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--- Day changed Sun Dec 14 2003
00:00 < rxr> re
00:01 < netrunner> re, 2
00:03 < mnemoc> re rxr, netrunner 
00:03 < rxr> netrunner: how is the ROCK meeting ?
00:04 < netrunner> rxr: tomorrow. I still do not know who will come besides me, clifford and fake.
00:06 < mnemoc> that 'how' can be answered in many funny ways :)
00:08 < netrunner> If I define that we as my personal rockmeeting then it's cool :)
00:09 < mnemoc> =)
00:13 < mnemoc> do you all think a build without compiling the kernel is senseless?
00:13 < rxr> mnemoc: mnemoc nope
00:13 < rxr> oh  ...
00:14 < mnemoc> :P
00:14 < rxr> the line contains two occurances of mnemoc ... ;-)
00:15 < mnemoc> m\t \t nope
00:15 < rxr> hm?
00:15 < mnemoc> ignore that
00:16 < mnemoc> i'm not m\t 
00:16 < mnemoc> blindcoder is m\t
00:18 < mnemoc> rxr: i slept last night and i woke up with the handache of the century :|
00:19 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - I read this when you first posted it :-(((
00:19 < rxr> mnemoc: really bad
00:20 < rxr> btw, have you made any progress on the iproute2-the-other-branch thing - or maybe with the metric for addr ?
00:20 < mnemoc> seems i'm not un-human enought 
00:20 < mnemoc> i have addapted some of the patches but not all yet
00:21 < mnemoc> i couldn't find where auto-routes are added
00:21 < mnemoc> to set the metric of them
00:21 < rxr> hm
00:22 < mnemoc> they seem to be added directly by the kernel
00:22 < rxr> hm - by the kernel ?!?!?
00:22 < mnemoc> i couldn't find the code :|
00:23 < rxr> hm
00:23 < mnemoc> i'll try again after iprotue2-ahu update is finished
00:28 < rxr> maybe we should also take a look that debain, suse and/or rh ship ...
00:31 < mnemoc> slackware/extra/iproute2-2.4.7-now-ss020116-try
00:32 < mnemoc> debian/iproute220010824-9
00:33 < rxr> nice chaos ...
00:34 < mnemoc> non-mantained packages tend to create chaos
00:35 < rxr> maybe you want to take it over and become a famous hero ?
00:38 < mnemoc> warning: not enought resources
00:38 < mnemoc> core dump
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00:48 < daja77> re
00:48 < A-Tui> hola daja77
00:48 < daja77> hola A-Tui 
00:48 < rxr> hi daja77 
00:48 < daja77> hi rxr :)
00:48 < mnemoc> buenas noches a ambos
00:49 < A-Tui> buenas noches mnemoc
00:49 < A-Tui> rxr, good night too :)
00:50 < daja77> huh?
00:51 < mnemoc> in spanish "buenas *" are greetings
00:51 < mnemoc> too
00:51 < daja77> ah k.
00:51 < mnemoc> buenas noches, como estan todos?  vs. que tarde es, buenas noches
00:52 < daja77> rxr: we lost the chan atm :)
00:52 < A-Tui> yeah, daja77 ever surprises when i tell "good night"
00:52 < A-Tui> he think i'm going to bed
00:52 < daja77> better bein surprised than shocked ^^
00:53 < mnemoc> i guess you can't use 'good night' as a greeting
00:53 < daja77> inded
00:53 < daja77> +e
00:53 < A-Tui> mnemoc, yes, but i'm used to the spanish "good night"
00:53 < mnemoc> me too
00:53 < A-Tui> here, good nigh is said when someone arrived
00:54 < A-Tui> not only when he leaves
00:54 < daja77> ok got that
00:54 < mnemoc> :)
00:55 < mnemoc> don't forget it ;)
00:55 < daja77> hehe never :)
00:56 < A-Tui> btw, i would try to said "greetings" when arrived :)
00:56 < daja77> hola is quite ok for
00:56 < daja77> me
00:56 < A-Tui> ok daja77, then only "hola" and "adios" :)
00:56 < mnemoc> hola is very informal
00:57 < daja77> no need to be formal here
00:57 < A-Tui> hola Señorito daja77
00:57 < A-Tui> :)
00:57 < mnemoc> rotfl
00:57 < daja77> ^^
00:58 < mnemoc> you said 'señorito' to the son of the master you serve :D
00:58 < A-Tui> mnemoc, here not
00:58 < daja77> O_o
00:59 * daja77 np elton john - the world in spanish ^^
00:59 < A-Tui> señorito is a person who is don't married
00:59 < mnemoc> we don't use it, we don't serve masters since we free of spain =)
00:59 < A-Tui> and señor is a married man
00:59 < mnemoc> sure
01:00 < daja77> s + pain
01:00 * daja77 hides
01:00 < A-Tui> mnemoc, sure, the best thing you can have done :)
01:00 < mnemoc> señorito is more a teen or a child around here 
01:00 < A-Tui> i hate the spanish history :(
01:01 < mnemoc> i like to *read* history from *other* places
01:01 < daja77> do you know a country with a good history?
