner: eg. tail -10 doesn't complain there? 11:38 -!- cytrinox`- [~cytrinox@p213.54.198.232.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 11:41 < rxr> re 11:43 < netrunner> vegai: no 11:43 < netrunner> hi rxr 11:47 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F558.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:47 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801E4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Nick collision from services. 11:48 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 12:18 < vegai> hmm, ok... so, if I want to use the prebuilt ISOs, do I need all three? 12:32 < daja77> yes 12:33 < netrunner> daja77: I disagree. 12:34 < netrunner> vegai: you can also use only the first, but you can then only install packages that reside on the first :) 12:34 < netrunner> vegai: and they are basically alphabetically distributed, then by best fit optimized. 12:34 < clifford> gasgui and Create-ISO still don't have support for grouping packages on CDs so we can create a "base" CD and various add-on CDs. 12:35 < daja77> netrunner: linux2x packages are on the second cd 12:35 < daja77> hi clifford :) 12:35 < netrunner> daja77: well, if he _needs_ linux2x, then he needs the 2nd cd :) 12:35 < clifford> hi, btw. 12:36 < daja77> you can't boot from abiword so ... 12:36 < netrunner> daja77: have you tried? 12:36 < daja77> nope 12:36 < daja77> maybe you can boot with emacs 12:36 < netrunner> daja77: so ... 12:36 < netrunner> daja77: that I wouldn't try ;) 12:36 < daja77> netrunner: it is not our job to confuse newbies here ;-) 12:36 < clifford> .. the real reason why we need support for BSD kernels ... ;-) 12:37 < netrunner> grub could be on the first cd .. :) 12:37 < daja77> *shudder* 12:37 < netrunner> hahaha 12:43 * daja77 off again 13:01 -!- AOU is now known as channelDragon 13:29 * netrunner is on the trace of his cluster-error 13:29 < netrunner> s/error/bug 14:25 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-182.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 14:25 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-182.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:25 < netrunner> argl, lost track 14:27 < cytrinox> moin 14:33 < clifford> https://fun.drno.de/pics/english/C_17_Landing.jpg *lol* 14:42 < rolla> clifford that pic is dumb looking 14:44 < clifford> https://fun.drno.de/pics/english/373.gif 14:44 < clifford> rolla: yes - but the text is great. 14:54 < rolla> how so? 14:55 < rolla> I find it insulting 14:57 < clifford> why? it's obviously just a joke - so I don't see in which way it would be insulting .. 14:57 < clifford> and to whom? the USAF and USN ? 15:15 < rolla> to any american 15:17 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: vegai, clifford, _spectre_, blindcoder, rxr, aszlig, snyke 15:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder, clifford, _spectre_, aszlig, rxr, snyke, vegai 15:26 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit Remote closed the connection 15:34 < daja77> re 16:12 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E76AAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:37 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD950288F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:04 * daja77 just got some nice hw for rt stuff to get it to work with linux 17:18 < netrunner> daja77: want some more? https://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2766795954 17:18 < netrunner> :) 17:19 < blindcoder> hi all 17:20 < netrunner> hi blindcoder 17:21 < blindcoder> anyone got an idea on how to feed a file >2GB to mkisofs? 17:22 < netrunner> blindcoder: cat $bigfile | mkisofs 17:23 < blindcoder> netrunner: looks wrong... 17:28 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-uiveqn4.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: iso9660 can not handle files >2G. if you want to put that on a dvd, put a filesystem there. 17:31 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... will have to experiment with that... I need the DVD still in bootable state 17:33 < netrunner> blindcoder: what file do you want to put there? can't you split it? 17:33 * netrunner eating ice cream 17:33 < blindcoder> An encrypted filesystem... 17:34 < netrunner> blindcoder: as far as I have read, you can directly put a filesystem on a dvd. with some minor issues. maybe start on the hp of the avm/dvd+rw-tools package 17:35 < blindcoder> I'll try. thanks. 17:35 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: vegai, elon, snyke 17:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: elon, vegai, snyke 17:40 < daja77> netrunner: nice but i spoke of other hw ;-) 17:41 < netrunner> hahaha What good is an ISO filesystem image that is greater than CD-ROM sized 17:41 < netrunner> anyways? 