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--- Log opened Sun Dec 14 00:00:34 2003 --- Day changed Sun Dec 14 2003 00:00 < rxr> re 00:01 < netrunner> re, 2 00:03 < mnemoc> re rxr, netrunner 00:03 < rxr> netrunner: how is the ROCK meeting ? 00:04 < netrunner> rxr: tomorrow. I still do not know who will come besides me, clifford and fake. 00:06 < mnemoc> that 'how' can be answered in many funny ways :) 00:08 < netrunner> If I define that we as my personal rockmeeting then it's cool :) 00:09 < mnemoc> =) 00:13 < mnemoc> do you all think a build without compiling the kernel is senseless? 00:13 < rxr> mnemoc: mnemoc nope 00:13 < rxr> oh ... 00:14 < mnemoc> :P 00:14 < rxr> the line contains two occurances of mnemoc ... ;-) 00:15 < mnemoc> m\t \t nope 00:15 < rxr> hm? 00:15 < mnemoc> ignore that 00:16 < mnemoc> i'm not m\t 00:16 < mnemoc> blindcoder is m\t 00:18 < mnemoc> rxr: i slept last night and i woke up with the handache of the century :| 00:19 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - I read this when you first posted it :-((( 00:19 < rxr> mnemoc: really bad 00:20 < rxr> btw, have you made any progress on the iproute2-the-other-branch thing - or maybe with the metric for addr ? 00:20 < mnemoc> seems i'm not un-human enought 00:20 < mnemoc> i have addapted some of the patches but not all yet 00:21 < mnemoc> i couldn't find where auto-routes are added 00:21 < mnemoc> to set the metric of them 00:21 < rxr> hm 00:22 < mnemoc> they seem to be added directly by the kernel 00:22 < rxr> hm - by the kernel ?!?!? 00:22 < mnemoc> i couldn't find the code :| 00:23 < rxr> hm 00:23 < mnemoc> i'll try again after iprotue2-ahu update is finished 00:28 < rxr> maybe we should also take a look that debain, suse and/or rh ship ... 00:31 < mnemoc> slackware/extra/iproute2-2.4.7-now-ss020116-try 00:32 < mnemoc> debian/iproute220010824-9 00:33 < rxr> nice chaos ... 00:34 < mnemoc> non-mantained packages tend to create chaos 00:35 < rxr> maybe you want to take it over and become a famous hero ? 00:38 < mnemoc> warning: not enought resources 00:38 < mnemoc> core dump 00:40 -!- aktnot [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit ("leaving") 00:45 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:48 < daja77> re 00:48 < A-Tui> hola daja77 00:48 < daja77> hola A-Tui 00:48 < rxr> hi daja77 00:48 < daja77> hi rxr :) 00:48 < mnemoc> buenas noches a ambos 00:49 < A-Tui> buenas noches mnemoc 00:49 < A-Tui> rxr, good night too :) 00:50 < daja77> huh? 00:51 < mnemoc> in spanish "buenas *" are greetings 00:51 < mnemoc> too 00:51 < daja77> ah k. 00:51 < mnemoc> buenas noches, como estan todos? vs. que tarde es, buenas noches 00:52 < daja77> rxr: we lost the chan atm :) 00:52 < A-Tui> yeah, daja77 ever surprises when i tell "good night" 00:52 < A-Tui> he think i'm going to bed 00:52 < daja77> better bein surprised than shocked ^^ 00:53 < mnemoc> i guess you can't use 'good night' as a greeting 00:53 < daja77> inded 00:53 < daja77> +e 00:53 < A-Tui> mnemoc, yes, but i'm used to the spanish "good night" 00:53 < mnemoc> me too 00:53 < A-Tui> here, good nigh is said when someone arrived 00:54 < A-Tui> not only when he leaves 00:54 < daja77> ok got that 00:54 < mnemoc> :) 00:55 < mnemoc> don't forget it ;) 00:55 < daja77> hehe never :) 00:56 < A-Tui> btw, i would try to said "greetings" when arrived :) 00:56 < daja77> hola is quite ok for 00:56 < daja77> me 00:56 < A-Tui> ok daja77, then only "hola" and "adios" :) 00:56 < mnemoc> hola is very informal 00:57 < daja77> no need to be formal here 00:57 < A-Tui> hola Señorito daja77 00:57 < A-Tui> :) 00:57 < mnemoc> rotfl 00:57 < daja77> ^^ 00:58 < mnemoc> you said 'señorito' to the son of the master you serve :D 00:58 < A-Tui> mnemoc, here not 00:58 < daja77> O_o 00:59 * daja77 np elton john - the world in spanish ^^ 00:59 < A-Tui> señorito is a person who is don't married 00:59 < mnemoc> we don't use it, we don't serve masters since we free of spain =) 00:59 < A-Tui> and señor is a married man 00:59 < mnemoc> sure 01:00 < daja77> s + pain 01:00 * daja77 hides 01:00 < A-Tui> mnemoc, sure, the best thing you can have done :) 01:00 < mnemoc> señorito is more a teen or a child around here 01:00 < A-Tui> i hate the spanish history :( 01:01 < mnemoc> i like to *read* history from *other* places 01:01 < daja77> do you know a country with a good history? 