--- Log opened Fre Dez 05 00:00:02 2003
00:00 < jsaw> rxr: DONE
00:04 < mnemoc> .fix files are against rl standard :|
00:13 < rxr> ok - me away
00:13 < rxr> I continue with patch merging tomorrow - errr today ...
00:13 < rxr> jsaw: maybe you could fix the one that did not apply
00:14 < rxr> and please do not mix patches with different patchlevel in the future
00:14 < rxr> valentin and I will do a full ROCK Net module during the weekend ...
00:14 < rxr> cu all
00:14 < mnemoc> cu rxr
00:17 < daja77> cu rxr
00:17 < jsaw> what means different patchlevels?
00:18 < jsaw> and why not use .fix ?
00:21 < mnemoc> -p0
00:21 < mnemoc> vs. -p1
00:23 < mnemoc> the rock 'standard' said .patch for autoapply, .diff for other patches
00:24 < mnemoc> xine-ui-0.9.22-fixdoc/doc/README_cs and ./doc/README_cs are -p1
00:24 < mnemoc> doc/README_cs is -p0
00:28 < jsaw> I simply have to much to do. I think I'll concentrate on rockplug after this is thru.
00:29 < daja77> n8 you all
00:29 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
00:31 < mnemoc> jsaw: how much time will take to rockplug bypass hwscan completely?
00:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: it does already. I'm still waiting for rxr to finish isapnp detection. Then I have to speed up the process.
00:33 < mnemoc> great :)
00:34 < jsaw> even my joystick is correctly detected (Task 
00:34 < jsaw> #181)
00:34 < mnemoc> :o
00:34 < jsaw> the only problem is: it's a bit slow.
00:41 < mnemoc> but will be 100% operative for 2.0? isn't it?
00:41 < mnemoc> slow but operative
00:41 < jsaw> yep.
00:42 < mnemoc> cool.. i'll update by targets ;)
00:43 < jsaw> get it from http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rockplug/trunk/
00:45 < mnemoc> question: plug/unplug the network cable does generate 'hotplug events'?
00:46 < jsaw> nope.
00:46 < mnemoc> :(
00:46 < jsaw> there are two projects (sorry forgot the name), that detect cabling, that should be integrated into rocknet sooner or later.
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01:52 < echalon> hey im new to rocklinux can neone answer a few questions?
01:53 < mnemoc> ask
01:53 < echalon> i was looking at various ways to make a custom distro such as linux from scratch, is this a similar idea?
01:54 < mnemoc> similar but 'mantained', cross platform, and the result is a cd
01:55 < echalon> once u have the basic system installed, its source from there on right? i.e. no "package manager"
01:55 < mnemoc> nope, we have package managment
01:55 < mnemoc> and binary pacakges (.gem)
01:55 < echalon> o
01:55 < mnemoc> the difference with .rpm is that you build them
01:56 < mnemoc> .gem are cleanly updateables
01:56 < echalon> what are some of the packages available?
01:57 < mnemoc> .gem are not publicly downloadeables, you build them from source using rock's toolkit and you can distribute them to your boxes
01:58 < mnemoc> you build rock in one machine to run on another
01:58 < echalon> nice
01:58 < mnemoc> it's a distribution building kit ;)
01:59 < mnemoc> not META s.th nor a book with tips nor a heavily dependant distro and you won't need to wait 2 weeks for a security update =)
01:59 < echalon> : sounds exactly like what i need
02:00 < mnemoc> take a look to the handbook available from our homepage
02:00 < echalon> im in one of my depressions in not finding a distro thats right for me, so i just said might as well build my own so i cant complain :-P
02:00 < echalon> reading now thx
02:01 < mnemoc> we all suffer that before rock :)
02:01 < echalon> should i burn all 3 cds?
02:01 < mnemoc> nope
02:02 < mnemoc> that's an example of what you can build using rock
02:02 < mnemoc> that 'target' is full desktop oriented
02:03 < echalon> o is that the 3 cd set oops
02:03 < mnemoc> you can build a clean rcok subdistro from any devfs based linux
02:03 < mnemoc> without downloading any previous iso
02:04 < mnemoc> of course you can start from a ROCK Desktop 
02:04 < mnemoc> but that's not mandatory
02:04 < echalon> im not really experienced in all this source building, should i try making a clean system/
02:06 < mnemoc> currently to get a clean system you have to build it :( currently we don't have public minimal isos :(
02:07 < mnemoc> but to build it you don't have to build sources.... the toolkit do it for you
02:08 < mnemoc> you 'only' have to prepare (devfs) your system for building rocks
02:08 < mnemoc> well... devfs, curl and subversion
02:08 < echalon> is that covered in the handbook?
02:08 < mnemoc> iirc yes
02:18 < echalon> if i just install the "generic" system w/o building how much freedom is there to expand?
02:19 < mnemoc> the installer will let you choose what to install almost as any normal distro
02:19 < mnemoc> full freedom
02:20 < mnemoc> after installation you can use 'mine' tool for adding or removing pacakges from the cd
02:24 < esden>  /join #fedora-devel
02:24 < esden> ups ;)
02:24 < mnemoc> aargh
02:24 < esden> hi all
02:24 < mnemoc> hi esden-PR
02:25 < esden> I was really not willing to type that here
02:25 < esden> I only wanted to go there and check what and if they are saying anything usable ...
02:25 < mnemoc> spy?
02:26  * esden saying nothing ;)
02:26 < mnemoc> =)
02:26 < echalon> mnemoc: lol i was confused till i realized there was a part ii (building) 
02:26 < mnemoc> there is always a part ii :)
02:27  * esden getting another soup 
02:27 < echalon> is there any easy way to tell if i have devfs support
02:28 < esden> yes mkdir devfs ; mount -t devfs none devfs
02:28 < esden> if it works then you have devfs ;)
02:28 < MadTux> cat /proc/filesystems | grep devfs
02:28 < esden> or that way
02:28 < MadTux> :)
02:29 < MadTux> esden: how are you my brother?
