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01:06 < rxr> re
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01:55 < rxr> my rs6k build comes to and end !!! ;-)
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02:05 < rxr> ok - cu
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02:40 < mistik1> The User Data plugin with a little mods will poll LDAP and get the users username/email address/Name and populate the prefs file
02:40 < mistik1> oops wrong channel :)
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07:55 < cytrinox`> moin
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09:55 < rxr> re
09:56 < rxr> moin cytrinox` 
10:13 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.0.0-rc4-x86-pentium-mmx-32-reference-expert:
10:13 < rxr>  [5]   3 base/sendmail                   [5]   0 rene/ffmpeg
10:13 < rxr>  [5]   0 gnome24/seahorse                [5]   0 gnome24/abiword
10:13 < rxr>  [5]   0 kde31/kdeadmin31                [5]   0 alessandro/webmin
10:13 < rxr>  [5]   0 gnome24/gst-plugins             
10:13 < rxr> 2070 builds total, 743 completed fine, 7 with errors.
10:14 < blindcoder> moin
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10:49 < rxr> moin blindcoder 
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10:57 < netrunne1> moin rxr,blindcoder 
10:58 -!- You're now known as netrunner
10:58 < rxr> moin netrunner 
10:58 < netrunner> rxr: what machine is building the reference build?
10:58 < rxr> oehm - what exactly do you want to know?
10:59 < netrunner> cpu speed :)
10:59 < rxr> # cat /proc/cpuinfo  
10:59 < rxr> processor     : 0
10:59 < rxr> vendor_id     : AuthenticAMD
10:59 < rxr> cpu family    : 6
10:59 < rxr> model   : 10
10:59 < rxr> model name    : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2500+
10:59 < rxr> stepping : 0
10:59 < rxr> cpu MHz  : 1466.755
10:59 < rxr> cache size    : 512 KB
10:59 < rxr> it is running underclocked since I had not yet the money fore new RAM ...
11:00 < netrunner> oh.
11:00 < rxr> # free
11:00 < rxr>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
11:00 < rxr> Mem:        514544     507152       7392          0      68868     326168
11:00 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache:     112116     402428
11:00 < rxr> Swap:      1289024      53080    1235944
11:00 < rxr> ripclaw wanted to sponsor RAM - but he had not yet the time to ship it :-(
11:00 < netrunner> I just noticed that you started the build 3 days ago and it did 750 packages.
11:01 < rxr> you mean this is slow ... ?
11:01 < netrunner> hm. maybe I am faster since I am using ramdisk to build. with a cpu that fast you should look at your hdd-io's ;)
11:02 < netrunner> my hdd led is shining continuously without tempfs
11:02 < rxr> the box was idling much time due to the ongoing XFree fixes ...
11:02 < rxr> and I had to restart the build since one XFree build messed the build root up ... .-(
11:02 < netrunner> ah.
11:03 < rxr> netrunner: for the disk layout you can consult the mailing list's mail "mozilla fix s.th." ...
11:03  * netrunner plans to buy another G of ram to run clusterbuild using tempfs.
11:04 < netrunner> I want to get the cluster build working, at least locally. that speeds up the whole thing a lot.
11:05 < rxr> this regtester was started:
11:05 < rxr> 11/20/03 11:09:55
11:05 < rxr> but with many XFree, Qt, KDE rebuilds ... and idle time because of my either away or typing to fix s.th. ...
11:11 < rxr> the Qt related problem is also not yet fixed in svn:HEAD - I still need to meditate for the correct fix ...
11:13 < netrunner> I am always running with HEAD
11:19 < rxr> hm - damn - for some strange reason svn switch does not work in one dir ...
11:20 < netrunner> never worked for me, always did a new checkout
11:23 < rxr> you mean during the server migration ?
11:23 < rxr> or the rock-trunk trunk switch?
11:31 < netrunner> svn switch --relocate ... when you changed the server or directory
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12:00 < rxr> weeee - I just found out how to make the HP 74xx work better in ADF scanning mode !!! Yeah!!!