01:02 < A-Tui> mnemoc, i like read it, but i'dont like how it was 01:02 < A-Tui> daja77, an non-existing country :) 01:02 < mnemoc> history don't need to be 'good', need to be explicit to avoid new mistakes 01:03 < A-Tui> mnemoc, that's the problem, human being repeat all the time the same mistakes 01:03 * daja77 was born in a country which is now history :)) 01:03 < mnemoc> and as objetive as it can be 01:03 < rxr> mnemoc: when you take a look to most modern political stuff I wonder if those "freaks" really leanred s.th. from history .... 01:03 < daja77> no they don't 01:04 < mnemoc> they can't learn something they can't understand 01:05 * daja77 is a freak in another life so don't be so negative about them 01:05 < mnemoc> to be a good polititian you need to be good talking, no other restriction can be applied 01:06 < A-Tui> and a good lier 01:06 < daja77> oh there are some more 01:06 < rxr> yeah - and that is the bad thing about nowadays politicans 01:07 < rxr> I hope this brainless man (?) in the US is not elected again ... 01:07 < daja77> s/nowadays// 01:07 < rxr> yeah - but nowadays they are not much better then the ones in the past 01:07 < daja77> hah maybe they elect the general 01:07 < mnemoc> last week a newpaper found that one of our senators wasn't realy a lawyer as he claimed to be, and that he was on college just until 12 years old :| 01:07 < mnemoc> 6 years being senator btw 01:07 < A-Tui> mnemoc, XD 01:08 < daja77> mnemoc for president 01:08 < mnemoc> ehm 01:08 < A-Tui> here the things are not much better, we have a "slave" of the US chieff 01:09 < rxr> you are in? spain? 01:09 < A-Tui> yes rxr 01:09 < daja77> our chief sold us to china 01:09 < mnemoc> on the irak conquer your president got an 'space' in the picture... where was the one of portugal? 01:11 < A-Tui> mnemoc, portugal had not a very important paper on irak conquer (like in other areas) 01:11 < A-Tui> i think people treat Portugal like a second class country 01:11 < daja77> bah can't stand those daily crap news about sco anymore 01:12 < mnemoc> they turn from funny to bored 01:13 < daja77> roflmao, this one is funny, some days ago their mail servers broke down, which gave their programmers some spare time, one of them worked on the smp part of linux kernel ... 01:14 < mnemoc> lol 01:16 < daja77> apple itunes product of the year *urgs* 01:18 < daja77> ok /me off to bed now 01:18 < daja77> cu 01:19 < A-Tui> bye daja77 01:20 < mnemoc> cu daja77 01:29 < rxr> is'nt ROCK Linux 2.0.x the product of the year? 01:29 < rxr> isn't even ... 01:33 < mnemoc> do u really think 2.0.0 will be out this year? 01:34 < rxr> yes 01:34 < mnemoc> let's fight for it :D 01:35 < mnemoc> oh capitan, my capitan! 01:36 < mnemoc> we still in "2 year + some month" from last release ;) 01:37 < mnemoc> rxr: are -cross packages in use? linux24-header-cross needs to be updated 01:37 < rxr> oehm - yes they are in use 01:38 < rxr> can even be used to e.g. quickly compile a e.g. ARM cross compiler on your workstation 01:38 < rxr> but mostly they are for SPARC 64/32 01:38 < mnemoc> there is any reason for being 64/32??? 01:39 < rxr> yes - 64 bit user-space is not stable - and the SPARCs are already slow enought 01:39 < rxr> and additionally I can create a CD what works on 32bit SPARC Stations and Ultra SPARCs ... 01:39 < mnemoc> that's good :) 01:39 < rxr> but I also do not like this much - I tried hard to get it 64bit only ... - but in addition that I only have a 270 Mhz U5 a mixed CD is not bad ... 01:39 < mnemoc> just the boot difference 01:40 < rxr> and I have a < 100 Mhz SPARC Station for half a year now - which still waits for the GFX board and keyboard from Ripclaw ... 01:40 < rxr> ok - I'm off to bed - need to visit some flats tomorrow to find a new home ... 01:41 < mnemoc> we need to get famous in 'standard' archs to get some donations :) 01:41 < ierk> you are a chaty group :) 01:41 < mnemoc> we are a _nice_ group of _friends_ 01:41 < rxr> I just sent a PowerPC board request to: https://pegasosppc.com/ 01:42 < ierk> mnemoc: yes. i do not doubt that. 01:42 < mnemoc> :) 01:42 < rxr> As ROCK Linux Consulting "boss" - I'm looking forward to the response .. 01:42 < ierk> howmany am i going to meet at 20c3? 01:42 < rxr> ierk: 20-25 maybe ... 