--- Log opened Mit Dez 03 00:00:22 2003
--- Day changed Mit Dez 03 2003
00:00 < rxr> mnemoc: grep -H ?
00:00 < rxr> with | cut -d : -f 1 
00:00 < rxr> or so
00:00 < mnemoc> i want ! -H
00:01 < mnemoc> the files without the string
00:01 < rxr> grep rene /etc/* | cut -d : -f1
00:01 < rxr> better then the for loop ...
00:02 < mnemoc> i don't get how that can give me the files without rene
00:04 < daja77> hmm should i write to european office or usa
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00:04 < MadTux> moin
00:04 < mnemoc> moin MadTux 
00:04 < daja77> hi MadTux 
00:04 < MadTux> mnemoc: hola :)
00:05 < MadTux> daja77: hallo.
00:07 < SMP> mnemoc: -l, --files-with-matches
00:07 < SMP> eh
00:07 < mnemoc> SMP: thanks, i just found that :)
00:07 < SMP> mnemoc: -L, --files-without-match
00:07 < mnemoc> -L bytheway
00:09 < mnemoc> i had to read 5 time the damn man to see that line :|
00:09  * daja77 hates companies who deliver mail forms instead of mail addresses
00:10 < mnemoc> it's worse when that form uses your mail client to deliver the message ;)
00:10 < daja77> hehe
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00:22 < rxr> mnemoc: sorry misunderstood your initial question
00:22 < rxr> -L is handy ;-)
00:23 < mnemoc> don't worry ;)
00:24 < rxr> shit - kprint remembered my 720dpi setting from the last print
00:24 < rxr> now my kword doc needs multiple minutes per page ... :-(
00:29 < daja77> is kword usable now?
00:29 < rxr> for me yes ...
00:30 < rxr> you can remind me to put some nice shots of KDE on the rocklinux-consulting.de page ...
00:30 < rxr> tomorrow or so ...
00:31 < rxr> but I only do short time stuff for uni exercises in kword
00:32 < rxr> for big stuff I use LaTeX ...
00:37 < daja77> for me it was broken that's why i installed openoffice for granny
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00:42 < rxr> daja77: for me it has only tiny issues
00:42 < rxr> daja77: I think I take the time in some days and write them all down to the koffice list ...
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00:45 < rxr> cu - n8 all
00:52 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
00:53 < mnemoc> SMP: i have the patch tested and ready to send :)
00:54 < mnemoc> i hope to get your comments
00:58 < daja77> n8 rxr
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01:18 < mnemoc> daja77: after you change microphone i start understanding some things :)
01:20 < daja77> hehe
01:20 < daja77> what did you understand
01:22 < mnemoc> little things you explain about rock
01:22 < mnemoc> but *little*
01:22 < daja77> this is great still
01:22 < daja77> my knowlegde of rock was poor at this time ^^
01:23 < mnemoc> poor enough to use RH on your laptop :\
01:24 < daja77> well i had no chance to get a recent rock working at this time
01:24 < daja77> now i am better off :)
01:25 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
01:26 < mnemoc> mmm
01:26 < daja77> ahem no
01:26 < daja77> to be better off, means sth else
01:26 < mnemoc> i read that line twice getting to absolutly different meanings
01:27 < mnemoc> the frist time i read it igot tthat
01:27 < daja77> :)
01:27 < mnemoc> then i thought you had written a NEW line without the better :|
01:27 < mnemoc> damn congnitive sth
01:28 < mnemoc> maybe I need to sleep
01:28 < MadTux> mnemoc: sleep?!?!
01:28 < MadTux> mnemoc: those mortal bad habits..
01:28 < mnemoc> :)
01:38 < mnemoc> MadTux: sabes como se llama el evento javascript que se gatilla cada vez que se presiona alguna tecla en un field?
01:38 < daja77> :))
01:39 < MadTux> mnemoc: mmm... nop
01:39 < mnemoc> daja77: do you?
01:39 < mnemoc> brb
01:41 < mnemoc> re
01:43 < daja77> well got only parts of the question and i haven't used  javascript for ages
01:45 < mnemoc> onkeypress='something;'
01:45 < mnemoc> how can i do that on javascript?
01:45 < mnemoc> for <input />
01:47 < daja77> afaik you need an event fucntion which you have to "connect" to the event, but really, i used this years ago
01:49 < SMP> the attribute is named onchange
01:49  * daja77 wonders if SMP knows everything :)
01:49 < SMP> no, but I know where to look
01:50 < daja77> hehe ok, too tired for that atm
01:50 < daja77> i wrote them anyway
01:50 < daja77> in the worst case the don't allow us to do it
01:51 < daja77> which is not worse than now ^^
01:52 < MadTux> daja77: didn't you know SMP rocks?
