--- Log opened Mit Dez 10 00:00:15 2003
--- Day changed Mit Dez 10 2003
00:00 < daja77> ah k. found it, then there was a wrong name somewhere in the docs have to find where
00:01 < jsaw> rxr: could you svn ps svn:executable true misc/archive/{fm,}newpackage.sh
00:02  * MadTux wonders how long will pass before server target is taken out of the trunk
00:02  * daja77 thought about a usable server target some days ago
00:03 < rxr> Wow - now my most favourite piece of shit (gdb) seg-faulted
00:03 < daja77> would be a set of options where you can easily choose the server sw you want on it, then build and go for it
00:03 < MadTux> rxr hehe
00:03 < daja77> lol
00:03 < rxr> MadTux: this is not funny - I need this paper - tomorrow morning 
00:03 < rxr> ah - not today morning ...
00:04 < MadTux> daja77: that would make it just a package selection, i believe we should have a feature sort of like mnemoc's idea of impleting the vROCK feature, which can be applied on any distro 
00:04 < MadTux> rxr: oh man, sorry to hear that.
00:05 < daja77> MadTux: yes but easy package selection
00:05 < MadTux> daja77: to acomplish what you are describing we could just create a package selection template
00:05 < daja77> no one package creation template doesn't fit
00:05 < MadTux> daja77: that would be use the same way we can make minimal and minimal + xfree
00:06 < MadTux> why not?
00:06 < MadTux> will you actually use an aditional kernel or so?
00:06 < daja77> everybody wants other server stuff, so choosing from a list which would be an easy way to do it
00:06 < MadTux> why a whole target for somethign as simple?
00:06 < daja77> maybe with inclusion of ready config files
00:06 < MadTux> define "ready config files" ?
00:07 < daja77> have a location for config files you already worked out, which will get included
00:07 < daja77> package selection is still too complicated
00:08 < MadTux> well how would you decide which config file is the most apporiate?
00:08 < MadTux> i mean each person to use it would use its own set of options and so anyways, its not like that there is one exclusive way to configure server packages
00:08 < daja77> well if they user supplies config files on is own, there is nothing to decide for rock
00:09 < MadTux> ok still lets say we provide a config file
00:09 < MadTux> daja77: shouldn't this config file be as standard as possible?
00:09 < rxr> I need a faster PPC box ...
00:09 < MadTux> ie, the conf file provided with the package as default?
00:09 < daja77> yeah but it is more likely that server ppl build therir own rock than desktop ppl, i thoughjt it for that reason
00:09 < daja77> not for supplying ready isos
00:10 < MadTux> rxr: feel free to donate to me ur old ppc when you get a faster box :)
00:10 < daja77> rxr: ask esden for the g5 *ggg*
00:10 < rxr> at least koffice only needs one hour or so - OO would need a day or so ..
00:10 < rxr> daja77: he "has" one
00:10 < rxr> ?
00:10 < MadTux> daja77: he has a g5?!?
00:11 < rxr> hopefully I can just do cd kword ; make
00:11 < daja77> at the university afaik
00:11 < rxr> that would speedup the debugging a bit ...
00:11 < MadTux> daja77: well we are not talking about providing isos indeed
00:11 < daja77> yep that would make no sense
00:12 < MadTux> daja77: i still don't get the point on why not have standard config files and let the user that wants to create his own isos, decide how he wants his config files and so
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00:12 < MadTux> I mean would is there to offer anyways?
00:12 < daja77> MadTux: cos ppl telling me it is too complicated, time consuming for them
00:13 < daja77> so just selecting that stuff in Config would be much easier
00:13 < MadTux> well daja77 how are you going to be able to fit everyones needs in exclusively one config file
00:13 < MadTux> you mean ./scripts/Config ?
00:13 < daja77> not config file scripts/Config
00:13 < daja77> yes
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00:14 < MadTux> well yeah daja77 so can't you just have a server template with the most commonly used packages for servers and let the user add or remove some packages for this?
00:14 < MadTux> make some sort of custom selection?
00:14 < daja77> yes by using checkboxes
00:15 < MadTux> yeah, but provide the server comon packages on a template, that would earn them some time
00:15 < MadTux> get my point?
00:15 < daja77> you still haven't got the idea i guess
00:16 < MadTux> well maybe you want to explain better
00:16 < daja77> sure, could do in query, if i annoy ppl here
00:17 < MadTux> i don't think anyone would be annoying, besides maybe rxr, and other would like to contribute some ideas and suggestions
00:17 < rxr> feel free to continue here ...
00:17 < daja77> ok
00:18 < MadTux> thanks rxr
00:18 < daja77> everybody wants some special server stuff, mail, dns, samba, whatever
00:18  * MadTux listens to daja77's explanation
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00:19 < daja77> if you can just select the stuff you want to have on your server by hitting some chekboxes, that would be sweet
00:19 < daja77> so you mix your server 
00:20 < daja77> and if you like, and only if, you can supply the config files you want to have in it, at some path, and that files will be included in the iso, or repo for that server
00:20 < daja77> and of course you can choose which mail server and stuff you want
00:21 < daja77> this would be more flexible than having n templates in store
00:21 < MadTux> yeah sure i get that part, but why not have a template with all the server stuff, and then let the user deselect what he doesn't want to have
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00:22 < ierk> hi
00:22 < daja77> hi ierk 
00:22 < MadTux> daja77: well what you are suggesting would be just let the user make a full custom package selection
00:22 < daja77> MadTux: why should that be better
00:23 < MadTux> it would be better because then the user woudn't have to waste his time browsing over the gnome, kde, xfree etc stuff
00:23 < ierk> so now i joined here, and netrunner has gone to bed :-(
00:23 < daja77> it would be a quick package selection which doesn't require to read the user too much docs before he can start
00:23 < MadTux> he would have only the kind of stuff needed for servers
00:23 < daja77> so what, thats why it is server target
00:24 < daja77> you only get the options there
00:24 < MadTux> daja77: well wouldn't be better to work as feature better than a target?
