--- Log opened Thu Dec 11 00:00:37 2003
00:01 < ierk> at last it forced me to fix my tftpboot server
00:02 < ierk> the rock install had killed my only box with cdburner
00:04 < rxr> ierk: it is impossible that during extracting the packages the boot sector got touched
00:04 < rxr> setup stuff is only run after the installation of the packages
00:04 < rxr> it is more likely that you have a defective partition table or so
00:04 < rxr> but normal .gem installation can not do this
00:06 < ierk> rxr: well i suspect it touched my existing grup 1.5stage or 2nd stage files and screwed them up
00:07 < rxr> you install into an installed system ?
00:07 < ierk> rxr: i reused /boot 
00:07 < ierk> rxr: what worked fine with tsl, mdk and gentoo sofar.
00:08 < mnemoc> how far did you get in the installation?
00:08 < ierk> nmemonic: the extraction of rock-src failed, and every file there after
00:08 < ierk> read errors on the cd
00:10 * mnemoc never tested an installation with a damaged cd 
00:10 < rxr> mnemoc: the .gem files just get not extracted and errors listed ...
00:10 < ierk> mnemoc: i did not want to do that either ;-)
00:11 < rxr> I should never share /boot - all the dists will overwrite each others kernels ...
00:11 < rxr> (and maybe other files)
00:11 < ierk> rxr: no they will not. at last it's very unlikely. they will overwrite grub.config and the grub stage files, but that's usually ok
00:12 < rxr> most dists have /boot/vmlinu{x,z} ...
00:13 < rxr> and I would not like to have the other mentioned files overwriten, too ...
00:13 < mnemoc> "but that's usually ok"???
00:14 < rxr> hm - the redhat grub has crashed quite often on me - so for me this is not ok ...
00:17 < ierk> if the 1.5th and 2nd stage grub files are overwritten it does not matter, unless grub 1st stage is never reinstaller properly
00:17 < ierk> and i've a backup of my grub config anyway
00:17 < ierk> rxr: never tried redhat since 6.2
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00:18 < rxr> I just had to work with some of those "strange systems"
00:26 < ierk> can i somehow recover the hossed instalation?
00:26 < ierk> e.g. install the kernel and just boot it or will that not work?
00:36 < rxr> grub config should be created and grub install in STONE
00:36 < rxr> just reburn the CD3 and finish the installation ?
00:41 < ierk> it was cd2. does the installer detect the hossed instalation?
00:42 < rxr> jups - it should
00:42 < rxr> and list only new packages for an "update" installation
00:43 < ierk> rxr: can i use the "Server" target is i just want to compile rock for amd64?
00:44 < ierk> 4
00:46 < rxr> ierk: I would start with the minmal package template
00:46 < mnemoc> you can use generic with minimal template too
00:46 < rxr> but you also could use the server - but the server target has not yet been in wide use and might not include such an optimal package selection ...
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00:48 < ierk> rxr: iirc the cds only offer workstation or server
00:49 < ierk> and i just found the initrd/vmlinux-2.4.22-rock in my /boot. so maybe i'll just try to boot that ;-)
00:52 < rxr> ah this is your Q
00:52 < rxr> sure if you use a server or workstation host should not matter
00:52 < rxr> I thought you wanted to know if you should "build" server of generic ...
00:55 < mnemoc> ierk: remember ROCKLinux is not a distribution
00:56 < ierk> mnemoc: i'm just about to firue out what it is ;-)
00:56 < ierk> btw: the manual did not realy help
00:57 < mnemoc> the 'handbook'?
00:58 < ierk> yes the handbook
00:58 < rxr> ierk: whas some part confusing? too much or too less information ?
01:00 < ierk> rxr: too little information
01:00 < ierk> now i booted mt hossed instalation but it lakes mount
01:00 < ierk> i'll burn some new cds now
01:02 < rxr> I guess within some days I'll have rewritten the wohle KWord table layout code ...
01:09 < rxr> ok - me off to bed
01:09 < rxr> cu today - maybe in the morning - but definetly in the evening ...
01:12 < mnemoc> cu rxr 
01:12 < ierk> n8 rxr
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02:08 < ierk> ok, the server package selection has to be reworked
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04:34 < MadTux_> moin
04:34 < MadTux_> ping mnemoc
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07:02 < MadTux_> hi nebu
07:02 < MadTux_> n00kie!