02:29 < esden> very well ...
02:29 < MadTux> glad to hear :)
02:29 < esden> exploring fedora ;)
02:29 < MadTux> echalon: so you have support? :)
02:29 < MadTux> esden: nice, how is it working so far?
02:30 < echalon> madtux: apparently not what area of kernel is it?
02:31 < esden> very nice ...
02:31 < esden> rocklinux could learn a lot from it 
02:31 < esden> at least drock
02:32 < esden> or the drock for dummies
02:32 < MadTux> echalon: well in the filesystems are...
02:32 < MadTux> esden: the bootspash detailed screen is quite nice :)
02:32 < mnemoc> any nice image to splash?
02:33 < MadTux> esden: and guess yeah we could learn a bit from it, at least is good to see what others are offering and see if something could be usefull to apply 
02:33 < MadTux> mnemoc: i remeber there was a software to conver bmp's to be usable on splash, don't remeber the name though..
02:34 < esden> we could learn about usability
02:34 < mnemoc> usawhat??
02:34 < echalon> madtux: the only thing i dont have already in is "/dev file system support (EXPERIMENTAL)" is that it?
02:34 < MadTux> esden: yes.
02:34 < MadTux> echalon: yups
02:34 < esden> for sure also about quality assurance ... I think .. but about that I am not yet sure
02:34 < echalon> madtux: is there a more recent kernel with it better implemented or is experimental the way to go
02:34 < MadTux> echalon: what kernel version are you compiling?
02:35 < echalon> madtux: 2.4.22 but that was for specific reasons should i go to 2.4.23?
02:35 < mnemoc> echalon: devfs will be always experimental
02:35 < MadTux> echalon: experimental is the thing, make sure you also have installed devfsd on your system
02:35 < echalon> madtux: that would be distro specfic not kernel?
02:36 < MadTux> echalon: yups, just make sure you have devfsd installed, else get it if you intend to use devfs
02:36 < mnemoc> echalon: start with subversion and curl, then you can use rcok to build you devfsd
02:36 < echalon> mnemoc: that went straight over my head sry
02:36 < MadTux> echalon: you just svn client, no need to build the whole server thing :)
02:37 < MadTux> echalon: one question what linux distro are you going to use for building rock?
02:37 < echalon> madtux: its called collegelinux its slack 8.1 based
02:37 < mnemoc> MadTux: do u know the url for the static client only svn?
02:37 < echalon> madtux: fully comptaible
02:38 < MadTux> mnemoc: just get the regular subversion source, you can build client from it :)
02:38 < mnemoc> i was asking FOR echalon 
02:38 < MadTux> echalon: sounds ok, btw url for this collegeinux distro?
02:38 < MadTux> mnemoc: ah :)
02:38 < echalon> college.ch/linux
02:38 < MadTux> switzerland?
02:39 < echalon> madtux: yeah, funded by a swiss college thus the naem
02:39 < MadTux> cool :) checking out
02:39 < MadTux> brb custommer
02:39 < echalon> 2.5 nearly coming out so id wait :-P
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02:45 < echalon> mnemoc: just to avoid any probs building with this collegelinux would it be easier just to install a precompiled rock to build with?
02:45 < mnemoc> yep
02:46 < mnemoc> using a rock for building rock is the easier way
02:46 < echalon> mnemoc: generic i guess?
02:46 < mnemoc> generic includes almost everything but you can filter at install time
02:47 < jsaw> gn8 all
02:48 < mnemoc> n8 jsaw 
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02:52 < MadTux> echalon: maybe you want to try desktop if you just to build your own rock
02:52 < MadTux> or even minimal :)
02:53 < mnemoc> MadTux: will you share a minimal with him?
02:53 < echalon> madtux: actually it'll be nice to see some of the possiblities neway
02:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: i will start a fresh minimal build tomorrow mourning, currently fetching sources
02:54 < echalon> madtux: just in case it seems i dont like ti
02:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: no problem to share it with you once its ready
02:54 < MadTux> echalon: got you.
02:54 < mnemoc> MadTux: thanks :)
02:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: anytime
02:56 < echalon> well i g2g thx for all ur help im sure ill be coming back to bother u later....
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03:33 < jani> hello all.  I'm in the middle of building rock, and one of the packages failed, it was auctex, and I can't seem to find the logs for why it failed, they're not under rock-src-2.0.0-rc2/src.auctex.0923409.20934092.982398 (not the actual numbers on my machine) cos var isn't linked to anything... 
03:35 < jani> how do i go about finding the logs, or alternatively get the build script to try rebuilding that package? the build is still going, so I'll wait until it's finished.
03:37 < mnemoc> src.aucte3345734783436/R.src/ERROR_LOG
03:37 < mnemoc> the whole pack of logs are at build/$builddir/root/var/adm/logs
03:38 < jani> mnemoc, yeah, i'd found the build log...
03:38 < mnemoc> if you remove 5-auctex.err file from there the package will try to build again
03:39 < jani> it will build it again when I re-run the Build-Target script?
03:39 < jani> what is the meaning of the following error:
03:39 < jani> !! Symbol's function definition is void ((defadvice))
03:39 < mnemoc> nop, if you hand remove .err it will rebuild it just after current build-pkg ends
03:39 < mnemoc> jani: no idea o_O
03:40 < mnemoc> how do u got that?
03:40 < jani> that's the only error i find in the ERROR_LOG for auctex... it's repeated numerous times for different functions, and then at the end it says
03:41 < mnemoc> TeX error
03:41 < jani> make: *** [lisp] Error 1
03:41 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/regtest/reference/2003-11-12/5-auctex.err
03:42 < mnemoc> do you need that pacakge? 