00:24 < daja77> define feature?
00:24 < MadTux> i mean besides the custom package selection, what else would this target allow the user to do?
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00:25 < ierk> for x86_64 should i use stable or devel
00:25 < daja77> putting his worked out configs in it, without messing around
00:25 < MadTux> feature as in i can choose this templates when building other targets
00:25 < daja77> you'd need thousand templates for that, this sucks
00:26 < MadTux> ie desktop and generic have different kernel configs, so i could still have the package selection you are talking about and use lets say desktops pkg sel, and even build with dietlibc
00:26 < daja77> yeah kernel config should be added of course
00:26 < MadTux> mm...
00:26 < MadTux> I'm not 100% convinced yet.
00:27  * daja77 neither, just thinking about it
00:27 < MadTux> but maybe out of this flood of ideas something can come out
00:27 < MadTux> would be great if others in here gave an opinion
00:27 < MadTux> daja77: even if we did this ur way or "my" way, we would still have to cleanup the current target
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00:28 < ierk> can't find it on the homepage. any rsync feed for rocklinux?
00:28 < daja77> the package templates just moved the problem of having thousands of targets to having thousands of templates
00:29 < MadTux> ierk: ?
00:29 < A-Tui> hola
00:29 < MadTux> daja77: perhaps yeah
00:29 < hopelessOwl> moin
00:29 < MadTux> hola Aitor
00:29 < MadTux> owly!
00:29 < A-Tui> hi miguel
00:29  * MadTux wonders wtf is mnemoc when you need him
00:29 < hopelessOwl> hola Miguel. que tal?
00:29 < daja77> dunno if we still have rsync
00:29 < MadTux> owl, good and you ?
00:30 < MadTux> daja77: only for developer home dirs i think
00:30 < hopelessOwl> hm. still ill. thx
00:30 < ierk> MadTux: I'd like to test Rocklinux on md AMD64 (Athlin64), and to do so I'd like to loclay mirror as much as possible.
00:30 < MadTux> owl thats bad :(
00:30 < MadTux> ierk: we use subversion
00:30 < hopelessOwl> it's acceptable :p at least i don't need to go to the school *hrhr*
00:31 < ierk> MadTux: me link is "just" DSL, but I could e.g. rsync it during the night and than install tomorow
00:31 < daja77> ierk: you could grag the static-svn package and checkout trunk
00:31 < daja77> grab
00:31 < MadTux> ierk: you want to install a regular iso or build ur own isos from the rock src?
00:31 < ierk> MadTux: I want to install a system. I don't care about isos (nor yet). I'd go for netboot and install from there
00:31 < MadTux> ierk: i still don't see the point of using rsync on thos..
00:32 < MadTux> this*
00:32 < MadTux> ierk: well you need something on your computer that can be used to build rock
00:32 < ierk> MadTux: I'd like to rsync it to a local box1, than if i've all the sources, scripts, ... bootdisk, boot box2 and start installing
00:32 < ierk> MadTux: I've trustix and gentoo on it (and windows but that will not help ;-))
00:33 < Aard> btw: it is possible to boil rice in a coffee maker
00:33 < hopelessOwl> hi Aard !!!
00:33 < MadTux> Aardvark for real?!?
00:33 < MadTux> ierk: well you first need to get the rock src trunk
00:34 < hopelessOwl> .oO(yeah, where Aard is, nothing is impossible *g*)
00:34 < Aard> MadTux: yes, but it takes a little bit longer then the `classical way'
00:34 < ierk> MadTux: what is best: stable or devel (for amd64)
00:34 < daja77> this sucks, rocklinux us mirror is redirected to ambigc
00:34 < MadTux> ierk: devel
00:34 < MadTux> ierk:  svn co http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk
00:35 < MadTux> ierk: then you need to Cofig the thing, and download the packages using the scripts provided, i don't know how familiar you are with rock
00:35 < MadTux> ierk: but i can tell you won't be using rsync at any point of this process..
00:35 < daja77> afaik you can rsync to the tu vienna mirror
00:36 < ierk> MadTux: I
00:36 < ierk> MadTux: I
00:36 < ierk> MadTux: I'm not at all familar with rock. just talked with netrunner about it. and want to give it a try
00:37 < MadTux> ierk: ah i see
00:37 < MadTux> lets get you properly introduced
00:37 < Aard> any ideas how to boil the vegetables?
00:38 < ierk> Hi all, I'm bg, but the nick is taken and so i use ierk for now. 
00:38 < MadTux> ierk: http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/ <- beging ur learning :)
00:38 < MadTux> also in a coffee maker?
00:39 < ierk> I own an Athlon64, and want to compile some version of Linux for amd64. As all the others suck, i want to give rock a try. and will now start reading the manual
00:39 < Aard> MadTux: no. because I want it flavoured
00:40 < MadTux> ierk: excellent, please keep us updated on ur progress
00:40 < MadTux> ierk: we are still a bit new into x86_64 land
00:40 < MadTux> Aard: mm... regular way?
00:42 < Aard> MadTux: EOUTOFCLEANPOTS
00:43  * A-Tui is away: How high the moon
00:43 < MadTux> Aard: 0_o
00:44 < Aard> hm. now eating: rice without anything
00:44 < Aard> tastes great, anyway
00:44 < MadTux> simple rice testes awesome
00:45 < daja77> indian rice in particular
00:45 < MadTux> mm.. /me more into jap..
00:46 < Aard> MadTux: clean my pots, baby...
00:46 < daja77> Aard: get a girl *ggg*
00:47 < MadTux> Aard: yeah get owl to do it!
00:47 < MadTux> :)
00:47 < Aard> it tastes a bit like coffee. maybe I should have clean the machine before
00:47 < MadTux> *g*
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00:58  * ierk is not convinced. 
00:58 < ierk> did not know WHAT it takes to bootstrap subversion
00:58 < daja77> hm?