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07:33 < MadTux_> ji jsaw
07:33 < jsaw> hi MadTux_
07:34 < jsaw> I really appreciate that you started cleaning up from the base!
07:34 < MadTux_> ?
07:35 < MadTux_> you mean my earlier patches
07:35 < MadTux_> ?
07:35 < jsaw> yes you patches. minimal and stuff
07:35 < MadTux_> well i reduced over 200MB from minimal..
07:36 < jsaw> I mean, rfc's in minimal? That was long overdue.
07:36 < MadTux_> and as you noticed i'm trying to take care of alpha, SPARC, and UltraSPARC ports, as their maintainers seem not to be giving then much attention
07:37 < MadTux_> jsaw: btw minimal was just my beggining, but believe, you will hear from me when the time for gnome comes :)
07:37 < jsaw> hehe
07:37 < jsaw> yeah. That's another step: cleaning up gnome.
07:38 < MadTux_> jsaw: well when i was maintainer i didn't clean it up, don't know how much progress youve made since its ur job :)
07:39 < jsaw> well, ~170 packages in gnome24...
07:39 < jsaw> some cleanups done, but so many new packages...
07:39 < MadTux_> yeah
07:39 < jsaw> a lot more to cleanup now...
07:39 < MadTux_> i will try to help you :)
07:40 < MadTux_> just keep in mind that base and ports will be my main work field
07:40 < jsaw> But first prio is to get a good running gnome. The real cleanup will take place when we have a more fine grained category system.
07:40 < MadTux_> well plus something mnemoc and I are planning, and maybe the server target
07:41 < jsaw> btw, server target. is anybody running pppoe currently on rock? I mean, there's no pppoe package?
07:41 < blindcoder> moin moin
07:41 < jsaw> hi blindcoder
07:41 * blindcoder was running pppoe
07:41 < MadTux_> hi blindy
07:42 < blindcoder> I installed ROCK in an existing network and installed pppoe manually
07:42 < blindcoder> moin jsaw 
07:42 < blindcoder> moin MadTux_ 
07:42 < MadTux_> i have nmo clue, still server target needs a whole re-creation.. there is many planning and work to do on it
07:42 < jsaw> blindcoder: which pppoe, the rp-pppoe?
07:42 < blindcoder> jsaw: yes
07:44 < jsaw> blindcoder: I'll try to do the pppoe package + rocknet support for it. I guess I'll cook sth up in the next two weeks. I appoint you as my beta tester now :)
07:45 < blindcoder> jsaw: I have gotten myself a router in the meantime
07:45 < blindcoder> jsaw: still, I can test it using my laptop
07:45 < MadTux_> :)
07:45 < blindcoder> jsaw: feel free to send those to me
07:45 < jsaw> good :))
07:45 < MadTux_> blindcoder, not only the channel mascot but also jsaw test subject :)
07:47 < MadTux_> ok /me rocking
07:48 < jsaw> oh no, not again a ddos on sco...
07:49 < MadTux_> mmhh?
07:49 < jsaw> http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/11/032206.shtml?tid=126&tid=187&tid=88&tid=95
07:49 < blindcoder> jsaw: sco on /. again?
07:50 < blindcoder> MadTux_: since when have I become the channel masco o_0
07:50 < jsaw> (well, there's no day w/o sco on /. - but - I don't like that DOSing sco may be referred to the open source community)
07:51 < MadTux_> blindcoder: well daja77 stated you were since several months ago...
07:51 < blindcoder> MadTux_: hrm... must have put that into "selective anmesia" :)
07:52 < MadTux_> blindcoder: heheh :)
07:52 < MadTux_> blindcoder: query
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07:53 < blindcoder> jsaw: oh, there was a _real_ DDoS on sco
07:53 < blindcoder> jsaw: I thought it was only a story on /.
07:55 < jsaw> yep. But actually I'm not sure, if it's self produced (now that their investor trust goes down)
07:56 < blindcoder> might just be
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07:57 < brianinmaine> userlist
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08:19 < jsaw> argl: Cksum ERROR: download/base/linux24/i2c-2.8.1-2.4.23-rxr2.patch.bz2.cksum-err
08:19 < blindcoder> that's bad
08:19 < Madtux> jsaw: you are using latest svn?
