--- Log opened Sat Dec 13 00:00:14 2003
00:10 < rxr> re
00:11 < mnemoc> wb rxr
00:12 < mnemoc> rxr: can i 'interrogate' you about pending patches or another day?
00:19 < rxr> mnemoc: i know some are pending ;-)
00:19 < rxr> mnemoc: gcc and linux extra verision at least
00:20 < rxr> cou can paste a reminder in a querry - I'll continue to go thru them this weekend
00:20 < mnemoc> but to avoid resending of the other crap
00:20 < rxr> but I want to tune rockplug for a new release and thus a new update in ROCK
00:20 < rxr> to tag -rc4 this weekend ...
00:20 < mnemoc> i would like to know if some of them they were scheduled for 2.1 ;)
00:21 < mnemoc> ok
00:21 < rxr> mnemoc: jups - no resent needed my rock-linux archive goes down to "Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:48:41 +0200 (CEST)" and more in a tarball ;-)
00:21 < mnemoc> OT: the ML Archive seems to be 'down'
00:21 < rxr> nope both patches can go into 2.0
00:21 < rxr> mnemoc: on www.rocklinux.org ?
00:21 < rxr> or .net
00:21 < mnemoc> yep
00:21 < mnemoc> blank screen
00:21 < rxr> Mail Clifford, CC rock-linux ;-)
00:22 < mnemoc> k
00:23 < mnemoc> 00:25 hrs there? (to fix timezone of my mails when querying you)
00:23 < sekhmet> Mirror autodetection on current subversion seems to be a bit tetchy
00:24 < mnemoc> ?
00:25 < sekhmet> Doing the download step at the moment, it tried to pick the best mirror for me and picked one of the worst instead.
00:25 < mnemoc> the number is throuput not latency ;)
00:26 < sekhmet> Be that as it may; my downloads were crawling along at a pitiful rate until I told it which mirror I wanted by hand.  :)
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00:26 < mnemoc> ehm
00:27 < A-Tui> hola
00:27 < mnemoc> hi A-Tui 
00:28 < A-Tui> hola  mnemoc
00:30 < mnemoc> sekhmet: you are wellcome to add that bug into flyspray
00:31 < sekhmet> I'll see if I can actually reproduce it first.
00:32 < sekhmet> Could also be a fluke.  Perhaps when it ran the autodetection the mirror it chose really *was* the fastest, and I had just gotten lucky for the test or something.
00:58 < daja77> re
00:59 < rxr> rehi daja77 
01:00 < daja77> hi rxr
01:00 * daja77 is still single ...
01:01 < mnemoc> :(
01:02 < mnemoc> will you have a 2nd. 'meeting'?
01:02 < daja77> this was the third or so
01:03 < daja77> i'll see her on monday, well
01:05 < mnemoc> :-)
01:05 < daja77> will see if we will be friends ...
01:07 < daja77> anyway will go to bed now
01:08 < mnemoc> go to rest daja77 
01:54 < rxr> mnemoc: what was the response of the iproute2 people?
01:54 < rxr> mnemoc: any news or status?
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02:02 < mnemoc> rxr: absolutly abandoned
02:02 < mnemoc> -ahu is newest but also abandoned
02:02 < mnemoc> ahu is the guy of lartc.org
02:03 < mnemoc> we should take from it the dhclient-script... it's ifconfig based but it us functions so it's easier to hack for using iproute2
02:05 < rxr> mnemoc: why is iproute2 abondone ?
02:05 < mnemoc> they don't have time to mantain it
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02:06 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - good that I had not yet a problem with it ...
02:06 < mnemoc> -ahu has some hotfixes... i'll try to update to it these days
02:08 < rxr> ok now I have my first problem
02:09 < mnemoc> ?
02:09 < rxr> ip can not set the metric with ip addr add IP dev DEV ...
02:09 < rxr> for routes it can - but not for routes created with the interface
02:09 < rxr> or overread I some bit?
02:10 < mnemoc> try using it.. doc is cryptic :)
02:11 < rxr> ip addr does help does not list the keyword
02:11 < rxr>  ip addr add 192.168.1.99/24 dev eth1 metric 2
02:11 < rxr> Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "metric" is a garbage.