00:59 < daja77> just use that static-svn package, precompiled stuff
01:00 < daja77> or if you build it use the --without-apxs switch to build a client only version
01:04 < ierk> daja77: maybe better than triing to make a subversion package for trustix
01:04 < daja77> can't tell, haven't used trustix so far
01:04 < rxr> hm - I just subscrived to koffice-devel and the damn daemon bounces with "bla bla moderated list" - sigh
01:05 < daja77> but guess it will be easier
01:05 < MadTux> rxr: sux
01:05 < MadTux> ierk: to build rock you will need: curl, devfsd, devfs support on ur kernel, subversion
01:07 < ierk> MadTux: great, no curl, no devfs(d), no subversion
01:07 < ierk> MadTux: do I realy need devfs(d) during build?
01:07 < MadTux> rxr: whenever 2.0-final is released, will this release be based on generic-x86 ? or what do you have in mind?
01:07 < MadTux> ierk: yes devfs is a must for rock 2.0
01:07 < MadTux> ierk: will be optional in 2.1
01:08 < ierk> MadTux: I'm checking out the devel tree but that's probably 2.0
01:08 < ierk> MadTux: again devfs is a must during build? (stage1..3/4)?
01:08 < MadTux> ierk: yeah, we are near to a stable release i *hope*
01:09 < MadTux> ierk: yes devfs is a most since the beggining
01:09 < ierk> MadTux: so i can't use my existing os to bootstrap rock :-(
01:10 < daja77> maybe when you recompile kernel
01:10 < MadTux> can't you just recompile ur kernel and add the othe rpackages?
01:10 < ierk> MadTux: once i recompile my kernel (and made a package for curl ;-) ) i will loose access to my LVM.
01:11 < ierk> MadTux: LVM's created with devfs don't work without and viceversa
01:11 < MadTux> ierk: you can always MKOLDCOMPAT on devfsd.conf
01:11 < MadTux> :)
01:11 < ierk> MadTux: so all my drive will be gone (except for 128M of /boot)
01:11 < daja77> d'oh
01:12 < MadTux> ierk: gone as in no space?
01:12 < ierk> MadTux: that does not help. LVM uses the kernel internal device names, and they are /dev/ide/bus... with devfs and it expects to find my PVs at /dev/hd[ace]0
01:12 < MadTux> ierk: as i said before MKOLDCOMPAT on devfsd, that way non-devfs style will be kept as well
01:13 < ierk> MadTux: jep. no space. 
01:13 < MadTux> ierk: grr...
01:13 < ierk> MadTux: no MKOLDCOMPAT will not help. it's a devfs_d_ option. the problem is INSIDE the kernel
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01:14 < ierk> but i can wipe the Athlon64 box. and try again without LVM
01:14 < daja77> ierk: if you wipe out, you could install 32bit rock for building
01:15 < ierk> daja77: could do that. there are isos (iirc)
01:15 < daja77> yep
01:15 < MadTux> yeah
01:15 < ierk> daja: rock uses grub as bootloader?
01:16 < MadTux> ierk: you can choose grub or lilo
01:16 < daja77> you can choose between grub and lilo
01:16  * MadTux is faster as usual :)
01:16 < daja77> damn /me getting slow
01:16 < daja77> yeah cos i produced much typos
01:16 < MadTux> daja77: well i am the king of the typos
01:16 < MadTux> daja77: still you are right.. you are getting old :P
01:17 < daja77> no tired
01:17 < MadTux> old
01:17 < MadTux> :P
01:17 < daja77> tired!
01:17 < MadTux> yeah yeah
01:17  * daja77 kicks MadTux 
01:17 < MadTux> *vbeg*
01:17 < MadTux> ouch!
01:17 < MadTux> what did i do?
01:17 < daja77> doesn't matter *ggg*
01:18 < MadTux> *g*
01:18  * MadTux is an inocent little boy
01:18 < MadTux> brb
01:18  * daja77 likes kicking innocent looking boys
01:18 < ierk> 2.0.0-rc2 is it? and do i need all 3 cds?
01:18 < MadTux> yeah you need the 3
01:19 < MadTux> http://people.hack-solutions.com/mike/pics/mike10.jpg <-- my inocent face :)
01:19 < MadTux> now brb
01:19 < ierk> why is it called generic?
01:20 < rxr> wheeee
01:20 < rxr> cool - found most parts of the bug
01:20 < daja77> rxr: does your desktop isos contain ifconfig?
01:20 < rxr> kword contains a but in the table code delivering the currentRow and Col after loading
01:20 < rxr> daja77: I think so
01:20 < daja77> congrats
01:21 < rxr> so when the cursor is inside a table during saving the loading crashes when the current cursor position is determined
01:21 < daja77> ierk: do you need dynamic ip support?
01:21 < ierk> oh, the telekom indead upgraded my line. downloadin with 330K/s
01:21 < rxr> simply editing the .xml file fixed the loading (in my first test example) - now I try my real files
01:21 < rxr> and continue tracking the real bug ...
01:21 < ierk> daja77: ? dhcp? not realy. but would be nice
01:21  * daja77 likes rxr
01:22 < daja77> ierk: thing is ifconfig is missing on that isos, but you can grab a package for it, from the hp
01:22 < daja77> .oO i really should add an errata page soon
01:23  * ierk is getting http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/stable/2.0.0-rc2/generic/generic-2.0.0-rc2-rev1605+fixes_cd[123].iso with now
01:23 < daja77> ok
01:23 < daja77> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/x86/pkgs/net-tools-1.60.gem
01:24 < daja77> with that package you can fix it
01:25 < ierk> daja77: how do i configure the networking? does dhcp work?
01:25 < rxr> jups also worked for my real document (as expected)
01:26 < daja77> cool
01:26 < daja77> ierk: use stone to configure networking, you have to install net-tools package with mine -i $package, before dhcp works
01:27  * daja77 missing mnemoc asking who is porting dhclient to ip ...
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01:28 < rxr> daja77: we do not yet have a bot for this Q ?
01:28 < ierk> daja77: i'll get a chicken-egg problem there: how to dl a package from the network /wo working network :/
01:28 < daja77> download it now?