01:54 < daja77> :)
02:04 < mnemoc> re
02:06 < mnemoc> SMP: thanks :)
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02:07 < daja77> huh kasc was here ...
02:08 < SMP> n8
02:08 < daja77> n8 SMP 
02:08 < mnemoc> n8 SMP
02:08  * daja77 goin to bed too
02:09 < MadTux> n8 master SMP and daja77
02:09 < mnemoc> gn8 dajaboy
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02:29 < Aard> [x] death penalty for usermode developers using kernel headers
02:32 < MadTux> hello Aard
02:32 < MadTux> Aardvark i mean :)
02:34 < Aard> hi MadTux 
02:34 < MadTux> Aard: long time not seen you 
02:35 < MadTux> brb rebooting
02:35 < Aard> MadTux: too much work to do
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02:41 < MadTux> re
02:45 < mnemoc> ?
02:52 < MadTux> mnemoc: ?
02:55 < mnemoc> what was that? :)
02:56  * MadTux booting on a new kernel image, got a new NIC.. had to add support.
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04:39 < Decade> I was wondering, what is the status of Rock Linux on Alpha? And does it support interesting programs like Compaq's Portable Math Library?
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05:02 < MadTux> hi blindy
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07:46 < MadTux> cchamilt: ;-)
07:46 < blindcoder> moin moin
07:46 < MadTux> blindy!
07:47 < blindcoder> !
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08:30 < [anders]> *yawn*
08:30 < netrunne1> moin
08:30 -!- You're now known as netrunner
08:30 < [anders]> lo netrunner 
08:32 < MadTux> hej [anders]
08:33 < netrunner> blindcoder: you're kidding with your fixing mplayer. just cutting of something is bad, either fix it or leave it.
08:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: look at the whole mplayer.conf please
08:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: it _is_ fixed
08:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: a few lines earlier there is a [ -f $root/var/adm/packages/rtsp ] && var_append confopt " " "--enable-live"
08:35 < blindcoder> which is correct
08:36 < blindcoder> but the unconditional var_append confopt " " "--enable-live" is just plain wrong
08:39 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, I've just seen the remove part in your patch. rene then forgot to remove it when he included the cond. sorry ;)
08:40 < blindcoder> netrunner: no problem :)
08:41 < blindcoder> I now continue working working on the new LVP website with rocklinux.net design :)
08:41  * netrunner had to rescuredisk his build server today.
08:41 < blindcoder> killed your kernel?
08:42 < netrunner> when I did the bootsplash stuff I removed my current kernel to build a new ... but then shutdown without building ;)
08:42 < blindcoder> oh...
08:43 < blindcoder> that reminds me, I wanted to do an UML of a uslibc-linux...
08:43 < netrunner> hm. linux2.4.22 has security issues, but 2.4.23 no bootsplash patch ...
08:44 < blindcoder> netrunner: try applying it anyway
08:44 < blindcoder> netrunner: the LPP applies since 2.4.20 :)
08:46 < netrunner> hm, updating the kernel means updating all patches that lie there .. :(
08:48 < blindcoder> jups
08:48 < blindcoder> but 2.4.22 is local only
08:51 < netrunner> blindcoder: ?
08:52 < blindcoder> the exploit in 2.4.22 need s a local user account
08:52 < netrunner> ah. 
09:34 < huebi> Moin
09:34 < huebi> blindcoder: Kaffee?
09:34 < blindcoder> huebi: sure
09:38  * netrunner want's too
09:38 < MadTux> huebi: hallo mein freund
09:39 < netrunner> argl, once again downloaded into the package dir :/
09:56 < [anders]> hej hej MadTux 
09:56 < MadTux> [anders]: :)
10:00  * blindcoder back
10:01 < MadTux> wb bc
10:01  * netrunner creating rosegarden package
10:03 < blindcoder> wasn't rosegarden packaged by clifford?
10:14 < WrKRobe> wrote 32884 bytes  read 4163676109 bytes  31042.92 bytes/sec
10:14 < WrKRobe> can you feel the speed?
10:15 < MadTux> WrKRobe: :)
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10:20  * blindcoder currently working hard on making himself unpopular on the rock-linux list...
10:22 < MadTux> blindcoder: why? whats wrong?
10:22 < blindcoder> MadTux: check the list :)
10:23 < MadTux> blindcoder: mmm lets see
10:24 < MadTux> i just did, i think i removed the mail
10:24 < MadTux> checking archives
10:28 < MadTux> blindcoder: no i had not remove it, just got it, hehe
10:28 < MadTux> blindcoder: actually i totally agree with you 
10:30 < blindcoder> MadTux: I hope that other's do so, too.
