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--- Log opened Die Dez 02 00:00:07 2003 00:12 < rxr> cu 00:12 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 00:17 < daja77> re 00:17 < MadTux> wb daja77 00:17 < MadTux> cu rxr 00:17 < daja77> hey MadTux 00:24 < puzzled> rxr: you still here? 00:44 < daja77> n8 you all 00:55 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 01:52 < MadTux> mnemoc: 01:53 < mnemoc> MadTux: 01:57 < MadTux> que haceS? 01:57 < mnemoc> reinstalando el computador de la casa 01:57 < MadTux> ya la hechaste a perder? 01:57 < MadTux> :P 01:57 < mnemoc> :) 01:57 < MadTux> como estas? 01:58 < mnemoc> la salud esta bien, asi que bien :) 01:58 < mnemoc> y tu? 01:58 < MadTux> bueno bien, algo cansado, no he dormido en 2 dias.. para variar.. 01:58 < mnemoc> aun lo necesitas? =) 01:59 < MadTux> que dormir? 01:59 < mnemoc> yep 01:59 < mnemoc> el cafe no lo suple? 01:59 < MadTux> supongo que si, es un mal habito que adquiri de los mortales .. 02:00 < MadTux> mnemoc: ya sabes como son, tratan de influenciar a seres como vos y yo... 02:00 < MadTux> ;-) 02:00 < mnemoc> yo aca estoy demasiado influido por el mundo real :| paso en la casa todo el dia y entre mi hija y mi senora me obligan a dormir al menos 5 horas diarias :( 02:01 < mnemoc> influenciado* 02:01 < MadTux> 5 horas diarias?!?! wow como haces? 02:02 < mnemoc> despues una hora acostado mirando el techo terminas durmiendo 02:02 < MadTux> mm... necesitas una laptop.. 02:02 < mnemoc> i.e. 4 horas diarias y una mirando el techo :) 02:03 < mnemoc> tengo, pero me golpean cuando lo uso en la cama ya que las teclas suenan mucho :( 02:03 < MadTux> hehe.. yo casi nunca duermo 02:03 < mnemoc> lo he notado :) 02:03 < MadTux> bueno el codigo es adictivo.. 02:03 < MadTux> igual en este momento ire a ver si me como algo. 02:04 < MadTux> regreso en un ratito ok? 02:04 < mnemoc> ese es otro mal avito 02:04 < mnemoc> suerte 02:04 < MadTux> hehe 02:04 < mnemoc> habito* 02:04 < mnemoc> mi ortografia esta pesima 02:04 < MadTux> hablare con owl para que te unas clasesitas. 02:04 < MadTux> te de* 02:04 < mnemoc> :) 02:04 * MadTux eating 02:05 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-066-142.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 02:11 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-064-230.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:12 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rxr 02:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 02:19 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, owl, clifford, hannes, cchamilt 02:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: hannes, clifford, rolla, owl, cchamilt 02:20 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: aszlig_, Nebukadneza` 02:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Nebukadneza`, aszlig_ 02:20 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: huebi 02:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: huebi 02:21 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rxr 02:21 < SMP> fascinating, I can understand Spanish chatter ;) 02:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 02:21 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rxr 02:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 02:22 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: aszlig_, Nebukadneza` 02:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Nebukadneza`, aszlig_ 02:23 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: _spectre_, puzzled 02:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: puzzled, _spectre_ 02:24 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, owl, rolla, [anders], praenti, clifford, WrKRobe, aszlig_, Nebukadneza`, huebi, (+16 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 02:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: _spectre_, puzzled, aszlig_, Nebukadneza`, rxr, huebi, cchamilt, owl, rolla, clifford (+16 more) 02:25 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: praenti 02:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: praenti 02:26 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, WrKRobe, esden, th, Aard, kasc, SMP, snyke 02:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kasc, WrKRobe, Aard, snyke, daja77, th, esden, SMP 02:31 < mnemoc> wow 02:32 < mnemoc> SMP: spanish is very simple :) 02:34 < mnemoc> this zelazny.freenode.net server is 'very' stable :| 02:34 < SMP> I know many of the words from Latin 02:35 < SMP> mnemoc: Freenode just finished some major rebubbing - it's not just your server 02:36 < mnemoc> did you studied latin because you wanted or because you have to? 02:45 < SMP> I had to, in school. didn't like it, but now I regret that I didn't learn it more dilligently ;) 02:45 < SMP> same for Greek 02:46 < SMP> I chose Greek over French ... 