--- Log opened Die Dez 02 00:00:07 2003
00:12 < rxr> cu
00:12 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
00:17 < daja77> re
00:17 < MadTux> wb daja77
00:17 < MadTux> cu rxr
00:17 < daja77> hey MadTux 
00:24 < puzzled> rxr: you still here?
00:44 < daja77> n8 you all
00:55 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
01:52 < MadTux> mnemoc: 
01:53 < mnemoc> MadTux: 
01:57 < MadTux> que haceS?
01:57 < mnemoc> reinstalando el computador de la casa
01:57 < MadTux> ya la hechaste a perder?
01:57 < MadTux> :P
01:57 < mnemoc> :)
01:57 < MadTux> como estas?
01:58 < mnemoc> la salud esta bien, asi que bien :)
01:58 < mnemoc> y tu?
01:58 < MadTux> bueno bien, algo cansado, no he dormido en 2 dias.. para variar..
01:58 < mnemoc> aun lo necesitas? =)
01:59 < MadTux> que dormir?
01:59 < mnemoc> yep
01:59 < mnemoc> el cafe no lo suple?
01:59 < MadTux> supongo que si, es un mal habito que adquiri de los mortales ..
02:00 < MadTux> mnemoc: ya sabes como son, tratan de influenciar a seres como vos y yo...
02:00 < MadTux> ;-)
02:00 < mnemoc> yo aca estoy demasiado influido por el mundo real :| paso en la casa todo el dia y entre mi hija y mi senora me obligan a dormir al menos 5 horas diarias :(
02:01 < mnemoc> influenciado*
02:01 < MadTux> 5 horas diarias?!?! wow como haces?
02:02 < mnemoc> despues una hora acostado mirando el techo terminas durmiendo 
02:02 < MadTux> mm... necesitas una laptop..
02:02 < mnemoc> i.e. 4 horas diarias y una mirando el techo :)
02:03 < mnemoc> tengo, pero me golpean cuando lo uso en la cama ya que las teclas suenan mucho :(
02:03 < MadTux> hehe.. yo casi nunca duermo
02:03 < mnemoc> lo he notado :)
02:03 < MadTux> bueno el codigo es adictivo..
02:03 < MadTux> igual en este momento ire a ver si me como algo.
02:04 < MadTux> regreso en un ratito ok?
02:04 < mnemoc> ese es otro mal avito
02:04 < mnemoc> suerte
02:04 < MadTux> hehe
02:04 < mnemoc> habito*
02:04 < mnemoc> mi ortografia esta pesima
02:04 < MadTux> hablare con owl para que te unas clasesitas.
02:04 < MadTux> te de*
02:04 < mnemoc> :)
02:04  * MadTux eating
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02:21 < SMP> fascinating, I can understand Spanish chatter ;)
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02:31 < mnemoc> wow
02:32 < mnemoc> SMP: spanish is very simple :)
02:34 < mnemoc> this zelazny.freenode.net server is 'very' stable :|
02:34 < SMP> I know many of the words from Latin
02:35 < SMP> mnemoc: Freenode just finished some major rebubbing - it's not just your server
02:36 < mnemoc> did you studied latin because you wanted or because you have to?
02:45 < SMP> I had to, in school. didn't like it, but now I regret that I didn't learn it more dilligently ;)
02:45 < SMP> same for Greek
02:46 < SMP> I chose Greek over French ...
02:48 < mnemoc> mmm... if we are lucky why can take german or french, the only mandatory language is english
02:49 < mnemoc> i wife studied latin and greek but she studied 'litaretura hispanica' :)
02:49 < mnemoc> s/i /my /1
02:52 < mnemoc> i would love to learn latin... some day i'll ask her to teach me :)
02:59 < SMP> well, I was on a special school. normal is only English and mostly French
03:02 < SMP> you're married? that's early ;) (at least by German standards) since when?
03:02 < mnemoc> since 22 :)
03:03 < SMP> is that early or rather normal in Chile?