02:11 < mnemoc> :(
02:12 < mnemoc> ip_addr_add_metric.patch :)
02:12 < rxr> do you have such a patch ?
02:13 < mnemoc> nope :( will you?
02:13 < rxr> I take a look if your iproute2 update brings it
02:13 < rxr> if not I might do it ...
02:15 < rxr> hm - using some
02:15 < rxr> ip route del ...
02:15 < rxr> ip route add ...
02:15 < rxr> I can configure such a "interface metric" as I wish and ifconfig can do, too
02:15 < mnemoc> two lines config is not so bad
02:16 < rxr> but I want to have metric as keyword in rocknet
02:16 < rxr> and I do not want to mess with the ip-address and compute the network part depending on the /x in bash
02:16 < rxr> I want this ip just do this as it should ...
02:17 < mnemoc> sure
02:18 < rxr> have you taken a look into the rocknet stone module=
02:21 < mnemoc> no time yet :| 
02:22 * mnemoc looking ipaddress.c
02:29 < rxr> due to the metric stuff ?
02:30 < mnemoc> yep
02:32 < rxr> thanks
02:38 < mnemoc> iproute.c and ipaddress.c are coded using different helper functions... pretty weird
02:40 < mnemoc> match() vs. strcmp()
02:40 < mnemoc> addattr32() vs. addattr_l()
02:41 < mnemoc> but i think a 'blind' copy&paste can work
02:43 < mnemoc> no, i won't
02:43 < mnemoc> it
02:48 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe I shoudl rewrite it using C++ ? ;-)
02:48 < mnemoc> iproute3 :)
02:49 < mnemoc> btw, the code is beautiful
02:50 < rxr> beautiful C code?
02:52 < mnemoc> this particular piece of C code is beautiful
02:52 < rxr> 02:39 < mnemoc> iproute.c and ipaddress.c are coded using different helper 
02:52 < rxr>                 functions... pretty weird
02:53 < mnemoc> :)
02:53 < mnemoc> they are beautiful as separated pieces ;)
02:56 < rxr> uups - quite late
03:13 < rxr> in a few seconds I'm off for tonight ..
03:16 < mnemoc> i'll sleep tonight.. four days without sleeping :|
03:17 < rxr> mnemoc: oh! Why?
03:17 < mnemoc> did you know i delete two months of work last friday?
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03:19 < mnemoc> i finish 70% of that these days and have *the* meeting today
03:19 < dreamind> Hi
03:19 < mnemoc> hi dreamind 
03:19 < dreamind> Hi mnemoc
03:20 < rxr> oh - I missed this
03:20 < rxr> may I ask what kind of work?
03:21 < mnemoc> c# mssql2k web app
03:21 < rxr> ah
03:22 < rxr> a new ROCK Handbook is now at: 
03:22 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/
03:23 < mnemoc> i had a backup of a mini-framework i developed so i didn't loose the whole two month... 'only' the database and the job-directly-related code
03:26 < rxr> congratulations that you already have 70% back.
03:26 < rxr> I need to sleep now ... - cu today or so
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03:30 < mnemoc> tag chooser??
03:31 < mnemoc> i have to see that stone mod
03:31 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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03:58 < sekhmet> Seems one has to be root during the Build process, on account of some chroots that happen.
03:59 < sekhmet> Apparently I can't just re-do a ./scripts/Build-Target as root, as it attempts a chroot right away and can't find bin/bash or something...
03:59 < sekhmet> ... how can I restart the process an start things building properly as root again?
04:09 < sekhmet> Aah, ./scripts/Cleanup -full seems to do the trick...
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11:05 < netrunner> anybody awake?
11:09 < nookie> jo
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11:57 < daja77> moin
12:13 < rxr> re
12:13 < rxr> moin daja77 
12:13 < rxr> wow
12:13 < rxr> http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux%20handboo
12:14 < rxr> +k even
12:14 < daja77> hi rxr :)
12:20 < rxr> daja77: have you looked at the google URL above? ,)
12:20 < daja77> no
12:20 < daja77> hmm nice
13:09 < netrunner> today devmeeting at my house.