03:42 < jani> no, i don't need the package, but that's exactly what my error log says (except for being built for athlonxp)
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03:43 < jani> mnemoc, so i can ignore it and build my cd's without worrying about the missing package?
03:43 < mnemoc> that's option 1
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03:44 < mnemoc> option 2 is go deeper into auctex-11.13/auc-old.el, patch it, build it and send us your patch to include it :)
03:44 < jani> not yet capable of tracing the error myself or fixing it (don't yet have a fully working rock set up, as this is my first build)
03:45 < mnemoc> that error is TeX related, if you know tex you can fix it ;)
03:45 < jani> i don't know tex, but I have heard of it before :)
03:45 < mnemoc> if not you will have to wait until somebody else do it
03:46 < mnemoc> so skip it ;)
03:46 < mnemoc> the important error are on stages <= 3
03:47 < mnemoc> errors after that can slmost always being skiped
03:48 < jani> ok.  do you know offhand if there's any way to find out what order the desktop packages are being built in? I wouldn't mind working out how far my machine has gone, and roughly how much time there is left
03:48 < mnemoc> config/$config/packages
03:49 < mnemoc> that's the order and stages of every package
03:49 < mnemoc> you are building the lines starting with X
03:52 < jani> cool, thanks, found it, ... hmm... pages and pages to go :)
03:52 < mnemoc> good luck ;(
03:52 < mnemoc> mmm
03:52 < mnemoc> ;) <--- fix
03:52 < jani> yeah... 500 packages to go roughly
03:53 < jani> well, minus the ones with 0's in front of them
03:53 < mnemoc> grep -e "^X" config/$config/packages | less
03:53 < mnemoc> replace less with 'wc -l' to count them
03:54 < jani> thanks.  I'll have to learn those fancy ways to use grep one of these days 
03:55 < mnemoc> grep is your friend :)
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06:09 < owl> moin
06:42 < MadTux> hi owlita
06:45 < owl> hi MadTux 
06:46 < owl> how are you?
06:46 < MadTux> great and you dear?
06:47 < MadTux> owl: still in pain?
06:47 < owl> not so good. thx
06:47 < owl> yeah. will take about 2 - 3 weeks - at least
06:47 < MadTux> oh I'm sorry to hear that
06:47 < MadTux> owl:  hwo is true doing?
06:48 < owl> thx. he's well. can walk much better than me *g*
06:48 < owl> the funny thing is: first he had to use crutches, now i have to use them :p
06:51 < MadTux> owl: send him my greetings
06:52 < owl> oki. thx. i will do
06:58 < owl> .oO(christmas-shopping done *g*)
06:58 < MadTux> owl: got my gift?
06:58 < MadTux> :)
06:58 < owl> hehe. nah :p
06:58 < MadTux> :(((
06:58 < owl> poor boy :p
06:59 < MadTux> =*(
06:59 < owl> <- got true's presents... - still have to wait till it's delivered...
07:08 < nookie_> morning :)
07:09 < nookie_> Hi MadTux :)
07:09 < nookie_> Hi owl :)
07:09 < owl> hi nookie_ 
07:11 < MadTux> hi little n00kie
07:11 < nookie_> :)
07:11 < nookie_> gnah, school now
07:20 < owl> hehe. enjoy it *vbeg*
07:21 < MadTux> owl: you are evil 
07:21 < owl> hihi. yeah
07:22 < MadTux> i like that :)
07:22 < owl> MadTux: but - i guess i'm allowed to be. i'm at work the first time since tuesday again... 
07:22 < owl> y? ;)
07:22 < MadTux> i see
07:22 < MadTux> owl: guess i am the same way :)
07:22 < owl> hehe ;)
07:44 < blindcoder> moin
07:46 < owl> hi blindy
07:47 < MadTux> hi blindy
07:51 < blindcoder> hmm... can't anyone do some athlon builds?
07:52 < blindcoder> I might even be able to do _all_ Pentium builds here
07:54 < MadTux> blindcoder: /me is making athlon builds...
07:54 < blindcoder> MadTux: when will you arrive at 20C3?
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08:02 < blindcoder> back
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08:02 < MadTux> blindcoder: so if i things really work to get there i can take isos for athlon and athlon xp
08:03 < blindcoder> MadTux: that would be great
08:03 < blindcoder> which ones exactly?
08:04 < MadTux> blindcoder: then again i fighting to get space to fly
08:04 < MadTux> blindy all required
08:04 < blindcoder> MadTux: no passenger-flight availabe?
08:05 < MadTux> no seats on passenger flights available yet :(
08:05 < blindcoder> urgs
08:05 < MadTux> blindcoder: heard the bad news today.. still thet asked to keep calling
08:05 < MadTux> we will see 
08:05  * MadTux really wants to be at 20c3
08:05  * blindcoder really want MadTux to be at 20C3
08:06 < MadTux> blindcoder: for the isos?
08:06 < blindcoder> no, for you
08:07 < MadTux> danke :)
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08:14 < blindcoder> cool, finally the new dns-name for lvp works :)
08:14 < blindcoder> still something to do about the content, though :)
08:21 < blindcoder> http://lvp.crash-override.net/ <--- comments please
08:21  * MadTux shutting down, be back in some hours
08:21 < blindcoder> (other than some dead links in the documentation section :)
08:21 < blindcoder> MadTux: good night!