03:03 < mnemoc> it's early here too
03:03 < mnemoc> ppl use to get married when 27-29
03:04 < mnemoc> the less standard part of me is that i'm waiting my second daugher :)
03:04 < mnemoc> daughter
03:05 < SMP> that's cool ;) how old is your first one?
03:05 < mnemoc> a 2 years little demon :)
03:06 < MadTux> SMPy hi!
03:06  * MadTux back
03:06 < mnemoc> wb RostedTux
03:06 < MadTux> ping ChristianQt
03:07 < SMP> I wonder if engagement with ROCK Linux bears a high risk of ones girlfriend/wife getting pregnant ;)
03:07 < MadTux> SMP: i really hope not.
03:08 < SMP> hi MadTux! still planning coming to Germany?
03:08 < MadTux> SMP: yups, if all goes well i will be there at 20c3 and new years eve
03:08 < SMP> cool
03:08 < mnemoc> :o
03:08 < MadTux> SMP: hope you'll be there too
03:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: what's that face?
03:09 < mnemoc> i didn't expected that
03:10 < MadTux> mnemoc: i've been talking about this trip for months... >_<
03:11 < SMP> I'll most likely be at 20c3 and most definetely in Berlin for New Years Eve
03:11 < MadTux> SMP: hopefully we'll get to met. I'm trying to plan a new years party with some of the rockers hope you can join
03:11 < SMP> in the Club Maria, to be precise
03:12 < MadTux> Club Maria... wtf is it?
03:12 < SMP> www.clubmaria.de (Flash req.)
03:13 < SMP> fine electronic music between Trance and Drum'n'Base
03:14 < MadTux> SMP: _NICE_
03:14 < MadTux> ok so /me watching anime
03:14 < MadTux> be back later
03:14 < SMP> cu
03:14 < mnemoc> cu MadTux 
03:15 < MadTux> ;)
03:16 < mnemoc> SMP: did you decided how do you want to handle license restrictions?
03:16 < mnemoc> after the split of the download_file code, the direct download of flaged packages wont be hard
03:20 < SMP> I didn't decide anything. Rene seems to think it's not something that requires immediate attention
03:20 < mnemoc> :(
03:21 < SMP> maybe he'll change his mind after the first subpoena forces him to stop distributing his CDs ;-\
03:23 < mnemoc> hope not
03:26 < mnemoc> that's a very important issue we need to solve before 2.0 to avoid 'hard moments'
03:28 < mnemoc> iirc you had 4 kind of restrictions
03:30 < SMP> binaries / sources not distributable online / on physical media
03:32 < mnemoc> binary restrictions are solved tagging them as 'O' isn't it?
03:36 < SMP> well that won't stop anyone from doing it 'accidentially'
03:36 < SMP> so I'd like to see this noted explicitly
03:37 < SMP> of course people can still do what they should not, but at least they had a fair chance of knowing what they do
03:38 < mnemoc> but how do you difference between a final user making his own rock and a developer making a public distro as LVP or dRock?
03:38 < SMP> on the other hand making such statements opens one up for liability ...
03:40 < mnemoc> if we *warn* and don't do i by default are we free of 'liability'?
03:40 < mnemoc> s/ i / it /
03:42 < SMP> no, the question is if marking some packages as non-redistributable can be understood as a definite affirmation that the others are legally distributable
03:45 < mnemoc> i don't get the problem :|
03:46 < mnemoc> we must mark every non-redistributable package
03:46 < SMP> yes, that's one thing. what if we miss one?
03:46 < MadTux> .
03:47 < mnemoc> we cant :\
03:47 < SMP> why?
03:47 < mnemoc> wb HentaiTux
03:48 < mnemoc> we can't miss anyone :( we have to be sure of the license of the 1000 packages we have :(
03:48 < SMP> well, we have copyright headers with disclaimers
03:50 < SMP> then the question might be if it is permitted to disclaim all liability
03:54 < mnemoc> i think that if we have good defaults and warn ppl when they are building something no distributable we can disclaim 
03:55 < mnemoc> maybe after running Config
03:55 < mnemoc> btw, i just read copyright of packages, and there is no disclaimers
03:58 < SMP> it's in the there referenced Documentation/COPYING, paragraph 11
04:06 < mnemoc> yes, that's the default disclaim of GPL, but i think it applies very well to what rock is and how it works
04:08 < SMP> the thing is, nobody really knows what 'the extend permitted by applicable law' is in general and in each single case.