02:48 < mnemoc> mmm... if we are lucky why can take german or french, the only mandatory language is english 02:49 < mnemoc> i wife studied latin and greek but she studied 'litaretura hispanica' :) 02:49 < mnemoc> s/i /my /1 02:52 < mnemoc> i would love to learn latin... some day i'll ask her to teach me :) 02:59 < SMP> well, I was on a special school. normal is only English and mostly French 03:02 < SMP> you're married? that's early ;) (at least by German standards) since when? 03:02 < mnemoc> since 22 :) 03:03 < SMP> is that early or rather normal in Chile? 03:03 < mnemoc> it's early here too 03:03 < mnemoc> ppl use to get married when 27-29 03:04 < mnemoc> the less standard part of me is that i'm waiting my second daugher :) 03:04 < mnemoc> daughter 03:05 < SMP> that's cool ;) how old is your first one? 03:05 < mnemoc> a 2 years little demon :) 03:06 < MadTux> SMPy hi! 03:06 * MadTux back 03:06 < mnemoc> wb RostedTux 03:06 < MadTux> ping ChristianQt 03:07 < SMP> I wonder if engagement with ROCK Linux bears a high risk of ones girlfriend/wife getting pregnant ;) 03:07 < MadTux> SMP: i really hope not. 03:08 < SMP> hi MadTux! still planning coming to Germany? 03:08 < MadTux> SMP: yups, if all goes well i will be there at 20c3 and new years eve 03:08 < SMP> cool 03:08 < mnemoc> :o 03:08 < MadTux> SMP: hope you'll be there too 03:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: what's that face? 03:09 < mnemoc> i didn't expected that 03:10 < MadTux> mnemoc: i've been talking about this trip for months... >_< 03:11 < SMP> I'll most likely be at 20c3 and most definetely in Berlin for New Years Eve 03:11 < MadTux> SMP: hopefully we'll get to met. I'm trying to plan a new years party with some of the rockers hope you can join 03:11 < SMP> in the Club Maria, to be precise 03:12 < MadTux> Club Maria... wtf is it? 03:12 < SMP> www.clubmaria.de (Flash req.) 03:13 < SMP> fine electronic music between Trance and Drum'n'Base 03:14 < MadTux> SMP: _NICE_ 03:14 < MadTux> ok so /me watching anime 03:14 < MadTux> be back later 03:14 < SMP> cu 03:14 < mnemoc> cu MadTux 03:15 < MadTux> ;) 03:16 < mnemoc> SMP: did you decided how do you want to handle license restrictions? 03:16 < mnemoc> after the split of the download_file code, the direct download of flaged packages wont be hard 03:20 < SMP> I didn't decide anything. Rene seems to think it's not something that requires immediate attention 03:20 < mnemoc> :( 03:21 < SMP> maybe he'll change his mind after the first subpoena forces him to stop distributing his CDs ;-\ 03:23 < mnemoc> hope not 03:26 < mnemoc> that's a very important issue we need to solve before 2.0 to avoid 'hard moments' 03:28 < mnemoc> iirc you had 4 kind of restrictions 03:30 < SMP> binaries / sources not distributable online / on physical media 03:32 < mnemoc> binary restrictions are solved tagging them as 'O' isn't it? 03:36 < SMP> well that won't stop anyone from doing it 'accidentially' 03:36 < SMP> so I'd like to see this noted explicitly 03:37 < SMP> of course people can still do what they should not, but at least they had a fair chance of knowing what they do 03:38 < mnemoc> but how do you difference between a final user making his own rock and a developer making a public distro as LVP or dRock? 03:38 < SMP> on the other hand making such statements opens one up for liability ... 03:40 < mnemoc> if we *warn* and don't do i by default are we free of 'liability'? 03:40 < mnemoc> s/ i / it / 03:42 < SMP> no, the question is if marking some packages as non-redistributable can be understood as a definite affirmation that the others are legally distributable 03:45 < mnemoc> i don't get the problem :| 03:46 < mnemoc> we must mark every non-redistributable package 03:46 < SMP> yes, that's one thing. what if we miss one? 03:46 < MadTux> . 