01:29 < daja77> rxr: hehe no, but a bot would be cool indeed, guess errata page is easier for a start
01:29 < MadTux> re
01:29 < ierk> daja: i'll wipe the box before install. but that's what floppy disks^W^Wusb memorysticks are for
01:29 < daja77> ack
01:29 < MadTux> fsck prelink - stage 3 is breaking..
01:29 < rxr> MadTux: yes saw this ...
01:29 < MadTux> rxr: any changes on it lately?
01:30  * ierk is off
01:30 < ierk> n8 all
01:30 < daja77> n8 ierk 
01:30 < MadTux> yeah rene updated..
01:30 < MadTux> i mean mnemoc
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01:31 < MadTux> rxr: ?
01:32 < daja77> should i put my todo on /. journal *ggg*
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01:34  * MadTux downgrading to previous prelink version
01:38 < rxr> cu all later
01:38 < MadTux> cu rxr
01:38 < daja77> cu rxr
01:39  * MadTux again kicking daja77's ass
01:39 < MadTux> daja77: you really are "tired"
01:40 < daja77> no busy writing todo
01:41 < MadTux> yeah yeah :)
01:44 < rxr> ok - I can propose a patch
01:44 < MadTux> rxr: for kword?
01:45 < rxr> --- koffice-1.2.94/kword/kwcanvas.cc.orig       2003-10-27 14:21:54.000000000 +0100
01:45 < rxr> +++ koffice-1.2.94/kword/kwcanvas.cc    2003-12-09 21:34:00.000000000 +0100
01:45 < rxr> @@ -2623,6 +2623,8 @@
01:45 < rxr>      if ( !m_currentFrameSetEdit )
01:45 < rxr>          return -1;
01:45 < rxr>      KWTextFrameSetEdit *edit=dynamic_cast<KWTextFrameSetEdit *>(m_currentFrameSetEdit->currentTextEdit());
01:45 < rxr> +    if (!edit)
01:45 < rxr> +        return -1;
01:45 < rxr>      KWTextFrameSet* textfs = edit->textFrameSet();
01:45 < rxr>      if ( textfs && textfs->getGroupManager() )
01:45 < rxr>          return static_cast<KWTableFrameSet::Cell *>(textfs)->firstRow();
01:45 < rxr> @@ -2634,6 +2636,8 @@
01:45 < rxr>      if ( !m_currentFrameSetEdit )
01:45 < rxr>          return -1;
01:45 < rxr>      KWTextFrameSetEdit *edit=dynamic_cast<KWTextFrameSetEdit *>(m_currentFrameSetEdit->currentTextEdit());
01:45 < rxr> +    if (!edit)
01:45 < rxr> +        return -1;
01:45 < rxr>      KWTextFrameSet* textfs = edit->textFrameSet();
01:45 < rxr>      if ( textfs && textfs->getGroupManager() )
01:45 < rxr>          return static_cast<KWTableFrameSet::Cell *>(textfs)->firstCol();
01:46 < MadTux> grrr... somehow i guessed you would paste the patch...
01:46 < daja77> nice fix ^^
01:47 < rxr> a dynamic_cast without a 0 check is ill in any way
01:47 < rxr> and the methods -1 in a later error case anyway ...
01:48 < MadTux> ok so prelink builds just perfect 
01:49 < MadTux> rxr: i will submit a patch to downgrade prelink, untill whoever (maybe mnemoc again) want to upgrade it provide a patche that fix whatever is making it break
01:49 < rxr> MadTux: could you ask the updatee why it got submitted and for a real fix ?
01:49 < rxr> n8 all
01:49 < daja77> n8
01:49  * daja77 goin too
01:50 < MadTux> rxr: grr.. ok
01:50 < rxr> MadTux: no patch needed - just point me to reverting the changeset in that directory ...
01:50 < MadTux> _PING_ mnemoc
01:50 < MadTux> rxr: to rlml?
01:51 < rxr> nope - just tomorrow when I forget about it ...
01:51 < MadTux> arrgg!
01:51 < MadTux> ok.
01:51 < daja77> calm down
01:51 < daja77> n8 Miguel
01:51 < MadTux> daja77: leaving?
01:52 < daja77> yep it is 2am here
01:52 < hopelessOwl> gn8 MadTux 
01:52 < MadTux> daja77: :(
01:52 < MadTux> ok sleep well day
01:52 < mnemoc> re
01:52 < MadTux> hopelessOwl: you too?
01:52 < MadTux> mnemoc: just the mean i wanted to kill.. i mean see
01:52 < mnemoc> ?
01:52 < MadTux> mnemoc: you provided an updated for prelink which was applied on nov 28th.. now prelink is broken..
01:53 < hopelessOwl> MadTux: nope. not yet.
01:53 < MadTux> why was it updated in the first place?
01:53 < MadTux> hopelessOwl: well i am not leaving :)
01:53 < MadTux> mnemoc: could you please provide a fix to prelink? it is braking on stage3
01:53 < mnemoc> MadTux: in that moment it builded, at least for p2
01:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: i'm using p mmx and it brakes
01:54 < MadTux> rxr had the problem too..
01:54 < mnemoc> fresk....
01:54 < mnemoc> freak*
01:54 < mnemoc> i'll add it to current build an see
01:54 < MadTux> please
01:54 < MadTux> :)
01:54 < hopelessOwl> MadTux: hoeh???
01:54 < hopelessOwl> now i'm confused
01:55 < MadTux> mnemoc: i asked rxr to revert untill its fixed
01:55 < MadTux> hopelessOwl: daja77 was leaving to bed, not me
01:55 < mnemoc> can you mail me the .err?
01:55 < hopelessOwl> ah so. gn8 daja77 :p
01:55 < hopelessOwl> just read "gn8 Miguel"
01:55 < MadTux> mnemoc: well i reverted myself prelink, but i guess i can, wait
01:55 < MadTux> hopelessOwl: hehe
01:56 < hopelessOwl> MadTux: :p
01:56 < mnemoc> MadTux: can you send me the .err?