01:43 < mnemoc> not /me :'( 01:43 < ierk> or if i find the time to come to netrunners place tomorrow 01:44 < ierk> still have to find time to realy look into rock linux. 01:44 < ierk> maybe i should use the time i will sleep (like in 10min) to first have my box build a i586 version of rock 01:45 < ierk> is there any way to configure what package i want it to build? or only the 5 (IIRC) configuration? 01:45 < mnemoc> on build time and install time 01:46 < mnemoc> build time is better 01:46 -!- neitzsche [~zen@user-2inigo5.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:46 < rxr> ierk: you can select them using pattern matching in the Config 01:46 < rxr> and a gui single select / tree select ncurses thing during installtion 01:46 < mnemoc> Config -> Expert -> Package Selection [XO-] expression 01:47 < ierk> rxr: can i tell the build system to build x, but neither gnome nor kde, while still keeping the base gtk? 01:48 < mnemoc> sure you can 01:48 < ierk> oh, well. won't do it tonight anyway. 01:48 < ierk> mnemoc: is there some more indeep documentation than the handbook? 01:49 < rxr> ierk: yes - but you need some expressions for it ... 01:49 < rxr> cu -> n8 01:49 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 01:50 < mnemoc> ierk: the config i use to test gtk#/mono includes only 136 packages 01:51 * ierk is off to bed, too 01:51 < mnemoc> and there is 'minimal+xfree86' template 01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 ierk 02:39 -!- Esel [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c02c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:43 -!- Wrackler [~muhu@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:15 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-179.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:17 -!- Esel [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c02c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit (Client Quit) 03:18 -!- Esel [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c02c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:25 -!- Esel [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c02c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit (Client Quit) 03:36 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-221.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:37 < mnemoc> "GnuPG ElGamal signing keys compromised and format string vulnerability" 04:01 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 04:31 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail@p213.54.202.26.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:48 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.225.106.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:04 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-42-43.reverse.qsc.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:21 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm200.gamma145.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 08:04 -!- dsoul_ [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:16 -!- neitzsche [~zen@user-2inigo5.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit ("Bye.") 08:26 -!- kleinesArschloch is now known as owl 09:30 -!- jani [~jani@ppp115-177.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has quit ("Leaving") 09:35 < blindcoder> mnemoc: fixed in ROCK already 09:51 -!- rene [~rene@port-212-202-41-132.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:51 < rene> re 09:51 -!- rene is now known as rxr 09:52 < blindcoder> moin rxr 09:53 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-41-132.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:54 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005752.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:09 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-41-132.reverse.qsc.de] has left #rocklinux () 10:21 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-080-085.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:54 < daja77> moin 10:55 < blindcoder> moin moin 10:55 < daja77> hey blindy 10:55 < blindcoder> jo 10:56 < blindcoder> dammit, I have to throw away two pairs of trousers 11:39 -!- aktnot [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 11:47 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-080-085.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:57 < cytrinox`-> moin *gähn* 12:21 -!