08:19 < jsaw> just updated. yes.
08:20 < Madtux> mm..  i think i read mail from rxr to the list stating this was fixed ?
08:20 < blindcoder> 1074 builds total, 669 completed fine, 3 with errors.
08:21 < blindcoder> rev. 1896
08:22 < Madtux> blindcoder: what are the 3 errors?
08:24 < blindcoder> 0-prelink, 5-ffmpeg and 5-mono
08:24 < blindcoder> prelink and mono should be fixed by now, and seahorse will also fail
08:24 < blindcoder> nope
08:24 < jsaw> which is disabled in the meantime...
08:24 < blindcoder> not 5-mono
08:24 < Madtux> bc ok prelink is fixed.
08:24 < blindcoder> this is already 5-seahorse
08:24 < Madtux> seahorse?
08:24 < jsaw> yeah, seahorse is disabled with current rev.
08:24 < blindcoder> seahorse can be fixed by downgrading gpgme to 0.3.1
08:24 < blindcoder> seahorse can be fixed by downgrading gpgme to 0.3.14
08:24 < Madtux> wasn't it crazyhorse?
08:25 < blindcoder> Madtux: :)
08:25 < Madtux> ;-)
08:25 < jsaw> why should we? gpa is there. I wait until seahorse gets upgraded.
08:26 < blindcoder> personally, gpa was quite unstable for me, so I installed a second gpgme into /opt/seahorse
08:26 < jsaw> okay. that's a good reason to reactivate seahorse -> now on my TODO.
08:27 < blindcoder> :)
08:27 < blindcoder> okay, what tool does red hat AS use to configure runlevels?
08:28 < jsaw> chkconfig?
08:28 < jsaw> (that's what I read just seconds ago on the rp-pppoe hp, at least)
08:28 < blindcoder> ah, yes it is, thanks
08:29 < Madtux> ok kids i will be semi present now. /me wants to get some more work done for rock
08:29 < blindcoder> I just typed stone and wondered why it said "command not found" >_<
08:29 < blindcoder> Madtux: good luck :)
08:29 < jsaw> muahahaha
08:30 < Madtux> blindcoder: guess i'll need it? :)
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08:31 < blindcoder> Madtux: it can't hurt :)
08:31 * blindcoder has to fight with initrd for lvp next
08:31 < Madtux> blindcoder: yeah you are right 
08:32 < Madtux> blidy have fun with "stone" :P
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08:32 < blindcoder> Madtux: I'm already done with that machine, so the pain is gone by now :)
08:32 < Madtux> okis :)
09:00 < blindcoder> koffice takes almost 2 hours to build >_<
09:03 < Madtux> holy...
09:04 < blindcoder> indeed
09:08 < Madtux> mmm.. new dietlibc version.. i better mail esden to update, don't wanna get into all that mess *g*
09:14 < blindcoder> ls -l
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09:15 < netrunner> no files found
09:15 < Madtux> -bash: ls: command not found
09:15 < Madtux> hi nety
09:16 < netrunner> hi madman
09:16 < Madtux> ;-)
09:22 < blindcoder> moin netti
09:23 < blindcoder> hmm... initrd doesn't look too difficult...
09:24 < blindcoder> I'll just rip it out of bootdisk again :)
09:24 < Madtux> hehehe
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10:24 < jsaw> bbl
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10:33 < rxr> re
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10:34 < Madtux> hi rxr
10:39 < blindcoder> moin rxr
10:40 < blindcoder> just for the record, I won't update nethack and bzflag right now
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10:41 < blindcoder> moin clifford 
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10:50 < rxr> hi clifford 
10:51 < Madtux> blindcoder: lazy boy
10:51 < Madtux> hello clifford
10:52 < Madtux> rxr: thanks for taking care of my patches so quickly.
10:52 < blindcoder> Madtux: not really, but bzfflag breaks all backward compatibility and nethack would probably introduce a quite big patch
10:53 < Madtux> blindy sort off figured that out, just wanted to bug you :)
10:53 < Madtux> ah well, its nice to be rocking again :)
10:54 < Madtux> Need to do stuff, bbl
10:55 < blindcoder> hdhd :)
10:55 < blindcoder> hehe
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11:14 < netrunne1> hi clifford 
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11:15 < rxr> i
11:16 < blindcoder> roo update? again?