10:30 < MadTux> think so
10:31 < MadTux> blindcoder: it would really not be a nice bday present to have 2.0-final by then
10:33 < blindcoder> MadTux: indeed >_<
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11:58 < daja77> re
11:59 < MadTux> gday daja77 :)
12:00 < daja77> :)
12:08 < blindcoder> moin daja
12:08 < daja77> hi blindy
12:23 < MadTux> n8 all
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12:41 < cchamilt> rxr;?
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13:24 < mnemoc> re [^(blindy)] :)
13:25 < daja77> :))
13:26 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
13:26 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
13:29 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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13:31 < blindcoder> mnemoc: why did I expect this? :)
13:31 < mnemoc> jk :)
13:32 < mnemoc> i use your reply to send some rockets too
13:33 < blindcoder> mnemoc: No offense taken :) I just read your response
13:34 < blindcoder> mnemoc: If we can trust rene's latest mail we should have 2.0-final this christmas, though I doubt that a little bit. Would be cool, but still
13:34 < daja77> think final for christmas is unrealistic anyway, maybe we can polish it on 20c3
13:34 < daja77> yes it would rock
13:34 < mnemoc> when 203c is?
13:34 < blindcoder> yes, 2.0-final-DVDs for sale on 20C3
13:34 < mnemoc> 20c3
13:34 < blindcoder> 27.-29.12.
13:36 < mnemoc> i found that unrealistic too :( may be valentine as blindy said
13:37 < daja77> would still rock, a stable rc4 would be fine for me atm
13:38 < blindcoder> daja77: yes
13:38 < blindcoder> daja77: I plan on taking about 25-50 DVD-Rs with me to 20C3 to give away ROCK-DVDs
13:41 < daja77> cool
13:41 < daja77> so your are the salesman this time ^^
13:42 < blindcoder> daja77: as soon as I find a contact address for schily to ask if this is allowed with the free license of cdrecord-prodvd
13:43 < daja77> erh thought there is a free dvd recording tool as well
13:44 < blindcoder> none that works here
13:45 < daja77> this sucks
13:45 < daja77> you wrote the dvdrecord guys about this?
13:46 < blindcoder> at that time they stated that almost no writers would work and that they don't any it-doesn't-work-with-writer-xyz-mail anymore
13:46 < blindcoder> don't want any
13:47 < daja77> strange their hp tells different, anyway
13:47 < daja77> the emerging of more and more nonfree software just sucks
13:48 < blindcoder> cdrecord-prodvd is here for 5 years now...
13:49 < blindcoder> daja77: what's the URL of dvdrecord again? I'm willing to try it
13:56 < blindcoder> huebi: WE'RE GOING TO FREEZE TO DEATH!
14:13 < huebi> blindcoder: Do you see the ice cristals on the windows? They're comming closer and closer....
14:14 < blindcoder> huebi: huebi if there'd at least be some cuties around here one could huzg them and say "It's for our survival" :)
14:22 < daja77> http://www.nongnu.org/dvdrtools/
14:24 < daja77> ah nice, got mail for support to get us a nice poster for clt2004
14:27 < blindcoder> June, 13... I think that's the version I tried
14:28 < daja77> there are not very active when you look at their mail rchives
14:28 < daja77> archives
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14:34 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, now you know why there is no free DVD-Writing tool :)
14:34 < rxr> I will release 2.0.0 soon
14:34 < blindcoder> rxr: cool :)
14:34 < rxr> waiting longer and longer with just new features getting in does not make sense
14:34 < rxr> especially with al the stuff on the 2.1 list that might get started at 20c3 ...
14:35 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll try to take a handful DVD-Rs with me to 20C3 so we can give away / sell for price of DVD-R some DVD-Versions of ROCK 2.0 with different targets/optimizations
14:35 < rxr> but when you ask me I vote for delaying 2.1 until summer next year and continue to do 2.0 polishing with some nice maintenenace milestones
14:35 < rxr> before we get into some 2.1 chaos again ...
14:36 < blindcoder> rxr: makes sense, you should bring that up on or before 20C3
14:37 < rxr> clifford: are you around? Do you plan to schedule some time for the rocknet STONE module?
14:38 < mnemoc> "feature freeze, 2 weeks for release"?
14:38 < clifford> rxr: yup. currently i have no net at home (don't ask me why - i don't know yet) and that makes development pretty hard.
14:43 < rxr> clifford: so should we do it? Or do you have some free minutes at work?
14:44 < rxr> s/it/rocknet stone module/
14:48 < clifford> rxr: this is a good question. the answer is : i dont know when I will have time to make it.
14:48 < mnemoc> rxr: i meaned as far as i can see, rock don't converges to 2.0, it's growing, getting better, but not converging to a release
14:48 < clifford> I currently have no rock at work, so ..