01:56 < MadTux> mnemoc: yes hold on a moment :)
01:57 < MadTux> mnemoc: addy
01:58 < MadTux> mnemoc: email address?
01:59 < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: *ping*
01:59 < mnemoc> pong
01:59 < MadTux> amery, mail sent
01:59 < mnemoc> thanks
02:00 < MadTux> mnemoc: no problem. I love bugging :)
02:00 < mnemoc> btw, i do never send untested patches (last 6 month)
02:00 < MadTux> ok.
02:00 < MadTux> :)
02:01 < MadTux> still i hope you don't mind to get reports if any of ur updates causes problems
02:01 < mnemoc> thunderbird crashes :\
02:01 < MadTux> for prelink?
02:04 < mnemoc> i don't think so, me@winxp :)
02:04 < MadTux> you suck!
02:04 < MadTux> :)
02:04 < mnemoc> :)
02:05 < MadTux> mnemoc: you should be using that computing power for rock 
02:05 < mnemoc> bad HD
02:05 < MadTux> resiserfs..
02:05 < MadTux> reiserfs*
02:06 < mnemoc> smart reliability 62%
02:06 < MadTux> mm...
02:06 < mnemoc> *BAD* disk
02:06 < MadTux> why would you have such .. mm. thing?
02:08 < mnemoc> i couldn't found the invoice on time :(
02:09 < MadTux> ok
02:09 < mnemoc> aaaarg
02:09 < mnemoc> execstack.c:369: error: `PT_GNU_STACK' undeclared 
02:09 < MadTux> ah nice so my build is now on stage5 :)
02:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: ah i see you are having fun with my err :)
02:10 < hopelessOwl> gn8 all now
02:10 < MadTux> gn8 owly]
02:10 < hopelessOwl> gn8 Miguel ;)
02:11 < mnemoc> PT_GNU_STACK is part of elf header
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02:11 < pfred1> what's rocklinux?
02:11 < MadTux> http://www.rocklinux.org/
02:12 < pfred1> ah
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02:37 < MadTux> ok /me leaving home
02:37 < MadTux> cu tomorrow
02:38 < mnemoc> cu Mike1
02:38 < MadTux> according to the gallery i am MadTux :)
02:38 < MadTux> anyways cya
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03:12 < mnemoc> yes!! prelink building :)
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06:08 < c0ldshadow> hey
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08:08 < maze_fan> moin
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08:23 < netrunner> moin
08:24 < maze_fan> moin netrunner 
08:24 < maze_fan> hrm, echo response times ranging in 50k ms and ping shifts...
08:25 < maze_fan> over a fucking 15m distance!
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08:29 < netrunner> maze_fan: ip over throwing-tennis-balls?
08:30 < maze_fan> something like that
08:30 < maze_fan> a Linksys AP and 802.11g WLAN Card
08:42 < maze_fan>  Quality:1/1  Signal level:-64 dBm  Noise level:-77 dBm
08:48 < netrunner> maze_fan: 1/1 ... looks weird.
08:53 < maze_fan> linuxant >_<
08:53 < maze_fan> I get 0/0 with ndiswrapper
08:57 < maze_fan> I'll try setting a fixed speed insteaed of auto-discovering best speed
08:58 < maze_fan> gnarf, that damn access point adminweb doesn't work with w3m (way too much javascript
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10:38 < maze_fan> 2.0.1 :P
10:38 < maze_fan> brb
10:40 < maze_fan> back
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10:50 < maze_fan> moin daja
10:50 < daja77> moin blindy
10:51 < daja77> they made a kernel update to this machine in the morning ...
10:51 < netrunne1> hi daja77
10:51 < daja77> moin netrunne1 
10:51 < maze_fan> daja77: and now nothing works anymore?
10:52 < daja77> irssi killed, logging in again 
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10:52 < maze_fan> daja77: I see
10:52 < maze_fan> I think I found the problem with my wlan
10:52 < daja77> nah the automated updates work here at university
10:52 < daja77> cool
10:53 < maze_fan> the AP has values set for RTS and fragmentation threshold
10:53 < maze_fan> the NIC hasn't
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10:53 < maze_fan> AP: 2346 and 2347 respectively
10:53 < maze_fan> NIC: off and off
10:53 < daja77> ^^
10:54 < maze_fan> problem: the nic runs on linuxant which isn't able to set these values
10:54 < maze_fan> now I'm struggling to get a mozilla X-Forwarded to my work-machine to log in to my AP and change these values there
10:54 < daja77> ic
10:55 < maze_fan> I can't use w3m since the webinterface for administering the AP is heavily javascript-overkilled
10:55 < daja77> yep that's why I like mozex for editing on pages like that
10:56 < maze_fan> mozex is a console-browser with javascript support?
10:57 < daja77> no mozex is a mozilla extension which allows to use a real editor to edit textarea fields, and some other stuff
10:57 < daja77> so i can use vim to edit wikis
10:58 < netrunner> hm, hdo ist ueber die feiertage zu, wenn wir den termin verschieben koennten, macht die chefin extra fuer mich auf ...
10:58 < netrunner> argl
10:58 < daja77> :)
10:58 < maze_fan> daja77: that doesn't help me here, I need to just change those two values (select-boxes)
10:58 < daja77> ok just like to mention it
10:58 < maze_fan> daja77: no problem :)
11:00 < hopelessOwl> moin *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn*
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11:01 < maze_fan> moin moin
11:02 < hopelessOwl> hi blindy, ija 
11:02  * daja77 puts a cookie into owls open mouth
11:02 < ija> hi owl
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11:03 < hopelessOwl> daja77: pah :p *kick*
11:03  * daja77 notes to never give owl cookies again
11:04 < hopelessOwl> hehe. not while /me is yawning and my "magen signalisiert "magen-darm-grippe immer noch vorhanden"". 