- cytrinox`- is now known as cytrinox 12:36 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 12:36 < A-Tui> hi 12:52 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p50801310.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:52 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801385.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 12:52 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 13:58 < mnemoc> re 14:01 < mnemoc> rxr: ping 14:10 < mnemoc> the americans catch saddam 14:10 < A-Tui> what? 14:10 < mnemoc> they cathed him alived 14:11 < A-Tui> w0w 14:11 < mnemoc> problem: they will have to judge him 14:11 < owl> what? catched saddam? O_o 14:12 < mnemoc> at iraq 14:12 < owl> wow. fact. first thought you were kidding. sorry. 14:12 < A-Tui> me too 14:12 < mnemoc> :( 14:13 < mnemoc> nobody believes mnemoc 14:13 < A-Tui> :) 14:13 < owl> sorry mnemoc . but this really sound like a joke... but - we'll see, if it _really_ was / is saddam 14:14 < owl> but anyways - i will have breakfast (aka lunch) first 14:14 < A-Tui> reuters said that checked DNA to be sure 14:15 < A-Tui> but i think this don't change too much things 14:15 < owl> hmmm. who checked it? the americans? 14:15 < A-Tui> yes owl 14:15 < A-Tui> like they did with his sons 14:16 < owl> hmmmmmm. america also said "we want to free iraq", but they just wanted the oil -> don't believe american politicans 14:16 < A-Tui> lol yes you are rigth 14:16 < owl> thx :p 14:16 < mnemoc> oil+china 14:16 < owl> hmhm. 14:17 < A-Tui> but this will stop the underground war? 14:17 < mnemoc> lol :( 14:19 < mnemoc> me wonders about the kurdishs 14:19 < A-Tui> thay way americas "free" iraq have been to dirty to fix things as fast as the say :( 14:20 < mnemoc> do they want to fix them? 14:20 < A-Tui> well the want fix them to get more control :) 14:21 < mnemoc> will they can control without repressing? 14:21 < A-Tui> no :( 14:22 < A-Tui> they ALWAYS are repressing 14:22 < A-Tui> they ALWAYS make treats with dictators goverments (like the Franco spanish) 14:22 < mnemoc> to control they will need to kill and jail *many* ppl 14:22 < A-Tui> mnemoc, sure 14:23 < mnemoc> btw, to killl is cheaper than to jail 14:23 < mnemoc> and more effective 14:24 * mnemoc hates this fscking topic :| 14:27 * mnemoc wonders if americans will create a kurdish country in spite of the opposition of the Turks 14:28 < owl> so. i'm off. forever 14:28 < A-Tui> americans didn't do anything for kurdish people in the past :( 14:28 < mnemoc> good luck owl 14:28 < A-Tui> bye owl 14:29 < mnemoc> politics sucks 14:30 < A-Tui> yeah, 14:49 < daja77> off forever again? 14:49 < A-Tui> hi daja77 14:49 < daja77> hi A-Tui 14:51 < mnemoc> hi daja77 14:51 < daja77> hola mnemoc 15:08 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802E02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:10 < A-Tui> time to luch, cu! 15:10 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 15:25 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p5080260E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:38 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:04 -!- nookie [~nookie@M344P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:04 -!- _spectre_ [wcjpjjr@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:06 -!- nookie [~nookie@M344P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit) 17:07 -!- nookie [~nookie@M344P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:11 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9502DD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:20 -!- _spectre_ [dhdgjdaw@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:20 -!- _spectre_ [dhdgjdaw@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Client Quit) 17:21 -!- _spectre_ [aqghrlwa@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:27 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005752.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:02 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-179.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:11 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-179.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:52 -!- nookie [~nookie@M344P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 18:56 < owl> remoin 18:57 < owl> <- shots her creator. 