--- Log opened Fre Nov 28 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Fre Nov 28 2003
00:00 < puzzled> how does the powerbook's 1.33GHz G4 cpu compare to an Intel or AMD?
00:01 < cytrinox> gn8
00:01 < rxr> most integer benchmarks run on a 900 Mhz iBook run bit faster then on a 1.1Ghz desktop AMD system
00:02 < puzzled> ok
00:02 < rxr> however we encoutnered some floating point scaling problems
00:02 < rxr> but this might be due to the not optimizable nature of the one bench a friend run
00:03 < rxr> I did only verified some benchs - I just heared many results from the friend working at:
00:03 < rxr> http://www.hu-berlin.de/indexe.html
00:03 < rxr> doing some protein matchin stuff recently ...
00:03 < mnemoc> re
00:04 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
00:04 < mnemoc> hi rxr
00:04 < rxr> I need to go to bed ... 
00:04 < rxr> too bad - just when mnemoc arrives
00:04 < mnemoc> :'(
00:04 < rxr> yes :-(
00:05 < rxr> I think I'll be arround today's afternoon and night
00:05 < rxr> cu then
00:05 < mnemoc> cu
00:05 < puzzled> nite rxr
00:06 < rxr> wow: www.rocklinux-consulting.de:
00:06 < rxr> 8651
00:06 < rxr> 9985
00:06 < rxr> 37993
00:06 < rxr> 54794
00:06 < rxr> 1.94 GB
00:06 < rxr> Unique visitors
00:06 < rxr> Number of visits
00:06 < rxr> Pages
00:06 < rxr> Hits
00:06 < rxr> Bandwidth
00:06 < rxr> hm - damn drag 'n drop X stuff ...
00:07 < rxr> shoudl have beed (this months);
00:07 < rxr> 5438
00:07 < rxr> 6211
00:07 < rxr> 18368
00:07 < rxr> 24932
00:07 < rxr> 1008.79 MB
00:07 < rxr> so - sorry for that much noise ...
00:07 < rxr> cu 
00:10 < mnemoc> cu
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00:27 < tsa> hi.
00:29 < mnemoc> hi tds
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00:51 < MadTux> re
00:54 < mnemoc> wb TuxGrille
00:55 < MadTux> Hola Alejandro. Espero que estes muy bien.
01:02 < mnemoc> la  salud familiar esta bien, asi que todo lo importante esta bien ;)
01:02 < mnemoc> y ud?
01:33 < zum> good morning #rocklinux
01:33  * zum just installed ROCK
01:37 < mnemoc> impresed? =)
01:40 < zum> well, I'm positively taken from the fact it boots now :)
01:42 < zum> the ISO images didn't come with net-tools, though, which was kind of surprising...
01:43 < mnemoc> generic includes net-tools, don┤ know about drock
01:44 < MadTux> mnemoc: bueno no tan bien, algo deprimido, pero bueno la familia bien asi que lo demas es secundario
01:45 < mnemoc> depresion por negocios o por 'corazon'?
01:46 < zum> I suppose that all come with it since it includes ifconfig, route and other useful tools -- anyway it may be that I broke some of the CD's while burning them since there were a couple of packages that failed to install
01:46 < mnemoc> zum: you can rebuild any package using Emerge-Pkg tool
01:48 < MadTux> mnemoc: un acumulado de muchas cosas
01:48 < zum> yep, I just found that out
01:48 < mnemoc> MadTux: salud!
01:49 < MadTux> mnemoc: ah well. At least i am rocking
01:49  * mnemoc gives a vodka bottle to Mike1
01:50 < mnemoc> MadTux: you are not rocking until you send the fscking mail
01:51 < MadTux> mnemoc: can't you understand i'm too lazy to stop coding and write mails
01:51 < mnemoc> send a patch then :)
01:51 < MadTux> good idea :)
01:52  * MadTux takes the bottle of vodka, cheers!
01:52  * mnemoc gives vodka to zum too
01:52 < mnemoc> CHEERS!
01:52 < zum> Ahoy! :)
01:52 < MadTux> lets get this party started
01:53 < mnemoc> i dont know but i┤ thinking of...
01:54 < MadTux> ...
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01:54  * mnemoc is getting too 'pop' :(
01:56 < mnemoc> MadTux: where is the real music? play us something
02:02  * MadTux grabs his guitar and begins to play really load
02:02  * MadTux Rammstein - Engel
02:05 < MadTux> Ale ya aprendi a decir masturbacion en aleman, sabes como se dice?
02:07 < mnemoc> ensename :)
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02:07 < MadTux> Frotten Verguen :)
02:07 < mnemoc> :o
02:08 < MadTux> :P
02:08 < mnemoc> no creo que nadie mas entienda el chiste :\
02:09 < MadTux> pq crees que to dije en espanol?
02:09 < MadTux> :P
02:09 < mnemoc> lol
02:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: http://people.hack-solutions.com/mike/fun/cartaasanta.mp3
02:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: Feliz Navidad :)
02:09  * MadTux switch to english now
02:10 < mnemoc> export LANG=EN is geeker ;)
02:11 < MadTux> you are right.. God i think i have been away too long help!!!
02:12 < mnemoc> too much reallife is bad for health
02:12 < MadTux> mnemoc: download the joke and tell me what you think
02:13 < mnemoc> i don┤ have 'audio' here :(
02:13 < MadTux> you suck!
02:13 < mnemoc> yes :(
02:14 < MadTux> its ok
02:14  * MadTux pets mnemoc
02:15 < mnemoc> burning it to cdrw to listen it on the dvd :)
02:16 < MadTux> hehe good boy :) trust me its fun
02:16 < MadTux> note: its in spanish, sorry guys
02:17 < mnemoc> rotfl
02:17 < MadTux> haha :)
02:18 < MadTux> i got a video for blindcoder.. perhaps will let him have it when he is around
02:25 < mnemoc> db-4.2.50 mmmm
02:28 < mistik1> who is the maintainer for QT in rocklinux?
02:28 < mnemoc> rene?
02:28 < mistik1> oko
02:29 < mistik1> I need to find out how you guys handle building it in your build system
02:29 < MadTux> mistik1: see the rock trunk..
02:29 < mnemoc> did you read the handbook? what didn┤ you understood?
