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00:21 < cytrinox`> gn8
00:23 < elon_> im off too
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00:31  * daja77 off to bed, cu
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00:37 < MadTux> hola Aitor
00:37 < A-Tui> hola MadTux
00:38 < A-Tui> anyone have wrote code in Modula2?
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01:20 < rxr> cu - n8 all
01:20 < MadTux> n8 rxr
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04:02 < MadTux> hi mnemoc :)
04:04 < mnemoc> hi mike
04:04 < MadTux> how are you ?
04:04 < mnemoc> i'm still waiting your "i'm back!!! mail"
04:05 < MadTux> hehe
04:05 < MadTux> yeah i guess i should write it
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06:11 < owl> moin
06:11 < MadTux> hi owlita
06:11 < owl> hi MadTux 
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07:00 < nookie_> MadTux: Do you never sleep? :)
07:01 < MadTux> i don't know
07:01 < MadTux> :)
07:01 < MadTux> pehraps sometimes
07:03 < owl> *lol*
07:03 < owl> hi nookie_ 
07:03 < nookie_> heh :)
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07:07 < MadTux> hi daddel9__
07:12 < rxr> re
07:13 < MadTux> welcome back rxr
07:14 < netrunner> moin. in the dep_db.txt, libgnome does not depend on gnome-mime-data. that makes all my gnome stuff fail here.
07:15 < owl> moin netrunner 
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07:27 < rxr> netrunner: could you send me a reminder for the "missing dep" I'll take a look as soon as I can
07:36 < netrunner> rxr: when I am at the varsity. gnome-mime-data has not yet been built btw. but about 16 gnome packages already failed.
07:39  * netrunner restarted the build.
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07:56 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
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07:56 [ [anders]  ] [ cchamilt   ] [ esden  ] [ mnemoc   ] [ praenti] [ snyke] 
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08:02 < owl> moin blindy
08:03 < blindcoder> moin owly
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08:10 < MadTux> n8
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08:10 < owl> gn8 Miguel
09:14 < netrunne1> hm. gnome-mime-data vanished from my config/bla/packages. reconfiguring and restarting ...
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09:15 < daja77> moin netrunner
09:15 < blindcoder> moin netti, moin daja
09:15 < daja77> hi blindy
09:16  * daja77 burning again his lvp cd to present it today
09:16 < owl> hi daja77 
09:16 < daja77> hi owl
09:17 < netrunner> moin daja77, blindcoder, owl
09:20  * daja77 off to uni cu
09:20 < blindcoder> gajpresent it where and to whom?
09:21 < blindcoder> daja77: present it where and to whom?
10:03 < netrunner> what is Gnome configuration applet libraries >= 1.0.0... not found? gconf?
10:04 < owl> yeah.
10:04 < blindcoder> I think so
10:04  * netrunner notes down: gtkhtml10 needs to depend on gconf
10:04 < owl> aeh. not only on this... *cough*
10:05 < owl> .oO(and normally then libglade will fail.. .(at least here))
10:05 < blindcoder> libglade is fixed, wasn't it?
10:05 < owl> fixed libglade? O_o when?
10:06 < netrunner> the main problem was what i sent to the rlml, gnome-mime-data not built, causing a devils ring on gnome stuff
10:07 < netrunner> owl: log-current/5-libglade10.log  log-current/5-libglade.log  log-current/5-libglademm.log
10:08 < owl> *hrmpf*
10:08 < owl> thx
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10:08 < netrunner> hi clifford 
10:08 < owl> hi clifford 
10:08 < clifford> hi!
10:09 < blindcoder> hi clifford 
10:13 < blindcoder> does anyone know, if it is possible to have the initrd on another floppy than the kernel with red hat kernels?
10:20 < clifford> blindcoder: this has nothing to do with the kernel - loading kernel and initrd is in the responsibility of the boot loader.
10:20 < clifford> blindcoder: http://www.rocklinux.org/mdlbl.html
10:22 < blindcoder> *gnarf*, just a moment, firing up w3m, that site doesn't work here
10:24 < blindcoder> clifford: thanks :)
10:28 < blindcoder> okay, now, how to mount a floppy on solaris...
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11:52 < netrunner> hm. while already building packages from stage 7, 0-gcc2 just got scheduled.
11:56 < blindcoder> hehe, sound like ROCK Cluster Build :)
11:56  * blindcoder has said nothing
11:56 < owl> *hrhr*
11:57 < clifford> netrunner: hmmm... did you change the config or something alike?
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11:58 < owl> HOEH!? huebi is alive?
11:59 < huebi_> moin owl 
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11:59 < owl> hi. how are you?