03:47 < mnemoc> we cant :\ 03:47 < SMP> why? 03:47 < mnemoc> wb HentaiTux 03:48 < mnemoc> we can't miss anyone :( we have to be sure of the license of the 1000 packages we have :( 03:48 < SMP> well, we have copyright headers with disclaimers 03:50 < SMP> then the question might be if it is permitted to disclaim all liability 03:54 < mnemoc> i think that if we have good defaults and warn ppl when they are building something no distributable we can disclaim 03:55 < mnemoc> maybe after running Config 03:55 < mnemoc> btw, i just read copyright of packages, and there is no disclaimers 03:58 < SMP> it's in the there referenced Documentation/COPYING, paragraph 11 04:06 < mnemoc> yes, that's the default disclaim of GPL, but i think it applies very well to what rock is and how it works 04:08 < SMP> the thing is, nobody really knows what 'the extend permitted by applicable law' is in general and in each single case. 04:10 < mnemoc> that can be anything, but we can add something more ad-hoc to the copyright header, or not? 04:10 < SMP> you can't disclaim more than you are allowed to 04:11 < mnemoc> how commercial distros as suse handle that? 04:12 < mnemoc> disclaimers in general 04:12 < mnemoc> do they use extra disclaimers? 04:12 < SMP> they hope noone who has more lawyers than they have is going to drag them to court over this 04:15 < mnemoc> we can give a first step adding NOBINDIST and NOSRCDIST flags to pacakges, if X and NOBINDIST warn to not distribute the target and if NOSRCDIST download direct and not keep on mirror 04:16 < mnemoc> we have to hope too no tricky lawyers will want to sue us 04:17 < mnemoc> just worry about keeping devs not angry 04:17 < SMP> well, ROCK developers are not a worthy victim anyway ;) 04:18 < mnemoc> rl-consulting can get bigger :) 04:26 -!- jani_ [~jani@ppp115-242.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:44 < mnemoc> gn8 * 04:44 < SMP> n8 mnemoc 04:44 < MadTux> cu mnemoc 04:45 < mnemoc> i'll try to send a proposed patch to support those two flags i mensioned before 04:46 < mnemoc> tomorrow :) 04:46 < mnemoc> gn8 04:46 < SMP> ok, great 04:48 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.224.75.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:49 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.245.197.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:01 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:01 < MadTux> blindy. 05:01 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F941.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Nick collision from services. 05:01 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 06:07 < owl> moin 06:15 < MadTux> buenas dias Sandra 06:15 < owl> hola Miguel. que tal? 06:15 < MadTux> muy bien gracias y su merce? 06:16 < owl> no muy bien. gracias. 06:16 < owl> what does "su merce" means, please? 06:16 < owl> <- hasn't dictionary at work *cough* 06:16 < MadTux> owl: a very old and polite way to say yourself, i doub disctionary will help ya :) 06:17 < owl> ah. k. thx ;) 06:17 < owl> .oO(su merce = tu ?) 06:17 < MadTux> a ver y pq no estas muy bien? que te suceda? 06:17 < MadTux> owl: yes more or less like 'tu' 06:17 < owl> suceda? 06:18 < MadTux> sucede* 06:18 < MadTux> *grin* 06:18 < owl> because of my leg is still injured and so 06:18 < MadTux> oh poor owly. 06:18 < owl> hihi. now i feel better ;) my bf just awake ;))))))) 06:18 < owl> thx. 06:18 < MadTux> What do drs say? 06:18 < MadTux> greetings to true 06:19 < owl> nothing yet... the one i went last wednesday said "nothing. if it's not better till friday, visit me again". 06:19 < owl> and today i have a "meeting" with another doc. 06:19 < owl> thx. greetings back from true ;p 06:23 < owl> MadTux: what are you doing? 06:23 < MadTux> coding 06:23 < MadTux> you ? 06:23 < owl> writing vocabulary *g* 06:24 < MadTux> owl: quieres que te hable en espanol? 06:24 < owl> quieres? 06:24 < owl> "wie geht es mit spanisch voran"? 06:25 < MadTux> quieres = would you like 06:25 < MadTux> and ur spanish is good eule 06:26 < owl> nah. my guessing is good. but thx :p 06:26 < MadTux> :P 06:26 < owl> my spanish is still in progress... started with leccion 3 from 18 06:26 < owl> :p 06:27 < MadTux> :) 06:39 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rxr 06:39 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 06:47 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: cytrinox, MadTux, blindcoder, mnemoc 06:47 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder 06:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox 06:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: MadTux 06:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc 06:53 