02:29  * MadTux away on a meeting
02:31 < mistik1> dont get me wrong guys at the moment i'm only after the one app
02:34 < mnemoc> you have to undestand the 'building framework' first, after that everything is clear
02:36 < mistik1> ok
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04:22 < MadTux> re
04:35 < mnemoc> mi
04:41 < mnemoc> MadTux: you can send a patch to create the NEW bdb4.2 ;) that patch can revive the list 
04:46 < MadTux> ok
04:46 < mnemoc> :(
04:47 < MadTux> i said i will.
04:47 < MadTux> for now i am on a meeting
04:47  * mnemoc gives a bottle of pisco to MadTux 
04:47 < mnemoc> online meeting?
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04:47 < MadTux> norl
04:47 < MadTux> no rl
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04:48 < mnemoc> o_O
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04:48 < MadTux> real life
04:49 < mnemoc> and wtf are you doing here?
04:50 < MadTux> hekps me to not fall asleep
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05:11 < mnemoc> good night dirty boys
06:07 < owl> moin
06:52 < nookie> moin
06:56 < netrunner> moin
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07:07 < owl> hi nookie , netrunner , Nebukadneza` 
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07:25 < jani_> hi all.  i'm considering installing rocklinux on a compaq laptop, and was wondering if there were any known issues.  My laptop has slightly quirky hardware.
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07:34 < owl> hi jani_ 
07:36 < sten> ack, I keep <ctrl>+<enter>
07:37 < sten> How "linux-2.6" ready is/will Rock 2.0 be?
07:39 < sten> I've had some interesting linux-2.61-test10 problems while testing on a Slackware system
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07:48 < owl> sten: which problems with -test10?
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08:08 < sten> blindcoder: that was for you.  (dyslexic middle finger)
08:08 < jani_> um... i'm just trying to build rock2.0 rc2, and the downloading of the sources doesn't seem to work. The error message is along the lines of Found download/Mirror :none  I've tried deleting download/Mirror (which was empty anyway) but no joy
08:08 < blindcoder> sten: oh, also... no idea with that sorry, using OSS
08:09 < blindcoder> jani_: deleting download/Mirror results in new autodetection of a mirror
08:09 < sten> blindcoder: I used to, but am getting reader for linux-2.6, and since it's default, I thought I'd try to see how well everything would integrate
08:09 < blindcoder> jani_: if you don't want to use a mirror do a `echo none >download/Mirror`
08:10 < jani_> yeah, i've done that 3 or 4 times, and it comes up the same every time.  ah, i'll try that
08:10 < sten> ah, crap, it's getting late.  I've got to meet someone
08:10  * sten is back
08:10  * sten is back
08:10 < blindcoder> sten: okay, bye
08:10 < blindcoder> jani_: that's not an error, just an information
08:11 < jani_> oh... i think i've found the problem, i was trying to build it on a gentoo box, and didn't have curl installed
08:12 < blindcoder> ah, there's the problem :)
08:12 < jani_> yeah :) silly me
08:12 < blindcoder> we should do a sanity check if curl is installed
08:13 < blindcoder> I'll code something up for this
08:13 < jani_> ok, now it's working, testing different mirrors
08:15 < blindcoder> :)
08:16 < jani_> i built rock once before, a few years ago, but that time i used the iso which booted into a build environment, but this time I thought I'd try it on my fastest computer
08:17 < blindcoder> well, there shouldn't be any major hassles on a gentoo box, though I never personally tried
08:18 < jani_> i'll let you know how I go.  
08:18 < blindcoder> thanks :)
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08:42 < owl> hrmpf. sometimes my bf is _really_ lazy
08:54 < blindcoder> *yawn*
08:54 < mistik1> moin blindcoder 
08:55 < mistik1> how things
08:55 < blindcoder> moin mistik1 
08:55 < blindcoder> good so far, just not much to do at work right now
08:55 < mistik1> heh
08:55 < mistik1> and that's a bad  thing?
08:56 < blindcoder> setting up a red hat kickstart server and being stuck with the boot disks >_<
08:56 < mistik1> by that you mean a server that you will install from or installing a new server via kickstart?
08:58 < blindcoder> a server Ill be installing from
08:59 < blindcoder> Well the machine is set up
08:59 < blindcoder> now I'm trying to install another machine from it
09:00 < blindcoder> The bad thing is: I have no access to the machine I shall install without being "escorted" by a co-worker here >_>
09:00 < netrunner> argl. stew calls install -m 644 images/straw.png `pkg-config libgnome-2.0 --variable=prefix || echo /usr/local`/share/pixmaps 
09:00 < netrunner> and that doesnt work. why? 
09:00 < blindcoder> and that certain someone isn't here right now, so I don't have much to do
09:01 < blindcoder> netrunner: guves me/opt/gnome2 here
09:01 < mistik1> blindcoder: what problems are you having?
09:02 < blindcoder> mistik1: that I never used red hat before :)
09:02 < mistik1> hehe
09:02 < blindcoder> mistik1: like I said, currently I'm waiting for access to the machine
09:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: yes, me too. but not if the script is called. he always puts stuff to /usr/local
09:02 < blindcoder> netrunner: so just patch it
09:03 < netrunner> blindcoder: the makefile?
09:03 < blindcoder> netrunner: I take it pkg-config deosn't fing the information for libgnome-2.0
09:03 < blindcoder> netrunner: there are certain ways to make pkg-config look in other directories, though I don't know them by heart
09:03 < MadTux> hi blindy
09:04 < blindcoder> hi MadTux
09:04 < owl> hi MadTux 
09:04 < mistik1> blindcoder: If you like I can send you a copy of my last ks install I did
09:04 < MadTux> blindy do you like neon genesis evangelion?
09:04 < mistik1> the kickstart file anyway
09:04 < netrunner> blindcoder: it works if I go to the src.xxx dir and run debug.sh. 
09:05 < mistik1> minux passwords and such
09:05 < MadTux> hi owly how do you feel today?
09:05 < blindcoder> mistik1: Thanks, I already have the corresponding ks.cfg files lying around. It' the PXE-Boot thing and all that that have kept me busy
09:05 < blindcoder> MadTux: sure :)
09:06 < MadTux> blindy got something 4 ya
09:06 < owl> MadTux: hmmm... so, so. thx. you?
09:06  * MadTux will upload in a moment
09:06 < blindcoder> MadTux: hm?