08:22 < MadTux> blindcoder: not sleep, reinstalling server
08:22 < MadTux> blindcoder: :)
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09:11 < blindcoder> daja77: I didn't mail schily, but cdrecord-proDVD is still the only DVD-Recording software that works here
09:11 < blindcoder> daja77: DVDs written with the patched cdrecord are unmountable and unusable
10:07 < blindcoder> *yawn*
10:12 < jani> kdelibs31 just took an hour and 20 minutes to compile, and i've still got a few hundred packages to go :(
10:12 < blindcoder> yes, that's normal
10:12 < blindcoder> there are a few more kde-packages that take an hour or so to build
10:13 < jani> yeah, but i'm impatient to install it and play with it
10:13 < blindcoder> I know how you feel :)
10:13 < jani> is it very difficult to create build scripts for stuff that isn't already in rock
10:13 < jani> ?
10:14 < jani> maybe i could go read the documentation while i'm waiting
10:14 < blindcoder> no, that's actually quite easy
10:14 < jani> the handbook seems to skim over that sort of stuff.  
10:14 < blindcoder> if the package uses autoconf and automake you usually don't have to write a conf file at all
10:15 < blindcoder> wtf is "Wiener Melange"?
10:21 < jani> something to do with sausages probably... isn't wiener a german sausage?
10:22 < blindcoder> yes, but I doubt that it's that... I found that tag on a coffee-machine here but wasn't brave enough to try it :)
10:24 < blindcoder> and the only things I found about that is some music things, some news about an austrian TV-Channel and a some theaters
10:32 < blindcoder> okay, it's hot chocolate with coffee
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10:47 < kleinesArschloch> this stupid, dammned, grey-hair-wearing bitch!!! i HATE her!!!
10:48 < blindcoder> I see
10:49 < kleinesArschloch> hah. enough money for razor blades
10:49 < kleinesArschloch> GOOOOOOOD
10:51 < blindcoder> bye
10:51 < kleinesArschloch> bye?
10:53 < blindcoder> well, you go and buy razorblades now, don't you?
10:54 < kleinesArschloch> i do. if my magen is in mood for moving. and i can stop the tears almost falling down.
10:54 < blindcoder> can you bring me a set of Mach 3 blades? I'm running low on them
10:54 < kleinesArschloch> no
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10:55 < MadTux> re
10:55 < kleinesArschloch> so. now i go and get my razor blades.
10:55 < kleinesArschloch> bye
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10:57 < blindcoder> wb MadTux 
10:57 < blindcoder> guess we won't see her at 20C3 then :)
10:58  * blindcoder gone, last test with red crap
10:59 < MadTux> what red crap?
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11:11 < sten> how engrained is devfs in Rock 2.0?  I heard that devfs is depreciated for Linux-2.6
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11:16 < kleinesArschloch> re
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11:23 < daja77> O_o
11:23 < kleinesArschloch> daja77: ?
11:24 < daja77> oh you are still here
11:24 < daja77> moin owl
11:24 < daja77> blindcoder: you said you mailed him for a key and for asking him if you are allowed to distribute dvds at 20c3
11:24 < MadTux> hi daja77
11:24 < MadTux> owly
11:25 < daja77> hi MadTux 
11:25 < kleinesArschloch> still here? why still? i just went to the apotheke and got some mullbinden and to the schlecker and got some razor blades
11:25 < kleinesArschloch> MadTuxy?
11:25 < daja77> you work-a-holic
11:25 < MadTux> owly just greeting you 
11:25  * daja77 me wondering if owl wants to shave
11:25 < kleinesArschloch> ah so. k. 
11:25 < MadTux> who is a work-a-holic?
11:25 < daja77> you
11:25 < MadTux> ich?!?!
11:26 < daja77> yes
11:26 < MadTux> how could you say something like that? What proves do you have?
11:26 < kleinesArschloch> daja77: guess you can think it
11:26 < netrunne1> moin
11:26 < daja77> MadTux: backlog ^^
11:26 -!- You're now known as netrunner
11:26 < daja77> moin netrunner 
11:27 < MadTux> hi netrunner
11:27 < MadTux> daja77: welll :)... i though you liked me to hang around here
11:27 < kleinesArschloch> hi netrunner 
11:27  * netrunner still wonders why linux24 tries to apply  /usr/src/rock-linux/download/base/linux24//usr/src/rock-linux/download/base/linux24/avm/bootsplash/bootsplash-3.0.7-2.4.22-vanilla.diff
11:29 < netrunner> these log entries ...
11:29 < netrunner> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:29 < netrunner> rev 946:  rene | 2003-07-31 14:18:02 +0200 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003) | 2 lines
11:29 < netrunner> hm
11:29 < netrunner> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:29 < netrunner> rev 943:  rene | 2003-07-31 14:13:41 +0200 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003) | 2 lines
11:29 < netrunner> oO
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11:33 < sten> how engrained is devfs in Rock 2.0?  I heard that devfs is depreciated for Linux-2.6
11:33 < netrunner> sten: in 2.0 devfs is a must, in 2.1 you can choose
11:36 < sten> netrunner: ah, that's right, linux-2.6 still provides a [depreciated] devfs.  Do you think 2.0-final will be ready by Christmas?
11:38 < blindcoder> grub sucks
11:38 < MadTux> blindy?
11:38 < blindcoder> pxegrub expects to find the path to its menu.lst in dhcp-option 150
11:38 < blindcoder> but it doesn't request it!
11:38 < blindcoder> so you have to tell the dhcp-daemon to send that value no matter if it was requested or not!
11:38 < MadTux> 2.0-final for xmast ... it would be the greatest gift for xmast.. but i doub it will happen
11:39 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
11:39 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi, sbtw
11:39 < MadTux> blindcoder: mm..
11:39 < blindcoder> daja77: I intend to, but haven't done so yet
11:40 < daja77> ic
11:40 < blindcoder> daja77: maybe I even won't do it since the license states non-commericial use
11:40 < blindcoder> daja77: and since I give it away for the price of a DVD-R it would fall into the scope of the license
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11:42 < blindcoder> IANAL, so I have to interpret the license as I see fit
11:43 < daja77> well if he doesn't sue you, this will not be a problem, jsut thought you need a license key to burn without limitations
11:45 < blindcoder> there is a free license key availabe, just a moment
11:45 < netrunner> sten: I hope ;)
11:46 < kleinesArschloch> someone knows the german "ausbildungsgesetze"?