14:49 < owl> moin
14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: but waiting and delaying does not help  ...
14:49 < mnemoc> moin owl
14:49 < owl> hi mnemoc 
14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: what missing and/or open TODO entries do you have?
14:50 < blindcoder> moin owly
14:50 < owl> hi blindy
14:51 < mnemoc> rxr: for 2.0? gcc unification, linux extraverion, cron update, and then runit rockified, mono-0.29 and vserver-1.00
14:52 < rxr> and this is the missing convergation towards 2.0 ?
14:52 < mnemoc> no
14:53 < mnemoc> that's my TODO for 2.0 ;)
14:53 < mnemoc> and as i have it done, i continue with my 2.1 TODO
14:56 < mnemoc> do you have time for quick-patching and problem solving these days?
14:57 < mnemoc> aaarg.. i can't get use to this forum s.ths :\ (flyspray)
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15:08 < blindcoder> clifford: do you have objections against me using the rocklinux.net design for creating a website for LVP that does not cause eye-cancer?
15:09 < clifford> blindcoder: be my guest.
15:10 < blindcoder> clifford: thanks :)
15:10 < daja77> i appreciate the idea of releasing early, it is sometimes hard to explain ppl why to use betas and rcs
15:11 < __mnemoc> we always can release 2.0.1, 2.0.2, etc.. :)
15:11 < rxr> jups
15:11 < daja77> btw do we have any wish for colors for our poster?
15:12 < __mnemoc> black ans white?
15:12 < blindcoder> daja77: gray-tones that look like a rock :)
15:13 < daja77> yeah thought of gray sth too, hope it doesn't look dull
15:13 < blindcoder> daja77: if it has a nice texture, then it won't :)
15:14 < __mnemoc> daja77: do you know someone who knows to draw? i love the idea of having a dwarf sculping a rock :(
15:14 < cchamilt> I should have a repo for keeping 2.1 stuff soon.  I think I have svn->tla figured out.
15:14 < daja77> __mnemoc: yes ppl fro clt spent some ressources to create posters for oss projects
15:15 < cchamilt> That should keep specific changes separate yet synced with svn
15:15 < __mnemoc> when do you plan to have it sync'ed? i really need source control here :(
15:16 < cchamilt> Well I am trying to pull in the early cvs as well to have a complete revision history.
15:16 < __mnemoc> daja77: do you like the 'picture' i described on that mail?
15:17 < rxr> __mnemoc: if you really need a branch you can get one
15:17 < __mnemoc> svn-braches increase the global rev number
15:17 < daja77> rxr: a branch would be really nice to get better on with rtai and multimedia stuff
15:17 < daja77> so what
15:17 < __mnemoc> i would make that overflow :
15:17 < rxr> __mnemoc: who cares about the global rev number ?
15:18 < cchamilt> global rev is the only real way to track changes in svn right now.
15:18 < rxr> the last time clifford and I spoke 2.1 will be in the sane SVN - so some seperate thing will not make much sense ...
15:18  * __mnemoc signs for a branch
15:19 < rxr> clifford: could you go thru the mails from me in your inbox - maybe especially the one requesting to relase the current submaster paper into the wild?
15:20 < puzzled> rxr: did you see my answer to your question which rs6k model it is and if it boots that cd?
15:21 < rxr> jups saw this - thanks
15:21 < puzzled> ok
15:21 < rxr> puzzled: do you also own a B50 ?
15:21 < puzzled> nope but internally they should be exactly the same as my 7043-150. supposedly the B50 is just the rackmount model of mine
15:22 < rxr> puzzled: could you try to burn your own AIX CD and take a look if it boots?
15:23 < cchamilt> clifford:Is there an original cvs available that is just before the svn change over?
15:23 < daja77> nice, just reactivated the contacts to xbox-linux from linuxtag, their debian maintainer now asks me about rock :)
15:23 < cytrinox> re
15:25 < blindcoder> hmm... branches might not be the best idea, maybe as a different project if that's possible?
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15:25 < daja77> blindcoder: why that's makes merging more complicated
15:26 < blindcoder> for example I develop the LVP independent of the main ROCK and tell rxr to sync every now and then...
15:26 < daja77> hmm would be nice if he ports rock to xbox
15:26 < blindcoder> daja77: simple: _users_ take the revision number as some kind of pseudo-version number
15:26 < cchamilt> Please no more ports till 2.0
15:27 < blindcoder> daja77: now if rock is at rev 2500 but the svn-rev-number is 3500 then users might think that a lot has changed even though maybe there are onle 5 changes concerning rock itself
15:27 < daja77> cchamilt: huh, i don't see what a xbox port would hurt
15:27 < blindcoder> daja77: nothing... AFTER 2.0.0
15:27 < cchamilt> it takes rxr time away from stablility
15:27 < clifford> cchamilt: I think i have a tar with it liggering around somewhere.