17:42 < netrunner> daja77: oh, just an idea. 17:42 < daja77> *ggg* 17:42 * netrunner hopes to find a dau who buys his old hw 17:42 < daja77> you are selling that? 17:42 < netrunner> ack 17:42 < daja77> rofl 17:43 * daja77 kicks netrunner for confusing me with a dau 17:44 < netrunner> daja77: it's almost a praefix of your nick ;) 17:45 < netrunner> mmhm this alamond-honey icecream tastes wonderful ;) 17:46 < daja77> it is also the prefix of data so what 17:48 < blindcoder> netrunner: for a DVD? 17:51 < daja77> what a pity that clifford isn't here atm 17:51 < netrunner> data, dau, daja77 :) 17:52 < netrunner> evolutional history, chapter 1 ;) 17:53 < daja77> netrunner, netwalker, netlamer 17:53 < daja77> :p 17:55 < netrunner> hrmpf 17:55 < netrunner> 1:1 17:55 < daja77> ;-) 17:55 * netrunner now concentrates on an ebay-snipe. 17:58 < netrunner> ah, that bidwatcher worked. I was in doubt ... 18:05 < daja77> aaaaaargh never ever let windows idiots make a cdrom with html content 18:06 < daja77> the confuse big and small letters all the way, in short short their links are broken 18:14 < blindcoder> daja77: it's not their fault that they're being made stupid 18:14 < daja77> made stupid, you mean i should kill their parents? 18:15 < blindcoder> not genetically 18:15 < blindcoder> not always... 18:15 < daja77> you mean windows made them stupid 18:15 < blindcoder> Well... "Windows thinks of everything"(TM) 18:19 < netrunner> muahaha https://www.faber-castell.de/docs/index-news.asp?id=14506&sp=D&m1=10328&m2=13092&m3=14506&m4=&domid=1010 18:20 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 18:21 < daja77> damn the linux driver is binary only and precompiled for each kernel seperately 18:21 < daja77> *gnarf* 18:21 < blindcoder> 9~MUAHAHAHA 18:22 < blindcoder> netrunner: nice :) 18:22 < blindcoder> netrunner: obviously, that text comes from a UNIX-person. No Windows-User would know what TeX is 18:22 < daja77> but TeX works on windows as well 18:23 < blindcoder> that's another story 18:23 < daja77> yep 18:23 < daja77> TeX even works on plan9 ^^ 18:28 < daja77> cu later 18:41 -!- fake [~fake@f4k3.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:41 < fake> good evening 18:41 < blindcoder> fake: moin 18:45 < rxr> rere 18:45 < blindcoder> hi rxr 18:52 < rxr> hehehe: 18:52 < rxr> Bill Gates said, "You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems." Not if you use firewalls and keep your software up to date. 18:53 < rxr> well even if linux is not perfect - as bill gates claims we can now saw just keep the linux firewalls and other software up to date 18:58 < netrunner> glib is not installed (in prefix usr)! 19:00 < netrunner> what is that always? 19:00 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has quit "Client exiting" 19:00 < blindcoder> If I should guess... 19:01 < netrunner> yes 19:02 < blindcoder> Then I'd say that glib is not installed in usr/ :D 19:02 < netrunner> gnaa 19:03 < blindcoder> sorry ;) 19:03 < blindcoder> did you check if glib did build? 19:03 < netrunner> in log-current/5-glib12.log: ./configure --prefix=/opt/gnome 19:03 < netrunner> I cannot believe that we have a package that just does not find glib. 19:03 < blindcoder> hmm... that should be the answer then 19:04 < netrunner> 5-orbit10.log exists. so that one built. :( 19:06 < netrunner> the interesting thing is, that the only thing 5-orbit2.err contains, is the two lines: 19:06 < netrunner> The package build aborted with the following config error: 19:06 < netrunner> glib is not installed (in prefix usr)! 19:07 < blindcoder> hm 19:09 < blindcoder> Paranoia Check maybe? 19:10 < netrunner> is on. is that bad? 19:10 < blindcoder> I think 19:10 < netrunner> https://www.mycal.net/old/pirates/Mycal_-_Pirates_Life_4_me.mp3 19:10 < blindcoder> I usually build without 19:10 < netrunner> that shouldn't be the solution, though. 19:11 < blindcoder> maybe... 19:17 < netrunner> that's also the reason for the module-init-tools vs. modutils problem. 19:17 < blindcoder> haven't had one here 19:19 < netrunner> blindcoder: have you built both packages? they share files. 19:19 < blindcoder> I think I did 19:19 < blindcoder> but shared files only report with Paranoia Checks enabled 19:19 < netrunner> blindcoder: but without paranoia, ... yes 19:19 < blindcoder> which they are not 19:20 < netrunner> so I should adress clifford/rene to handle their shared files problem. 19:40 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@p50817CF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:47 < daja77> re 19:47 * blindcoder gone 20:06 -!