11:47 < sten> Out of curiousity, is KDE31 compiled against QT-3.1 [as oppposed to 3.2] for stability reasons?
11:47 < blindcoder> daja77: "private non-commercial use"
11:47 < netrunner> hm, $archdir should point to the download/ ? why does it point to download/base/linux24 during a kernel build?
11:48 < blindcoder> netrunner: because that's where this poackages sources are?
11:49 < netrunner> blindcoder: so how should I point to my patch? :/
11:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: $archdir/mypatch.patch
11:50 < blindcoder> netrunner: or what do you mean?
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11:50 < blindcoder> netrunner: I used var_append patchfiles " " "${base}/package/blindcoder/lpp/kernel.patch"
11:50 < blindcoder> I think that's what you meant
11:51 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, I had that before. I wonder why I changed that 
11:55 < blindcoder> brb
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12:42  * netrunner building 2.4.23 with bootsplash. 
12:43 < netrunner> ROCK is the first to produce 2.4.23 bootsplash kernel :)
12:43 < MadTux> netrunner: :)
12:46 < netrunner> package build finished ;)
12:46  * blindcoder back
12:47 < MadTux> netrunner: _nice_
12:47 < blindcoder> netrunner: so, can you take the three Athlon MP builds?
12:50 < netrunner> blindcoder: yes. may I include bootsplash? ;)
12:51 < blindcoder> netrunner: please not, I want to have vanilla-builds (ie: rene's tree=
12:52 < blindcoder> netrunner: can you please name the configs generic_athlonmp desktop_athlonmp and minimal_athlonmp ?
12:52 < MadTux> blindcoder: lets set a specific src to be used to all of us
12:52 < netrunner> blindcoder: ok, then I submit a bootsplash package for the official HEAD ;)
12:52 < blindcoder> MadTux: rene's most up-to-date tree
12:52 < blindcoder> netrunner: please, don't... this can really wait until 2.0.1 or 2.1
12:53 < blindcoder> MadTux: using scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete one can update the build tree then anyway
12:53 < MadTux> blindcoder: mm ok
12:53 < netrunner> blindcoder: that does not always work fine.
12:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: it does not rebuild depending packages
12:54 < blindcoder> MadTux: can you please also follow that naming scheme? ie {target}_{optimisation]?
12:55 < blindcoder> netrunner: aside from statically linked packages that usually doesn't impose any problems
12:55 < blindcoder> netrunner: the problem is: If we wait until 2.0-final we may not be ready with the builds until 20C3
12:55 < blindcoder> I have a samll compile-farm on my Hand starting at Dec 20 but they are all Intel
12:55 < blindcoder> so I can't make any Athlon things
12:56 < MadTux> blindcoder: ok, just spect some bugging fro9m me, i'm kinda outdate with a lot of stuff
12:57 < blindcoder> MadTux: great, thanks :)
12:57 < blindcoder> I'll send an updated list to rock-linux-ml
12:57 < MadTux> blindcoder: good
13:04 < sten> Out of curiousity, is KDE31 compiled against QT-3.1 [as oppposed to 3.2] for stability reasons?
13:08 < blindcoder> sten: no idea, I haven't looked at the kde32 branch yet
13:08 < SMP> I thought qt-3.2 was not supported for kde 3.1?
13:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: let's all start with the same rev. We can still update that on the congress.
13:10 < sten> I'm currently using qt-3.2.1, with kde-3.1.4 on Slackware.  I've noticed that it's terribly unstable.   I was wondering if the reason Rock is still using qt-3.1.x with kde-3.1.x, is because of these issues
13:11 < sten> apparently many of the changes from kde-3.1.3 to 3.1.4 were compile fixes, so that it would build against qt-3.2.x
13:12 < sten> to my knowledge, Rock is the only distro which builds kde-3.1.4 against qt-3.1.x  (which makes sense to me)
13:14 < blindcoder> netrunner: current is 1902, so I'd say use this
13:15 < netrunner> blindcoder: but I won't start today 
13:15 < netrunner> blindcoder: let's use the date you mentioned, 201203
13:15 < blindcoder> oh, 1915
13:15 < blindcoder> sorry
13:15 < blindcoder> netrunner: okay
13:15 < netrunner> I guess I can handle a desktop and a generic in that time.
13:15 < blindcoder> netrunner, MadTux: I'll send you a mail on Dec20 with the revision number
13:16 < blindcoder> netrunner: minimal can also be done on 20C3 on the first day, it doesn't take that long
13:17 < MadTux> blindcoder: ack.
13:17 < netrunner> blindcoder: I'll bring my build machine. it has a fddi card, so we can supply downloads with nice bw on the congress ;)
13:18 < MadTux> blindcoder: make sure you make a whole description of the naming thing, plus revission, and more or less the standards you have in mind for us to follow
13:19 < blindcoder> MadTux: I'll pre-create the whole config/* and supply it as download
13:19 < MadTux> blindcoder: sounds good, thanks.
13:20 < MadTux> blindcoder: so anyways just keep me posted ok? :)
13:20 < blindcoder> MadTux: I have to thank you, because it was my idea and you're supporting me :)
13:20 < th> hi MadTux \
13:20 < blindcoder> MadTux: sure I will :)
13:20 < netrunner> oh my god, they killed blindy!