09:06 < MadTux> bc just a vids of it
09:06 < MadTux> owly good thanks
09:07 < blindcoder> MadTux:AMV? cool :)
09:07 < netrunner> PREFIX ?= `pkg-config libgnome-2.0 --variable=prefix || echo /usr/local`
09:07 < netrunner> what means the ? before = 
09:08 < mistik1> blindcoder: cool
09:08 < blindcoder> hmm... looks like I'll be lonely on 20C3 - at least according to the event registration :)
09:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: no idea
09:10 < blindcoder> netrunner: looks like some sort of comparison
09:10 < blindcoder> netrunner: like C's ( x = 10 ? 1 : 0 )
09:15 < mistik1> blindcoder: I think you'll find that kickstart kick ass bigtime
09:15 < blindcoder> mistik1: Well, if pxe works as intended, then if a machine fubar's I just select "Install from scratch", after that I start our rollout script and be done
09:16 < netrunner> blindcoder: no, the `..||..` stuff itself evaluates to one of them, so the ?= must be for sth else.
09:16 < mistik1> that file i was telling you about I used to install an ASP server a couple months ago, complete with RAID
09:16 < mistik1> I had the guy at the colo going nuts
09:17 < mistik1> btw this server is 2000 miles away so I could not afford a screwup
09:17 < mistik1> you planning to use PXE to load the install image?
09:19 < jani_> when the instructions say Build-Target will take multiple days, roughly what order of magnitude are we talking about for an athlon xp 3000+ and the desktop distribution? roughly the same as gentoo, ie about 2 days?
09:20 < blindcoder> mistik1: since all machines here have a working PXE-NIC, yes
09:20 < blindcoder> mistik1: for cases where that doesn't work, I plan on adding an additional grub-entry
09:20 < blindcoder> mistik1: if that also fails, I have install disks :)
09:21 < blindcoder> jani_: compiling generic on a P4 1.8GHz with 512 MB RAMBus it took me about 6 days including Rebuild Stage
09:21 < jani_> blindcoder ah, thanks... i guess i'll leave it over the weekend then :) 
09:22 < blindcoder> jani_: what frequency is your Athlon operating at? 2.4GHz?
09:22 < jani_> cpu MHz         : 2104.876  but bogomips        : 4194.30
09:23 < blindcoder> so, 2GHz.. I guess it will take about 4 days if you include Rebuild Stage, a bit over 2 days if not
09:24 < mistik1> I just need some RAM and my rock build machine will be done
09:24 < mistik1> blindcoder: I am setting up a dual pIII 800 1gb as a build box
09:24 < mistik1> what do you estimate on that
09:24 < netrunner> mistik1: I hardly recommend using tempfs. with 1g you can use 800MB tempfs for building.
09:25 < mistik1> hardly or highly?
09:25 < blindcoder> mistik1: hmm... 800 MHz... with rebuild... just under 2 weeks
09:25 < blindcoder> mistik1: personally, I'm not convinced of the "Cluster Build" Feature of ROCK
09:25 < netrunner> mistik1: choose one ;)
09:26 < mistik1> so no advantage for SMP?
09:26 < netrunner> blindcoder: it works. just some deps are wrong, I am correcting those now.
09:26 < blindcoder> mistik1: if you use Cluster Build on a single machine... it MAY work... but you should expect unexpected behaviour
09:26 < netrunner> mistik1: it's fine. I just build with only like 20 errs
09:26 < blindcoder> mistik1: like what netrunner reported: 0-gcc2 being built after 7-perl
09:27 < netrunner> blindcoder: no, that was some weird new output that was added, the 0 meaning the deps on that pkg
09:27 < blindcoder> netrunner: oh... I see
09:28 < owl> someone knows the "securemote" client? and is it free for download?
09:28 < mistik1> I've been waiting a long time to build my own rock
09:28  * blindcoder takes everything back, says the opposite :)
09:28 < mistik1> i can wait a little longer
09:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: or something else, t least it was my fault.
09:28 < blindcoder> netrunner: I see
09:29 < netrunner> mistik1: I am working on fixing the cluster currently. the scripts work fine, just the dependency db is not complete, so some packages are built to early.
09:29 < netrunner> mostly gnome stuff
09:29 < blindcoder> mistik1: if the cluster build feature works, it should be roughly over a week at worst
09:29 < mistik1> hmm
09:30 < blindcoder> brb
09:30  * netrunner needs about 48h on a dual athlonxp 2400+
09:31 < netrunner> for desktop. generic takes a little longer, since it includes more packages
09:31  * mistik1 needs to just build a damn cluster and be done with it
09:31 < mistik1> Its not like I dont have enough CPUS
09:40 < blindcoder> back
09:45 < daja77> moin
09:46 < blindcoder> moin daja77 
09:46 < blindcoder> daja77: did it work? did it? did it? did it?
09:48 < daja77> sorry, i made no presentation, only talks cos we were very busy, and had not much time
09:48 < blindcoder> damn...
09:48 < daja77> yes
09:48 < daja77> but i gave one copy to girl, well maybe she tries it
09:49 < blindcoder> okay
09:49 < daja77> the meeting was from 19:== til 22:15 O_o
09:49 < daja77> 19:00
09:50 < blindcoder> hmm... sounds like our "Firmenessen" here :)
09:50 < daja77> but no food there :(
09:51 < blindcoder> sucks.... no meeting without food xor without me :)
09:51 < daja77> and they want to include knoppix on that cd *sigh*
09:52 < blindcoder> well, knoppix _is_ a _bit_ more popular than rock
09:55 < daja77> guess i will put the original knoppix iso on the dvd and add a boot option for it
09:56 < netrunner> daja77: you boot an iso-image on a dvd?
09:56 < blindcoder> sounds good, that way everyone gets what he des^Wwants
09:57 < daja77> netrunner: i will try yes
09:57 < netrunner> daja77: sounds nice :)
09:57 < daja77> indeed :)
10:02 < blindcoder> daja77: I added my linux24_quiet.patch to lvp, so that the kernel doesn't print tons of messages (iow: it now only prints error messages)
10:02 < daja77> cool
10:03 < daja77> what about booting in frambuffer mode?
10:03 < netrunner> blindcoder: could you please add that patch to ROCK making it an option?
10:04 < blindcoder> daja77: framebuffers are loaded by hwscan, since I can't know which card is in the machine
10:04 < blindcoder> netrunner: just add the parameter "quiet" to the kernel, that shuts down almost all messages
10:04 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, ok :)
10:04 < blindcoder> I just set the loglevel down to 3 where it had been 4
10:05 < blindcoder> and that requires a kernel patch *d'ouh'
10:05 < daja77> hmm when the fb drivers are all in the kernel it should work, no?