15:27 < cchamilt> we need all the rxr time we can get
15:27 < daja77> i don't expect patches this week
15:28 < daja77> when he likes to do a port i will not say to him, please wait 'til 2.0 to piss him off
15:28 < cchamilt> clifford:Great! When you get a chance could you dump it at a url for me?
15:28  * daja77 kept rtai some months outside the official without much problems
15:29 < rxr> daja77: xbox? hae no - not me.
15:29 < cchamilt> We just dont need to be putting more pressure on rxr to do extraneous things.
15:29 < daja77> rxr: huh?
15:29 < blindcoder> I also have around 80 kB patches without LVP in my local treee
15:30 < rxr> daja77: you think I'll do a xbox port ?
15:30 < blindcoder> which simply didn't get into ROCK or just aren't ready for that yet
15:30 < daja77> rxr: no
15:30 < daja77> rxr: the xbox debian maintainer maybe wants to do one
15:31 < cchamilt> New ports are still more work to be included.
15:31 < daja77> cchamilt: i don't see additional pressure for rxr if that guy keeps his patchset for a while just building some isos
15:32 < clifford> cchamilt: uploading ... please wait.
15:32 < rxr> I also do not see a problem with this - or applying a not intrusive patch ...
15:32 < cchamilt> Yes, it is fine if he does it now and the after 2.0 sends it in for syncing.
15:32 < daja77> sth like that
15:41 < __mnemoc> rxr: do you have a i2c patch for 2.4.23?
15:42 < blindcoder> is this a bug in bash, or what?
15:42 < blindcoder> $ alias ..="cd .."
15:42 < blindcoder> $ ls ..
15:43 < blindcoder> ls: cd: No such file or directory
15:43 < blindcoder> ..:
15:43 < blindcoder> [ content ]
15:43 < __mnemoc> d'oh
15:43  * daja77 would be happy if the number of rock patches for linux-2.4.23 would be decreased at a high rate
15:44 < __mnemoc> daja77: there is a rtai patch for 2.4.22 or 2.4.23 now?
15:44 < blindcoder> daja77: don't worry, I have a few more to add :P
15:45 < daja77> __mnemoc: there is no rtai patch for 2.4.23 yet, but the one for 2.4.22 does not apply due the rock changes
15:46 < blindcoder> brb
15:46 < blindcoder> or totally gone
15:46  * blindcoder going home
15:46 < daja77> cu blindcoder 
15:47 < __mnemoc> daja77: have you tryed applying rtai's first?
15:47 < __mnemoc> var_insert instead of var_append
15:47 < __mnemoc> cu blindcoder 
15:47 < daja77> nope
15:47 < rxr> __mnemoc: oh - I would need to port the i2c patch ...
15:48 < rxr> __mnemoc: should be trival ..
15:48 < __mnemoc> let's see :)
15:49 < rxr> should I or do you ?
15:51 < __mnemoc> i prefer you do
15:52 < __mnemoc> but i need to update if i want to stabilize mnemoc/* this week :)
15:54 < daja77> guess you gave the wrong answer ^^
15:54 < __mnemoc> :(
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15:55 < rxr> __mnemoc: ok - I'm currently doing kdeadmin and qcad stuff
15:55 < rxr> the ML and linux24 will be done there after ...
15:56 < __mnemoc> THANKS! :)
15:56 < __mnemoc> daja77: the true is never a wrong answer ;)
15:57 < daja77> ;-)
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16:00 < clifford> cchamilt: http://www.clifford.at/priv/rock-src-1.7-20030613.tar.bz2 and http://www.clifford.at/priv/rock-src-1.7-Attic-20030310.tar.bz2
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16:14 < rxr> damn libtool stuff
16:21 < rolla> yawn
16:22 < __mnemoc> hi rolla 
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16:22 < rolla> hallo __mnemoc 
16:23 < daja77> hi rolla
16:23 < rolla> re daja77 
16:24 < rxr> OMG - KDE ships an self-crafted old whatever libtool version ...
16:26 < daja77> O_o
16:29 < cchamilt> clifford: Thanks!
16:30 < __mnemoc> top segfaulted :-\
16:32 < cchamilt> Explains the whole .la->.so I guess.
16:38 < __mnemoc> mmm segfaulted again
16:39 < rxr> __mnemoc: in the past I saw top seg-fault on certain de_DE@EURO or so locales
16:40 < rxr> __mnemoc: what does gdb top core
16:40 < rxr> bt
16:40 < rxr> say ?