13:09 < daja77> cool
13:09 < netrunner> daja77: you come?
13:10 < daja77> no
13:10 < netrunner> :(
13:10 < daja77> too far away
13:10 < netrunner> start now, be here in tonight :)
13:11 < daja77> not in the mood actually
13:12 < daja77> lost the girl i loved last night
13:23 < praenti> hi
13:23 < praenti> netrunner: i have read your mail, but i'm afraid that i cannot come :-(
13:23 < daja77> hi praenti 
13:23 < netrunner> hi praenti :(
13:23 < netrunner>  "nobody likes me" (quot blindcoder)
13:24 < daja77> huh?
13:24 < praenti> netrunner: i asked blindcoder but he doesn't have time, so i'm sitting here in IN
13:24 < praenti> netrunner: with esden the same
13:25 < daja77> no bus?
13:25 < netrunner> praenti: esden and blindcoder also won't come? :(
13:25 < praenti> netrunner: yes. 
13:25 * netrunner redesigning rocklinux alone with clifford :)
13:26 < praenti> esden will come to IN cause he has s.th to do there and blindcoder doesn't have time time to come to munich
13:26 < praenti> netrunner: another idea, come to IN? I think there will be more than one
13:26 < praenti> :-)
13:27 < netrunner> praenti: but I think you three have no time?
13:27 < praenti> praenti: i wuold have the time but no money to pay the fuel for my car...
13:28 < praenti> perhaps blindcoder will also be at the meeting if i convince him
13:30 < netrunner> praenti: convince him to take you to muc. say we need him desperately.
13:30 < praenti> netrunner: wait a minute. he will come in channel in about 5 minutes
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13:35 < blindcoder> moin
13:35 < daja77> moin blindy
13:35 < dennis> hi blindcoder 
13:35 < praenti> hi
13:36 < dennis> hi praenti 
13:36 < praenti> i have opened a channel #rocklinux-in-muc
13:38 < rxr> re
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13:47 < blindcoder> moin rxr
13:50 < praenti> ok. dev meeting in munich is tomorrow 14:00 CET at netrunners home
13:51 < rxr> praenti: ROCK dev meeting ?
13:51 < netrunner> blindcoder: cum tempore ~ about at that time, ... with 15 minutes fuzz :)
13:52 < netrunner> rxr: you come? 
13:53 < praenti> rxr: a dev meeting organized by netrunner for the people living near munich
13:56 < rxr> just for fun - or with a specific topic?
13:57 < praenti> netrunner: topic?
13:59 < praenti> rxr: netrunner has s.th said that clifford will also be in munich. so a topic is existing i think
14:00 < blindcoder> hmm... download from mirror failed, dl from original source also >_<
14:04 < rxr> netrunner: nah - no time and less money ...
14:04 < rxr> CCC is only some days away ...
14:05 < blindcoder> 13 days to be exact
14:05 < daja77> do we havet register personally for CCC?
14:05 < blindcoder> no
14:06 < praenti> daja77: no. i will register 25 people for ROCK Linux
14:06 < daja77> praenti: can you ask them, if the booth will be accessible for a wheelchair?
14:06 < praenti> problem at the moment is that the forms are still out of order and i'm waiting since 3 days for a reply from andy
14:07 < praenti> daja77: asked andy in that mail already. i will write a second mail tomorrow
14:07 < daja77> ok thx
14:08 < praenti> daja77: but i think the should be no problem. the building is the new congress centre and cannot believe that there will be no elevator
14:08 < daja77> sounds good
14:08 < rxr> new? I think it is pretty old ...
14:09 < praenti> rxr: ??? the last two year they have done a restoration a think
14:10 < rxr> ah
14:10 < praenti> http://www.bcc-berlin.de/de/00/frameset.html
14:11 < praenti> we are not in the "haus am köllnischen park"
14:11 < rxr> praenti: yes I know#
14:12 < daja77>  Denkmalgerecht umgebaut und grundlegend modernisiert bietet es ab September 2003 auf 10.000 m² Bruttogeschossfläche erheblich erweiterte und flexibilisierte Veranstaltungsflächen.