10:05 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, it should. I planned on creating a complete kernel config since Monday, but haven't been at home long enough to do so
10:06 < blindcoder> daja77: if that works, I also think about the Linux Progress Patch for LPP
10:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: may I suggest bootsplash.org?
10:07 < blindcoder> netrunner: bootsplash loads from the filesystem, doesn't it?
10:07 < netrunner> blindcoder: initrd afaik
10:07 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... sounds good, I'll look into it
10:08 < netrunner> blindcoder: I'll try adding it to ROCK (optional).
10:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: yes, that would be nice :) then I can use it without problems in LVP :)
10:10 < blindcoder> that reminds me, I need to send a mail to the maintainer of cdrecord-prodvd
10:13 < blindcoder> netrunner: any ideas when you'll be done integrating bootsplash? *g*
10:18 < netrunner> blindcoder: when I'm done ;)
10:18 < netrunner> blindcoder: I need to find out how to add a patch to the kernel from another package.
10:19 < owl> hmmmmm. someone could suggest me something i should eat at the chinease ?
10:19 < blindcoder> netrunner: meep meep, pkg_linux24_post.conf
10:20 < blindcoder> netrunner: I can send you an example
10:20 < blindcoder> owl: chicken or duck
10:20 < owl> hmmmm. is it "scharf"?
10:21 < blindcoder> netrunner: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/pkg_linux24_post.conf
10:21 < blindcoder> owl: if you order a meal that is, then yes. But there are also curry, sweet-sour or other flavors
10:21 < netrunner> owl: you can always ask chinese guys to make it extra hot.
10:22 < owl> *hrhr*
10:22 < owl> thx.
10:22 < blindcoder> netrunner: just put that file into the package that contains bootsplash and if bootsplash is activated, then it will be executed just after linux24.conf
10:22 < netrunner> blindcoder: thx
10:23 < blindcoder> netrunner: np, I coded this feature up, after all :)
10:23 < blindcoder> (well not alone, but it was my idea :)
10:25 < netrunner> blindcoder: do we have the kernel version in some var?
10:25 < blindcoder> netrunner: mom, hav to look, but yes
10:26 < blindcoder> netrunner: ${desc_V}
10:26 < blindcoder> netrunner: or ${ver}
10:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: thx. 
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11:31  * daja77 is rolling on the floor laughing
11:32  * blindcoder wants, too!
11:34 < owl> <- rolls without abusing the door. just need to "walk" then i'm rolling
11:34 < owl> <- ugly stupid asshole
11:35 < daja77> i ever told these guys at work that we have to upgrade that old suse and samba and stuff, but they always said: hey don't touch a running system, yesterday they tried a winn2k box on it, and surprise they can't access that server with it *muhahahahaha*
11:35 < owl> *lol*
11:35 < blindcoder> well, that was unexpected, wasn't it? *g*
11:36 < daja77> and no i am not goin to work today
11:36 < daja77> :)
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11:38 < MadTux> re
11:38 < blindcoder> wb
11:38 < daja77> wb MadTux 
11:38 < blindcoder> MadTux: where's what you promised me?
11:38 < MadTux> thanks gentlemen
11:38 < blindcoder> daja77: I wouldn't, either :)
11:38 < MadTux> blindcoder: ah yes one moment please :)
11:39 < blindcoder> (not that I could watch it within the next 5 hours :)
11:39 < MadTux> sure but you are anxious enough to have it
11:39 < blindcoder> of course I am :D
11:39 < blindcoder> hmm... LVP live system now down to 240 MB... still too much >_<
11:40 < blindcoder> I need to get dietlibc working... have to bug esden about it
11:41 < MadTux> how about uclib?
11:42 < blindcoder> hmm... how good is uclibc?
11:42 < blindcoder> IE: Does XFree compile :)
11:43 < MadTux> heard quite better references of it than from dietlibc
11:43 < blindcoder> hmm... I'll look at it
11:44 < MadTux> even esden wanted to make a uclib target sometime ago
11:45 < blindcoder> I see...
11:45 < blindcoder> I'll just try to compile LVP with it :)
11:45 < blindcoder> since I just started a new compile anyway
11:46 < MadTux> bc okis
11:46 < MadTux> daja77: how are you ?
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11:57 < blindcoder> uclibc-enabled LVP Build running
11:57 < netrunner> blindcoder: can you modify the kernel config later?
11:57 < netrunner> blindcoder: I mean from another pkg?
11:58 < blindcoder> netrunner: the quiet patch? or what?
11:58 < blindcoder> netrunner: ehm... slowly, reboot, what do you want to do?
11:58 < blindcoder> oh, the config... hmm... I don't know, probably not
11:59 < blindcoder> moment, I'll show you what I did to change kernel config
12:00 < blindcoder> netrunner: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/config.in
12:00 < blindcoder> that's what I did... it may or may not work for you
12:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: in the dir of a package?
12:02 < blindcoder> yes
12:02 < daja77> MadTux: fine thx
12:02 < blindcoder> it creates a menu-button which, when pressed, will create the necessary additions to the kernel config
12:03 < blindcoder> WEE
12:03 < blindcoder> MadTux: uclibc built fine, without any hassle :)
12:04 < blindcoder> currently binutils is building
12:05 < daja77> cu all later
12:05 < MadTux> blindcoder: didn't i said you should try it? :)
12:05 < MadTux> daja77: oyasumi nasai
12:06 < blindcoder> MadTux: and I did what you said :)
12:06 < blindcoder> daja77: baba
12:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: maybe an empty submenu called "apply changes to kernel" is cleaner ...
12:06 < blindcoder> and best of all: it took only 3 Minutes to build :)
12:06 < MadTux> thats a good boy :)
12:06 < blindcoder> netrunner: something like that. Or just check if they're there and needed, and if not, add then
12:06 < MadTux> blindcoder: i take that as you are happy with the results :)
12:07 < blindcoder> MadTux: so far, yes
12:07 < blindcoder> If it turns out to work the way I want and shrink system size then I'll use it in LVP
12:08 < blindcoder> but I won't suggest it to include in ROCK until 2.0.0-final is here
12:08 < MadTux> blindcoder: woud rock to have a uclib target you know :)
12:08 < blindcoder> MadTux: yes, actually, if this works, I might install my Travelmate 800 with it :)
12:08 < MadTux> blindcoder: oh yes please feture freeze
12:08 < MadTux> feature*
12:08 < blindcoder> I'm going to get it by next week or the week after that, in time for christmas :)
12:08 < blindcoder> MadTux: yes, that's something that should have been enforced releases ago
12:09 < MadTux> hehe
12:09 < MadTux> blindcoder: well its been more than 2 years since last stable release..