12:04 < rxr> mw showering - and off for breakfast - maybe I should move breakfast before rock hacking in the morning schedule ...
12:29 < rxr> ok - but now I'm off ;-) ...
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12:55 < rxr> hi micropal 
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13:14 < rxr> hm - still no breakfast yet
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13:24 < rxr> hi kasc 
13:25 < kasc> hiyas
13:25 < kasc> hi rxr
13:56 < rxr> how are you, kasc ?
13:59 < kasc> fine, thx
13:59 < kasc> a bit busy, tho
13:59 < kasc> and you?
14:04 < rxr> oh - very busy, too (as usual)
14:38 < rxr> 2070 builds total, 888 completed fine, 10 with errors.
14:38 < rxr> hey! Currently the reference build as exactly 1000 active packages .... ;-)
14:38 < rxr> cu later
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15:10 < praenti> hi
15:11 < praenti> anybody here at the moment (waiting 5 minutes for an answer, otherwise forget the question *g*)
15:13 < blindcoder> meep
15:16 < praenti> tach. thx
15:16 < blindcoder> hi :)
15:16 < praenti> somebody have heard me :-)
15:16 < blindcoder> I HEARD THOU, MY SON!
15:17 < praenti> blindcoder: *g* do you know if the install wrapper can do also some not-installs?
15:17 < blindcoder> praenti: not-installs?
15:18 < praenti> blindcoder: yes. because make install installs too much files. some of them are also present...
15:18 < blindcoder> praenti: AFAIK the install_wrapper just loads the flist_wrapper and then executes /usr/bin/install
15:18 < praenti> shitt. then i need another workaround
15:19 < blindcoder> praenti: usually you'd patch the Makefile for this
15:20 < praenti> I know. but i thought, that there are some files in a directory that needs to be installed and some not.
15:21 < blindcoder> hmm... sorry, can't help you there
15:21 < praenti> thought, cause i had a second look a few minutes ago. i will try to kill the subdirs and will compare the two generated flists :-)
15:22 < blindcoder> okay, I'm back to making encryption in LVP work
15:23 < praenti> blindcoder: btw. have you a backup of my data on the old apollo?
15:25 < blindcoder> praenti: I think so
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15:25 < praenti> cool. most of the data is i think obsolete but i dont know exactly
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15:50 < rxr> re
15:51 < rxr> hi praenti 
15:52 < praenti> hi rxr
15:53 < blindcoder> hi rxr
16:02 < rxr> hi blindcoder 
16:03 < mnemoc> re *
16:05 < praenti> ok. I'm away
16:05 < praenti> cu
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16:13 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
16:14 < th> hi rxr
16:14 < mnemoc> hi rxr, th
16:15 < mnemoc> what did you decide about ncurses at '' and /usr/*.a thing?
16:17 < rxr> mnemoc: moment - busy ...
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16:20 < fake> hi
16:21 < fake> blindcoder: i found a backup on a cd i had with me all the time of all cvs repositories of old apollo (_after_ i finished that partial rewrite, of course)
16:22 < fake> th: i still had no time to update bluez spd :(
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16:26 < blindcoder> fake: sucks
16:27 < blindcoder> hehe, I like the currenty lvp scripts :)
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16:54 < rxr> hm - two outgoing rsyncs running:
16:54 < rxr> Avg: 334.52 kBit/s
16:55 < rxr> I guess rocklinux-consulting.de will be really slow currently ...
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17:14 < rxr> My DSL line should have 256 kBit/s - nice to see current outgoing average is 343.63 kBit/s ;-)
17:16 < mistik1> what you rsyncing rxr ?
17:17 < rxr> mistik1: since due to the user error on the master ROCK Linux source mirror site - they re-resync all of our tarballs (~4GB)
17:17 < rxr> and I upload -rc2 PowerPC ISOs ...
17:18 < rxr> -rc2 and -rc3 x86 are also already queued for tests (and upload)
17:18 < rxr> but I have not yet found the time to do this ...