14:14 < rxr> 1961-1964 - it is old ...
14:15 < daja77> buidings from 1516 are really old ^^
14:16 < daja77> btw in what area are we present? hackcenter?
14:18 < praenti> level A big room in the middle and the smaller room at the top of the screen
14:18 < praenti> see http://www.ccc.de/congress/2003/map.de.html
14:18 < blindcoder> praenti: do you have a serial port on your laptop?
14:19 < praenti> blindcoder: yes. why?
14:20 < blindcoder> praenti: because mine doesn't (also no PS/2 but 4 USB. Who needs 4 USB ports anyway?) so I can't attach my GPS unit
14:21 < rxr> I need USB ports - and nearly never such serial "crap"
14:22 < blindcoder> rxr: sorry for only having switches with serial console and a GPS-Mouse which connects to a serial port
14:22 < blindcoder> I could also continue using windows and serial->usb converters
14:23 < blindcoder> btw: does anyone have a copy of download/gnome24/straw/straw-0.21.2.tar.bz2 to share with me?
14:24 < praenti> blindcoder: but i have no gnome and about 500mb diskspace available
14:24 < praenti> only needed stuff like gtk2
14:25 < blindcoder> praenti: gtk2 should suffice
14:25 < blindcoder> praenti: can you try compiling gpsdrive?
14:25 < daja77> guess even exhibitors have to pay there, right?
14:25 < praenti> blindcoder: ok. i will do that
14:26 < rxr> blindcoder: usb serial converts work under linux, too
14:29 < blindcoder> rxr: haven't gotten them to work yet. But I'd also need a ps2->usb because ps2 is where my gps gets its power from
14:32 < rxr> blindcoder: make one yourself ...
14:36 < blindcoder> hmmm should be possible... worst case I'll just solder some battery->ps2 thing together ;)
14:37 < rxr> well this is that easy - just connect two pins of the ps2 plug with two pins of the usb plug ...
14:38 < blindcoder> unfortunately it is not, you have to tell the USB how much currency to provide
14:39 < rxr> nah - this is just an informational thing - the power is always on the line - just that the hub might shut it down if the information provided by the devices exceed the device's limit
14:39 < rxr> s/line/wire/
14:39 < blindcoder> i c
14:40 < rxr> and IIRC both use 5V ...
14:41 < rxr> there are even USB lights on the market - and I don't believe they register to the OS as light device and tell it they need 500mA ... ;-)
14:41 < blindcoder> I have to check that out
14:44 < rxr> you own a USB light ? ;-)
14:46 < blindcoder> no
14:47 < praenti> ok. i will leave you now.
14:47 < praenti> cu
14:47 < blindcoder> baba
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15:23 < mnemoc> re
15:23 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:24 < mnemoc> hi daja$revision
15:24 < daja77> hehe
15:26 < mnemoc> to sleep is bad for health, i wake up the hugest headache i have ever hadmn (considering i use to have headaches)
15:26 < mnemoc> -mn
15:27 * daja77 has not really slept
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15:28 < mnemoc> thinking in your meat?
15:28 < mnemoc> meet*
15:28 < daja77> yes ...
15:28 < mnemoc> :(
15:29 < mnemoc> if you want to be friend or friend++ fight for it
15:29 * blindcoder slept quite well considering the amount of alcohol he drank
15:34 < blindcoder> hmm
15:34 < blindcoder> minimal has 101 packages more(!) than minimal+xfree
15:35 * blindcoder gone
15:35 < mnemoc> uhm?
15:38 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
15:38 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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15:57 < rxr> hi neitzsche 
15:57 < mnemoc> hi professor
15:58 < neitzsche> Good morn!
16:02 < rxr> blindcoder: I found the problem why recent Create-Errlist -newdelete
16:03 < rxr> wipe the wohle package directory
16:03 < rxr> this is due to the change in 00-dirtree and it owns that dir
16:03 < rxr> I think I need to patch mine ...
16:04 < mnemoc> maybe a 'protection list'
16:06 < rxr> nah - it should not recursively delete a dir if non-empty
16:07 < rxr> I thought it already includes such code ...