12:10 < blindcoder> MadTux: yes >_<
12:10 < blindcoder> MadTux: I currently think we might have a final by February
12:11 < MadTux> blindcoder: i don't dare to guess on a stable release date anymore
12:12 < blindcoder> MadTux: heh, then you haven't reach my state of insanity yet :D
12:13 < MadTux> ah you would be suprised on how insane i am 
12:13 < MadTux> :)
12:14  * netrunner -> home
12:14 < MadTux> cu netti
12:14  * owl offers a wan-tan-soup to #rocklinux 
12:15 < blindcoder> hmm... gcc3 fails with missing include files
12:15 < blindcoder> stdio.h fcntl.h and others
12:15 < MadTux> owl: thanks :)
12:16 < owl> MadTux: you like it?
12:16 < MadTux> blindcoder: mmm? 
12:16 < MadTux> owl: certainly yes.
12:16 < owl> .oO(i should send this soup to .cr)
12:17 < blindcoder> MadTux: ah, strange... found the error, will fix it now
12:17 < MadTux> no, deliver it personally :)
12:17 < MadTux> blindcoder: foo error?
12:17 < owl> MadTux: no money to fly
12:18 < MadTux> walk?
12:18 < MadTux> :P
12:18 < blindcoder> MadTux: uclibc has a strange way of installing
12:19 < MadTux> blindcoder: ie?
12:19 < MadTux> OK fellows 5:20am will go get a shower and breakfast now, be back in 2 hours
12:19 < blindcoder> MadTux: it has a kernel like configuration method where you must specify the installdirectory, defaulting to /usr/$arch-linux-uclibc
12:19 < MadTux> blindcoder: ur files should be ready 4 you when i get back.. still uploading
12:19 < blindcoder> MadTux: see you later
12:22 < owl> MadTux: *kick*
12:42  * blindcoder --> lunch
12:42 < th> heya MadTux 
12:43 < owl> hi th 
12:43 < th> hi owl
12:45 < owl> how are you?=
12:45 < th> fine. thanks
13:17 < mnemoc> re
13:17 < mnemoc> hi *
13:44  * blindcoder back
13:44 < blindcoder> hi mnemoc 
13:45 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder 
13:46 < netrunner> blindcoder: your pkg_linux24 thing is only semi-working. the var is not lx_patches but patchfiles as far as i can see.
13:47 < blindcoder> netrunner: no, for linux24 there is a special case
13:47 < blindcoder> netrunner: the lx_patches will also be copied into the system in the directory /usr/src/linux_patchs (or so) in the package linux24_src
13:48 < netrunner> blindcoder: but lx_patches did not get applied here (and was empty)
13:48 < netrunner> patchfiles now works.
13:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm.. seems it was changed...
13:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: looks like rxr has changed this somewhen in between without me notixing... I haven't really used that script in a long time
13:50 < mnemoc> that┤ the bad part of 'backstage-work' nobody notice it
13:52 < blindcoder> indeed, and I don't usually read every patch between revisions
13:52 < mnemoc> nobody does
13:53 < netrunner> well, at least one should check if the stuff in one's own repository still works or needs to be adapted.
13:53  * netrunner counting himself also to the lazy guys ;)
13:54 < blindcoder> netrunner: I didn't commit that stuff into ROCK and I haven't work on it in months
13:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: never mind, it gave me the ideas I needed.
13:54 < mnemoc> netrunner: sure, but checking every diff on some far away package or arch or misc can impact it without noticing
13:54 < mnemoc> svn diff -u * | less
13:54 < blindcoder> netrunner: glad to be of service :)
13:55 < blindcoder> uclibc build has reached stage 1 without failing
13:55 < mnemoc> are you already patching gcc when needed?
13:56 < blindcoder> mnemoc: it wasn't needed
13:56 < blindcoder> mnemoc: gcc3 compiled just fined
13:56 < mnemoc> yes, but you want to build binaries that use uclibc or not?
13:57 < blindcoder> and according to the website, anything short of an old mozilla version should work
13:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: since I build without glibc, that should already be the case
13:57 < mnemoc> :o
13:59 < mnemoc> i wanted to 'emulate' the 3 toolkits on rock when uclibc is selected as default libc
14:00  * mnemoc removing uclibc of his TODO :(
14:05 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I'm not yet sure if it works, but in theory it should :)
14:06 < mnemoc> i hope too, /me hates dietlibc
14:06 < blindcoder> hmm... I don't care either way. for me it's important that it "just works" :)
14:07 < blindcoder> Also, I do hope for a smaller memory usage
14:08 < blindcoder> since I want to use it for my LVP live system
14:08 < mnemoc> uLVP :)
14:08 < blindcoder> hehe
14:09 < blindcoder> and also, a reinstallation of my machine is long past due
14:09 < blindcoder> maybe I'll try using uclibc as libc on a generic target then :)
14:10 < mnemoc> try a really minimal first :)
14:11 < mnemoc> then you add the pkg as 'O' and we start helping you ;)
14:11 < blindcoder> an LVP build has 81 packages
14:15 < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
14:15 < blindcoder> eeeeevil error in zlib Makefile
14:16 < blindcoder> CC=i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3
14:16 < blindcoder> and a few lines later:
14:16 < blindcoder> LDSHARED=gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libz.so.1
14:16 < mnemoc> ,?
14:20 < blindcoder> configure assumed that if the host is linux then the compiler is _always_ called gcc and is to be found in the path
14:20 < blindcoder> s/compiler/linker/
14:20 < blindcoder> now I patched that so that $(CC) is used
14:21 < blindcoder> and at once zlib compiles with uclibc :)
14:21 < mnemoc> maybe it's fixed on last zlib
14:21 < mnemoc> btw, i had never seen that -Wl,... comma thing :)
14:22 < blindcoder> hmm... yes, we have an outdated version
14:22 < blindcoder> will check on current one
14:23 < mnemoc> -[V] 1.1.4
14:23 < mnemoc> +[V] 1.2.1
14:23 < mnemoc> it's working here :)
14:23 < mnemoc> but rene seems to be currently refusing updates
14:23 < blindcoder> yes is fixed
14:24 < netrunner> mnemoc: I guess he's busy 
14:24 < mnemoc> sure
14:25 < mnemoc> i mean he has skiped them on the ml
14:30 < mnemoc> then ill wait for his permission before the patch-flood
14:35 < netrunner> creepy bootsplash utility has no configure and no makefile :(
14:37 < blindcoder> hoeh?