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,276030,00.html << ROFL 06:55 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802EB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:55 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 06:55 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [] [Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003] 06:55 [Users #rocklinux] 06:55 [ [anders] ] [ cchamilt ] [ esden ] [ MadTux ] [ owl ] [ SMP ] 06:55 [ _spectre_ ] [ ChristianQt] [ hannes] [ mistik1 ] [ praenti] [ snyke ] 06:55 [ Aard ] [ clifford ] [ huebi ] [ mnemoc ] [ puzzled] [ th ] 06:55 [ aszlig_ ] [ cytrinox ] [ jani_ ] [ Nebukadneza`] [ rolla ] [ WrKRobe] 06:55 [ blindcoder] [ daja77 ] [ kasc ] [ netrunner ] [ rxr ] 06:55 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 06:55 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 06:55 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 1 secs 06:58 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M286P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:59 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:59 < nookie> grias enk :) 07:00 < owl> hi nookie , jsaw 07:00 < jsaw> hello! 07:00 < nookie> Hi owl :) 07:01 < MadTux> mm... n00kie und jsaw 07:02 < jsaw> hola! 07:02 < MadTux> hola jsaw 07:03 < MadTux> jsaw: so have you been taking good care of gnome* during the time i was away? 07:03 < jsaw> I hope so... 07:03 < MadTux> mmm... hope so? 07:04 < jsaw> I can't say that, others should say if I have taken _good_ care... 07:04 < jsaw> But I have gnome24 running on my own system, so, it was definitely not that bad :) 07:04 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-155.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:05 < MadTux> jsaw: excellent :) 07:06 < MadTux> so i am off 07:06 < MadTux> n8 al 07:06 < MadTux> all 07:06 < jsaw> cu 07:07 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has quit "Client Exiting" 07:09 < nookie> hmm 07:09 < nookie> My mouse is damaged 07:09 < nookie> damn it 07:10 < jsaw> It's not taking verbal commands anymore, I guess... 07:14 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-135.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 07:32 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, WrKRobe, blindcoder, esden, th, Aard, kasc, mnemoc, SMP, snyke 07:32 -!- Aard [~bwachter@217.160.109.65] has joined #rocklinux 07:32 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@217.88.250.187] has joined #rocklinux 07:32 -!- th [~th@80.65.35.194] has joined #rocklinux 07:32 -!- snyke [~snyke@62.245.214.132] has joined #rocklinux 07:32 -!- esden [~weasel@62.245.214.143] has joined #rocklinux 07:32 -!- kasc [~kasc@213.23.64.230] has joined #rocklinux 07:32 -!- WrKRobe [robe@213.229.14.38] has joined #rocklinux 07:32 -!- daja77 [[Vt9ukzQaf@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc 07:33 -!- jani_ [~jani@ppp115-242.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 07:34 -!- SMP_ [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:36 < blindcoder> moin 07:37 < netrunner> moin 07:41 < owl> hi blindy, netrunner 07:42 < blindcoder> moin owl 07:42 < blindcoder> narf, rene didn't apply the mplayer fix yet >_< 07:44 < jsaw> hi blindcoder, netrunner 07:45 < jsaw> blindcoder: may I convince you to also update xine? 07:46 < blindcoder> jsaw: I didn't update 07:46 < blindcoder> jsaw: I fixed the --enable-live problem 07:47 < jsaw> blindcoder: updating would be the easy part, the real problem is, that the assembler has some problems with the latest xine libs. And i have no idea how to fix it... :( 07:49 < blindcoder> jsaw: hmm... have you asked the xine-people about it? 07:50 < jsaw> blindcoder: no time, that's why I want to pass it to sb. else. Got enough to do with gnome still... 07:51 < jsaw> blindcoder: but would be nice to have, then I don't have to downgrade totem and 2 other packages... 07:51 < blindcoder> jsaw: I see 07:51 < blindcoder> damn, that reminds me I have to write to cdrecord-man... 08:39 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p508026F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:39 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 08:39 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [] [Tue Sep 2 15:34:51 2003] 08:39 [Users #rocklinux] 08:39 [ [anders] ] [ cchamilt] [ hannes ] [ mnemoc ] [ owl ] [ SMP_ ] 08:39 [ _spectre_ ] [ clifford] [ huebi ] [ Nebukadneza``] [ praenti] [ snyke ] 08:39 [ Aard ] [ cytrinox] [ jsaw ] [ netrunne1 ] [ puzzled] [ th ] 08:39 [ aszlig_ ] [ daja77 ] [ kasc ] [ netrunner ] [ rolla ] [ WrKRobe] 08:39 [ blindcoder] [ esden ] [ mistik1] [ nookie ] [ rxr ] 08:39 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 08:39 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 08:39 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 08:48 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802EB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 08:56 -!