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01:15 < daja77> rxr: I haven't started yet due ml
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01:39 < MadTux> greetings
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09:22 < Baldzius> hi
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09:37 < rxr> re
09:37 < rxr> hi Baldzius 
09:43 < Baldzius> hi rxr :)
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10:15 < netrunner> moin
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11:05 < rxr> moin netrunner
11:05 < rxr> due to a really wired build problem I rebuild the wohle stage5 in the regression test now ...
11:05 < rxr> the regtest should take a while - sorry
11:05 < rxr> me off to lunch ...
11:05 < netrunner> rxr: np, I do not urge you.
11:06 < netrunner> rxr: an guadn ;)
11:19 < netrunner> new bombings in istambul http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/politik/ausland/27427
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12:01 < rxr> re
12:01 < clifford> rxr: r u reading this?
12:01 < clifford> ok.
12:01 < rxr> hi
12:01 < clifford> hi.  ;-)
12:02 < rxr> do you have some mails from me in your inbox, or got they spam filtered somewhere? ;-)
12:02 < clifford> I have mails from you.
12:02 < clifford> is your rsync master for the FTP mirrors still up and running?
12:02 < rxr> clifford: it should be
12:03 < clifford> we have no ROCK-2.0 directory on the entire mirroring system.
12:03 < clifford> but we are having our source tree on the mirrors.  ;-)
12:04 < rxr> $ rsync rsync://rocklinux-consulting.de
12:04 < rxr> rock-20         The official ROCK Linux 2.0 stable tree
12:04 < rxr> rock-src-20     The official ROCK Linux 2.0 download mirror sources
12:04 < rxr> svn-replica     A set of revision dumps for internal replication use only
12:05 < clifford> hm... "How do they call it if all bad comes together?" - "dot-com ?"
12:09 < rxr> clifford: rsync seems to work ok - maybe config problem on the master mirror server?
12:09 < rxr> I have to vanish into a "reading" (or what Vorlesung is in LANG=en) ...
12:09 < rxr> would be nice if you could go thru my mails in your inbox
12:10 < rxr> and maybe speak with the master mirror person ...
12:10 < rxr> cu
12:11 < netrunner> rxr: lecture
12:11 < netrunner> :) have phun
12:11 < rxr> cu
12:12 < netrunner> clifford: ftp.leo.org:/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/ROCKlinux/2.0 ... not ROCK-2.0
12:21 < clifford> netrunner: this is _the_source_ not the download archive - and I have no Idea what it is doing on the mirrors...
12:30 < netrunner> oh, I didn't look deeper 
12:31 < netrunner> maybe a side effect from the tries to create a svn mirror
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13:33 < daja77> moin
13:50 < rxr> re
13:51 < daja77> wb rxr
13:51 < rxr> moin daja77 
13:52 < daja77> rxr: got the postcard?
13:53 < rxr> daja77: yeah! thanks - yesterday
13:53 < daja77> cool
13:53 < daja77> wanna do a talk about rock?
13:56 < rxr> I do not remember the date exactly - but if this matches into my schedule definetely!
13:57 < daja77> the date is on the card ;-)
13:59 < clifford> rxr: should we use rsync://schillernet.dyndns.org/ or rsync://rocklinux-consulting.de/  ?
13:59 < rxr> clifford: should not matter
14:00 < rxr> whatever you prefer ...
14:00 < rxr> clifford: I spent the last lecture fixing if=auto related mis-behaviour or rocknet ...
14:01 < rxr> how should rocknet behave for
14:01 < rxr> rocknet default eth0 up ?
14:01 < rxr> only configure eth0 profiles listed in the auto section I guess?
14:02 < clifford> rxr: the ip of the host is still changing dynamically ?
14:05 < rxr> yes
14:05 < rxr> the rocklinux-consulting.de is also changing dynamically - but not using dyndns ...
14:11 < clifford> "<rxr> only configure eth0 profiles listed in the auto section I guess?" .. what does that mean?
14:14 < rxr> auto eth0(home)
14:14 < rxr> rocknet default eth0 up
14:14 < rxr> does bring up eth0(home) ?