18:58 < mnemoc> <owl> so. i'm off. forever 18:58 < owl> hm. i escaped from "home". 18:58 < mnemoc> did you kill your father? 18:58 < mnemoc> ehm 18:58 < owl> nope 18:59 < owl> he just screamed to me the whole time and so... 18:59 < mnemoc> so you left your parent's house? 19:00 < owl> "if you leave this house now, you NEVER need/are allowed to come back" 19:00 < owl> yes. i moved to my boyfriend now 19:00 < mnemoc> that *never* is more common that what you can think :) 19:01 < owl> y= 19:01 < owl> ? 19:01 < mnemoc> those 'never's turns void pretty quickly ;) 19:02 < mnemoc> but indepence is good 19:02 < mnemoc> independence 19:03 < mnemoc> does you boyfriend rent it's own apartment? 19:03 < owl> hm. i don't think so. not at my father... he something i would call "fscking idiot" - the only question he had, when i left, was about windows. he cares about it, but not about me. if my bf would not have been in the same room with me and my father, he (my creater) would have hit me again. 19:03 < owl> nope. we're living at his parent's house 19:04 < mnemoc> i was 4 years without talking/seen to any relative 19:04 < owl> ufff... why, if you allows me this question? 19:05 < mnemoc> because i wanted to rule my life 19:05 < mnemoc> and i did :) 19:05 < mnemoc> and i do 19:06 < mnemoc> after my daughter borns they *never* turns void :) 19:06 < owl> oki. 19:06 < mnemoc> their 19:06 < mnemoc> now we have a 'good' relation 19:06 < owl> congrats. 19:08 < mnemoc> thanks 19:08 < owl> hmm. my dad and /me never had a good relation... my mum is quite ok, but she is not the dominant person in the family and "prays to my dad"... --> my dad can hit me, till i'm having effusions of blood and she says "he just overreacted" 19:10 < mnemoc> quite old fashioned :| 2003 != 1940 19:10 < mnemoc> what do u plan to do? live with your 'fathers-in-law'? 19:11 < owl> yeah. sure. but my dad is born in 1949, my mum in 1953 -> "pain is the way to learn a children stuff" && "women are for the kitchen, men for the cars" 19:11 < owl> hmmm. faters-in-law? means? 19:12 < owl> you mean the parents of my bf? 19:12 < mnemoc> the fathers of your husband... we use it for boy/girl friends too 19:12 < owl> ah so. hehe. yeah. not husband, but boyfriend :p 19:12 < owl> and - yes, we're welcome here 19:13 < owl> that's such a crap - here i'm accepted as person. not as "at home"... :-( 19:13 < mnemoc> we use the word 'suegros' for 'fathers-in-law' witch is shorter than 'the parents of my bf' 19:13 < owl> hehe. oki 19:13 < owl> suegros = spanish? 19:14 < mnemoc> yep 19:14 < owl> oki. kewl. thx. .oO(note to self: write it onto card to learn *g*) 19:14 < mnemoc> suegro, suegra, suegros 19:15 < owl> oki. hmmmmmmmm... in spanish the women are also not equal with men, or am i wron? 19:15 < mnemoc> and your are their 'nuera' and he is the 'yerno' of yours 19:15 < mnemoc> father-in-law=suegro, mother-in-law=suegra 19:15 < owl> oki. heehe 19:16 < mnemoc> :) 19:16 < mnemoc> good luck in your new life 19:17 < owl> thx. 19:17 < owl> i will need it.. especially to complete my drivers license and so... 19:17 < owl> need the financial help of my parents 19:18 < mnemoc> independence is only obtained when you get your economic independece 19:19 < owl> yeah... but i don't get much money... still 19:20 < mnemoc> you are close to the husband thing :) 19:20 < mnemoc> in the financial aspect 19:21 < mnemoc> or your parents will keep giving you money? 19:21 < owl> hehe. why? 19:21 < mnemoc> you need the man on your side for living :P 19:22 < owl> i dunno. i just need my drivers license first, because i'm already having 1/2 of it... and i would have to pay for the 1/2 of drivers license till yet + drivers license from begin-end when i would start from begin and so. 19:22 < owl> hmm. yeah. him too... 19:32 -!- _snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:33 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: _spectre_, snyke 19:47 < blindcoder> is here anyone who knows the new rockcrap^Wrocknet stuff? 19:48 < owl> *g* hi blindy 19:49 < blindcoder> hi owl 19:50 < mnemoc> blindcoder: rene wrote a nice stone module for it 19:50 < mnemoc> one config file, lot of modules with atomic functions 19:51 < mnemoc> modules and functions are keywords on the config file 19:51 < blindcoder> and no help from stone whatsoever 19:52 < blindcoder> I can't get `rc network start` to actually start my interfaces 19:53 < blindcoder> and the handbook seems to be down atm 19:54 < mnemoc> don't know if rene did the rc stuff 19:54 < mnemoc> there is an script (can't remenber the name right now) to up and down interfaces 19:55 < mnemoc> gotta go to lunch, cu * 20:24 -!