- Aard [~bwachter@217.160.109.65] has quit "leaving" 09:09 < rxr> re 09:10 < blindcoder> moin rxr 09:10 < rxr> jsaw: send me an reminder - I can take a look 09:10 < rxr> I'll leave soon - but this evening and tomorrow I should have more time again ... 09:12 < jsaw> hi rxr, k - will do. 09:12 < rxr> hi jsaw, moin all 09:13 < rxr> blindcoder: I removed the stray --enable-live now ... 09:14 < blindcoder> rxr: thanks :) 09:14 < blindcoder> so I can do a new LVP release now :) 09:22 < rxr> jups - do you announce it? 09:23 < rxr> what was the URL of the homepage? 09:24 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:24 < owl> hi Aard !!! 09:24 < Aard> moin 09:28 < blindcoder> rxr: www.crash-override.net/lvp 09:28 < blindcoder> rxr: currently running a last check of the automate script 09:34 < rxr> ok - cu later 10:03 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1CC56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:22 -!- surftool2 [~Bob@adsl-209-76-108-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:24 -!- surftool2 [~Bob@adsl-209-76-108-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit Client Quit 11:26 < blindcoder> *lol* 11:35 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1CC56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 12:16 < netrunne1> blindcoder: thx for fixing my selfishness ;) 12:17 < netrunne1> blindcoder: have you tried my bootsplash? 12:17 -!- You're now known as netrunner 12:18 * netrunner -> lunch 12:20 < blindcoder> netrunner: not yet, have been quite busy these last few days 12:20 < blindcoder> I'm currently waiting for huebi to show up for lunch 12:42 < daja77> moin 12:59 < blindcoder> moin moin daja 12:59 < huebi> re blindcoder 12:59 < blindcoder> wb huebi 12:59 < daja77> moin blindy 6 huebi 12:59 < blindcoder> huebi: did you forget about me? 12:59 * huebi had call a customer, sorry. 13:00 < blindcoder> huebi: I see, no problem :) 13:00 < huebi> :-) 13:05 < blindcoder> at least today the Leberkassemmeln were normal-sized 13:05 < daja77> ^^ 13:05 < huebi> blindcoder: ACK 13:06 < blindcoder> huebi: I see, so you had some, too :) 13:06 < blindcoder> somehow there was nothing that really appealed to me today, and the Zwiebelrostbraten was too expensive 13:07 < huebi> I had only one. 13:07 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M295P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:08 < daja77> .oO bavarian food 13:08 < blindcoder> daja77: REAL food :) 13:12 < WrKRobe> GAH 13:13 < WrKRobe> I'm gonna killa GDS 13:19 < blindcoder> GDS? 13:20 < blindcoder> okay, latest LVP is on freshmeat :) 13:20 < daja77> cool 13:22 < blindcoder> it's the biggest change so far, yet release focus is Code Cleanup >_< 13:22 < blindcoder> s/is/was/ 13:22 < daja77> + audio controls ^^ 13:22 < blindcoder> that's in the TODO 13:22 < daja77> yea right 13:22 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M286P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 13:22 < blindcoder> bit since I have to rewrite the LVP binary itself, too, it will be in the next release 13:23 < blindcoder> I want to rewrite it to ensure 100% backward compatibility with older LVPs 13:23 < daja77> do you think of releasing to binary too, so that not everybody has to build it? 13:23 < blindcoder> this will probably result in a larger binary, but what the hell 13:24 < blindcoder> daja77: if I find somewhere to put it, yes, but I don't have the bandwidth for binary release 13:24 < blindcoder> daja77: maye I can coax rxr into something here 13:24 < daja77> ^^ 13:24 < blindcoder> daja77: build time of roughly 8 hours is a showstopper for LVP, I'm afraid 13:25 < daja77> yep and some ppl will be afraid of building at all 13:25 < blindcoder> most won't be able to build it at all 13:25 < blindcoder> SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian... all no-go's 13:26 < daja77> so there is a point in providing binaries 13:26 < blindcoder> daja77: I just don't know how to release them, since you'd still need some scripts from ROC, e.g. Create-ISO and my lvpxml.sh script 13:27 < blindcoder> tar cfvI lvp.tar.bz2 rock-src # ? 