14:16 < clifford> yes - but it would also bring up eth0(home) if there wouldn't be an "auto" at all or eth0 isn't listed in auto at all.
14:17 < rxr> clifford: you know that all such stuff does not work in rocknet 0.0.3 
14:17 < rxr> ?
14:18 < rxr> and that this would require some extra logic ...
14:19 < rxr> hm I think we rocknet should be rather strict - and not perform such sloppy cases.
14:21 < rxr> I commit the current rocknet 0.0.3 into trunk - and then I'll commit a fully auto aware parser which is more also more precise as an extra changeset
14:21 < clifford> why the hell ist that a "sloppy case" ??
14:21 < rxr> you can then take a look and propose further improvemets
14:21 < clifford> the "auto" directive is only importand fur _automatically_ turning on interfaces and is of no matter if interfaces are turned on manually.
14:22 < clifford> ..that's why it is called "auto".
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14:22 < rxr> during parsing rocknet does not yet know how many eth0 configs exist - and to use the only one even if not specified in the auto section
14:23 < rxr> sure - a manually rocknet home eth0 up always work
14:23 < rxr> I only talk about rocknet useage when auto is used as interface or default as profile
14:24 < clifford> it doesn't need to know how many eth0 sections exist because _all_ matching eth0 sections should be executed (I've adapted the README accordingly in rocknet-0.0.2).
14:25 < clifford> <rxr> auto eth0(home)
14:25 < clifford> <rxr> rocknet default eth0 up
14:25 < clifford> <rxr> does bring up eth0(home) ?
14:25 < clifford> oh - ok.
14:25 < rxr> why?
14:25 < clifford> this does not bring up eth0(home).
14:25 < rxr> one can not use home office and uni at the same time anyway ...
14:25 < clifford> you could also use "rocknet alibaba eth0 up" - would have the same effect.
14:26 < clifford> but it has nothing to do with what is stated in auto
14:26 < rxr> I would like to to propose:
14:27 < rxr> 1. the renaminf of the default profile to auto
14:27 < rxr> 2. that auto as profile or interface requests to configure matching combinations of the auto keyword
14:27 < clifford> 2. doesn't make any sense in my understanding.
14:28 < rxr> but just bringing up all profile combinations if the profile is not valid does make much less sense
14:28 < clifford> i never said that.
14:29 < clifford> I just said that "default" doesn't has any special meaning.
14:29 < rxr> ok - so in you proposal the auto interface ingnores the profile given?
14:32 < clifford> hae? what are you talking about?
14:32 < clifford> what is the "auto interface" ?
14:33 < rxr> then the init script brings the interfaces up:
14:33 < rxr> rocknet default auto up
14:34 < clifford> auto just means "all interfaces listed in the auto statement".
14:35 < rxr> yes - that is what I'm talking abou the last lines ...
14:35  * daja77 holding a sweet tiny amd elan cpu in his hands
14:35 < rxr> anyway I just commit it and you take a look
14:35 < rxr> clifford: s.th. more important, what should be the user command to change the profile? 
14:36 < clifford> but that should be handled already in public_interface in modules/base.sh.
14:36 < rxr> as I wrote in the beginning I just improve (and/or fix) this file ...
14:37 < clifford> I still understand the problem you are trying to describe.
14:37 < clifford> Args... DONT!
14:37 < rxr> :-)
14:38 < rxr> I'll descrive it the improved rocknet commit then 
14:38 < rxr> any idea about the profile switching - you could also take a look into my mail ...
14:39 < clifford> hmmm.. maybe $if in line 36 in base.sh should be $interface ?
14:39 < clifford> (can't test - just reading it in kwrite)
14:39 < rxr> clifford: I did more changes
14:40 < rxr> clifford: IIRC the current code does also not honor the profiles given behind the auto keyword
14:40 < clifford> rxr: maybe you make your current version available so I know what we are talking about?