11:16 < blindcoder> narf
11:17 < blindcoder> irssi
11:18 < rxr> hm?
11:18 < blindcoder> wasn't there just an irssi update?
11:25 < rxr> jups but why r ? ;-)
11:25 < blindcoder> tried to type irssi on a de keyboard with dvorak layout in mind (and even made two typos >_<=
11:27 < blindcoder> is it somehow possible to cut back on kde-compile time? almost one hour per package is quite a lot >_<
11:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: as always, buy a faster cpu ;)
11:28 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... I could try to hack together a kernel module to use the GPU for additional power :)
11:29 < blindcoder> since I have aGF4MX sitting there and idling
11:29 < netrunner> blindcoder: smp cuts about half here. koffice took 1,5h while parallel building another pkg
11:30 < blindcoder> koffice took >2hours
11:30 < blindcoder> kopete 50 minutes
11:30 < netrunner> 20:33 builder: building job '5-koffice' (15961) .. 22:19 builder: finished job '5-koffice' (ok)
11:30 < blindcoder> kdevelop is now a bit under an hour
11:30 < blindcoder> and still running
11:32 < rxr> blindcoder: you need to speedup g++ to speedup the build of kde ...
11:34 < blindcoder> damn *snif* my poor laptop... It will have to cope up with another day with Windows >_<
11:36 < rxr> hm ...
11:36 < rxr> cu 
11:37 < blindcoder> baba
12:05 < blindcoder> okay, I think I know how I'll make the initrd thing :)
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12:16 < MadTux> re
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13:24 < daja77> re
13:30 < maze_fan> moin daja
13:32 < daja77> hi blindy
13:34 < maze_fan> ah, two hours until doubled weekend ^^
13:34 < daja77> hehe
13:35 < maze_fan> then three days work, and weekend again :)
13:35 < owl> hi 
13:35 < daja77> and you say you have no time ^^
13:35 < daja77> hi owl
13:35 < owl> hi daja77 
13:36 * owl shares a 1,5 l bottle of strawberry-wine with #rocklinux . someone wants?
13:36 < daja77> don't drink and work ^^
13:37 < maze_fan> hi owl
13:37 < maze_fan> daja77: it's something that has only been decided half an hour ago
13:37 < maze_fan> and maybe I have to work tomorrow and monday anyway, also not 100% sure yet
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13:37 < maze_fan> hi owl
13:37 * maze_fan stops working
13:37 < owl> hoeh? why work? hi maze_fan 
13:37 < maze_fan> I'd like some wine :)
13:38 < owl> *moving over some ml of wine to blindy*
13:38 * maze_fan taking the bottle from owl other hand and fills himself a coffee cup with it
13:38 < owl> hmm. or so
13:40 < maze_fan> the ndiswrapper still seems quite unstable
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13:46 * daja77 yawns
13:47 * maze_fan also yawns
13:47 < daja77> hehe rocklinux yawns club
13:48 * kleinesArschloch pukes
13:48 < kleinesArschloch> someone wants to join the pukes club? 
13:48 < daja77> yeah
13:50 < maze_fan> nah
13:51 < daja77> blindy prefers to drink i guess
13:52 < kleinesArschloch> hmm
13:55 < rxr> re
13:57 < daja77> hi rxr
13:58 < maze_fan> wb rxr
14:23 < maze_fan> just a quick question out of lazyness: are the kde .wav's free to use?
14:27 < rxr> re
14:27 < rxr> maze_fan: I guess they are GPL
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14:29 < cytrinox`> moin
14:30 < netrunner> hm, 60 days uptime are to much, let's reboot :)
14:31 < maze_fan> rxr: cool, then I can use them for LVP :)
14:36 * daja77 now off to orga meeting, having to convince them of my rock based concept ^^
14:36 < maze_fan> daja77: good luck!
14:36 < daja77> thx
14:39 < rxr> maze_fan: new nick ??