- th [~th@ns0.hbsn.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:07 < daja77> hi th 20:12 < th> hi daja 20:12 < th> i've been wrong on the ML 20:12 < th> that fontconfig problem is in gimp build 20:19 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802BCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:19 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 20:19 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [] [Tue Sep 2 15:34:51 2003] 20:19 [Users #rocklinux] 20:19 [ [anders] ] [ channelDragon] [ esden ] [ mistik1 ] [ OffToWar] [ th ] 20:19 [ _spectre_ ] [ cytrinox ] [ fake ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ trekkie3k] 20:19 [ Aard ] [ daja77 ] [ hannes] [ Nebukadneza] [ rxr ] [ true ] 20:19 [ aszlig ] [ dreamind ] [ kasc ] [ netrunne1 ] [ SMP ] [ vegai ] 20:19 [ blindcoder] [ elon ] [ MadTux] [ netrunner ] [ snyke ] 20:19 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 20:19 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 20:19 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 20:19 < daja77> th: only one fontconfig problem 20:19 < daja77> ? 20:20 -!- Keepnick: Couldn't determine chatnet (now ) 20:20 < netrunne1> hrmpf. mozilla does not find gtk+, but it was built before. am I seeing ghosts? 20:20 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB6AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 < tcr> moin all 20:21 < daja77> moin tcr 20:22 < tcr> Heh :P daja77... I've got used that you're the one who greets me when I come to this time 20:22 < th> daja77: https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/regtest/reference/2003-11-12/9-gimp.err 20:22 < tcr> What are you going 20:23 < tcr> doing 20:23 * daja77 idling a bit before goin to bed 20:23 < th> netrunne1: there have been lots of gtk renames 20:23 < tcr> daja77, that early? 20:23 < netrunne1> moin tcr 20:23 < th> netrunne1: e.g. s/libidl10/libidl/ 20:23 * daja77 has to get up early tomorrow 20:23 * tcr finally got to reading mails :) 20:23 < tcr> daja77, well me too, 6am 20:24 < netrunne1> th: this is only wonderful as long as it does not break anything. 20:24 < tcr> hey netrunne, th 20:25 < th> netrunne1: but it breaks a lot / some stuff 20:25 < th> hi tcr 20:26 < daja77> btw i was not speaking of build errors due fontconfig but runtime errors in rc2 20:27 < th> daja77: oh.. runtime errors... well speaking of runtime... i'm at rock-1.6 20:27 < daja77> hehe 20:27 < th> well ok, i've -rc2.5 on one small nfs server without x 20:28 < daja77> guess I have a 1.6 on a machine that is down, never used it much 20:30 < tcr> Can anyone recommend a cd-burner (linux support of course) in a price range of 100-130euro ? 20:30 < tcr> It may cost less of course, too :) 20:30 < th> tcr: there are burners that expensive out there? 20:31 < th> and what does "linux support" mean? 20:31 < tcr> th: No idea, my current brenner is almost 4 years old 20:31 < daja77> ayn atapi compatible burner works 20:31 < daja77> any 20:31 < tcr> 4 years ago burners were darn fucking expensive :) 20:31 < th> tcr: alternate offers dvd burner for 89EUR 20:32 < th> tcr: cdrw for ~42 20:32 < tcr> Good to know... :) (so I can add one more book on my xmas wishlist ;)) 20:32 < th> tcr: and i expect them almost all to work with ide-scsi emulation 20:33 < tcr> th: ide-scsi emulation that's stone-age :) 20:33 < th> tcr: but it works 20:33 < th> i see no reason not to emulate my optical drives as scsi 20:34 < tcr> Aye, but it's been a bit tedious to get it running 20:34 < th> aehm. not at all at my side 20:34 < netrunne1> AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH 20:34 < netrunne1> sorry 20:34 < tcr> th: I know you're a very strong zealot of scsi 20:34 < th> tcr: i'm not 20:35 < tcr> Hmm, I may confusing you with someone else then 20:35 < netrunne1> gnagnagna 20:35 < netrunne1> we have package names that are prefix of others. 20:35 < netrunne1> who had this crappy idea? 20:35 < th> tcr: perhaps with Joerg Schilling 20:35 < netrunne1> gngngn 20:35 < daja77> netrunne1: ? 20:35 * netrunne1 loads his gun 20:36 < netrunne1> daja77: we have gtk+ for the 2.0 one, and gtk+12 for the older 20:36 < netrunne1> daja77: now guess what 20:36 < tcr> th: No, someone out of this channel... huebi or tsa maybe 20:37 < daja77> netrunne1: the old crap looks for gtk+? 20:37 < netrunne1> daja77: the package queue checks requirement for gtk+. with a substring function. so what? 20:37 < netrunne1> he finds the old. 20:37 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802B81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:37 < netrunne1> thanks. 20:37 -!