04:10 < mnemoc> that can be anything, but we can add something more ad-hoc to the copyright header, or not?
04:10 < SMP> you can't disclaim more than you are allowed to
04:11 < mnemoc> how commercial distros as suse handle that?
04:12 < mnemoc> disclaimers in general
04:12 < mnemoc> do they use extra disclaimers?
04:12 < SMP> they hope noone who has more lawyers than they have is going to drag them to court over this
04:15 < mnemoc> we can give a first step adding NOBINDIST and NOSRCDIST flags to pacakges, if X and NOBINDIST warn to not distribute the target and if NOSRCDIST download direct and not keep on mirror
04:16 < mnemoc> we have to hope too no tricky lawyers will want to sue us
04:17 < mnemoc> just worry about keeping devs not angry
04:17 < SMP> well, ROCK developers are not a worthy victim anyway ;)
04:18 < mnemoc> rl-consulting can get bigger :)
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04:44 < mnemoc> gn8 *
04:44 < SMP> n8 mnemoc
04:44 < MadTux> cu mnemoc
04:45 < mnemoc> i'll try to send a proposed patch to support those two flags i mensioned before
04:46 < mnemoc> tomorrow :)
04:46 < mnemoc> gn8
04:46 < SMP> ok, great
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05:01 < MadTux> blindy.
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06:07 < owl> moin
06:15 < MadTux> buenas dias Sandra
06:15 < owl> hola Miguel. que tal?
06:15 < MadTux> muy bien gracias y su merce?
06:16 < owl> no muy bien. gracias. 
06:16 < owl> what does "su merce" means, please?
06:16 < owl> <- hasn't dictionary at work *cough*
06:16 < MadTux> owl: a very old and polite way to say yourself, i doub disctionary will help ya :)
06:17 < owl> ah. k. thx ;)
06:17 < owl> .oO(su merce = tu ?)
06:17 < MadTux> a ver y pq no estas muy bien? que te suceda?
06:17 < MadTux> owl: yes more or less like 'tu'
06:17 < owl> suceda?
06:18 < MadTux> sucede*
06:18 < MadTux> *grin*
06:18 < owl> because of my leg is still injured and so
06:18 < MadTux> oh poor owly.
06:18 < owl> hihi. now i feel better ;) my bf just awake ;)))))))
06:18 < owl> thx. 
06:18 < MadTux> What do drs say?
06:18 < MadTux> greetings to true
06:19 < owl> nothing yet... the one i went last wednesday said "nothing. if it's not better till friday, visit me again". 
06:19 < owl> and today i have a "meeting" with another doc.
06:19 < owl> thx. greetings back from true ;p
06:23 < owl> MadTux: what are you doing?
06:23 < MadTux> coding
06:23 < MadTux> you ?
06:23 < owl> writing vocabulary *g*
06:24 < MadTux> owl: quieres que te hable en espanol?
06:24 < owl> quieres?
06:24 < owl> "wie geht es mit spanisch voran"?
06:25 < MadTux> quieres = would you like
06:25 < MadTux> and ur spanish is good eule
06:26 < owl> nah. my guessing is good. but thx :p
06:26 < MadTux> :P
06:26 < owl> my spanish is still in progress... started with leccion 3 from 18
06:26 < owl> :p
06:27 < MadTux> :)
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06:53 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,276030,00.html << ROFL
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06:59 < nookie> grias enk :)
07:00 < owl> hi nookie , jsaw 
07:00 < jsaw> hello!
07:00 < nookie> Hi owl :)
07:01 < MadTux> mm... n00kie und jsaw
07:02 < jsaw> hola!
07:02 < MadTux> hola jsaw
07:03 < MadTux> jsaw: so have you been taking good care of gnome* during the time i was away?
07:03 < jsaw> I hope so...
07:03 < MadTux> mmm... hope so?