13:27 < blindcoder> this would probably be a 300 MB tarball, probably less 13:27 < blindcoder> I could also, for the time being, put up a torrent :) 13:28 < daja77> hmm yes probably 13:29 < blindcoder> but today, I'll go to Inside-Computer and borrow some WLAN-Equipment :) 13:29 < daja77> ^^ 13:29 < blindcoder> With a bit of luck, I should be fine with one AP and a bridge 13:40 < daja77> https://www.google.com/groups?selm=2c713204f7d13accb9626428176cd197%40die.wuer.de&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain 14:28 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.245.197.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit "Client exiting" 14:38 < blindcoder> hmm 14:38 < blindcoder> since I already use ROCK itself it can't hurt to also use the www.rocklinux.net design, does it? :) 14:42 < daja77> don't think so 14:45 < rolla> re 14:46 < WrKRobe> blindcoder: yeah... I'm syncing the rsync rock repository since yesterday 14:46 < mnemoc> re 14:46 < WrKRobe> ROCK-2.0/nikolaus/ocs/ocs-2.3g-src.tar.bz2 14:46 < WrKRobe> 3407872 42% 16.06kB/s 0:04:42 14:46 < WrKRobe> ... 14:47 < blindcoder> 16.06? from where are you syncing? 14:48 < mnemoc> from a modem mirror? 14:50 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.245.197.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 < WrKRobe> no 15:05 < WrKRobe> https://mirror.inode.at 15:05 < WrKRobe> 100mbit VIX connection 15:05 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M295P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 15:06 < blindcoder> WrKRobe: now, what is the machine you're syncing from? 15:06 < WrKRobe> gds.tuwien.ac.at 15:08 < blindcoder> hmm... 15:10 < WrKRobe> indeed 15:23 -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP 15:23 -!- SMP [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has quit Killed by anthony.freenode.net () 15:25 -!- SMP_ [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:25 -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP 15:44 < cytrinox> re 15:53 * blindcoder going home 16:03 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C75F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 < A-Tui> hi 16:32 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit "Client Exiting" 16:35 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E77196.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:38 < daja77> hi A-Tui 16:58 < A-Tui> hola daja77 :) 17:01 < daja77> :) 17:22 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 < mnemoc> re 17:39 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has quit "leaving" 17:42 < daja77> hi mnemoc 17:43 < mnemoc> hi daja77 17:48 -!- Freak [freak@helena2.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:52 < daja77> hi Freak! 17:52 < Freak> yes! its me! 17:52 < Freak> me me me!° 17:52 < Freak> :) 17:53 < mnemoc> Mr. Freakson 17:55 < daja77> he lives ... 18:21 < daja77> hmm can boot now rock linux and knoppix from my hd, nice 18:45 -!- puzzled [~patrick@puzzled.xs4all.nl] has quit "Leaving" 18:53 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit "leaving" 18:58 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E77196.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ".." 18:58 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit "I like core dumps" 18:58 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E77196.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:12 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:14 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:36 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivekn7.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:54 -!- Freak [freak@helena2.bawue.de] has left #rocklinux ["Client exiting"] 19:55 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm151.gamma146.maxonline.com.sg] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:00 < rxr> re 20:03 < rxr> blindcoder: at https://www.crash-override.net/lvp/usage.php the LVP useage box does not have the same borders as the other sides ... 20:04 -!- Freak [freak@helena2.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:15 < rolla> yawn 20:22 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 20:27 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9E39833.