17:18 < mistik1> rsync kicks so much ass
17:19 < mistik1> I've been using it lately for a daily offsite backup of all his servers
17:20 < mistik1> full site backups too
17:20 < mistik1> I have already tested pulling the backup to an almost bare metal box and then just install lilo :)
17:20 < rxr> ;-)
17:21 < rxr> I also use it internally to replicate the changesets to the read-only Sunversion load-balancing / backup server svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de ...
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18:23 < dRagn> at
18:23 < dRagn> goed
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18:31 < MadTux> hello.
18:32 < blindcoder> moin 
18:33 < MadTux> blindy! :)
18:33 < blindcoder> that's me :)
18:33 < MadTux> :)
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19:34 < tcr> moin all
19:37 < elon> gruiess eich
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20:03 < blindcoder> anyone here using other XFree drivers than nv, nvidia, tdfx or vmware?
20:05 < tcr> blindcoder, yeah I'm using mga 
20:05 < tcr> that's the driver for the matrox millennium
20:06 < blindcoder> tcr: could you give me the line o graphics card from lspci?
20:07 < tcr> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP (rev 04)
20:07 < blindcoder> thanks
20:08 < tcr> blindcoder, may I know what you need that for? (I guess for some parsing stuff)
20:09 < blindcoder> tcr: for some pseudo-graphiccard-autoconfiguration in LVP
20:09 < blindcoder> I now have nv, mga, tdfx and vmware
20:12 < tcr> Uhm, blindcoder.
20:12 < blindcoder> hm?
20:13 < tcr> You should create a database of formats which depend on the kernel version
20:14 < blindcoder> I don't think that such a fine-grained configuration is really necessary
20:14 < tcr> And as lspci gets its information out of /proc/pci (afaik), you can look up in the kernel sources what string different gc drivers store there
20:14 < blindcoder> grep for nvidia -> nv, 3dfx -> tdfx, vmware -> vmware, Matrox -> mga, else -> vesa
20:15 < tcr> vesa? not vga?
20:15 < tcr> besides, I'm not sure mga is for all matrox cards... it may be very well the case though :)
20:15 < blindcoder> no, vga only supports 800x600x8 which would look horrible when watching a movie
20:16 < tcr> what's lvp anyway?
20:16 < tcr> linux video project?
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20:32 [ _spectre_ ] [ cytrinox`] [ kasc     ] [ nookie ] [ SMP      ] [ vegai] 
20:32 [ Aard      ] [ daja77   ] [ MadTux   ] [ owl|KKH] [ snyke    ] 
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20:33 < MadTux> pserver or ssh ?
20:34 < mnemoc> pserver
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20:35 < mnemoc> i want chmod +x something
20:35 < mnemoc> like scripts/Foo
20:35 < mnemoc> they checkout as +x
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20:47 < rxr> mnemoc: you actively use cvs nowadays?
20:47 < mnemoc> it's better than rcs :)
20:48 < mnemoc> i use it for group-homeworks at univ.
20:49 < mnemoc> i choose cvs mainly because tortoisecvs.org
20:53 < rxr> mnemoc: do you already use rocknet?
20:54 < rxr> and/or th?
20:56 < mnemoc> rxr: i have been very away these days
20:56 < rxr> have you taken a look into the firewalling?
20:57 < mnemoc> not yet
20:58 < rxr> hm - anyway a tiny question
20:58 < rxr> in the current first implementation you have the keywords allow and deny (of course with the arguments needed to specify tcp|udp and the port ...
20:59 < rxr> allow accepts the packages and deny rejects them
20:59 < rxr> I just added "drop" since I want/need it
20:59 < rxr> I would like to rename allow -> accept and deny -> reject - I think this would be more intuitiv ...
21:00 < th> mnemoc: you need to set +x on the file before you add it
21:01 < th> or +x it in the repository directly
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21:03 < th> rxr: renaming would be obviously ok if you need 3 keywords.
21:03 < th> allow,deny VS. accept,reject,drop
21:03 < th> allow and deny are just policies.