07:04 < jsaw> I can't say that, others should say if I have taken _good_ care...
07:04 < jsaw> But I have gnome24 running on my own system, so, it was definitely not that bad :)
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07:05 < MadTux> jsaw: excellent :)
07:06 < MadTux> so i am off
07:06 < MadTux> n8 al
07:06 < MadTux> all
07:06 < jsaw> cu
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07:09 < nookie> hmm
07:09 < nookie> My mouse is damaged
07:09 < nookie> damn it
07:10 < jsaw> It's not taking verbal commands anymore, I guess...
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07:36 < blindcoder> moin
07:37 < netrunner> moin
07:41 < owl> hi blindy, netrunner 
07:42 < blindcoder> moin owl
07:42 < blindcoder> narf, rene didn't apply the mplayer fix yet >_<
07:44 < jsaw> hi blindcoder, netrunner
07:45 < jsaw> blindcoder: may I convince you to also update xine?
07:46 < blindcoder> jsaw: I didn't update
07:46 < blindcoder> jsaw: I fixed the --enable-live problem
07:47 < jsaw> blindcoder: updating would be the easy part, the real problem is, that the assembler has some problems with the latest xine libs. And i have no idea how to fix it... :(
07:49 < blindcoder> jsaw: hmm... have you asked the xine-people about it?
07:50 < jsaw> blindcoder: no time, that's why I want to pass it to sb. else. Got enough to do with gnome still...
07:51 < jsaw> blindcoder: but would be nice to have, then I don't have to downgrade totem and 2 other packages...
07:51 < blindcoder> jsaw: I see
07:51 < blindcoder> damn, that reminds me I have to write to cdrecord-man...
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09:09 < rxr> re
09:10 < blindcoder> moin rxr
09:10 < rxr> jsaw: send me an reminder - I can take a look
09:10 < rxr> I'll leave soon - but this evening and tomorrow I should have more time again ...
09:12 < jsaw> hi rxr, k - will do.
09:12 < rxr> hi jsaw, moin all
09:13 < rxr> blindcoder: I removed the stray --enable-live now ...
09:14 < blindcoder> rxr: thanks :)
09:14 < blindcoder> so I can do a new LVP release now :)
09:22 < rxr> jups - do you announce it?
09:23 < rxr> what was the URL of the homepage? 
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09:24 < owl> hi Aard !!!
09:24 < Aard> moin
09:28 < blindcoder> rxr: www.crash-override.net/lvp
09:28 < blindcoder> rxr: currently running a last check of the automate script
09:34 < rxr> ok - cu later
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11:26 < blindcoder> *lol*
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12:16 < netrunne1> blindcoder: thx for fixing my selfishness ;)
12:17 < netrunne1> blindcoder: have you tried my bootsplash?
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12:20 < blindcoder> netrunner: not yet, have been quite busy these last few days
12:20 < blindcoder> I'm currently waiting for huebi to show up for lunch
12:42 < daja77> moin
12:59 < blindcoder> moin moin daja
12:59 < huebi> re blindcoder 
12:59 < blindcoder> wb huebi
12:59 < daja77> moin blindy 6 huebi
12:59 < blindcoder> huebi: did you forget about me?
12:59  * huebi had call a customer, sorry.
13:00 < blindcoder> huebi: I see, no problem :)
13:00 < huebi> :-)
13:05 < blindcoder> at least today the Leberkassemmeln were normal-sized
13:05 < daja77> ^^
13:05 < huebi> blindcoder: ACK
13:06 < blindcoder> huebi: I see, so you had some, too :)
13:06 < blindcoder> somehow there was nothing that really appealed to me today, and the Zwiebelrostbraten was too expensive
13:07 < huebi> I had only one. 
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13:08 < daja77> .oO bavarian food
13:08 < blindcoder> daja77: REAL food :)
13:12 < WrKRobe> GAH
13:13 < WrKRobe> I'm gonna killa GDS
13:19 < blindcoder> GDS?