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:42 -!- elon_ [~moep2k@pD9E753E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:59 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E77196.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 21:03 < mnemoc> A-Tui: have you heard something about 'Machos'?, here tv ppl talk and talk about their success on spain 21:04 < A-Tui> Machos? 21:04 < A-Tui> i only know Nachos :) 21:04 < A-Tui> what they are talking? 21:05 < mnemoc> it's a chilean soap opera 21:06 < A-Tui> mmm i don't heard nothing, but i don't watch tv very much 21:06 < mnemoc> tv ppl said it got 26% yesterday on it's first day 21:07 < A-Tui> mnemoc: https://www.cooperativa.cl/cooperativa/Cultura/Noticias/184342Ip-Slink_cgiS.html 21:07 < A-Tui> https://www.libertaddigital.com/opiniones/opi_desa_16372.html 21:08 < A-Tui> mnemoc: ehhh i can remember a preview! 21:08 < A-Tui> the other day, something very subrealist 21:08 < A-Tui> :) 21:09 < mnemoc> :) 21:11 < A-Tui> a macho man appeared on my tv monitor :) 21:11 < mnemoc> lol 21:14 < A-Tui> mnemoc: in spain seems to be a lot of lonely women who want to watch machos seminudes :) 21:19 < mnemoc> the sad part is that there are no seminude machos on the real scenes.... just on the 'preview' 21:19 < mnemoc> and there are more women than men :) 21:20 < A-Tui> lol 21:20 < A-Tui> did you see the soap yet? 21:21 < mnemoc> then, the critic that wrote that article on 'libertaldigital' didn't took the time to watch some of the real scenes 21:22 < mnemoc> A-Tui: sure, it's already finished here 21:23 < mnemoc> https://enescena.canal13.cl/espectaculos/enescena/html/Television/146238.html 21:23 < A-Tui> mnemoc: well you know that critics used to write without any kind of arguments :) 21:27 < mnemoc> brb 21:28 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 21:28 < A-Tui> mnemoc: snow starts yesterday here :) 21:28 < A-Tui> started :) 21:28 < mnemoc> snow?? 21:29 < A-Tui> i'm talking about weather :) 21:29 < A-Tui> yesterday was the first day with snow in the winter 21:30 < mnemoc> i would love to see white-burgos some day :) 21:31 < mnemoc> welll i would love to see *-burgos someday :) 21:31 < A-Tui> hehe you can come here :) 21:32 < A-Tui> did you know our cathedral? 21:32 < mnemoc> i have seen pictures :( 21:32 < A-Tui> it's one of the famoust 21:32 < mnemoc> brb 22:02 -!- Freak [freak@helena2.bawue.de] has quit Excess Flood 22:02 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivekn7.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit Connection timed out 22:03 -!- Freak [freak@helena2.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:04 < mnemoc> re 22:05 < A-Tui> re 22:07 < rxr> mnemoc: porblem 22:07 < rxr> the 2.4.22 has a local root exploit 22:07 < th> ouhm? 22:07 < rxr> I want to update the kernel for -rc4 now ... (yes, we could pull the single fix ... 22:07 < rxr> th: even www.heise.de 22:08 < rxr> well ok - the kernel has a bug making a local root exploit possible 22:08 < rxr> ^- this is the more correct text ... 22:08 < rxr> but considering all the fixed and updated stuff in 2.4.23 we should do the work now and pull it ... 22:08 < rxr> -rc4 will need some more days - since the rocknet stone module and rockplug have to be done anyway ... 22:13 < mnemoc> https://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.4/diffs/mm/mmap.c@1.32?nav=cset@1.1148.2.2 22:13 < mnemoc> ok... update it but only that patch is needed :) 22:13 < A-Tui> time to sleep, cu all! 22:13 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit "I like core dumps" 22:13 < mnemoc> gn8 Aard 22:13 < mnemoc> ... 22:14 -!- bluefire is now known as bluefire|notactu 22:14 -!- bluefire|notactu is now known as bluefire|nothere 22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: update it, i'll not scream :) 22:15 < th> is that exploit kernel-config dependant? 22:15 < th> or does it work for every .config? 22:16 < mnemoc> that link i just paste is the fix for the exploit 22:16 < mnemoc> then it's not config dependent 22:18 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9E39833.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 22:19 < rxr> th: it is not config dependent 22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, merciful rene, will you review my pending patches? :) 22:35 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9E39833.