21:03 < th> accept,reject and drop are real actions
21:03 < th> there is a different
21:03 < th> s/different/difference/
21:04 < th> i don't know the rocknet concept enough to know whether you want policies or actions
21:04 < th> of course it is required to be able to specify actions
21:04 < th> perhaps policy global
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21:05 < mnemoc> i think actions
21:05 < th> but something is required to be able set reject and/or drop
21:05 < th> well
21:05 < th> i could think of actions and policies
21:05 < th> where a policy can be defined as an action
21:05 < th> so you can use allow and deny.
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21:06 < th> and set deny to do a DROP
21:06 < th> and use reject instead of deny where you need it
21:06 < rxr> th: this DROP thing is why I added drop
21:06 < rxr> clifford explicitly wants deny to REJECT
21:06 < rxr> but I often want drop - thus I just comitted the new drop keyword
21:07 < rxr> but I think I'll make the wohle thing a bit more obvious and rename the accept and deny to accept and reject ...
21:07 < th> rxr: so the action for the deny policy should not be editable?
21:07 < th> three words like "allow, deny, drop" would be a bad thing
21:07 < th> "accept, reject, drop" would be ok.
21:08 < th> "allow, deny, reject, accept, drop" would be even better i think
21:08 < rxr> ack - I wanted to ask if other feel this way, too - before I rename them ...
21:08 < th> and you can define what allow and deny does
21:10 < rxr> hm - I think that would be a bit over-featured when we already have accept, reject and drop ...
21:10 < th> i agree
21:10  * mnemoc acks
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21:11 < rxr> and allow should allways be accept - defining allow to be reject or drop would be quite - erhm - ...
21:11 < th> but allow could be "log,accept"
21:12 < th> or even "log,redirect"
21:12 < mnemoc> i like that
21:12 < th> or "count,accept"
21:12 < mnemoc> mmm
21:12 < mnemoc> :(
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21:12 < th> that '"log,redirect"' was quite scary
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21:16 < rxr> this would make the simple firewall parser quite complex
21:17 < th> yes
21:17 < rxr> I would vote to introduce seperate keywords for those log count ...
21:17 < th> as i told. i don't know rocknet
21:17 < th> and i think i would not like to use it
21:17 < rxr> th: the ROCK Handbook with the new ROCK Net section will be online in some minutes
21:18 < th> rxr: perhaps i'll have a look at it tomorrow
21:18 < rxr> a proposal was on the rock-linux list (a few times) - and it is in SVN since half a week or so now
21:18 < th> rxr: yes i know
21:18 < th> rxr: but my interrest in it is quite low.
21:18 < th> sorry
21:18 < rxr> ok - no problem
21:19 < rxr> it is not complex anyway - and can easily be ignored if not wanted/needed ...
21:20 < th> i expected the latter one.
21:22 < cmk> I have to call to costa rica from germany. do you know how this works? 
21:26 < pieass> you have to dial +506
21:27 < pieass> this is the area code of costa rica.
21:28 < mnemoc> 3 digits?
21:28 < th> i'm away
21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - seems so ...
21:29 < rxr> cu th 
21:30 < pieass> cu
21:32 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch10.html
21:32 < rxr> ^- new ROCK Net section!
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21:59 < blindcoder> hrm... the LVP scripts aren't that good after all >_<
21:59 < blindcoder> echo "Rewrite scripts from scratch" >>TODO
22:42 < daja77> hehe
22:43 < blindcoder> well, the script as it is does work...
22:43 < blindcoder> but it is a whole shitload of crap and extending it became worse over today's work
22:44 < daja77> will have a look at that when working on multimedia target, have you learned sth from that code i gave you?
22:44 < blindcoder> sorry, haven't looked at it yet. Wanted to have encryption up and running to be able to write some DVDs to free hard disk space
22:44 < daja77> ;-)
22:45 < blindcoder> I only have some 2 GB free (of a 120 GB disk)
22:47 < daja77> oh
23:00  * blindcoder --> bed
23:00 < blindcoder> good night
23:01 < daja77> oon8 blindy
23:01 < daja77> n8 even
23:03 < rxr> hi daja77 
23:05 < MadTux> greetings
23:08 < daja77> hi rxr & MadTux 
23:08  * daja77 back from granny's birthday party ;-)
23:10 < MadTux> oh ongratz to granny.. have you given a new set of rock cds to her as gift?