14:39 < maze_fan> rxr: only temporary
14:40 < maze_fan> this is my nick on apollo.bingo-ev.de and my home machine seems to have oops'ed
14:40 < rxr> oh - which kernel
14:40 < maze_fan> 2.4.22 with ndiswrapper
14:41 < maze_fan> the ndiswrapper 0.2 isn't really stable yet but the cvs version was buggy yesterday evening but has been fixed during today
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14:41 < maze_fan> and around 13:18 the machine died
14:43 < maze_fan> although according to the router the MAC address is still active
14:44 < maze_fan> maybe somewhere deeeep within some scripts of mine it reset the ip-address to 192.168.0.1 which is wrong
14:44 < maze_fan> just as the mach9ine keeps trying to load the module ppp0 every few seconds
14:46 < maze_fan> I really should reinstall the machine at 20C3
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15:02 < netrunner> re
15:03 < maze_fan> re netti
15:03 < rolla> re
15:04 < maze_fan> moin rolla 
15:31 * maze_fan going home
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16:06 < rxr> cu
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17:08 < holyolli> moin
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18:16 < mnemoc> re
18:36 < rxr> rfe
18:38 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
18:39 < daja77> wb rxr 
18:39 < rxr> hi daja77 
18:39 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rxr
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20:08 < mnemoc> *yawn*
20:22 < daja77> :)
20:24 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
20:25 < daja77> again?
20:25 < mnemoc> yep, again
20:25 < daja77> ok ^^
20:25 < mnemoc> like an smile
20:26 < daja77> me too
20:26 < mnemoc> do you have time to read some chaoting notes about vROCK?
20:26 < mnemoc> and *comment* :)
20:27 * daja77 currently patching tuxracer, but show me
20:27 < mnemoc> mail addr?
20:27 < daja77> daja@rocklinux.org ^^
20:27 < mnemoc> :(
20:28 < daja77> hm?
20:28 < rolla> re
20:28 < daja77> wb rolla 
20:28 < mnemoc> wb rolla 
20:28 < rolla> thanks
20:28 < mnemoc> daja77: i would kill for one of those
20:29 < mnemoc> sent
20:29 < daja77> you just have to ask clifford
20:29 < mnemoc> i did but he never answered :(
20:30 < daja77> i convinced him in this chan
20:30 < daja77> took 15min :))
20:30 * netrunner awaits clifford since 30 mins. now starting to iron :)
20:31 < netrunner> that new printer works perfectly
20:31 < mnemoc> model?
20:32 < daja77> netrunner: he is coming to you today, right?
20:32 < netrunner> kyocera fs1020d
20:32 < netrunner> daja77: true.
20:33 < netrunner> who of you has time to join a small  meeting at my place saturday evening?
20:33 * daja77 confused by mnemoc's mail
20:34 < mnemoc> *chaoting* notes 
20:34 < daja77> :)
20:36 < daja77> can you explain what this is really for
20:37 < mnemoc> i didn't tell you?
20:37 < daja77> no
20:37 < mnemoc> vROCK is a project/feature for proposing on 2.1
20:38 < mnemoc> for turning any target for running on not standad envs
20:38 < mnemoc> like livecd, vservers, uml, etc..
20:39 < daja77> how would help vROCK on a livecd
20:40 < mnemoc> you desing a target for a real machine with sth. installed on HD
20:41 < mnemoc> and it will make it boot and run from your cd or dvd
20:41 < daja77> i somehow don't get the idea
20:42 < daja77> too dumb atm i guess
20:42 < daja77> or too sleepy
20:42 < daja77> or both
20:42 < mnemoc> the idea is to have 'enviroment' independet targets
20:43 < mnemoc> if we create... drock-lite for running on small desktop computers
20:43 < daja77> ah k. sort of getting it now
20:43 < mnemoc> you focus on integration
20:43 < mnemoc> and install in that old p200 with hd
20:44 < mnemoc> BUT doing a check on config that exact target will be ready for creating the iso and boot
20:44 < mnemoc> and run as i would do from rw harddrive
20:45 < mnemoc> it
20:45 < mnemoc> or a target which is a mail server
20:46 < mnemoc> a click, Build-Target and get it ready for running inside chroot or vserver
20:46 < mnemoc> without unneeded stuff
20:46 < daja77> sorry, we should talk about that later, /me too tired for that really
20:47 < mnemoc> don't worry
20:47 < daja77> ok thx
20:47 < mnemoc> gdid you got part of the idea?