11:59 < huebi> fine
12:01 < blindcoder> hi huebi !
12:02 < huebi> hi blindcoder :-)
12:02 < blindcoder> too bad today isn't April 1st, I'd have such a nice joke which would also fit into recent things in LA...
12:03 < netrunner> 853 builds total, 408 completed fine, 5 with errors.
12:03 < owl> blindcoder: hoeh?
12:03 < blindcoder> owl: well, some office complained about the master/slave definitions because they are discriminating
12:04 < blindcoder> owl: so I thought about adding a "woman" command like the "man" command, only that the woman command would always print "You'd never understand! Go away, I have a headache..."
12:04 < owl> O_o
12:05 < blindcoder> mom
12:05 < blindcoder> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&e=5&u=/nm/master_dc
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12:25  * blindcoder lunch probably
12:26  * owl offeres blindcoder the 2nd half of a "lachspizza"
12:26 < blindcoder> or not
12:26 < blindcoder> I need someone for lunch, and that someone isn't here right now
12:26 < blindcoder> lachspizza... nah, thanks
12:27 < owl> why not?
12:27 < owl> it's taste is great
12:27 < owl> i'm just already filled
12:27 < owl> kasc: you want one?
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12:39 < cytrinox`-> re
12:48  * netrunner starts getting hungry
12:49  * owl offers netrunner a "lachspizza"
12:49 < owl> .oO(you can get it if you're in munich-gern)
13:17 < daja77> blindcoder: to the linuxtag orga team
13:25 < blindcoder> phew, I feel like I don't need something to neat for another week
13:25 < blindcoder> daja77: nice. Did it work?
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14:06 < deltha> hi, what do I need in order to get MTA working (sendmail) it was installed but it does not create or write in /var/spool/mail
14:06 < deltha> ?
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14:35 < netrunner> 853 builds total, 453 completed fine, 5 with errors.
14:36 < netrunner> deltha: start it? is that dir existing? maybe it is configured to write somewhere else?
14:56 < blindcoder> okay, looks like I'm done rewriting lvpxml.sh :)
14:56 < blindcoder> it even got two new features in addition to cleaner code and less bugs :)
14:58 < blindcoder> brb
15:02 < daja77> blindcoder: will show it at 19:00
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15:06 < blindcoder> daja77: okay, I hope it works
15:06  * daja77 too ^^
15:06 < blindcoder> daja77: where do you show it? foreign machine? or own machine (eg laptop)?
15:07 < daja77> foreign machine, so fate will decide
15:07 < netrunner> what are you talking about? something I could also have fun with?
15:08 < blindcoder> netrunner: LVP
15:08 < blindcoder> http://frehmeat.net/lvp
15:08 < clifford> netrunner: ad. gnome-mime-data dependency:
15:08 < blindcoder> netrunner: well... I haven't encountered a machine where it didn't work... yet...
15:08 < blindcoder> it works even in vmware now
15:09 < clifford> would there be any way to extend the current dependency-detection to depend this dependency?
15:09 < netrunner> ray: ach ne ;)
15:09 < netrunner> argl
15:10 < blindcoder> oops, http://freshmeat.net/lvp of course
15:10 < deltha> <netrunner> yes
15:10 < deltha> that exists
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15:14 < netrunner> blindcoder: yet another selfbootable movie dvd?
15:14 < netrunner> ah, 4.13
15:15  * netrunner does not like the split window of irssi
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15:25 < blindcoder> netrunner: yes, but ROCK based :)
15:29 < netrunner> blindcoder: why don't you put the scripts movix uses on a ROCK target? just the interface. 
15:30 < netrunner> blindcoder: I mean that console movix version, that uses framebuffer.
15:31 < blindcoder> netrunner: I have learnt of movix after I started LVP and haven't yet had a closer look at it than at the screenshots
15:32 < blindcoder> LVP currently has what I want and if I someday want more I'll be sure to have a look at movix :)
15:33 < blindcoder> I just needed to reimplement some scripts because they were really dirty
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15:51  * blindcoder going home
16:51  * blindcoder at home now
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17:05 < daja77> re
17:08 < mnemoc> re
17:08 < mnemoc> hi daja77, blindcoder 
17:09 < mnemoc> how shall create etc/network/modules dir? sysfiles? iproute2?
17:09 < mnemoc> s/how/who/
17:16 < clifford> mnemoc: i see - iproute2 is built before sysfiles ...
17:17 < mnemoc> :) any problem with just adding mkdir -p ?
17:17 < clifford> an "mkdir -p" should be added to iproute2 in this case - without modifying sysfiles.