13:20 < blindcoder> okay, latest LVP is on freshmeat :)
13:20 < daja77> cool
13:22 < blindcoder> it's the biggest change so far, yet release focus is Code Cleanup >_<
13:22 < blindcoder> s/is/was/
13:22 < daja77> + audio controls ^^
13:22 < blindcoder> that's in the TODO
13:22 < daja77> yea right
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13:22 < blindcoder> bit since I have to rewrite the LVP binary itself, too, it will be in the next release
13:23 < blindcoder> I want to rewrite it to ensure 100% backward compatibility with older LVPs
13:23 < daja77> do you think of releasing to binary too, so that not everybody has to build it?
13:23 < blindcoder> this will probably result in a larger binary, but what the hell
13:24 < blindcoder> daja77: if I find somewhere to put it, yes, but I don't have the bandwidth for binary release
13:24 < blindcoder> daja77: maye I can coax rxr into something here
13:24 < daja77> ^^
13:24 < blindcoder> daja77: build time of roughly 8 hours is a showstopper for LVP, I'm afraid
13:25 < daja77> yep and some ppl will be afraid of building at all
13:25 < blindcoder> most won't be able to build it at all
13:25 < blindcoder> SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian... all no-go's
13:26 < daja77> so there is a point in providing binaries
13:26 < blindcoder> daja77: I just don't know how to release them, since you'd still need some scripts from ROC, e.g. Create-ISO and my lvpxml.sh script
13:27 < blindcoder> tar cfvI lvp.tar.bz2 rock-src # ?
13:27 < blindcoder> this would probably be a 300 MB tarball, probably less
13:27 < blindcoder> I could also, for the time being, put up a torrent :)
13:28 < daja77> hmm yes probably
13:29 < blindcoder> but today, I'll go to Inside-Computer and borrow some WLAN-Equipment :)
13:29 < daja77> ^^
13:29 < blindcoder> With a bit of luck, I should be fine with one AP and a bridge
13:40 < daja77> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=2c713204f7d13accb9626428176cd197%40die.wuer.de&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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14:38 < blindcoder> hmm
14:38 < blindcoder> since I already use ROCK itself it can't hurt to also use the rocklinux.net design, does it? :)
14:42 < daja77> don't think so
14:45 < rolla> re
14:46 < WrKRobe> blindcoder: yeah... I'm syncing the rsync rock repository since yesterday
14:46 < mnemoc> re
14:46 < WrKRobe> ROCK-2.0/nikolaus/ocs/ocs-2.3g-src.tar.bz2
14:46 < WrKRobe>      3407872  42%   16.06kB/s    0:04:42
14:46 < WrKRobe> ...
14:47 < blindcoder> 16.06? from where are you syncing?
14:48 < mnemoc> from a modem mirror?
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15:05 < WrKRobe> no
15:05 < WrKRobe> http://mirror.inode.at
15:05 < WrKRobe> 100mbit VIX connection
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15:06 < blindcoder> WrKRobe: now, what is the machine you're syncing from?
15:06 < WrKRobe> gds.tuwien.ac.at
15:08 < blindcoder> hmm...
15:10 < WrKRobe> indeed
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15:44 < cytrinox> re
15:53  * blindcoder going home
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16:31 < A-Tui> hi
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16:38 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
16:58 < A-Tui> hola daja77 :)
17:01 < daja77> :)
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17:28 < mnemoc> re
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17:42 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
17:43 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
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17:52 < daja77> hi Freak!
17:52 < Freak> yes! its me!
17:52 < Freak> me me me!
17:52 < Freak> :)
17:53 < mnemoc> Mr. Freakson
17:55 < daja77> he lives ...
18:21 < daja77> hmm can boot now rock linux and knoppix from my hd, nice
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20:00 < rxr> re
20:03 < rxr> blindcoder: at http://www.crash-override.net/lvp/usage.php the LVP useage box does not have the same borders as the other sides ...
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20:15 < rolla> yawn
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21:03 < mnemoc> A-Tui: have you heard something about 'Machos'?, here tv ppl talk and talk about their success on spain
21:04 < A-Tui> Machos?
21:04 < A-Tui> i only know Nachos :)
21:04 < A-Tui> what they are talking?