23:10 < MadTux> :)
23:10 < daja77> no, don't think it is a good thing letting her doin it alone
23:11 < daja77> we bought a kde book for her
23:11 < MadTux> awesome :
23:12 < MadTux> great bday present :)
23:12 < daja77> :)
23:13 < daja77> hmm she has a beta4 on her pc ...
23:17  * daja77 always surprised what coneheads posting to rtai ml
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23:23 < daja77> who is remote and why is he playing with my connection ^^
23:24  * MadTux laughst
23:25 < MadTux> daja77: maybe its owl
23:26  * daja77 really have been asked who this remote guy is ^^
23:26 < daja77> hehe might be true
23:28 < daja77> doe we have a tag for ibm public license?
23:28 < daja77> -e
23:39  * daja77 goin to bed 
23:39 < daja77> cu
23:42 < pieass> gn8 daja
23:43 < MadTux> hi pieass
23:43 < MadTux> n8 daja77
23:43 < pieass> hi
23:44 < rxr> daja77: nope
23:47 < pieass> now he's having nightmares because he didn't know the answer, when he went to bed ;)
23:48 < rxr> SVN:HEAD's build status looks really good:
23:48 < rxr> 2070 builds total, 1058 completed fine, 17 with errors.
23:49 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.0.0-rc4-x86-pentium-mmx-32-reference-expert:
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   3 base/sendmail                   [5]   0 rene/ffmpeg
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 gnome24/seahorse                [5]   0 gnome24/abiword
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 kde31/kdeadmin31                [5]   0 alessandro/webmin
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 gnome24/gst-plugins             [5]   0 rene/coda
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 esden/tetradraw                 [5]   0 rene/vlc
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 gnome24/gnome-media             [5]   0 gnome24/nautilus-media
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 gnome24/rhythmbox               [5]   0 mnemoc/mono-debugger
23:49 < daja77> *gnarf* luser bug report mails prevent me from sleeping
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 mnemoc/mono-doc                 [5]   0 nikolaus/ocs
23:49 < rxr>  [5]   0 gnome24/pybliographer
23:49 < rxr> much fun fixing
23:49 < daja77> nice no kde package in that list
23:49  * netrunne1 hands daja77 his glasses
23:50 < rxr> daja77: hm? ROCK Linux "l"user?
23:50 -!- You're now known as netrunner
23:50 < rxr> jups kdeadmin
23:50 < daja77> btw is ifconfig intentionally missing in rc2
23:50 < daja77> yes
23:50 < rxr> oeh
23:50 < rxr> no
23:50 < daja77> just got complains about it
23:51 < netrunner> daja77: maybe normal user tried to ifconfig? it's in a sbin ...
23:51 < daja77> rxr: btw is there a special reason why usb stuff is compiled hard into the kernel while rockplug is trying to load the modules?
23:52 < daja77> netrunner: don't think so verifying this atm
23:53 < daja77> there is no ifconfig in /sbin
23:55 < netrunner> daja77: i guess that is a rockplug problem. it does not detect if something is modularized or not.
23:55 < daja77> guess the best thing is to sleep now and writing a detailed bug report for rc2 tomorrow, guess i'll find more stuff in it which might not have been fixed yet
23:56 < daja77> well all other distros i know have them as modules, personally i think that will be better
23:56 < daja77> it looks ugly to end users seeing that fake error messages ;-)
23:58 < rxr> daja77: yes - the rockplug code sucks
23:58 < rxr> this stuff will be cleaned up by me in the next days
23:58 < rxr> the current SVN rockplug code is also much cleaned up and fixes
23:58 < rxr> fixed even
23:59 < rxr> daja77: nope no modules
23:59 < rxr> I nearly only have USB only systems and I want a functional keyboard from the beginning without initrd
23:59 < rxr> this is really no problem - and rockplug should never try to load this modules
--- Log closed Son Nov 23 00:00:04 2003