17:17 < mnemoc> :)
17:17 < clifford> if a package creates a directory plus file(s) inside, the directory isn't added to the flist.
17:17 < clifford> so doing "mkdir -p" before installing such files is never a bad idea.
17:18 < mnemoc> i was wondering about flist-related things
17:19 < mnemoc> build resumed
17:19 < clifford> good. can you send a patch to rene?
17:19 < mnemoc> sure
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19:19 < rxr> re
19:19 < rxr> hi clifford hi mnemoc 
19:20 < netrunner> hi rxr
19:21  * netrunner just noticed mew stopped during compile. something about 'cannot open file' in the .out
19:23 < netrunner> 853 builds total, 563 completed fine, 10 with errors.
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21:30 < rxr> back in some minutes
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22:02 < rxr> re
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22:18 < netrunner> hi rxr. what is that module-init-tools vs. modutils shared files thing I see here?
22:20 < rxr> re
22:20 < rxr> hm - have not taken a look
22:21 < rxr> ah I guess because they do not depend on each other
22:21 < rxr> or do they - momement phone
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22:22 < netrunner> they have files in common. e.g.: sbin/depmod: module-init-tools modutils
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22:23 < netrunner> n8
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22:26 < Nebukadneza> hi Holy_GNU
22:26 < Holy_GNU> Nebukadneza: Hello there.
22:26 < Nebukadneza> anyone else here?
22:30 < rxr> jups
22:30  * rxr 
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22:30 < MadTux> re
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22:32 < rxr> hi MadTux 
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22:38 < daja77> re
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22:40 < daja77> hi HolyGNU 
22:40 < HolyGNU> daja77: Hello there.
22:41 < daja77> should i know you?
22:41 < Nebukadneza> daja77: you have to write the name as prefix
22:41 < daja77> hm?
22:42 < Nebukadneza> its a bot *fg*
22:42 < daja77> ic
22:42 < daja77> ah k. j-alice
22:42 < Nebukadneza> jeah
22:42 < daja77> anybody allowed you to run a bot here?
22:43 < daja77> hi MadTux
22:48 < rxr> SMP recently kicked a bot ...
22:49 < rxr> or better logger ...
22:51 < daja77> hi rxr
22:55 < daja77> !daja77
22:55 < daja77> hmm a bot that has no keyword for me ^^
22:55 < daja77> guess i like this one more
22:55 < daja77> 22:53 < daja77> !daja77
22:55 < daja77> 22:53 < JMoTux> <daja77>You should all be using Rock Linux...</daja77>
22:56 < daja77> but i admit that this statement is not that necessary her
22:56 < daja77> here
23:12 < daja77> n8 you all
23:13 < rxr> n8 daja77 
23:18 < puzzled> lo
23:19 < puzzled> rxr: was the aix info helpfull?
23:19 < rxr> puzzled: yes - but I had not enough free time yet
23:19 < rxr> university stuff - and meeting a nice girl ...
23:20 < puzzled> rxr: enjoy! :)
23:20 < rxr> but it was rather helpful and I already dissected it a bit during a lecture at university
23:20 < puzzled> heh, nice to see the professor has your undivided attention
23:20 < rxr> I still need to verify some final things and then I guess I need to patch mkisofs to allow the integration of the dos partition as volume ...
23:20 < puzzled> nice
23:21 < puzzled> I tried to figure out how to make such an image and couldn't figure it out
23:21 < rxr> puzzled: well it is a c++ lecture - and since I do quite much C++ I now more about it then he
23:21 < puzzled> patching mkisofs is well beyond my capabilities
23:21 < puzzled> rxr: guess I should have taken the lecture :)
23:21 < rxr> s/now/know/
23:22 < rxr> but I listen with some idle brain time - enough for some correcting statements - and today I even showed some template specialisation "tricks" on the board ...
23:22 < puzzled> heh
23:23 < rxr> I'm one of the two authors of:
23:23 < rxr> http://gsmp.rocklinux-consulting.de/gsmp/
23:23 < rxr> altough the current (outdated) 0.0.5 version is not that bad and quite modern C++ we are currently rewriting it compelte from scratch
23:24 < rxr> creating an even more powerful C++ audio framwork - that can be used from embedded effects to a graphical audio workstation
23:24 < puzzled> wow, looks like audacity has a serious competitor
23:24 < puzzled> looks impressive
23:24 < rxr> yeah - if I would not do that much ROCK Linux stuff ... - to bad if one does not like any dist that much that we do need to do our own one ... ;-)
23:25 < rxr> well this version is rather old - more current code is at:
23:25 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/gsmp/trunk/
23:26 < rxr> the next generation GUI will also not use Gtk-- anymore - we will use an own canvas implementation based upon evas from www.enlightenment.org
23:26 < puzzled> sounds like a serious undertaking
23:26 < rxr> wil look like a mixture of www.blender3d.org and http://www.ableton.de/ - where the later is commercial only ...