13:20 < MadTux> blindcoder: nothing to thank :)
13:20 < MadTux> hi Tobias :)
13:21  * MadTux having breakfast
13:21 < netrunner> huh? on my build server there is a task sierpinski3d running at 40% cpu load
13:21 < th> netrunner: sounds like screensaver
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13:24 < blindcoder> definately screensaver
13:24 < netrunner> omg.
13:24 < blindcoder> netrunner: left your X running, huh?
13:25 < netrunner> blindcoder: obviously ;)
13:25 < netrunner> kill is my friend
13:26 < blindcoder> I wonder when kill will be marked as politically incorrect (see Master/Slave)
13:27 < netrunner> blindcoder: sysadmins kill. but it's illegal to say they are murderers.
13:27 < blindcoder> netrunner: hehe, sounds nice :)
13:32  * netrunner feels brave and goes to the lecture
13:33 < sten> should I contact rxr for more information regarding Rock's implementation of KDE?
13:34 < blindcoder> sten: that would probably be the best, he's been taking care of the whole kde-thingie
13:36 < sten> blindcoder: thanks.
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13:40 < mnemoc> re
13:46 < blindcoder> hi mnemoc 
13:46 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder 
14:00 < jani> hello again... just wondering, where are the docs for rockplug and hwscan?
14:01 < jani> i'm trying to work out what the difference is, and how to go about configuring them
14:04 < mnemoc> /usr/share/doc/{rockplug,hwscan}
14:04 < mnemoc> try to use rockplug
14:04 < jani> ok, will do.  is it compatible with 2.6 kernels?
14:05 < jani> i guess it must be
14:06 < mnemoc> sure it is :)
14:07 < jani> hmmm... the docs aren't there, ... this is only a build system installed from the rc-2 generic iso's.  i guess i'll have to wait until my build is finished
14:07 < jani> and i install a new system
14:08 < mnemoc> http://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rockplug/trunk/README
14:09 < jani> thanks, will read that now
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14:24 < daja77> cool will try bootsplash too
14:26 < Aard> bootsplash? how can I get the graphics on all consoles, not only the initiol? :)
14:26 < mnemoc> daja77: hi... you never answer if you like or not my sculping dwarf poster idea :(
14:26 < mnemoc> Aard: at boot you only have /dev/console ;)
14:28 < Aard> mnemoc: iirc the current suse uses colored consoles everywhere. seen that last week in the server room
14:29 < mnemoc> o_O
14:30 < mnemoc> fb?
14:31  * mnemoc never seen suse :(
14:31 < Aard> I dont know how they did it, but it looked like an extensieo of bootsplash (that suse-console with thick borders). at least it uses the bootsplash themes
14:32 < Aard> mnemoc: you didn't miss anything...
14:32 < blindcoder> Aard: as far as I understood bootsplash you will have it on all consoles
14:33 < Aard> blindcoder: patched mit 2.6.0-test 11 yesterday and had it only on the initial console.
14:33 < daja77> mnemoc: :)) well the idea is not bad
14:34 < Aard> I don,t know how it is with 2.4, I don,t have one laying around here
14:34 < daja77> guess suse made their own patches
14:34 < Aard> daja77: the bootsplash patches are written by a suse employee
14:34 < mnemoc> if they are GPL....
14:34 < daja77> ah interesting
14:35 < daja77> btw hi Aard :)
14:35 < Aard> hi daja77 :)
14:35 < blindcoder> Aard: netrunner fscked around with that thing, maybe he knows more
14:35 < netrunner> suse uses bootsplash, yes. the patches lie on their server. (I just sent them one for the actual kernel ;)
14:35 < netrunner> you add the image to the initrd.
14:36 < netrunner> sorry, was asleep in the lecture ;)
14:36 < daja77> shame on you *ggg*
14:36 < Aard> netrunner: that stuff works. I only want to see stupid images on all gonsoles
14:36 < daja77> <- lecture sleeper
14:37 < netrunner> Aard: ah,have you used my package?
14:38 < blindcoder> and why did you wake up? shame on you!
14:38 < Aard> netrunner: your what? :)
14:38 < mnemoc> daja77 snoring on a lecture?
14:38 < netrunner> Aard: bootsplash is for the kernel messages. you do not have multiple consoles until then.
14:39 < netrunner> blindcoder: music started outside. I've seen a bmw 7 driving into the main hall before ...
14:39 < netrunner> Aard: I made a package for ROCK with bootsplash.
14:39 < Aard> netrunner: ok, but in curront suse there seems to be away to apply the bootsplashtheme to all consoles
14:39 < netrunner> Aard: that must be sth else, like a fbtty. 
14:40 < Aard> netrunner: do you have something like this working?
14:40 < Aard> .oO( seems that I have to borrow the current SuSE )
14:41 < mnemoc> Toralds =) lol
14:41 < netrunner> Aard: http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:E-q282sQM_sJ:archlinux.veloxis.de/howtos/bootsplash/US/arch-bootsplash-howto_us.html+framebuffer+console+theme&hl=de&ie=UTF-8
14:41 < netrunner> google is your friend :)
14:41 < mnemoc> ms google?
14:41 < daja77> mnemoc: dunno can't hear me snoring ^^
14:41 < netrunner> Aard: I'll add that to my package, but for your interest. and thx for the hint :)
14:42 < daja77> ahen netrunner that is
14:42 < mnemoc> two year ago a teacher wake me up :(
14:43 < daja77> hehe, once a teacher told the others to be more quiet cos i slept
14:43 < blindcoder> mnemoc: and you slapped him? :)
14:43 < mnemoc> was a she :\
14:44 < Aard> it works :)
14:44 < blindcoder> "if the people in the first row would play their games as quiet as the people who read books in the second row, then the people in the third row could at least sleep well."