14:40 < rxr> e.g. auto eth0(susan) eth1(openwlan)
14:40 < rxr> clifford: I'm just hacking on it ... and had some questions
14:41 < rxr> clifford: but I commit the 0.0.3 version and then commit the improvements and you can take a look ...
14:41 < rxr> but the profile swithcing command and it's behaviour would be interesting.
14:41 < clifford> should be handled in line 14 in base.sh
14:42 < clifford> (if it still is line 14 ;-)
14:44 < rxr> but this will only save the interface - not the profile - so the default profile is not available when public_interface is called later
14:45 < clifford> the profile is checked again in line 31 to take care of that.
14:46 < rxr> but this the the global profile specified - which is default (or so) during bootup
14:46 < rxr> but when I have 
14:46 < rxr> auto eth0(susan) eth1(openwlan)
14:46 < rxr> I want to get this two configs up
14:46 < rxr> and nothing else - the current code did not do this
14:47 < rxr> I think it did not bring one of them up
14:47 < clifford> hae? you want two profiles to be active at the same time ????
14:48 < rxr> you README implies this is possible (in my understanding with)
14:48 < rxr> auto eth0 eth1(office)
14:48 < rxr> where is the difference ?
14:49 < clifford> eth0 will be turned on automatically in all profiles and eth1 only in the office profile.
14:49 < rxr> ah ...
14:50 < rxr> but something more fundamental: which comamdn should store the current profile in /etc/network/profile
14:50 < rxr> and should there be a user command to perform "switch_profile home" which does rocknet old_profile auto down
14:50 < clifford> ..this is likely to become a 2nd proposal.
14:50 < rxr> rocknet profile auto up ?
14:51 < clifford> no. rocknet itself is not reading or writing /etc/network/profile.
14:52 < clifford> ifup and ifdown are reading /etc/network/profile and are passing the current profile name to rocknet.
14:52 < rxr> ok ok
14:52 < clifford> and the /etc/rc.d/init.d/network script
14:53 < clifford> "rc network start" should (imo) make a '[ -x /etc/network/getprofile ] && /etc/network/getprofile' before reading /etc/network/profile
14:54 < rxr> cu later
14:54 < clifford> this (user-supplied) getprofile program could auto-detect the current environment and write out the profile file, if the user want's that.
15:02  * daja77 wondering if he has to abuse rock to create an embedded distro for amd elan
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15:29 < daja77> wb [anders] 
15:32 < rxr> re
15:33 < rxr> clifford: I did not mean auto detection
15:33 < rxr> clifford: I meant the use-case when I want to swtich from office to home profile
15:33  * daja77 screams loudly
15:33 < rxr> daja77: because of the word use-case ? :-)
15:34 < clifford> daja77: AMD elan is just a 486 compatible CPU - I'm running my internet gateway on it using rock router.
15:34 < rxr> which does down all office and up all home interfaces
15:34 < daja77> no because of hw vendors delivering crap sw for linux (aka wrappers for windows shit)
15:34 < clifford> rxr: I know that you didn't mean auto-detection.
15:35 < clifford> the main-problem with switching profiles is that we have no way of checking if the old profile currently is up.
15:35 < daja77> clifford: yeah but this is not just an elan but embedded into a control card, i need to figure out how to load linux instead of their os
15:35 < rxr> ok - but I would like to vote for such a prfile switcher - does it fit in you vision
15:36 < clifford> it doesn't collidate.
15:36 < daja77> + there  are some special drivers for watchdog and stuff, anyway will not interrupt you further
15:37 < clifford> daja77: what board do you have?
15:37 < daja77> sorcus MAX6pci
15:38 < rxr> clifford: should I move the network.init script from iproute2 to sysfiles (since now it can be used for whatever even if iproute2 is not installed?)
15:38 < daja77> + the elan module called X-MAX-E
15:38 < daja77> http://www.sorcus.de/german/html/xmax1.htm
15:41 < daja77> they have defined a wine and a w32 symbol in their linux headers *grml*
15:45 < clifford> Each X-MAX-1 module is supplied with SORCUS???s own realtime multi-tasking OsX operating system.