14:37 < blindcoder> "compile by hand" or what?
14:38 < mnemoc> ./build.sh like?
14:39 < blindcoder> hmm... I see no patch for updating zlib on the ML
14:39 < mnemoc> not send
14:39 < blindcoder> oh, I see
14:39 < blindcoder> I thought you had sent it already
14:40 < mnemoc> nope, it┤ enqueued here
14:40 < blindcoder> I see
14:40 < mnemoc> no special patch is needed
14:40 < blindcoder> yes, so I'll wait for your patch
14:41 < mnemoc> do you one THAT patch or you want i flood the list right now or you will wait ?
14:41 < mnemoc> s/one/want/
14:41 < mnemoc> weird typo :(
14:42 < mnemoc> i think i'll flood anyway
14:44 < mnemoc> bdb4.2->bdb42 or bdb4.2->/dev/null?
14:44 < mnemoc> i don't know if i want a fourth bdb pkg :(
14:44 < mnemoc> compatibility sucks
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15:23 < blindcoder> GNARF
15:24 < blindcoder> sed wants nls despite being configured with --disable-nls
15:28 < th> ouhm
15:28 < th> unsigned int type : 4;
15:28 < th> what does that mean?
15:28 < th> c-code
15:28 < th> member of a struct
15:28 < th> i don't get the :4
15:29 < th> is that the byte-size?
15:30 < zum> how many bits are reserved to type
15:30 < mnemoc> bits?
15:30 < zum> you can specify bit fields in c structs
15:31  * mnemoc din┤ know :(
15:31 < th> so some sort of packing?
15:31 < zum> well, it's not a feature you use every day...
15:32 < cytrinox`> tach
15:32 < mnemoc> last week i did a 8x8 bitmap using 8 unsigned chars, and discusting shift stuff
15:32 < th> so after a int foo:4; the next member (that is :1) uses the fifth bit?
15:32 < th> ...of that int?
15:32 < mnemoc> if foo:1 is really reflkected on sizeof my life could had been much easier
15:33 < zum> th: yes
15:34 < mnemoc> cool
15:37 < th> zum: do i need to set pragma pack?
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16:02 < fake> hi
16:03 < mnemoc> hi fake
16:10 < zum> th: let's see, I think bitfields are defined in the standard
16:11 < zum> and there wouldn't be much point to them if it required pragma pack.
16:11 < th> yes
16:12  * netrunner trying bootsplash
16:14 < zum> anyway, they are machine-dependent (because of endianness issues or such) but you can generally expect that continuous bitfields are just packed together
16:15 < zum> documentation for a particular compiler is likely to tell more
16:16 < th> zum: thanks for the imapct
16:18 < cchamilt> hmm my builds die at 1-wireless-tools because of the missing rocknet dirs.
16:19 < cchamilt> the dies need added to the dir-tree
16:19 < cchamilt> dirs that is
16:19 < zum> the standard is as poignant as always: An implementation may allocate any addressable storage unit large enough to hold a bit-
16:20 < zum> field. If enough space remains, a bit-field that immediately follows another bit-field in a
16:20 < zum> structure shall be packed into adjacent bits of the same unit. If insufficient space remains,
16:20 < zum> whether a bit-field that does not fit is put into the next unit or overlaps adjacent units is
16:20 < zum> implementation-defined.
16:20 < zum> (Sorry for the spam)
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16:56 < daja77> re
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17:31 < rxr> re
17:31 < daja77> wb rxr
17:31 < daja77> [iMac]
17:31 < daja77> "... it's a Computer especially built for Idio... er for Mommies and Dadys."
17:32 < daja77> ^^
17:35 < daja77> omg can someone send eric a sane mailer as christmas present
17:39 < daja77> .oO yahoo is a sick mailer
17:40 < daja77> i can still access the mailbox of the girl who was here, even when she logged out
17:40 < daja77> unbelievable
17:44 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
17:45 < blindcoder> WAAAH! WTF is wrong wit sed?
17:46 < blindcoder> It wants some NLS-specific things even though nls is turned _OFF_!
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18:14 < mnemoc> re
18:15 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
18:16 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:19 < mnemoc> rxr: have you read something about svn and bdb42? better than 4.1?
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18:38 < rxr> mnemoc: I have not read about it yet ...
18:42 < rxr> Branko ─\214ibej <brane@xbc.nu> writes: 
18:42 < rxr> > >Well, Subversion builds with BDB 4.2 out of the box, and all ra_local 
18:42 < rxr> > >tests pass. Looks like it's faster, too. 
18:42 < rxr>  
18:42 < rxr> ra_dav just passed for me... seemed faster too, frankly. 
18:42 < rxr>  
18:42 < rxr> Yee-haw! 
18:43 < mnemoc> that's good :)
18:44 < mnemoc> adding a fourth bdb is not funny, but add one and drop another is not that bad :)
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18:47 < moord> anyone here?
18:48 < mnemoc> i think so
18:49 < rxr> yes, hi moord 
18:50 < moord> ok
18:50 < moord> well
18:51 < moord> im a pure fbsd user for a while now, but im missing a linux to guys, a friend talked me about rock linux, i hate gentoo now for a while heh, now, how long it takes for installung rock and its stable one?
18:52 < netrunner> moord: installing speed depends on your machine, maybe about 1 hour
18:52 < moord> oh
18:52 < moord> cool
18:52 < moord> im using a pentium4
18:52 < moord> so
18:52 < moord> i guess i gonna installing rock
18:52 < moord> i want something whit extra challenging, how is rock linux and his pkg manager?
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18:55 < mnemoc> moord: you should start reading the handbook (www.rocklinux.org) to understand what rock is :)
18:56 < moord> im busy whit it
18:56 < moord> just shite about the big download
18:56 < netrunner> moord: I hope you do not mix up installing and building ...
18:58 < moord> netrunner: ?