- neitzsche [~zen@user-2ivelsq.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:25 < owl> neitzsche: ??? 20:25 < owl> not nietzsche? 20:35 < daja77> re 20:35 < owl> hi daja77 20:38 -!- dodo [~trillian@ALyon-204-1-4-127.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 20:43 -!- dodo [~trillian@ALyon-204-1-4-127.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #rocklinux () 21:16 -!- nookie [~nookie@M344P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:19 -!- aktnot_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:28 -!- _snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Client Quit) 21:32 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:34 -!- aktnot [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:44 -!- nookie is now known as nookie_ 22:21 < fake> gaa 22:21 < fake> can someone hand me straw-0.21.2.tar.bz2 ? 22:21 < fake> or point me to a mirror that has it? 22:21 < daja77> hi fake 22:21 < fake> hi! 22:21 < netcrow> hi fake 22:22 * fake disabling straw (just a news reader, eh) 22:23 * daja77 uses slrn for that purpose anyway 22:29 < daja77> how are you fake? 22:35 < esden_> hi all 22:35 < blindcoder> rxr: ping 22:35 < daja77> hi esden! 22:36 < blindcoder> anyone here knowing his way through rockcrap^H^H^H^Hnet? 22:37 -!- aktnot_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit ("leaving") 22:37 < mnemoc> :) 22:37 < mnemoc> /etc/network/rocknet default auto up 22:37 < blindcoder> mnemoc: no, that simply doesn't work 22:38 < mnemoc> try with eth0 instead of auto 22:38 < blindcoder> yes, then it works 22:38 < blindcoder> but not at startup which is not what I want 22:39 < mnemoc> auto up doesn't work but eth0 up does? 22:39 < blindcoder> yes 22:39 < mnemoc> did you set auto interfaces on config file? 22:40 < blindcoder> first line: ^auto eth1(default) eth0(default) 22:40 < mnemoc> seems you found a bug :| 22:40 < blindcoder> at least this should be the syntax according to the (uncommented) source 22:40 < blindcoder> oh, there are quite a few more bugs 22:40 < mnemoc> try without the (default) 22:41 < mnemoc> if auto doesn't work by hand can't work on rc ;) 22:41 < blindcoder> in /etc/rc.d/init.d/network there are $ missing before {profile:-default} and other jokes 22:41 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i just mail that 22:41 < blindcoder> whoever released this crap did _NOT_ repeat *NOT* test it 22:41 < rxr> re 22:41 < blindcoder> hi rxr 22:41 < blindcoder> just the man I need right now 22:42 < mnemoc> :) 22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: wtf is the syntax of the /etc/network/config file? 22:42 < rxr> blindcoder: what is your ROCK Net problem 22:42 < rxr> the the handbook 22:42 < rxr> unfortunately DNS is bogus right now 22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: the devices don't start automaticalle 22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: the handbook is down 22:42 < rxr> 212.202.41.132 22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: and a few bugs in the rc scripts 22:43 < blindcoder> mom, editing /etc/hosts 22:43 < rxr> hm - I need th - ... :-( 22:44 < blindcoder> hrm... according to the handbook it should work 22:44 < rxr> let me read scrollback 22:45 < mnemoc> auto s.th for two devs seems to not work 22:45 < rxr> blindcoder: nope 22:45 < blindcoder> mnemoc: auto for one neither 22:45 < rxr> you do not have to specify auto ethX(default) 22:45 < blindcoder> rxr: but? 22:46 < rxr> hm - do do not have you interface sections name interface eth0(default) ? 22:46 < rxr> just "interface eth0" I guess? 22:47 < mnemoc> blindcoder: try without the (default) 22:47 < blindcoder> mom 22:47 < rxr> with auto only "non-profile" interfaces are activated and the ones matching the profile ... 22:48 < blindcoder> nope, with auto nothing gets started, with eth0 it works 22:48 < blindcoder> so /etc/network/rocknet default eth0 up works 22:49 < blindcoder> /etc/network/rocknet default auto up doesn't 22:49 < mnemoc> can you -x it and trace the bug? 22:49 < blindcoder> mom 22:49 < rxr> blindcoder: paste the whole config files in a private querry 22:50 < blindcoder> rxr: ok 22:52 < netrunne1> rxr/blindcoder: i just sent a patch for that. 22:53 < blindcoder> netrunne1: what was the problem? 