15:45 < clifford>  
15:45 < clifford> Alternatively. a BIOS can also be pre-installed, from which all customary PC operating systems, such as DOS,
15:45 < clifford>  
15:45 < clifford> Windows 3.x, 95, 98, Windows NT, Embedded NT, Windows CE, QNX or Linux can be started. All operating
15:45 < clifford>  
15:45 < clifford> systems have their specific memory requirements, which will depend on the integrated drivers and of course on the
15:45 < clifford>  
15:45 < clifford> size of the application programs involved. Examples for minimal memory requirements are specified in an
15:45 < clifford>  
15:45 < clifford> Application Note.
15:45 < clifford> oups - sorry for the blank lines...  ;-)
15:46 < daja77> np
15:46 < clifford> rxr: yes. that makes sense.
15:46 < daja77> i just haven't figured out how to write into that flas
15:49 < clifford> do you have a password for the download area? maybe there are some applications notes there...
15:49 < daja77> i have that files on cdrom, no passwd yet
15:50 < clifford> (such hardware vendors usually have tons of applications notes)
15:50 < daja77> but the readme files only contains infos how to install the binary only kernel driver and their binary only libs
15:51 < daja77> the few header files the have claim to run under dos, win3.1, win95 and winnt ...
15:51 < clifford> binary only kernel driver for what? accessing the hardware from the host or for running linux on the device?
15:51 < daja77> for accessing from the host yes
15:53 < daja77> hmm nice that datasheet pdfs are interesting, the contain infos missing in handbook
15:55 < rxr> cu
15:55 < daja77> cu rxr
15:56 < clifford> cu
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16:42 < cytrinox`> moin
16:54 < clifford> does anyone know a better english phrase for "eierlegende wollmilchsau" than "all-in-one device" ?
17:06 < daja77> not really
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17:49 < rolla> clifford: ?
17:50 < daja77> hi rolla
17:52 < rolla> hallo daja77 
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17:58 < daja77> :)
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18:50 < alexissoft> hello
18:50 < alexissoft> i build rocklinux for the first time, can i interrupt the building target process for continue later ?
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19:19 < rxr> re
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19:21 < armijn> 'lo.
19:24 < armijn> hmm
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19:34 < aoeu238> Is there any linuxbios packages i rocklinux?
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19:36 < tcr> moin all
19:37 < rxr> aoeu238: not yet
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20:41 < tcr> http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/90086015/CD_ReWriteable_LG_W8525B_R_ATAPI_52x32x52x_intern_Retail.asp
20:41 < tcr> Does that look like a good offer in your eyes?
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20:45 < A-Tui> hi
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20:50 < channelDragon> moin *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn*
20:50 < channelDragon> fsck. waiting for the doctors makes tired
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20:59 < hanno> hi
21:00 < hanno> a question: can I install knoppix without burning all cds, e.g. booting from the first cd and using the isos for cd2+3?
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21:01 < owl|KKH> haeh? thinking you joined the wrong channel
21:03 < owl|KKH> anyways /me off for bed and preparing for KKH, tomorrow
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21:05 < hanno> owl|KKH, sorry, i'm just hearing a radio-stream about knoppix, so i mixed up things
21:05 < hanno> the correct question: can I install rocklinux without burning all cds, e.g. booting from the first cd and using the isos for cd2+3?
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21:24 < netrunne1> hanno: you basically can. you hen only install packages from the first cd (you have to select them), but I doubt that youll get a working system after that, since packages are distributed alphabetically over the cds
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21:26 < esden> hi all
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21:32 < LocalHero> Hi all
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21:50 < rxr> hi elon_ 
21:50 < rxr> hi esden ;-)
21:54 < elon_> hi 
21:59  * A-Tui is away: "Que haces tu ... que no bailas con Tijuana in Blue!!!!"
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22:37 < netrunner> re
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22:43 < rxr> re
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22:44 < rxr> this shit f**king fontconfig
22:46 < rxr> cu later
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23:16  * A-Tui is back (gone 01:16:52)
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23:54 < daja77> n8 you all
23:54 < netrunner> n8 daja77 
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