11:05 < daja77> but while yawning it is the most fun
11:05 < hopelessOwl> pah :p 
11:33 < hopelessOwl> *gnarf* i want a sheet as a handkerchief. daja77 might you will get me some? :p
11:33  * maze_fan hands owl a sheet of paper
11:34 < hopelessOwl> thx. but this is dangerous... :p
11:34  * netrunner hands owl a billiboy-xl. known to be fluid-proof
11:35 < hopelessOwl> *lol* nah. thx.
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11:35 < hopelessOwl> .oO(that was too much for blindy's connection)
11:36 < maze_fan> no, the connecction is fine
11:36 < hopelessOwl> but....?
11:37 < maze_fan> it's the shit f8ucking drecksvereckte wlan-connection
11:37 < hopelessOwl> i said it :p
11:37 < maze_fan> the internet connection is fine
11:38 < hopelessOwl> yeah, the inet connection... but we all know that your wlan-connection works with drums and is unstable
11:38 < maze_fan> then if you know already, why don't you make positive suggestion on how to FIX it?
11:39 < hopelessOwl> have i wlan? no. 
11:39 < hopelessOwl> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/tol-10.12.03-002/
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11:41 < maze_fan> hopelessOwl: then it's time to learn something about it
11:42 < hopelessOwl> maze_fan: sure, if you give me the money to buy a wlan-router and pcmcia-card + pci-card
11:45 < maze_fan> hsopwill do, once you tell me where to find it
11:47 < hopelessOwl> hmmm. i think in the bundesdruckerei
11:47 < maze_fan> so if you already know, why don't you go there?
11:47 < hopelessOwl> hmmm. because i guess it's too much saved... and i don't want to be in prison (?)
11:48 < maze_fan> at least you wouldn't have to worry about life in prison, so it wouldn't be too bad a deal, would it?
11:48 < hopelessOwl> it would. 
11:49 < hopelessOwl> and - i guess - in prison there are "daily news", too
11:49 < maze_fan> but they wouldn't concern you anymore
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11:49 < maze_fan> because you're not affected by them anymore
11:51 < hopelessOwl> hmmmm. if i would go to the dentist, i guess i would be affected... (e.g. i would have to pay "gebuerhen pro quartal"... etc.)
11:51 < hopelessOwl> btw, i'm shocked: http://www.justizvollzug-bayern.de/JV/Anstalten/JVA_Neuburg_Herrenwoerth/ki/jva_nh << "our" JVA of my home-town
11:53 < maze_fan> no browser right now, please details
11:54 < hopelessOwl> you can get certificates there (e.g. for CAD-courses, computerfuerherschein), can do ausbildungen, get berufsschulunterricht, can get a schulabschluss etc.
11:57 < hopelessOwl> .oO(some "knastis" seems to have it better than some "azubis" *puke*)
11:58 < maze_fan> please, not into this channel
11:58 < maze_fan> who do you think will clean that up, hm?
11:58 < hopelessOwl> hehe. you :p
11:58 < maze_fan> Okay, that makes 500 EUR per day and person
11:58 < hopelessOwl> nah. don't have so much money
11:59 < maze_fan> then clkean up behind you yourself
11:59 < hopelessOwl> eh, i'm ill. i'm allowed to puke
12:00 < maze_fan> yes, but then you have to clean up
12:01 < hopelessOwl> nope. otherwise i will puke even more
12:01 < maze_fan> then don't do it in the first place
12:02 < hopelessOwl> hmm. i will do :p
12:02 < maze_fan> good
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12:07  * netrunner organizing easterhegg 04 in munich, anybody ideas wher I could get rooms?
12:07 < hopelessOwl> easterhegg????????
12:09 < maze_fan> easterhegg in munich? nice :)
12:10 < netrunner> yeah, still searching for rooms. join #ccc on irc.blafasel.de if you'd like to help. (ger)
12:10  * netrunner -> uni
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12:14 < maze_fan> hrm, signal level: -72dBm noise level: -74dBm
12:39 < cytrinox`-> moin
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12:45 < daja77> blindcoder is having irc sex ...
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13:28 < maze_fan> daja77: something like that
13:29 < maze_fan> and it doesn't satisfy me at all
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13:31 < LocalHero> Hi all
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13:37 < daja77> maze_fan: i said nothing about satisfaction :)
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13:37 < daja77> hey nebu joins blindy
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13:40 < maze_fan> daja77: yeah, now we're doing it together :)
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14:21 < daja77> hehe :)
14:28 < maze_fan> the network is now kinda stabble... 20% packet loss
14:30  * daja77 now playing around with openracer
14:35 < daja77> this sucks
14:37 < daja77> nice this src is two years old ... doesn't compile
14:37 < maze_fan> oh
14:37 < daja77> configure: error: Your copy of glx.h is out of date.  You can get a more recent copy from the latest Mesa distribution (http://mesa3d.sourceforge.net).
14:37 < daja77> wtf
14:37 < maze_fan> hehe
14:38 < daja77> first fix was to let configure search for tcl8.4 instead of 8.3 ...
14:38 < maze_fan> don't remind me of tcl...
14:38 < daja77> sorry _they_ did it
14:38 < maze_fan> we really should have a few symlinks tcl -> tcl8.4 tk -> wish -> a.s.o.
14:39 < daja77> yep in that case configure would have found it
14:39 < maze_fan> yeah, I had that with some other program, too
14:39 < daja77> autoconf crap ...
14:40 < maze_fan> indeed
14:41 < daja77> 14:38 < HolyMan> Debian Woody hat 'ne fertige Version mit drin
14:41 < daja77> 14:38 < daja77> das openracer projekt luft wohl nicht so gut
14:41 < daja77> 14:38 < HolyMan> .o(OK - das  ist vermutlich auch 2 Jahre alt...)
14:41 < daja77> ^^
14:42 < maze_fan> harr
14:43 < daja77> but true
14:44 < daja77> ok let's grad their prelease
14:45 < daja77> openracer multimedia release, whatever that means
14:46 < maze_fan> it sounds cool, doesn't it?