- You're now known as netrunner 20:37 < daja77> O_o 20:38 < netrunner> hm. that cannot be. I am missing something here. but that seems to be the stinking source somewhere nearby 20:39 < netrunner> fact is, when I had gtk+12 finished, mozilla got scheduled. 20:39 < daja77> oh 20:39 < tcr> th: I hate ide-scsi because I'd need general scsi support within the kernel iirc 20:39 < daja77> so what 20:40 < netrunner> aha. scripts/dep_db.txt says mozilla depends on gtk+22. this is not an existing package and therefore ignored. wonderful. 20:40 < netrunner> who creates that dep_db.txt? 20:41 < netrunner> building obviously makes no sense without a correct one. 20:41 < th> tcr: i've always general scsi support within the kernel cause of usb-storage 20:41 * daja77 goes to bed now 20:41 < netrunner> maybe the ones renaming packages shalt be so kind also rename them in the dep_db? 20:41 < netrunner> n8 daja77 20:41 < tcr> gn8 th 20:41 < tcr> erm daja77 20:42 < tcr> th: usb.. uh, never had that luxus ;) 20:42 < netrunner> tcr: no. you can load generic scsi as module. 20:42 < netrunner> tcr: if you do need the generic interface. 20:42 < tcr> netrunner, modular kernels are for whimps ;) 20:42 < daja77> netrunner: afaik it is generated from reference build, maybe it is just outdated 20:43 < netrunner> tcr: trying to argue with me? come over here! 20:43 < daja77> damn i'd like to see that beating 20:43 < daja77> anyway I am off 20:43 < tcr> netrunner, where's here? 20:47 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E76AAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:48 < netrunner> tcr: forget it, just calmed down a bit ;) 20:48 -!- fake [~fake@f4k3.net] has quit "[BX] Does your mommy know you use BitchX?" 21:04 < rxr> netrunner: the depdb is created from a reference build 21:04 < rxr> normally be the tree maintainer 21:05 < rxr> but the last reference build had some other dependecy issues - this is why I did not genereate those 21:05 < rxr> I'll start a new reference build tonight or so - so we should have an update dep list soon 21:05 < rxr> and we should not rename packags so often ... 21:07 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E76AAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:08 < rxr> hi elon 21:09 < elon> re 21:09 < elon> hi rxr 21:32 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@p50817CF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ":x" 21:41 < netrunner> hi rxr, sorry for cursing so loud. but it took me some time to find out that I can't fix it 21:41 < netrunner> + 21:41 < netrunner> #- 21:41 < netrunner> :-}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} 21:42 < netrunner> argl, gf wants to chat 21:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB6AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 22:25 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 22:25 < LocalHero> Hi all 22:28 < netrunner> hi LocalHero 22:28 * netrunner wonders where RemoteHero is logged in ;) 22:30 < LocalHero> netrunner, hehe :) 22:31 < netrunner> maybe it's a RemoteHeroine? 22:32 < LocalHero> hmm, is it possible to run cluster build with smb instead of nfs 22:32 < LocalHero> I cant use nfs due to unsecure lan :( 22:40 < rxr> hm - is smb more secure? 22:40 < rxr> but theoretically this should be possible (I think) 22:40 < rxr> OT: Why can't life be as easy as writing computer programs? 22:43 < vegai> it is, you're just using the wrong language =P 22:43 < vegai> or right one 22:43 < LocalHero> rxr, well, uhh, somebody cant take your ip and have access to the box but no its not more secure :).. They have blocked nfs so thats why i dont use it 22:44 < LocalHero> rxr, doesnt it create problem with file attributes? 22:46 < netrunner> LocalHero: depends on what you have on the smb-server, no? I have the download/ on a server, that doesn't hurt to be on smb ... 22:47 < netrunner> LocalHero: if you have the build/ or the whole rock-linux/ on smb, that screws the permissions of the files built/installed/packaged 22:54 < rxr> hm - I do not remeber how much permission stuff is exported via SMB - but wasn't the basic stuff just working 22:55 < rxr> it should even include ACL fluff - but I do not use SMB on a regular basis ... 22:57 < netrunner> rxr: you only have windows-like permissions. for the user you specified at mount. all files have the same user/group. 22:57 < rxr> oehm - windows NT has full ACL stuff 22:57 < netrunner> and iirc all files have the same permissions. 22:58 < netrunner> rxr: yes. but not with samba-clients. you log in as one user. 22:58 < LocalHero> well i think i skip smb then. I havent had time to check openafs out. Does it has all unix permission? 