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:36 < rxr> mnemoc: yes ;-) 22:36 < rxr> I just did SANE/Avision work 22:36 < rxr> and now I need to do some "UML \"slides\"" for university .... :-( 22:36 < rxr> they will get in ... 22:37 < rxr> I thought I have more time today ... 22:37 < mnemoc> the day is too short :| 22:37 < mnemoc> 24 hours are not enought 22:40 -!- bluefire|nothere is now known as bluefire 22:42 < mnemoc> which is the 'onkeypress' event on javascript? 22:43 < daja77> re 22:44 < mnemoc> re daja77 22:44 < rxr> mnemoc: if one could work 24 hours a day - but there is this ugly thing called sleep needed 22:46 < mnemoc> even when you work 24 hours a day you get short of me :| and the entropy is very high when you don't sleep :\ 22:48 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 22:48 * mnemoc needs coffee 22:49 < daja77> :) 22:49 < daja77> hi rxr 22:50 < rxr> hi daja77 22:51 * daja77 back from clt demo meeting 22:52 < mnemoc> clt demo? 22:52 < daja77> chemnitzer linuxtag, the small group that is planning the demonstrations, like rocklinux ^^ 22:53 < mnemoc> clt=central limit theorem ;) 22:53 < daja77> not here 22:53 < daja77> :) 22:54 < mnemoc> that's why i was surprised := 22:57 < mnemoc> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/lt5/vortraege/detail.html?index=64 who's that guy? :) 22:58 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C75F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit "leaving" 22:58 < daja77> me ... 22:59 < mnemoc> i know :) 22:59 < mnemoc> now i'll now your voice ;) 22:59 < mnemoc> know 22:59 < daja77> good that you don't see on the photo that the laptop was actually running on rh ;-) 22:59 < daja77> my voice omg 23:01 < mnemoc> rh???!!! 23:02 < daja77> yes due hw problems i didn't get 1.7CVS to work at that time :( 23:02 < daja77> but nobody noticed cos acrobat was running when switched to the screen ^^ 23:05 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9E39833.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 23:06 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9E39833.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:12 * daja77 hopes mnemoc isn't shocked by my voice ^^ 23:13 < mnemoc> i'm shocked with your language :) 23:14 < mnemoc> i understand NOTHING! :( 23:14 < mnemoc> informatik is clear :) 23:15 < mnemoc> i must study german this year 23:15 < netrunner> mnemoc: mnemoc it's hard to learn :/ but japaneese/chinese is harder ;) 23:16 * netrunner stepping by on the way to bed 23:16 < daja77> n8 netrunner 23:16 < mnemoc> n8 kanjirunner 23:17 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivekqp.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:18 < daja77> rxr: the macromedia license is a nightmare, do you mind if i mail them to get a clear statement what we can do and what not? 23:20 < SMP> daja77: the licence is completely clear 23:20 < mnemoc> i'm trying to introduce 'no-binary-reditribution' warnings on build, and 'no-source-redistribution' restrictions in download 23:22 < cytrinox> gn8 23:22 < mnemoc> no-source-redistribution as FLAG will be very intrusive, maybe a '@' prefix on the download location can be better 23:23 < mnemoc> votes? 23:23 < mnemoc> n8 cytrinox 23:29 < daja77> SMP: then i must have missed sth, sometimes they include the rules for linux, sometimes they don't 23:30 < SMP> https://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/license/desktop/ 23:30 < SMP> this is what is referred to on the macromedia.rediris.es mirror 23:32 < daja77> well with 2.d we might get the permission, rh, suse & co. are distributing it afaik 23:36 * daja77 checking 23:49 < daja77> seems only suse ships it 23:49 < daja77> and a mandrake guy built some packages, dunno if he have the license for that 23:50 < mnemoc> # grep -l -v '^\[F\].* NOSRCDIST' package/mnemoc-devel/daemontools/daemontools.desc 23:50 < mnemoc> # grep -l '^\[F\].* NOSRCDIST' package/mnemoc-devel/daemontools/daemontools.desc 23:50 < mnemoc> both answer the file name, am i doing something wrong? 23:52 < mnemoc> yes, i am aaarg 23:54 < rxr> daja77: jups mail them 23:54 * rxr just reading scrollback 23:55 < mnemoc> rxr: there is any *nice* way to get the list of files without an string? 23:55 < daja77> rxr: ok, somehow mr togami (the fedora guy) got his permission to create rpms and deps 23:58 < rxr> mnemoc: hm ? 23:59 < mnemoc> for x in *; do if ! grep -q "^foo" $x; then echo $x; fi done 23:59 < mnemoc> that in a nice way? --- Log closed Mit Dez 03 00:00:22 2003