14:46 < daja77> yep and it is huge ...
14:47 < maze_fan> sound and raphics, I assume
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14:47 < daja77> yep
14:55 < daja77> 14:46 <+dmp> Why not use a distro that has a package for it?
14:55 < daja77> 14:46 <+dmp> Debian / RedHat do(did)
14:55 < daja77> grrrrr
14:58 < maze_fan> hehe
14:59 < maze_fan> <flame>because those distros suck</flame>
14:59 < daja77> nah i will not start such a flame on xbox-linux chan ^^
14:59 < daja77> only flamed a stupid australian there
15:00 < maze_fan> okay :)
15:02  * daja77 needs entertainment
15:03 < daja77> Mike: where are you?!
15:04 < daja77> weee clifford enabled ssl for flyspray and typo3
15:05  * Aard entertains daja with tabledancing
15:05 < daja77> thx Aard 
15:05  * daja77 watching
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15:06  * daja77 recently watched some cute girls do table dancing
15:08  * maze_fan hasn't seen any cute girls sunce last saturday
15:09  * daja77 received a phone call from his favourite some minutes ago
15:09 < daja77> ^^
15:10 < maze_fan> :(
15:10 < daja77> poor blindy
15:10 < rolla> re
15:10 < rolla> is rxr here?
15:10 < daja77> hi rolla
15:10 < maze_fan> hi rolla 
15:10 < maze_fan> rolla: don't think so
15:10 < daja77> not yet
15:10 < rolla> :(
15:19 < daja77> 15:09 < FluFF> about fdisk you can read this in the man page:
15:19 < daja77> 15:09 < FluFF>  fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things - usually
15:19 < daja77> 15:09 < FluFF>        it  happens  to  produce reasonable results.
15:19 < daja77> ah yes
15:19 < maze_fan> sounds about right
15:20 < daja77> :)
15:21 < maze_fan> no traffic jams on A9 right now... I hope that doesn't change
15:21 < daja77> smewher on the a9 there is traffic jam i guess ^^
15:22 < maze_fan> yeah, and if I'm lucky I'll crash right into it
15:22 < daja77> guess in the halle-leipzig area
15:22 < maze_fan> not the part I need to drive
15:22 < daja77> i know :p
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15:25 < daja77> this sucks, media tarball only contains pics and stuff, not a tiny bit of new src since 2001, crap
15:28 < maze_fan> hrm
15:29 < maze_fan> blecch, don't want to type 20 pages of documentation
15:29 < daja77> hm?
15:30 < maze_fan> for x in `seq 1 20` ; do echo "This page intentionally left blank" >> documentation.txt; done
15:30 < maze_fan> s/blank/blank^L/
15:31 < daja77> nice found a probable workaround on flightgear ml
15:31 < maze_fan> daja77: a project I've been doin at HVBinfo
15:32 < maze_fan> and now there are 4 days left with nothing to do --> writing documentation >_<
15:33 < daja77> m4 sucks
15:35 < maze_fan> yes, I hear that sometimes
15:37 < daja77> aaaaaargh
15:43 < maze_fan> hm?
15:48 < daja77> this auctoconf crap gives me the creeps
15:49 < maze_fan> heh, I know how you feel :)
15:49 < maze_fan> anyway, I'm leaving
15:49 < maze_fan> baba
15:49 < daja77> cu blindy
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15:59 < daja77> *yes* i fixed it
16:10 < esden> wee it works my tripple nested ssh/cat hack works!
16:10 < esden> hi all sbtw
16:21 < esden> and cu all ...
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17:04 < blindcoder> WEE! Brought packet loss to ~5%
17:10 < daja77> wb blindy :))
17:10  * daja77 played openracer meanwhile ^^
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20:08 < netrunner> http://www.runicsoft.com/images/scutr.jpg
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20:16 < hopelessOwl> blindcoder: how?
20:24 < rolla> re
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20:45 < netrunner> lalala
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20:50 < rolla> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5118676.html
20:50 < rolla> too cool
20:51 < John_Lennon> what's rock linux?
20:51 < netrunner> John_Lennon: a music style. like classic rock. ;)
20:52 < owl> *lol*
20:52 < netrunner> John_Lennon: a distribution build kit. see http://www.rocklinux.org for details.
20:52 < John_Lennon> thanks
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21:00 < rolla> guess he didn't like our kind of music
21:03 < owl> hahaha. poor boy
21:05 < rxr> re
21:06 < mnemoc> re
21:06 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
21:06 < mnemoc> hi rxr
21:06 < owl> hi rxr , mnemoc 
21:07 < rxr> hi owl 
21:07 < mnemoc> hi roastedOwl
21:08 < owl> roasted?
21:08  * mnemoc wants to eat an owl
21:09  * owl gives mnemoc some cheese-"platten"
21:10 < mnemoc> cool :)
21:10 < owl> hoeh? why cool? O_o
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21:11 < mnemoc> *g*
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21:14 < owl> hi Freak 
21:14 < Freak> at last!
21:14 < Freak> I shall return.
21:15 < Freak> I'm frustrated. my university doesn't serve me with a linux/ppc-vpn-client.
21:15 < rxr> Freak: hm?
21:15 < owl> you're studying? O_o
21:16 < Freak> rxr: yup.
21:16 < owl> Freak: use vmware and windows-vpn-software?
21:16 < Freak> university of karlsruhe doesn't have a ppc bin.
21:16 < rxr> Freak: use the ipsec 2.6 backport on linux 2.4 with the OpenBSD isakmpd
21:16 < Freak> uhm? vmware, windows, ppc?
21:16 < Freak> rxr: wtf?
21:17 < mnemoc> what kind of vpn do htey have?
21:17 < rxr> Freak: I guess your uni is using a checkpoint or simillar hw ip-sec solution ?
21:17 < daja77> hi Freak 
21:17 < rxr> hi daja77 
21:17 < daja77> hi rxr
21:17 < Freak> rxr: I have no idea.