16:40 < __mnemoc> no core, now runing inside gdb
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16:45 < rxr> cchamilt: have you tried a build without out /lib/*.a -> /usr/lib automatic ?
16:58  * blindcoder back
17:00 < daja77> for those who are interested http://archiv.tu-chemnitz.de/cgi-monarch/search/direct.pl?Jahr=2003&Nummer=0140
17:00 < daja77> the slides of the fedora talk i attended some weeks ago (german only sorry)
17:05 < __mnemoc> i'm getting used to this kind of treacherous discrimination :( /me must learn german
17:05 < daja77> can't help it ppl here tend to speak german :)
17:06 < __mnemoc> bad habit you have :-\
17:06 < daja77> i know :(
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17:20 < cchamilt> rxr:no
17:21 < cchamilt> rxr:I will if you want I am doing a ref build for kerberos fixing now,
17:23 < cchamilt> rxr:I moved my music, etc. onto my pvr so my raid has plenty of space for builds.  I can start the build tomorrow.
17:24 < rxr> cchamilt: no it is not that urgent
17:25 < cchamilt> ok, but i will try it anyway.  My ref build is hung up till I make fixes,
17:27 < cchamilt> ok, i am goin to sleep. n8.
17:31 < rxr> blindcoder: http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/index.php?id=98&backPID=2&tt_news=23
17:32 < rxr> a news entry for you - correctoins or improvements welcome
17:32 < blindcoder> rxr: WEE :)
17:32 < daja77> why is there a big gap between heading and the frame
17:33 < blindcoder> okay, I'm now away to install my WLAN AP-Router :)
17:34 < rxr> daja77: I do not know what you see on your side - but this the ROCK Linux default typo3 layout - I did no manual formating ...
17:35 < daja77> i know, i saw this on other sub pages too
17:35 < daja77> want a screenshot?
17:35 < rxr> daja77: sure - URL ?
17:36 < daja77> mom taking atm
17:36 < __mnemoc> it's the default, and small content valigned center makes that gap :(
17:37 < __mnemoc> you can fix it with a cute screenshot of LVP ;)
17:37 < __mnemoc> desc_SRC doesn't handle patches... :(
17:38 < daja77> http://lospalmos.homelinux.net/rocklvp-shot.png
17:39 < rxr> __mnemoc: regarding the bdb cleanup
17:39 < rxr> was this tested with the automated update checker?
17:39 < rxr> -[CV-URL] http://www.sleepycat.com/update/                                        +[CV-URL] http://www.sleepycat.com/download/patchlogs.shtml
17:40 < __mnemoc> yep, i use it
17:41 < __mnemoc> update/ redirects to download/patchlogs but the script doesn't understand that
17:41 < rxr> oki
17:50 < rxr> __mnemoc: the lprng update
17:50 < rxr> ah - forget ...
17:51 < __mnemoc> just compiled, and flist checked, not used
17:51 < rxr> nah - me was blinded - all ok ...
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17:52 < rxr> __mnemoc: what was clifford comment to the gcc config unification ?
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17:53 < __mnemoc> he said 'when available', then i add the grep on parse-config
17:57 < blindcoder> looks good so far
17:57 < __mnemoc> brb
18:00 < rxr> __mnemoc: the more intrusive ones will be reviewed later
18:01 < daja77> rxr: the ypbind patch is non intrusive btw :)
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18:05 < rxr> daja77: this is why it got applied ...
18:06 < daja77> oh nice
18:06 < daja77> i should fetch my mail more often when you are around ^^
18:07 < rxr> daja77: you should modify the packages config so the .init file is installed actually ...
18:07 < __mnemoc> lol
18:07 < daja77> ahem ok will fix that later
18:07  * daja77 shot too quickly i guess
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18:08 < blindcoder> daja77: guess I won't use dvdrecord
18:09 < daja77> ic
18:09 < daja77> i really hoped there would be a free alternative
18:09 < blindcoder> daja77: first: it says my recorder is empty (which it isn't)
18:09 < blindcoder> daja77: second: on a second try it froze my system
18:09 < daja77> urgs
18:10 < daja77> guess we are not allowed to package the working tool?
18:10 < blindcoder> I think we are, but without a valid license key it's most useless
18:11 < daja77> license key wtf
18:11 < blindcoder> daja77: it's free for personal and educational use
18:11 < daja77> this is kindergarten
18:11 < blindcoder> daja77: so I don't know if giving out ROCK DVDs falls within this
18:11 < blindcoder> daja77: no, it's making a living.
18:12 < daja77> really
18:12 < daja77> rock is educational ^^
18:12 < __mnemoc> "Living with ROCK"
18:13 < blindcoder> hmm
18:13 < blindcoder> hmm...