21:05 < mnemoc> it's a chilean soap opera 
21:06 < A-Tui> mmm i don't heard nothing, but i don't watch tv very much
21:06 < mnemoc> tv ppl said it got 26% yesterday on it's first day
21:07 < A-Tui> mnemoc: http://www.cooperativa.cl/cooperativa/Cultura/Noticias/184342Ip-Slink_cgiS.html
21:07 < A-Tui> http://www.libertaddigital.com/opiniones/opi_desa_16372.html
21:08 < A-Tui> mnemoc: ehhh i can remember a preview!
21:08 < A-Tui> the other day, something very subrealist
21:08 < A-Tui> :)
21:09 < mnemoc> :)
21:11 < A-Tui> a macho man appeared on my tv monitor :)
21:11 < mnemoc> lol
21:14 < A-Tui> mnemoc: in spain seems to be a lot of lonely women who want to watch machos seminudes :)
21:19 < mnemoc> the sad part is that there are no seminude machos on the real scenes.... just on the 'preview'
21:19 < mnemoc> and there are more women than men :)
21:20 < A-Tui> lol 
21:20 < A-Tui> did you see the soap yet?
21:21 < mnemoc> then, the critic that wrote that article on 'libertaldigital' didn't took the time to watch some of the real scenes
21:22 < mnemoc> A-Tui: sure, it's already finished here
21:23 < mnemoc> http://enescena.canal13.cl/espectaculos/enescena/html/Television/146238.html
21:23 < A-Tui> mnemoc: well you know that critics used to write without any kind of arguments :)
21:27 < mnemoc> brb
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21:28 < A-Tui> mnemoc: snow starts yesterday here :)
21:28 < A-Tui> started :)
21:28 < mnemoc> snow??
21:29 < A-Tui> i'm talking about weather :)
21:29 < A-Tui> yesterday was the first day with snow in the winter 
21:30 < mnemoc> i would love to see white-burgos some day :)
21:31 < mnemoc> welll i would love to see *-burgos someday :)
21:31 < A-Tui> hehe you can come here :)
21:32 < A-Tui> did you know our cathedral?
21:32 < mnemoc> i have seen pictures :(
21:32 < A-Tui> it's one of the famoust
21:32 < mnemoc> brb
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22:04 < mnemoc> re
22:05 < A-Tui> re
22:07 < rxr> mnemoc: porblem
22:07 < rxr> the 2.4.22 has a local root exploit
22:07 < th> ouhm?
22:07 < rxr> I want to update the kernel for -rc4 now ... (yes, we could pull the single fix ...
22:07 < rxr> th: even www.heise.de 
22:08 < rxr> well ok - the kernel has a bug making a local root exploit possible
22:08 < rxr> ^- this is the more correct text ...
22:08 < rxr> but considering all the fixed and updated stuff in 2.4.23 we should do the work now and pull it ...
22:08 < rxr> -rc4 will need some more days - since the rocknet stone module and rockplug have to be done anyway ...
22:13 < mnemoc> http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.4/diffs/mm/mmap.c@1.32?nav=cset@1.1148.2.2
22:13 < mnemoc> ok... update it but only that patch is needed :)
22:13 < A-Tui> time to sleep, cu all!
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22:13 < mnemoc> gn8 Aard 
22:13 < mnemoc> ...
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22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: update it, i'll not scream :)
22:15 < th> is that exploit kernel-config dependant?
22:15 < th> or does it work for every .config?
22:16 < mnemoc> that link i just paste is the fix for the exploit 
22:16 < mnemoc> then it's not config dependent
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22:19 < rxr> th: it is not config dependent
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, merciful rene, will you review my pending patches? :)
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22:36 < rxr> mnemoc: yes ;-)
22:36 < rxr> I just did SANE/Avision work
22:36 < rxr> and now I need to do some "UML \"slides\"" for university .... :-(
22:36 < rxr> they will get in ...
22:37 < rxr> I thought I have more time today ...
22:37 < mnemoc> the day is too short :|
22:37 < mnemoc> 24 hours are not enought
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22:42 < mnemoc> which is the 'onkeypress' event on javascript?