14:44 < blindcoder> mnemoc: hit her anyway
14:44 < daja77> .oO blindy is violent
14:45 < blindcoder> daja77: nah, just in a really bad modd when I get woken up
14:45  * daja77 notes to never wake blindy up, execpt with long distance weapons
14:46 < Aard> but one should not choose the default bootsplash theme since it sets console backround to silentjpeg, which is than a little bit more foreground...
14:47 < netrunner> oh, lecture accidently ended. /me fetching coffee
14:49 < blindcoder> daja77: you may also wake me up if there is imminent danger approaching (such as lawyers, Girlfriends, power outages or burning hardware :)
14:50 < daja77> guess i like that order
14:52 < blindcoder> well... maybe not because of a power outage because there's nothing else to do than sleeping then anyway :)
14:53 < rolla> re
14:53 < mnemoc> wb rolla 
14:53 < rolla> :)
14:54 < blindcoder> hi rolla 
14:55  * netrunner ordered a new printer today 
14:56 < blindcoder> I think about bringing mine, so we can print some ASCII Art banners :D
15:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: bring the beamer.
15:05 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... I will try
15:06 < daja77> anybody has the video fake & clifford made?
15:06 < blindcoder> which video?
15:06 < blindcoder> whaj video, rather
15:06 < blindcoder> what
15:06 < blindcoder> argl
15:06 < daja77> rocklinux video
15:07 < daja77> they showed it on the devmeeting
15:08 < netrunner> they made it at the camp.
15:14  * rolla smiles
15:20  * netrunner yawns
15:20 < daja77> hey that is rolla's job
15:21  * blindcoder falls asleep
15:21 < daja77> yeah  the weather is made for sleeping
15:22 < mnemoc> too cold there?
15:22 < daja77> foggy anbd dark
15:22 < mnemoc> happy day
15:23 < rolla> daja77: the weather is same here
15:23 < blindcoder> the weather here seems almost non-existant
15:24 < daja77> oh good, so i don't have to move
15:24 < blindcoder> no sky, no wind, no rain, just plain cold
15:24  * netrunner looks through the window and sees plain gray
15:24 < daja77> yep
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15:26 < blindcoder> ah, what the fuck, I'm going home now
15:26 < blindcoder> bye!
15:28 < daja77> cu blindcoder 
15:36 < netrunner> wtf...now the patch is applied twice!
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15:37 < greb> hi, why did you remove "ifconfig" in rc2?
15:37 < daja77> greb: hi, this is a known bug, the package containing ifconfig did not build correctly that's why it is missing
15:38 < daja77> rxr: i'd be good if we open up a known bug section to each release? what do you think?
15:38 < netrunner> greb: you can use ip for the same purpose
15:38 < greb> ahh, ok
15:38 < daja77> netrunner: not if he needs dhclient
15:38 < greb> in which package is ifconfig included
15:38 < greb> i need dhclient
15:38 < daja77> net-tools
15:39 < greb> i'll try to rebuild
15:39 < mnemoc> any voluntier to rewrite dhclient for ip?
15:40 < Aard> has anyone played with replicating network file systems?
15:41 < daja77> greb: you can grab the package from here http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/x86/pkgs/net-tools-1.60.gem
15:41  * daja77 once played with openafs
15:41  * netrunner too
15:42  * netrunner -> home
15:42 < daja77> cu netrunner 
15:42 < Aard> does it work? I want to share mi local ~ with my notebook
15:42 < mnemoc> why the hell dosemu considers my system is a.out instead of elf???!!
15:42 < daja77> disconnected operation not supported yet
15:43 < mnemoc> code does
15:43 < mnemoc> coda
15:43 < daja77> yep coda lacks other things afaik
15:43 < mnemoc> nobody is perfect
15:45 < Aard> iirc the codafs homepage states somthing like `do not uso coda if you don't want to loose your data'
15:46 < mnemoc> ehmm
15:47 < mnemoc> AAAAAARG!!! 
15:47 < Aard> ?
15:47 < daja77> mnemoc: ?
15:47 < mnemoc> echo x gtk-sharp > config/mono/pkgsel
15:47 < mnemoc> i loose my whole fscking pkgsel
15:48 < daja77> d'oh
15:48 < daja77> rxr: can have a typo3 typo fixing account too?
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16:35 < netrunner> Aard: I use unison for syncing.
16:36 < Aard> netrunner: ?
16:36 < netrunner> Aard: 15:42 < Aard> does it work? I want to share mi local ~ with my notebook
16:37 < netrunner> I mean, instead of a replicated fs :)
16:45 < Aard> netrunner: looks nice. can it _really_ handle changes on both filesystems?
16:53 < SMP> Aard: Intermezzo?
16:55 < Aard> SMP: unison
16:56 < SMP> no, I meant you might give Intermezzo a look
16:56 < Aard> SMP: ah. I think I'll try unison first, it seems to be the easiest solution
17:02 < netrunner> Aard: yes. you have to decide which version to use  if you changed on both sides. otherwise he checkes which version is newer.
17:02 < netrunner> Aard: and unison uses ssh :)
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17:21 < Aard> netrunner: i like it :)
17:31 < mnemoc> can libxslt be built with libxml2?
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17:32 < mnemoc> i mean libxml2-only
17:33 < mnemoc> let's test
17:33 < mnemoc> bbl
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18:06 < Aard> *waiting*
18:06 < daja77> ?
18:16 < Aard> netrunner: how big is your home? ;)
18:24 < netrunner> Aard: about 77 square metres ;)
18:24 < Aard> netrunner: *patsch*
18:24 < Aard> how big / how long does the sync take?
18:26 < netrunner> Aard: I only sync parts of it. like stuff for the varsity and so on. the second sync run is quite fast, some seconds to get the changes from the server, and than syncing depending on the connection speed
18:26 < Aard> netrunner: you mean, i have to wati only once over half an hour?
18:28 < netrunner> Aard: the first time it creates the same situation on every side. from then, you only copy the changed files.