22:54 < blindcoder> that simple? d'ouh 22:54 * blindcoder trying 22:54 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 22:55 * netrunner tracking the 'bootcd hangs at boot' problem 22:55 < blindcoder> WEEE 22:55 * blindcoder hugging netrunner 22:55 < blindcoder> gotta write myself a getprofile script now 22:57 < blindcoder> btw: there are two $ missing in /etc/rc.d/init.d/network (no line numbers right now because no vim yet) 22:57 < blindcoder> still emerging 22:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:01 -!- nookie__ [~nookie@M271P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 23:02 < blindcoder> lines 52 and 60 23:02 < rxr> netrunner: how is the rock meeting ? 23:05 < netrunner> rxr: over, now clifford and me are hunting bugs :) 23:06 < rxr> netrunner: and, who was attending ? 23:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: read and fixed. patch sent. 23:06 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M344P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:06 < rxr> greetings to clifford ... ;-) 23:07 < netrunner> rxr: svn.rocklinux-consulting.de down? 23:07 < rxr> nope - just the DNS is buggy 23:07 < rxr> use 212.202.41.132 23:07 < rxr> until th fixed the DNS server ... 23:07 < netrunner> rxr: fake, praenti, nos, esden, clifford, /me 23:08 < netrunner> rxr: hm, I'll use the schillernet one. 23:08 < rxr> but then you need to switch --relocate 23:08 < rxr> you just would need one entry in /etc/hosts ... 23:10 < rxr> netrunner: could you bug clifford to copy the two mine version at 23:10 < rxr> https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/software/incoming/ 23:10 < rxr> to the official place ? 23:10 < blindcoder> btw: it would probably be a good idea to add XFS support to the 2.4 kernel, wouldn't it? 23:14 < netrunner> rxr: he'll do it as soon as your dns is fixed. 23:15 < rxr> why? 23:15 < rxr> the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server has not this DNS problem ... 23:15 < rxr> and it is not "my" DNS ... 23:19 < rxr> netrunner: and you do not need to put "was this tested" comments into your mails 23:19 < netrunner> rxr: have you? 23:20 < rxr> I did not saw an error and did not single stepped the file in bash-db 23:20 < rxr> when I need to do most stuff alone without much sleep error might slip in 23:20 < cytrinox> gn8 23:22 < blindcoder> rxr: one last (I hope) question: the ethX devices that match the current profile always get started, don't they? 23:23 < netrunner> rxr: well, you're the maintainer, so you decide if patches need to be tested or just reviewed ... but as you can see, testing has some advances. 23:24 < rxr> I just ROCK Net dayly - that should classify as testing - if I would have had a problem it would have been fixed 23:25 < rxr> blindcoder: if I understand you Q right no 23:25 < rxr> only interfaces listed in the auto keyword get started 23:25 < rxr> when run as rocknet ... auto ... 23:25 -!- clifford [~clifford@p50802E02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:25 < clifford> salve! 23:26 < blindcoder> rxr: okay, so "auto eth1" will start "interface eth1($profile)"? 23:26 < netrunner> clifford: hi 8) 23:26 * blindcoder shoots back at clifford :) 23:26 < clifford> - "irqplmcdk:tvfhHR:")) != -1 ) { 23:26 < clifford> + "irqplmcdk:tvfhHRx:")) != -1 ) { 23:26 < blindcoder> hi clifford 23:26 < daja77> hi clifford 23:27 < clifford> rxr: was that me or you who applied that? 23:27 < clifford> hi all. 23:27 < rxr> clifford: yes you from Chris 23:27 < clifford> s/Rx:/R:x/ (btw) 23:27 < clifford> hm... too bad. 23:27 < rxr> nah - -x also takes one arguement 23:28 < rxr> so R:x: (I think) 23:28 < rxr> ah - yes sure - right 23:28 < rxr> just did that 23:28 < rxr> svn diff -r 20:21 https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/mine 23:28 < rxr> clifford: already tagged and released 23:28 < rxr> clifford: btw you should not release mine tarballes (or whatever) with .svn dirs 23:28 < rxr> mine-0.15 has this 23:29 < clifford> I know. 23:29 < clifford> I've had no time to test this patch and didn't want to release a new mine without testing it first.... 