20:47 < daja77> yes parts, but i can't open my mind for it atm *sigh*
20:47 < mnemoc> :) midnight?
20:48 < mnemoc> mmm
20:48 < mnemoc> forget that
20:48 < daja77> no 9pm, but i've slept only 4h last night, and had to get up early
20:50 < mnemoc> i'll bother you tomorow then
20:52 < daja77> if i am around tomorrow :)
20:52 * daja77 has a date tomorrow
20:52 < mnemoc> :o
20:53 < mnemoc> do even think of being here tomorrow :)
20:53 < mnemoc> don't
20:54 < daja77> hehe :)
20:54 < daja77> maybe earlier
20:55 < mnemoc> maybe
20:55 < daja77> :)
21:24 < rxr> dicre
21:26 < daja77> hm?
21:46 < rxr> re
21:46 < rxr> where dic was in the terminal because the mouse over window focus placed it accidently there ...
21:46 < rxr> was dict.leo.org ... ;-)
21:46 < rxr> so a STONE ROCK Net setup beast is in SVN now - quite basic for now ...
21:46 < rxr> if someone wants to give it a try ...
21:47 < daja77> try dict.tu-chemnitz.de as well :)
21:49 < rxr> daja77: yeah - go it ;-)
21:49 < rxr> hm - imprssive how much data my apache for www.rocklinux-consulting.de pushes into the net ...
21:49 < daja77> :))
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21:50 < rxr> Sept: 423.94 MB, Oct: 554.38 MB, Nov: 1.09 GB, Dec (so far): 631.22 MB ...
21:51 < daja77> btw http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/service/xmas.html 
21:51 < daja77> have fun
21:52 < daja77> maybe we should create one for rock next year ^^
21:52 < rxr> cool - people sarching for "linux handbook" from Google got to my site ;-)
21:53 < daja77> cool
21:53 * daja77 working on the xmas calender page about tuxracer
21:54 < daja77> hmm nice tutorials indeed
21:54 * daja77 met the girl who set it up today, so i do some propaganda now ^^
21:56 < daja77> rxr: you know this sweet program? http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/service/xmas.html?10
21:57 < daja77> rofl http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/service/xmas.html?12
21:57 < daja77> ok stop now
21:58 < rxr> jups
21:58 < daja77> the author is a dr here at university :)
21:59 < rxr> then I should better not comment about it ;-)
21:59 < daja77> hehe
21:59 < rxr> it is a good dr? And in which field?
21:59 < daja77> networking
22:00 < daja77> yes he is good at it
22:00 < daja77> nice to have lectures by him
22:00 < daja77> but yes his ui sucks ^^
22:01 < daja77> he was at rock booth shorty at linuxtag
22:01 < rxr> oh ;-)
22:02 < daja77> well only because he knows me :))
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23:02 < mnemoc> what should be run first autoconf or automake?
23:04 < daja77> autoconf
23:04 < daja77> iirc
23:07 < mnemoc> thanks... and... do you know the method or attribute to get the typename of a javascript object?
23:07 < daja77> no
23:07 < mnemoc> :(
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23:21 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
23:22 < daja77> aaaargs, /me forgot how to define #defines in autoconf
23:27 < mnemoc> hi rxr
23:30 < daja77> or better to say how to get the parameters
23:52 < daja77> AAAAARGH
23:53 < daja77> autoconf + tcl build system is really disgusting
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23:53 < A-Tui> hi all
23:53 < cytrinox`> gn8
23:54 < mnemoc> daja77: how 'complex' can a build script become to *need* using 'higher level languages'
23:54 < daja77> i dunno
23:55 < daja77> the niciest piece of crap is that when you define a var with _ it breaks
23:55 < mnemoc> o_O
23:56 < daja77> but in order to get it fixed it would be nice to define DATA_DIR
23:56 < daja77> they hardcoded it
23:56 < daja77> suckers
23:56 < mnemoc> using _ in var names is part of my dna
23:56 < mnemoc> :o
23:56 < daja77> it breaks the tcl part of the build
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