18:28 < netrunner> Aard: if you sync a dir that is not existend in the beginning, it has to be copied completely.
18:28 < Aard> netrunner: it's not the copying, it's the changes. 
18:28 < netrunner> Aard: also, if you sync a dir that has not been synced from this machine, he has to create it's database, that takes a bit longer.
18:28 < Aard> `waiting for changes from server' -- and there is currently no network traffic
18:29 < netrunner> Aard: and, is the server computing? should have a unison process doing something.
18:29 < Aard> squirrel:/usr/src/unison-2.9.1# ps ax | grep unison
18:29 < Aard> 19662 ?        D      1:47 unison -server
18:29 < Aard> 19670 ?        D      1:24 unison -server
18:30 < netrunner> Aard: the first time it has to create it's db. this is probably what it is doing now.
18:31 < netrunner> Aard: I have only used a dir up to a gb ... you'll see if it likes more ;)
18:31 < Aard> my ~ is currently 4.9G, after some cleanup. server is a pII-350
18:35 < netrunner> Aard: you'll see :)
18:35  * netrunner away
18:37 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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19:37 < Aard> ah, sync started
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19:55 < Aard> hm. getting the changes before syncing still takes loooong
20:49  * rolla yawns
20:52 < mnemoc> hi sleepy rolla
20:57 < rolla> hallo mnemoc 
21:08 < esden> hi all
21:12 < rolla> hallo esden
21:12 < esden> hi rolla 
21:17 < esden> hmm ... it looks like the fedora guys are doing nothing all the day ... very interesting ;) I see no devel talk in their devel channel at all 
21:17 < esden> here it has at least a little percentage ;)
21:26 < mnemoc> =)
21:26 < mnemoc> i need an statitic of how many lines are greetings here
21:27 < esden> a lawyer, an accountant and a physicist are discussing, over a beer, whether life is better with a wife or with a girlfriend.
21:27 < esden> "Awife is better," declares the lawyer, "because of the family support and the help she"ll be to your career."
21:28 < esden> "Nonsense," says the accountant. "A girlfriend is better: you can keep your independance and go out with your friends more."
21:29 < esden> They turn to the physicist, who says, "it's better to have both. That way, the wife thinks you're with the firlfriend, the firlfriend thinks you"re with the wife, and meanwhile you can be down the lab!"
21:29 < mnemoc> o_O
21:29 < esden> firlfriend=girlfriend
21:30 < esden> typing blind sux
21:30 < mnemoc> why blind?
21:30 < blindcoder> geting one of each firts would be a good start IMO
21:30 < esden> blindcoder: rofl
21:31 < daja77> rofl
21:51 < daja77> esden: you had a look at he fedora paper ^^
21:51 < daja77> the
21:56  * blindcoder bed
22:02 < daja77> n8 blindy
22:13 < daja77> rofl http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,277022,00.html
22:17 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux
22:17 < LocalHero> Hi all
22:18 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-117.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:18 < daja77> hi LocalHero 
22:19 < LocalHero> daja77: How are you today?
22:20 < daja77> quite ok
22:23 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E75D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:23 < LocalHero> rxr, you there?
22:27 < mnemoc> re
22:27 < daja77> wb mnemoc 
22:31 < mnemoc> i'm melting :-\
22:31 < daja77> hm?
22:31 < mnemoc> it's too hot here ;)
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22:34 < daja77> hot, nice, wanna come here?
22:36 < mnemoc> :)
22:45 < mnemoc> i have drunk 5lt of water today
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22:47 < esden> sigh
22:47 < esden> doing backups is so long ...
22:47 < esden> and boring
22:49  * netrunner online via hscsd
22:49 < A-Tui> hi all
22:49 < mnemoc> hi A-Tui 
22:49 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc
22:50  * esden online via hardlink or so ...
22:51 < netrunner> hm, rather expensive this way
22:51  * netrunner off again ;)
22:55 < esden> netrunner: not really ... I do not pay anything for that ;)
22:56 < esden> and still download rates of several mb/s ... without proxy fluff that I have at stusta
22:56 < esden> hmm ... would it be feasable to run rocklinux compiles in vmware?
22:57  * esden going to install vmware in the room one door beside and starting rocklinux iso download
23:13 < esden> ok ... vmware installed
23:16 < esden> humm ... is this channel dead? o_O
23:16 < mnemoc> why?
23:20 < esden> because noone is saying anything
23:20 < mnemoc> it's plenty of fun, conversation and mail-list traffic
23:21 < esden> o_O
23:24 < mnemoc> happy happy joy joy
23:26 < esden> hrm ... I really would like to know what you want to say... but sadly you are delivering too small amount of information to acheve that gole ... ;)
23:28 < mnemoc> =) /me bored as hell
23:28 < esden> then do something ... there are lot's of things one can do!
23:28 < mnemoc> happy happy joy joy is what ren from ren&stimpy said when he is happy :)
23:29 < esden> aaaaaha
23:29 < mnemoc> i'm coding, but it's too hot for mental work :|
23:29 < esden> too hot? o_O
23:29 < esden> my godness ... 
23:29 < esden> I only have to open the window and I freeze
23:30 < esden> thank god there is heating in this room
23:30 < mnemoc> http://www.bitstorm.org/happyjoy/
23:32 < esden> "I'll teach your grandmother to suck eggs!"
23:32 < esden> rofl
23:32 < mnemoc> you can listen it (real player)
23:35 < esden> I have no real player at hand :(
23:35 < esden> weeee the backup tool is really working!!!!
23:35 < esden> thank god!
23:36 < mnemoc> do you have flash support?
23:38 < esden> I should have it somewhere ... why?
23:40 < mnemoc> i'm trying to found any happy happy joy joy song on mp3
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23:56 < esden> mnemoc: thanks ;)
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