23:26 < puzzled> haven't used enlightenment in years
23:27 < rxr> I neither - but the canvas code for E17 is quite cool
23:28 < rxr> http://www.enlightenment.org/pages/pdf/evas.pdf
23:28 < puzzled> oh, hardware accelerated. is that similar to os x?
23:34 < rxr> it is a vector canvas like OpenGL
23:34 < rxr> if can use OpenGL and X11 as output device - although the X one is obviously limitted
23:35 < puzzled> cool stuff
23:35 < rxr> but it can completely render the canvas accurate and fast in software (faster then Mesa would render the Evas OpenGL data)
23:35 < rxr> the software render makes it interesting for embedded, frame-buffer and non OpenGL boxes
23:36 < puzzled> directfb.org does that too iirc
23:38 < rxr> but not vector based canvas
23:38 < rxr> what we need is a abstraction of the graphic IO used
23:38 < rxr> and a reasonable fast software render as fallback
23:38 < rxr> evas (currently seems to be) the idial solution
23:39 < puzzled> ok
23:40 < rxr> hi think I can continue with the PowerPC rs6k boot CD stuff tomorrow
23:40 < puzzled> that be great
23:41 < puzzled> did the package building finish succesfully already?
23:46 < rxr> jups - the ISO got also already installed on some iBooks ...
23:46 < rxr> it is here:
23:46 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/incoming/
23:46  * puzzled looks
23:46 < rxr> but you do not need to download it yet since it needs some updates for proper rs6k booting
23:46 < puzzled> ok, I'll wait till you give the go ahead :)
23:47 < rxr> and our ROCK Linux installer stuff will not fit onto a single disk ...
23:47 < puzzled> which kernel version do you ship with it?
23:47 < rxr> I would need to rip the 2nd_stage_small image down further to get it onto a single floppy
23:47 < rxr> 2.4.22-benh2 is the PowerPC default
23:47 < puzzled> ok
23:47 < rxr> 2.4.22 is also included
23:48 < rxr> and 2.6.0-text{something} would too - if it would currently build on PowerPC ...
23:48 < rxr> (or did it build - hm I do not remember and the rs6k is currently shut down since I stressed it a bit trying many boot-cd variants
23:48 < rxr> )
23:48 < puzzled> heh
23:48 < rxr> and when it is turned off I can sleep better ...
23:49 < rxr> otherwise my room gets too loud and due to the usual difficult real life stuff - girls and so on - I move to another flat soon
23:49 < rxr> with a better place for the 6k - near my head of the bed is not that good ...
23:49 < puzzled> my rs6k is the most silent one of all boxes in my bedroom
23:49 < rxr> ;-)
23:49 < puzzled> an old PII-400 is noisiest
23:50 < rxr> yes - it is not that loud
23:50 < rxr> my 4 disk RADI-5 x86 Athlon 2.5 does also make more noise - as does the Ultrs SPARC 5 ... @ 270Mhz ...
23:50 < rxr> best is the iBook I just type on - normally no noise at all ;-)
23:51 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
23:51 < rxr> the iBook is the coolest box I ever hat anyway - I can really recommend it ...
23:52 < puzzled> yeah, laptops are nice. I have an old tecra 8000 that's excellent for typing away
23:52 < A-Tui> hi all
23:52 < puzzled> bit slow though
23:53 < rxr> yeah a PowerBook would be faster - but after three years with a low-end Gericom Celeron 633 with UnifiedMemoryArchitecture the iBook 800 is really fast
23:53 < A-Tui> rxr: i'm going to get one of them this christmas
23:53 < rxr> and also faster then the rs6k - I one used both to do a cluster build
23:53 < rxr> A-Tui: ;-)
23:53 < A-Tui> it would be my own present :)
23:54 < rxr> I also plan a PR photo placing all the iBook people have around on the rs6k and run a ROCK PowerPC cluster build on them - just for fun
23:54 < rxr> A-Tui: hehe
23:55 < puzzled> I'd love to have one of those laptops with a 16" screen (or was it 17")
23:55 < rxr> I like smaller ones - I have a 14" iBook - but a PowerPC sub-notebook would really ROCK
23:55 < rxr> recently I travel a lot arround ... - the lighter the better ;-)
23:55 < A-Tui> the pretiest is the smallest one
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