18:59 < moord> hmmm, i though i can using something like a livecd but im wrong
18:59 < moord> damn
19:00 < netrunner> moord: you can do a full build of all sources and get your favourite distribution out (eg on iso's). or you can download precompiled isos. either are usable then for installing a ROCK on your hw
19:01  * netrunner rechnent mal die zinsen extrapoliert auf secs lebenserwartung
19:01 < moord> netrunner: well i need something i need so i can doin a network install
19:01 < netrunner> argl
19:01 < moord> i have download limits
19:01 < blindcoder> netrunner: sec?
19:01 < netrunner> moord: download desktop isos.
19:02 < moord> where? i only see +650mb iso's on site
19:02 < netrunner> moord: if you reach your limit, cancel and continue the download in your next billing period :)
19:02 < netrunner> moord: I could build a minimal for you ... what arch/cpu?
19:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: wrong channel
19:03 < moord> lol, it dont works like that, when i reaching my max download they put me on 56k inet
19:03 < moord> netrunner: x86 pentium4 1.6
19:03 < zum> that's also something I was missing when I decided to install rock linux... a minimal system
19:04 < netrunner> moord: I have never tried the minimal ... but I'll build one for you
19:04 < netrunner> moord: need X?
19:04 < moord> netrunner: how long it takes?
19:04 < moord> netrunner: well, yes
19:04 < netrunner> moord: sorry, I just remember I cannot build for p4 on my build server ...
19:04 < moord> oh
19:04 < moord> ic
19:05  * netrunner booting his laptop
19:05 < netrunner> I guess minimal is not too much, my lap can do it over the night.
19:05 < moord> ok
19:05 < moord> good
19:06 < moord> heh, i though rock linux was also like gentoo a very minimal iso
19:07 < netrunner> moord: rocklinux is more. it's a distribution build kit. you can build the dist you want with it.
19:07 < mnemoc> zum: there is a minimal template
19:07 < moord> seems like a very a-commercial one
19:07 < moord> and i like that
19:08 < mnemoc> moord: if you tune your config before you only download required tarballs and all of them as .bz2
19:09 < mnemoc> saving bw :)
19:10 < moord> well mnemoc thats what i want, a iso that i can choosing whit .tarballs to download
19:10 < moord> but i only see on the site +650mb big iso's
19:10 < moord> to much *for me*
19:11 < mnemoc> the isos are a consecuence of what rock does
19:11 < netrunner> moord: you do not need rock to build rock. you can just use subversion to check out the build scripts, then configure and then download what you want and build it
19:11 < moord> hmmm
19:12 < netrunner> moord: there are only some requirements you should meet, like actual bash etc. they are described in the handbook afair
19:12 < mnemoc> the handbook is good, try it. rock is not what you think it is
19:12 < moord> netrunner: in other words, i dont need the big iso's for building rock?
19:12 < mnemoc> devfs is the most important
19:12 < netrunner> moord: no.
19:13 < moord> thats what i want to hear
19:14 < moord> netrunner: yourea developer?
19:14 < moord> or all guys are developer? heh
19:14 < netrunner> moord: that's basically the rocklinux developer channel, you'll meet most of us here ;)
19:15 < moord> ah cool
19:15 < mnemoc> you take any linux you have around, make it support devfs, update it, checkout rocklinux from svn, config your build, download required tarballs, build, burn, install
19:15 < moord> hmmm, i have slackware here
19:16 < mnemoc> next step: devfs+devfsd
19:16 < moord> i have to installing it first though :)
19:17 < mnemoc> yes, that can be necesary :)
19:17 < moord> +exec -o uname -a
19:17 < moord> FreeBSD Morphix.pandora.be 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Tue Nov 25 14:42:49 CET 2003     bsd@Morphix.pandora.be:/usr/src/sys/compile/FUCKMEBITCH  i386
19:17 < moord> as ya can see
19:17 < moord> ok let me looking at the iso first
19:17 < moord> mnemoc: i have to print out the doc for building rock or its like a good installer
19:18 < mnemoc> while you install slackware start reading the handbook :)
19:19 < mnemoc> btw, in rock 2.1 you will can choose to build a bsd or a linux :)
19:19 < moord> btw
19:19 < moord> i cant reading the handbook
19:19 < moord> because
19:19 < moord> i only have 1 computer
19:19 < mnemoc> uhm
19:19 < mnemoc> bad thing
19:20 < mnemoc> print it first
19:20 < moord> lol, first linux i found herer is gentoo :P
19:20 < moord> but i dont gonna doin a long install for removing it again
19:20 < moord> heh
19:21 < moord> ok
19:21 < moord> i found slackware
19:21 < moord> mnemoc: so 
19:21 < moord> after im back in Slack
19:22 < moord> ya gonna explain me how to do it on you're way?
19:22 < mnemoc> no problem
19:22 < moord> cool
19:22 < mnemoc> nobody has a minimal iso he can download to avoid devfsization?
19:24 < moord> is that a part from me mnemoc ?
19:24 < mnemoc> they are hidden :)
19:24 < moord> lol
19:24 < moord> seems so
19:24 < moord> but while ya asking for the right iso
19:24 < moord> i can installing slack very_fast now
19:24 < moord> right?
19:25 < mnemoc> i have a VERY experimental 200M iso i can upload to you
19:25 < moord> hehe, very experimental?
19:25 < mnemoc> BUT i'm at chile so it would be sloooow
19:26 < elon> don't know if trinux supports devfsd in the latest release.. perhaps its worth a look at their homepage
19:26 < mnemoc> very experimental -> it boots and has the bin packages, but don't expect a next, next, next
19:27 < moord> hehe, a do it you're self iso?
19:27 < mnemoc> rock IS a do it your self kit :)
19:27 < moord> well yes, but i saw some screenshots
19:27 < moord> looks nicer then the gentoo install
19:28 < mnemoc> and far smarter :)
19:28 < moord> can be, its all python
19:28 < moord> even Portage is python
19:28 < moord> lol
19:29 < mnemoc> a good exercise is to compar G*'s ebuilds with rock's .conf files ;)
19:29 < moord> ah
19:29 < moord> mnemoc: so its areally a dustro with extra challenging then
19:30 < moord> *distro
19:30 < mnemoc> rock is not a distro :)
19:30 < moord> eh?