18:14 < blindcoder> seems like it works now...
18:14 < blindcoder> nope, doesn't
18:14 < daja77> hm?
18:15 < blindcoder> it tried writing but then failed
18:15 < blindcoder> an; other ideas?
18:15 < daja77> ah k. was confused by your messages
18:17 < rxr> blindcoder: log the traffic caused by the commerical shit tool and compare it with the free alternative
18:18 < rxr> and fix possible variations ...
18:19 < blindcoder> I found another thing, will try it
18:19 < daja77> growisofs
18:20 < daja77> http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
18:20 < daja77> hth
18:23 < daja77> As for cdrecord, DVD+RW/+R recording strategy is somewhat different from the one supported by cdrecord, so it simply doesn't work (nor does dvdrecord, despite what RedHat 7.3 Release Notes say). <- rofl
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18:27 < blindcoder> hmm.. htat patch needs cdrtools 2.01
18:27 < blindcoder> wtf is those release?
18:28 < blindcoder> hmm...
18:28  * daja77 hopes you don't ask me
18:28 < blindcoder> lets try that one
18:29 < blindcoder> okay, that patch applies
18:38 < __mnemoc> what the command to turn a less into a tail -f ?
18:39 < daja77> s/less/tail -f/ :)
18:39 < __mnemoc> :)
18:40 < __mnemoc> F ;) i was trying ^F
18:50 < rxr> does someone know some python stuff ?
18:51 < daja77> which
18:54  * daja77 once played with python ...
18:56  * daja77 off for dinner bbl
18:56 < netrunner> nabend
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19:02 < rxr> hi netrunner 
19:02 < netrunner> hi rxr
19:03 < netrunner> rxr: shall I send a patch for scheduling rtsp before mplayer, have you already done it or will you just do it manually?
19:05 < blindcoder> *LOOOOOL*
19:05 < blindcoder> cdrecord with the cdrtools-2.01a18-ossdvd.patch works with my DVD-R writer, but only in CD-Mode, not in DVD-Mode :D
19:07 < blindcoder> so it now pretends to be writing a CD with speed 7, displays it as speed 9.5 and is actually writing a DVD-R with speed 2 :)
19:07 < blindcoder> We'd just have to upgrade to an alpha version of cdrtools and apply a 25kB patch >_<
19:08 < blindcoder> bbl
19:10 < rxr> netrunner: done
19:11 < netrunner> rxr: thx :)
19:14 < netrunner> blindcoder: is that the dvd version of cdrecord? I think one needs a license for dvds, no?
19:25 < rxr> netrunner: read scrollback for some more comments on that topic ...
19:29 < blindcoder> netrunner: it's a patch against an alpha version of cdrecord to make it compatible at least with my writer
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20:03 < daja77> re
20:07 < blindcoder> re daja77 
20:07 < __mnemoc> re daja77 
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20:13 < __mnemoc> after last commits... # du -sh ~amery/patches/
20:13 < __mnemoc> 424K    /home/amery/patches
20:14 < __mnemoc> (generated patchset)
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20:18 < A-Tui> hi all
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20:22 < __mnemoc> hi A-Tui 
20:22 < __mnemoc> hi ChristianCute
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20:23 < A-Tui> hi mnemoc
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22:50 < MadTux> moin
22:50 < daja77> wb MadTux 
22:50 < nookie> MadTux! 
22:51 < MadTux> daja77: heard your speak, quite nice, though i only undertood parts of it :)
22:51 < MadTux> n00kie hallo mein freund
22:51 < daja77> hehe ok
22:51 < nookie> :)
22:51 < nookie> How are you mike?
22:51 < daja77> have you heard nfilus as well?
22:51 < MadTux> n00kie, great and you ?
22:52 < MadTux> daja77: no, will do in a moment :)
22:52 < daja77> hehe
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22:56 < daja77> jsaw: !
22:56 < jsaw> hi all!
22:56 < jsaw> hi daja77
22:57 < jsaw> is our 2.4 kernel brk() safe?
22:57 < netrunner> http://daufaq.de *lol*
22:58 < daja77> hehe
22:58 < jsaw> dito
22:59 < mnemoc> jsaw: no, it's not
22:59 < jsaw> how long will it take...
22:59 < mnemoc> rxr will update to 2.4.23 asap
23:01 < jsaw> (it was rhethorical question, just to remind rxr)
23:01 < daja77> he is aware of that problem :)
23:02  * netrunner tries just to update the kernel ... build runs but will probably not see me before next morning.
23:02 < jsaw> I know, still _I'd prefer_ a patch for that than other updates of the svn tree...