23:30 < rxr> oeh !?!? It was not tested at all? 23:30 < mnemoc> the rene applied a hotfix and just release ;) 23:30 < rxr> damn I did just tested the things I changed in the 0.16 version 23:30 * rxr hoping for the best ... 23:31 < mnemoc> sane people don't do things for bad :) 23:31 < clifford> well - I had chirs' word that it is tested and it looked good enought to be applied in svn. I've not intened to release it as it is. 23:32 < clifford> Also: I was not happy with the way this -x thing handles the flist files. 23:32 < rxr> ... - you have some free xmas days to reimplement it ... 23:32 * daja77 will be offline ove xmas 23:32 < rxr> clifford: I was also not happy with the patch - but I would not have applied it - and as you applied it I thought "Well I do not need it - why comment on it .." 23:32 < blindcoder> hmm... I wonder if I forgot something in my kernel now... 23:33 < rxr> I need some food now - cu a bit later 23:35 < rxr> does anyone has the phone number of th handy ? 23:36 < clifford> rxr: why didn't you just add your patch to package/base/mine/ as usual??? 23:37 < clifford> ( I don't make any gsmp releases too ... ;) 23:38 < mnemoc> postsysfiles.in is not loaded by sysfiles anymore?? 23:39 < rxr> clifford: because there have already been some - and I asked for mine releases weeks ago ... 23:39 < rxr> yes - but mine should be some community project of us 23:39 < rxr> it's like telling people to use glibc-2.3.3 out of the CVS because there is just no release tarball 23:40 < mnemoc> that sounds familiar to me :( 23:41 -!- neitzsche [~zen@user-2ivelsq.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:42 -!- echalon [~echalon@bgp477909bgs.summit01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:42 < clifford> no - just doing random releases out of the current svn is like telling people to use the glibc cvs. 23:43 < clifford> the idea behind making releasesis to make some more intensive testing before releasing something. 23:43 < mnemoc> question: is it right (for ROCK standard) that opt/foo/bin/* are linked to /usr/bin ? 23:43 < rxr> all the other stuff was tested - that you apply things you do not want to have in this shape is not the best idea 23:43 < clifford> and the reason why i sometimes need a while for making a release is that i want to test it first.... 23:44 < clifford> so - why do you make rock releases if you only apply stuff to the svn which is ok anyways? 23:45 -!- neitzsche [~zen@user-2inigjm.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:46 < fake> hi clifford 23:46 < clifford> hi fake. 23:47 < rxr> because we have far more side-effects within ROCK - and because sometimes - sure - bugs are in the changes 23:48 < rxr> I could not imagine that you let untested changes hangin in mine for over two months 23:49 < clifford> rxr: Having a non-functional -R in mine has the little side effect that the installation doesn't work at all. 23:50 < rxr> I know 23:50 < clifford> I was (and am) in the oppinion that the glob patch is a step in the right direction - and so I've applied it. 23:50 < rxr> Open Source - release early release often 23:50 < rxr> maybe the bug would be in SVN for some more months ... otherwise - so be happy 23:51 < rxr> I'll reconnect my DSL line for a test - cu 23:51 < clifford> The SVN tree is the development tree and I see no reason for letting a patch file liggering around for multiple months until I've got the time to finetune it. 23:54 < rxr> what is the problem now? I did not freak up on it - I just fixed it - and was just suprised that it was not tested. 23:54 < clifford> Noone (except RedHat, as we know) would use a random CVS checkout of gcc for their production distribution. Why do we have to use a svn version of a package manager in our distribution????? 23:56 < rxr> if you would respond to mails in less then weeks such mismatch would not show up 23:57 < rxr> 11/08 839 To:clifford@cliffo mine 23:57 < clifford> So it's my fault that you take untested code from the svn and release it? 23:58 < rxr> clifford: WHAT DO YOU WANT? 23:58 < rxr> shoudl I release 0.18 without the glob patch? 23:59 < rxr> should I fork mine? 23:59 < clifford> Do you mean that serious? 23:59 < clifford> Why not forking every project we have a bugfix in our package tree? --- Log closed Mon Dec 15 00:00:02 2003