16:21 < rxr> found it - see rock-linux
16:24 * blindcoder back
16:25 < blindcoder> rxr: hmm, 00-dirtree updates happen only infrequently
16:25 < mnemoc> some time ago i added -remove to Create-Errlist
16:26 < mnemoc> tha'ts a real 'manual schedule'
16:26 < mnemoc> -delete doesn't mine -r
16:28 < rxr> mnemoc: mine should not do this - whether we update 00-dirtree often or not ..
16:29 < rxr> I do not mangel a build again with this ...
16:29 < mnemoc> remove should 1. remove removable/own/not_updated files 2. remove empty/own directories backward
16:30 < cytrinox`> moin
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16:37 < rxr> moin cytrinox` 
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16:54 < rxr> I tagged a new mine
16:54 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/mine/tags/0.16/
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17:04 < rxr> blindcoder: netrunne1: If you see Clifford in Mun. give him a consolte and let him put the file:
17:05 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/software/incoming/mine-0.16.tar.bz2 to the official place
17:05 < rxr> thanks
17:08 < rxr> cu later
17:08 < mnemoc> cu
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17:39 < mnemoc> hi tcr
17:39 < tcr> moin all, mnemoc
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18:41 < mnemoc> According the application, the patent (no. 6,662,341) covers writing a standard HTML file that runs in its own window outside of the browser. This means, according to the filing, that the author of an HTML application file won't face the security constraints imposed by a browser. This relaxed security allows an HTML author to do things such as: read from a user's local computer; write to a user's local computer and perform scripting of frames between domains
18:49 < blindcoder> sounds like using Internet Explorer to browse the web :)
18:50 < mnemoc> :)
18:50 < daja77> lol
18:50 < blindcoder> now they can finally sue anyone over patent infringement who uses IE Security holes in his websites
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18:51 < blindcoder> somewhere there's a page that requests an IE to overwrite the kernel with a bookmarks-file
18:51 < blindcoder> AFAIK it still works in 2000
18:51 < blindcoder> just two lines of javascript :)
18:52 < blindcoder> (one for 9x/ME and one for NT)
18:55 < mnemoc> ms-security
18:55 < mnemoc> "the MS platform is renowned for its security"
18:55 < daja77> s/secu/obscu
18:55 < mnemoc> lol
18:56 < mnemoc> some ppl thinks that opensource is unsecurity per se
18:56 < mnemoc> just because of the lack of 'oscurity'
18:57 * daja77 eating
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19:39 < mnemoc> blindcoder: how is uclibc stuff going? =)
19:42 < blindcoder> mnemoc: not at all, haven't been able to bootstrap a system yet. I will try building a uclibc-ROCK from a uclibclinux system when i find the time
19:43 < mnemoc> :\
19:48 < tcr> Is there any env variable I have to set to have a configure script find glib22 not in /usr but in /opt/gnome2 ?
19:49 < kleinesArschloch> moin
19:52 < mnemoc> shouldn't pkgconfig do that for you?
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19:53 < mnemoc> moin owl, scoopex, kasc 
19:53 < scoopex> moin !
19:53 < kleinesArschloch> hi mnemoc , kasc , scoopex 
19:54 < kasc> moin ihr's
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20:02 < tcr> mnemoc, I solved the issue. I could track it down to be a inconvenience introduced with the recent update og gnome24
20:09 < mnemoc> a wrong . (source)?
20:11 < tcr> mnemoc, no gnome24/glib/gnome-24.conf looks for glib in /opt/gnome24 instead of /opt/gnome2 as before
20:11 < mnemoc> ic
20:13 < tcr> I'm not emerg-pkg'ing anyway... to easierly solve the dependancy hell (wanna have liferea installed)
20:13 < tcr> s,not,now,
20:14 < tcr> That means, I just aborted it (it was going to install thousand of pkgs
20:17 < mnemoc> an script to generate a pkgsel from an installed system can be useful for generating pseuto-targets and to right emergings
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22:52 < mnemoc> how diff graphics (like kernel or rock's svn announces) are generated?
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