23:03 < nookie> MadTux: I'm fine too
23:03 < nookie> thank you :)
23:03 < MadTux> n00kie nice lag :)
23:05 < nookie> hehe :)
23:05 < nookie> I'm on writing something for school
23:05  * jsaw does a fresh install of rev1896 now... bbl
23:07 < MadTux> n00kie enjoy
23:07 < MadTux> jsaw: nice
23:13 < netrunner> 05-devfs-not-exp.patch fails to apply :/
23:13 < netrunner> I am not doing that today, n8 guys
23:15 < mnemoc> netrunner: the hard part is the i2c patch
23:16 < nookie> MadTux: thank you :)
23:16 < nookie> Well, good night :)
23:16 < nookie> sleep well guys
23:16 < daja77> n8 nookie 
23:16 < MadTux> oyasumi nasai n00kie
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23:32 < MadTux> ChristianQt: !
23:32 < ChristianQt> hiiiiiiiiiiii
23:36 < esden> hi all
23:36 < daja77> hi esden!
23:36 < esden> hi daja77 
23:37 < esden> you know what I love mac and mac OS X!
23:37 < esden> *GG*
23:37 < daja77> oh no _they_ got him
23:37 < esden> yes they got me
23:37 < esden> I got really insane
23:37 < esden> I really want such a box ...
23:38  * daja77 calls a doctor
23:38  * esden currently sitting in front of that beautifull G5 dual box
23:38 < esden> I can not stand not having such a box
23:38 < esden> it is simply working
23:39 < esden> looks beautifull and is so easy to use ... _and_ one can code on it in nice unix environment 
23:39 < esden> that is an explosive mixture
23:41 < esden> daja77: lost his voice ;)
23:41 < daja77> yeah sort of
23:42 < esden> really? o_O
23:42 < esden> I was not thinking that you will shock you so hard with that testimony ;)
23:43 < daja77> well i have dealt with mac fanatics before ^^
23:44 < esden> ohh ... is it really so bad?
23:44 < MadTux> hello esden
23:44 < esden> hi MadTux! *hug*
23:44 < daja77> esden: in the long run, yes
23:45 < esden> daja77: what is so bad about them?
23:45 < esden> daja77: be more precise please ...
23:45 < MadTux> esden: :)
23:45 < esden> daja77: I want to know what made you think so negative about people liking mac ...
23:45  * esden likes them ... not yet a fanatic ...
23:46 < daja77> the dumbest user i've ever met were mac users, no win luser reached such a level
23:46 < daja77> users
23:46  * esden is fighting with linux on some laptops ... getting everything working is a mess ... that is why I feel more and more attracted to mac 
23:47 < esden> daja77: ohh ... oups ... interesting ... 
23:47  * esden is the dumbest sbtw ;)
23:47 < daja77> hehehe
23:48 < daja77> yes drivers things sucks, but think twice, how nice macosx works with pc hw?
23:48  * esden -> mac user -> even more dumb -> dumber then the most dumb people on the world ;)
23:48 < esden> daja77: that is why one has to use mac laptops with mac os X
23:48 < esden> that really works
23:48 < esden> no messing around
23:49 < daja77> esden: you want to discuss this with rxr
23:49 < esden> o_O
23:49 < daja77> that's the old apple trick sell dedicated hw, write the drivers sell it and shine
23:50 < esden> daja77: he is using linux on his mac ... no wonder that he has to mess around ;)
23:50 < esden> daja77: sure ... and what is so wrong about it?
23:50 < daja77> he want to have linux on his mac
23:50 < esden> daja77: I will probably also have linux on my mac as second boot
23:51 < esden> but only when I have time to hack around with it ...
23:51 < esden> till then I want a working system ...
23:51 < daja77> that reminds me of buying a wlan card before 20c3
23:51 < esden> I really have no time for messing around with things ...
23:51 < daja77> me neither on my hw, rock just works ^^
23:52 < esden> daja77: I will probably not get there ...
23:52 < daja77> why
23:52 < esden> ofyi
23:52 < esden> I had really hard months behind me ...
23:52 < esden> I need to really chill out ...
23:52 < esden> and I have still a mile long todo-list
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23:53 < esden> I have to read something about 2000 pages full of specs and knowledge
23:53 < daja77> hmm ic
23:53 < esden> I hope you can understand that 
23:53 < daja77> chill out would be nice for me too, but i promised too many ppl to come ^^
23:53 < esden> re MadTux 
23:53 < MadTux> re :)
23:53 < daja77> esden: sure
23:54 < esden> daja77: but I will think about it some more times before I decide finally
23:54 < daja77> good, good
23:54 < esden> perhups I will change my mind ... who knows
23:54 < daja77> we'll see
23:54 < esden> but currently I am in no mood for 20c3
23:55 < daja77> can't tell in what mood i am :)
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