22:43 < daja77> re
22:44 < mnemoc> re daja77 
22:44 < rxr> mnemoc: if one could work 24 hours a day - but there is this ugly thing called sleep needed 
22:46 < mnemoc> even when you work 24 hours a day you get short of me :| and the entropy is very high when you don't sleep :\
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22:48  * mnemoc needs coffee
22:49 < daja77> :)
22:49 < daja77> hi rxr
22:50 < rxr> hi daja77 
22:51  * daja77 back from clt demo meeting
22:52 < mnemoc> clt demo?
22:52 < daja77> chemnitzer linuxtag, the small group that is planning the demonstrations, like rocklinux ^^
22:53 < mnemoc> clt=central limit theorem ;)
22:53 < daja77> not here
22:53 < daja77> :)
22:54 < mnemoc> that's why i was surprised :=
22:57 < mnemoc> http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/lt5/vortraege/detail.html?index=64 who's that guy? :)
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22:58 < daja77> me ...
22:59 < mnemoc> i know :)
22:59 < mnemoc> now i'll now your voice ;)
22:59 < mnemoc> know
22:59 < daja77> good that you don't see on the photo that the laptop was actually running on rh ;-)
22:59 < daja77> my voice omg
23:01 < mnemoc> rh???!!!
23:02 < daja77> yes due hw problems i didn't get 1.7CVS to work at that time :(
23:02 < daja77> but nobody noticed cos acrobat was running when switched to the screen ^^
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23:12  * daja77 hopes mnemoc isn't shocked by my voice ^^
23:13 < mnemoc> i'm shocked with your language :)
23:14 < mnemoc> i understand NOTHING! :(
23:14 < mnemoc> informatik is clear :)
23:15 < mnemoc> i must study german this year
23:15 < netrunner> mnemoc: mnemoc it's hard to learn :/ but japaneese/chinese is harder ;)
23:16  * netrunner stepping by on the way to bed
23:16 < daja77> n8 netrunner 
23:16 < mnemoc> n8 kanjirunner
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23:18 < daja77> rxr: the macromedia license is a nightmare, do you mind if i mail them to get a clear statement what we can do and what not?
23:20 < SMP> daja77: the licence is completely clear
23:20 < mnemoc> i'm trying to introduce 'no-binary-reditribution' warnings on build, and 'no-source-redistribution' restrictions in download
23:22 < cytrinox> gn8
23:22 < mnemoc> no-source-redistribution as FLAG will be very intrusive, maybe a '@' prefix on the download location can be better
23:23 < mnemoc> votes?
23:23 < mnemoc> n8 cytrinox 
23:29 < daja77> SMP: then i must have missed sth, sometimes they include the rules for linux, sometimes they don't
23:30 < SMP> http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/license/desktop/
23:30 < SMP> this is what is referred to on the macromedia.rediris.es mirror
23:32 < daja77> well with 2.d we might get the permission, rh, suse & co. are distributing it afaik
23:36  * daja77 checking
23:49 < daja77> seems only suse ships it
23:49 < daja77> and a mandrake guy built some packages, dunno if he have the license for that
23:50 < mnemoc> # grep -l -v '^\[F\].* NOSRCDIST' package/mnemoc-devel/daemontools/daemontools.desc
23:50 < mnemoc> # grep -l '^\[F\].* NOSRCDIST' package/mnemoc-devel/daemontools/daemontools.desc
23:50 < mnemoc> both answer the file name, am i doing something wrong?
23:52 < mnemoc> yes, i am aaarg
23:54 < rxr> daja77: jups mail them
23:54  * rxr just reading scrollback
23:55 < mnemoc> rxr: there is any *nice* way to get the list of files without an string?
23:55 < daja77> rxr: ok, somehow mr togami (the fedora guy) got his permission to create rpms and deps
23:58 < rxr> mnemoc: hm ?
23:59 < mnemoc> for x in *; do if ! grep -q "^foo" $x; then echo $x; fi done
23:59 < mnemoc> that in a nice way?
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