21:17 < Freak> hey daja77
21:18 < owl> .oO(i feel reminded on fscking work *hrhr*)
21:19 < rxr> Freak: then just ask them ...
21:20 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:20 < mnemoc> hi blindy@tennis-balls-network
21:20 < rxr> me away consuming some food
21:20 < rxr> hi blindcoder 
21:20 < blindcoder> owl: I moved the AP to be directly above the NIC, changed the antennae to point downwards and switched from linuxant to ndiswrapper
21:20 < blindcoder> hi mnemoc 
21:20 < blindcoder> hi rxr
21:20 < daja77> Freak: how are you
21:20 < owl> wb blindy
21:21 < mnemoc> blindcoder: AND?
21:21 < rxr> ;-)
21:21 < blindcoder> mnemoc: <5% packet loss
21:21 < Freak> rxr: sorry, was a bit busy atm. I will. for sure. There must be a way. and then I shall return on linux/ppc ;)
21:21 < Freak> daja77: fine actually, thanks.
21:22 < daja77> good
21:22 < mnemoc> blindcoder: much better but still sucks :\
21:22 < blindcoder> btw: can anyone resolve www.animefiles.org?
21:23 < blindcoder> mnemoc: indeed, but it's wlan through a wall, so I think the only thing where I can still improve the connection would be a connection without any obstacles
21:23 < mnemoc> blindcoder: nope
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21:23 < mnemoc> blindcoder: have you tested on the same side of the wall?
21:24 < blindcoder> damn, and all that was left were 10 % >_<
21:25 < blindcoder> mnemoc: yes, there I had only a few lost packets in ping -c 50000 -f router
21:25 < blindcoder> < 50
21:25 < tcr> moin all
21:25 < blindcoder> moin tcr
21:25 < tcr> Pascal is such a crappy language
21:25 < daja77> hehe
21:25 < blindcoder> I liked pascal
21:26 < blindcoder> was the first language I programmed in
21:26 < daja77> modula is worse
21:26 < tcr> it doesn't seem to have string constants over several lines long
21:26 < mnemoc> blindcoder: gwbasic was cool :)
21:26 < blindcoder> hmm... afaik it hadn't
21:27 < blindcoder> mnemoc: yeah, learnt that a few months later
21:27 < blindcoder> didn't like it
21:28 < mnemoc> OMG the maillists of clip are in russian :(
21:29 < owl> clip?
21:29 < owl> url please?
21:29 < tcr> blindcoder, I find pascal's overwhelmingly-long-named keyword so annoying that I want to quit everytime I have to do something
21:29 < mnemoc> http://www.itk.ru/english/clip/aboutclip.shtml
21:29 < tcr> keywords
21:30 < mnemoc> a clipper elf compiler with native support for postgres, oreacle, etc.
21:31 < owl> ok... 
21:31 < owl> mailinglist? am i blind?
21:32 < mnemoc> http://www.itk.ru/english/subscribe.shtml :)
21:32 < blindcoder> tcr: example?
21:33 < owl> *hrhr* oki. 
21:33 < tcr> blindcoder, best example are the most annyoing begin/end's for block definition
21:34 < tcr> blocks are generally used a lot
21:34 < owl> mnemoc: might you should try icq and search for the names of the developer and add them... (most russian programmers i know use icq - even at work) - and try to get help by them, by this way
21:34 < blindcoder> tcr: hmm... I once heard of a C header file which translated Pascal into C...
21:35 < mnemoc> owl: thanks :)
21:35 < blindcoder> #define BEGIN {
21:35 < blindcoder> #define END }
21:35 < owl> de nada
21:35 < blindcoder> and such
21:35 < tcr> blindcoder, I bet that person didn't live long ;)
21:35 < blindcoder> hehe
21:41 < blindcoder> hmmm new version of both nethack and bzflag
21:42 < blindcoder> bzflag breaking backwards compatibility
21:47  * blindcoder waiting for saishu heiki kanojo LVP being ready :)
21:47 < blindcoder> *ding* there it is :)
21:47  * blindcoder back tomorrow
21:48 < blindcoder> good night!
21:49 < ija> good night blindcoder 
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22:10 < owl> gn8
22:12 < mnemoc> n8 owl 
22:12 < owl> gn8 mnemoc 
22:15 < rxr> re
22:15 < daja77> wb
22:20 < rxr> today I did more kword work then ROCK work ... 
22:27 < netrunner> n8
22:36 < daja77> can you send them fixes now?
22:57 < mnemoc> aaarg... i can't find the tarball of glibc-2.3.3 :(
23:06 < rxr> daja77: already send them two - but the mailing list manager does reply that my address is not subscribed - which it is ... - they wait for admin approval, now ...
23:17 < daja77> ic
23:19 < rxr> the sbp2 firewire driver seems to need DevFS fixes ...
23:19 < daja77> rxr: do you have a minute?
23:20 < rxr> jups
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23:23 < mnemoc> Either pick it up from your favourite distro, or grab it from CVS
23:23 < mnemoc> (that's where the vast majority of distros grab it from).
23:23 < mnemoc>  Jakub
23:29 < rxr> mnemoc: are those GNU dungs joking ?!?!?!?!?!?
23:31 < rxr> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:11:02 -0800 
23:31 < rxr> glibc release procedures are changing and still in the process of being
23:31 < rxr> hashed out.      
23:31 < rxr> Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
23:31 < mnemoc> :-|
23:32 < daja77> after i fixed tux/openracer i could do a package for it, any objections?
23:32 < rxr> nope
23:33 < daja77> ok but not today :)
23:43 < mnemoc> rxr: http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/libc/ChangeLog?cvsroot=glibc
23:43 < mnemoc> take a look to the deep descriptions to of the changelog
23:49 < mnemoc> i think i'll create glibc-devel package
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23:54 < ierk> re
23:55 < ierk> aaargh. I hate the installer (on the 3cd install set)
23:57 < mnemoc> ?
23:59 < ierk> mnemoc: i dl'ed the 3cds, burned them and tried to install. 
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