22:59 < netrunner> at least, this is as far as I experienced it. I do not know if there is some pam/samba magic, that automatically authenticates local users to the nt server. 22:59 < netrunner> afs is cool. it has standard unix perms + extra acls. 22:59 < netrunner> haven't used it for a while ... that company I did it for died :) 23:00 < LocalHero> netrunner oki, then i might check that out. The "new" iso server is getting to slow :(.. Hehe, when i had the p133 server i could only dream of a celeron 450 mhz and now here i am asking for more :) 23:01 < netrunner> LocalHero: I missed a server on ebay yesterday. 150EUR for a 2.1GHz athlon XP, 1GB RAM. 19" rack case, 4U 23:01 < netrunner> but I decided to hunt for a 1U unit. suffices for me, and i get a better price for my friend's datacenter 23:02 < LocalHero> netrunner, hmm, nice :) 23:02 < LocalHero> netrunner, you know a cheep place to put servers on? Im looking for a place to run comercial stuff. Its banned on student network :( 23:03 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-182.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 23:04 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-211.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:06 < LocalHero> got to get some sleep.. cya all 23:08 < netrunner> LocalHero: depends on what you call cheap. I can only say that server4free.de is cheap. 23:08 < netrunner> n8 LocalHero 23:09 < LocalHero> wow, cheap, :)... Well n8 23:10 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit 23:14 < rxr> cool - upcomming SVN speed improvements (from the svn mailing list timing a complete subversino self-checkout): 23:14 < rxr> 23:14 < rxr> SVN 0.32.1 SVN 0.33 23:14 < rxr> ---------- ---------- 23:14 < rxr> 4m:40s 1m:48s 23:15 < th> must've been crappy code ;) 23:15 < th> hi rxr btw 23:16 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has quit "Client Exiting" 23:18 < netrunner> wonderful. now they make up a meeting over the weekend right on my birthday. 23:19 < rxr> th: I hope the crapy code was really meant as joke ... 23:19 < th> rxr: i mean 0.32.1 seems crappy in contrast to 0.33 23:22 < rxr> sure - but this is complex software - it requires deep analysis and testing to archive such and improvement 23:23 -!- ThePcktMstr [~zen@user-uiveqlr.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:23 < th> rxr: ack 23:23 < rxr> subversion's code quality (the pieces I looked into) looked fairly well - I can not say this about some other OSS projects (e.g. XFree, Gimp, parts of GNOME, or stuff like screen - not to forget the glibc ...) 23:25 < netrunner> hm ... Package Name and Version: subversion 0.32.1 2.0.0-rc4 23:25 < netrunner> svn --version 23:25 < netrunner> svn, version 0.26.0 (r6550) 23:25 < rxr> some parts of linux are also a bit scary - mostly low-level driver written by real hobby-ists - even some SCSI driver are really "erhm" scarry 23:26 < rxr> but I also saw assembly driver code from Taiwan people for parallel scanners - if you have seens this nothing really scares you anymore ... 23:26 < rxr> windows drivers of course 23:28 < netrunner> rxr: what will happen to the dep_db? without a working one, any build is cursed to ... have a lot of errors. 23:28 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-uiveqn4.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 23:32 < rxr> nope - just cluster builds 23:33 < rxr> we should stop renaming packages so often ... 23:34 < rxr> I start a new reference build now ... 23:35 < netrunner> rxr: thanks a lot. ... is that something I could do myself? I mean ... I bought this machine to compile rock, so it could also reference-build ... 23:35 < rxr> jups you can do this 23:35 < rxr> but my .cache files will get into trunk so hm ... 23:35 < rxr> but if you like to do it anyways just do it 23:35 < netrunner> so it makes no sense :/ 23:36 < rxr> in the output dir in build/.... there will be a script to copy the .cache files and the scripts/Create-Dep* stuff generates the deps 23:36 < netrunner> rxr: I'll stay then with building/patching. I'll produce head-isos. and I can upload them from the varsity, when I know where to. 23:37 < netrunner> rxr: since you're the root of all rock, It makes sense when you create the dependencies. 23:38 < rxr> will be some ~1MB patch anyway ... 23:39 < rxr> ok - me off to bed - cu 23:40 < netrunner> n8, me 2 23:48 -!- ThePcktMstr [~zen@user-uiveqlr.dsl.mindspring.com] has left #rocklinux ["If left to my devices I would never quit reading the net."] 23:52 * elon moves to unclassifiedness 23:52 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E76AAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit "im off" --- Log closed Die Nov 18 00:00:56 2003