19:30 < mnemoc> rock is a toolkit
19:31 < mnemoc> and a 'framework'
19:31 < mnemoc> to help you to build the distro you want
19:31 < moord> oh
19:31 < moord> ic
19:31 < moord> similar like LFS then
19:32 < mnemoc> kind of
19:32 < mnemoc> here you only need to select an arch, a target and if you want tune the pakcage list
19:32 < moord> cool cool
19:33 < mnemoc> a toolkit ;)
19:33 < moord> yeah
19:34 < moord> ok, i gonna donload slack first
19:34 < moord> would be more interesting
19:34 < mnemoc> o_O
19:34 < moord> well
19:35 < moord> for building rock then ;)
19:35 < moord> i just need a -650mb iso cuz i dont have +650mb cd-roms here also
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19:50 < blindcoder> hmm... 1-bash using the hosts native compiler...
19:51 < mnemoc> mmm
19:53 < blindcoder> this is bad...
19:55 < mnemoc> are you reeeeasly sure about that'
19:55 < mnemoc> _
19:55 < mnemoc> aaarg
19:55 < mnemoc> ?
19:56  * mnemoc needs a new keyboard
19:56 < blindcoder> gnarf...
19:56 < blindcoder> you disable nls, but still need gettext and a nls-compatible libc to build sed and bash!
19:56 < blindcoder> this sucks >_<
19:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I am. It also uses the hosts libraries
19:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I found out while building a uClibc LVP\
19:57 < blindcoder>  
19:58 < blindcoder> brb
20:03 < blindcoder> back
20:03 < mnemoc> take a look to cmd_wrapper.txt
20:03 < mnemoc> if it's created, gcc wrapper was called
20:05 < blindcoder> GNARF
20:05 < blindcoder> from bash Makefile:
20:05 < blindcoder> CC = i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3
20:05 < blindcoder> CC_FOR_BUILD = gcc
20:05 < blindcoder> debug-bash:[bash-2.05b]# which gcc
20:05 < blindcoder> /usr/bin/gcc
20:05 < blindcoder> ARGH
20:06 < blindcoder> I think it might be easier to symlink gcc to i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3 in the wrapper dir
20:08 < blindcoder> than to patch a dozen packages to actually use it >_<
20:10 < blindcoder> FUCK
20:11 < blindcoder> now I accidentally did a Cleanup -full from history >_<
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20:12 < mnemoc> lol
20:14 < blindcoder> ah well, I have a custom kernel config, so linux24 will only take slightly over 20 mins
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20:15 < blindcoder> uclibc in current config takes 11 minutes
20:16 < blindcoder> anyway, I'll be gone before that
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20:38 -!- WrKRobe [robe@das.geizhals.buero.ist.geiler.at] has joined #rocklinux
20:38 < WrKRobe> helo.
20:40 < tcr> moin
20:42 < WrKRobe> gibts irgendwo eine mirror-howto fuer rocklinux?
20:44 < tcr> What do you mean?
20:45 < WrKRobe> something like http://www.de.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror or http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/source_mirrors.xml just for rocklinux
20:47  * zum crawls back
20:47 < zum> ... hey, did someone have a minimal ISO ready?
20:47 < zum> I'd be glad to have one
20:48 < tcr> WrKRobe, Do you want to use a mirror or do you wanna create one?
20:48 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.net/mirrors.txt
20:48 < WrKRobe> tcr: latter
20:50 < mnemoc> we need to create a live-build-your-rock-cd ... 
20:50 < tcr> WrKRobe, hmm.. don't about that. You should query rxr, or drop an email to the ml
20:52 < cytrinox`> re
20:54 < tcr> zum: ask on the ml. There's chance bigger that you find one who recently built a minimal target
21:34 < MadTux> moin
21:34 < MadTux> ping blindcoder
22:00 < daja77> re
22:04 < daja77> MadTux: you here?
22:11 < netrunner> hm. mal zur sneak fahren...
22:11 < netrunner> argl, wrong window again
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22:49 < MadTux> daja77: yes.
22:49 < daja77> good
22:50 < WrKRobe> heya
22:50 < daja77> hi WrKRobe 
22:50 < MadTux> hiya WrKRobe
22:50 < WrKRobe> you don't happen to know if there are some mirror-howtos for rocklinux available somewhere?
22:51 < MadTux> WrKRobe: mirror howto? you wanna have a mirror for rocklinux?
22:52 < MadTux> WrKRobe: just mail clifford@clifford.at and let him know about your interest he will reply to you with the proper instructions.
22:52 < WrKRobe> will do
22:52 < WrKRobe> do you have an estimate on how much data that will be?
22:54 < MadTux> WrKRobe: 2 - 3gb if its just packages
22:54 < MadTux> dunno if you want to mirror isos too
22:54 < WrKRobe> oh
22:54 < WrKRobe> I've got 80 gb to spare at the moment
22:54 < WrKRobe> that should suffice :P
22:55 < MadTux> i think its just 2gb
22:55 < WrKRobe> how many isos are there?
22:55 < MadTux> WrKRobe: very nice. what kind of connection do you have?
22:55 < MadTux> well regarding isos well there is an iso archive at iso.rocklinux.de
22:55 < WrKRobe> I maintain the mirror server of an austrian ISP
22:56 < MadTux> and the official iso are located at  http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock
22:56 < MadTux> WrKRobe: very nice :)
22:57 < WrKRobe> http://mirror.inode.at
22:58 < MadTux> <click>
22:58 < MadTux> 0_o 19c3 videos..  AWESOME!
22:59 < WrKRobe> yeah, though the sound is pretty bad
22:59 < MadTux> WrKRobe: for the mirror list i see i can tell you still have plenty of space left for stuff :)
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23:01 < WrKRobe> well, md1 can be easily doubled as soon as I get another 160 gig drive (converting from raid1 to raid5)
23:01 < MadTux> hehehehe Great :)
23:02 < MadTux> WrKRobe: do you currently use ROCK?
23:02 < WrKRobe> no
23:02 < WrKRobe> I just thought it might be a good idea to mirror it
23:02 < WrKRobe> since it's from austria and still isn't all too popular
23:02 < MadTux> WrKRobe: in the name of all the rock team we really appreciate this contribution of yours
23:05 < WrKRobe> no problem at all
23:05 < MadTux> WrKRobe: remeber clifford@clifford.at
23:06 < MadTux> remember*
23:06 < WrKRobe> already typing a mail
23:06 < MadTux> WrKRobe: excellent. 
23:07 < MadTux> WrKRobe: please if is there anything that i can assist you with please feel free to ask :)
23:11 < WrKRobe> ok, thanks... I guess I'll just wait for his answer in the meanwhile =)
23:15 < MadTux> WrKRobe: yes. once again thanks a lot for what you are doing :)
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