01:02 < A-Tui> mnemoc, i like read it, but i'dont like how it was
01:02 < A-Tui> daja77, an non-existing country :)
01:02 < mnemoc> history don't need to be 'good', need to be explicit to avoid new mistakes
01:03 < A-Tui> mnemoc, that's the problem, human being repeat all the time the same mistakes
01:03 * daja77 was born in a country which is now history :))
01:03 < mnemoc> and as objetive as it can be
01:03 < rxr> mnemoc: when you take a look to most modern political stuff I wonder if those "freaks" really leanred s.th. from history ....
01:03 < daja77> no they don't
01:04 < mnemoc> they can't learn something they can't understand
01:05 * daja77 is a freak in another life so don't be so negative about them
01:05 < mnemoc> to be a good polititian you need to be good talking, no other restriction can be applied
01:06 < A-Tui> and a good lier
01:06 < daja77> oh there are some more
01:06 < rxr> yeah - and that is the bad thing about nowadays politicans
01:07 < rxr> I hope this brainless man (?) in the US is not elected again ...
01:07 < daja77> s/nowadays//
01:07 < rxr> yeah - but nowadays they are not much better then the ones in the past
01:07 < daja77> hah maybe they elect the general
01:07 < mnemoc> last week a newpaper found that one of our senators wasn't realy a lawyer as he claimed to be, and that he was on college just until 12 years old :|
01:07 < mnemoc> 6 years being senator btw
01:07 < A-Tui> mnemoc, XD
01:08 < daja77> mnemoc for president
01:08 < mnemoc> ehm
01:08 < A-Tui> here the things are not much better, we have a "slave" of the US chieff
01:09 < rxr> you are in? spain?
01:09 < A-Tui> yes rxr
01:09 < daja77> our chief sold us to china
01:09 < mnemoc> on the irak conquer your president got an 'space' in the picture... where was the one of portugal?
01:11 < A-Tui> mnemoc, portugal had not a very important paper on irak conquer (like in other areas)
01:11 < A-Tui> i think people treat Portugal like a second class country
01:11 < daja77> bah can't stand those daily crap news about sco anymore
01:12 < mnemoc> they turn from funny to bored
01:13 < daja77> roflmao, this one is funny, some days ago their mail servers broke down, which gave their programmers some spare time, one of them worked on the smp part of linux kernel ...
01:14 < mnemoc> lol
01:16 < daja77> apple itunes product of the year *urgs*
01:18 < daja77> ok /me off to bed now
01:18 < daja77> cu
01:19 < A-Tui> bye daja77
01:20 < mnemoc> cu daja77 
01:29 < rxr> is'nt ROCK Linux 2.0.x the product of the year? 
01:29 < rxr> isn't even ...
01:33 < mnemoc> do u really think 2.0.0 will be out this year?
01:34 < rxr> yes
01:34 < mnemoc> let's fight for it :D
01:35 < mnemoc> oh capitan, my capitan!
01:36 < mnemoc> we still in "2 year + some month" from last release ;)
01:37 < mnemoc> rxr: are -cross packages in use? linux24-header-cross needs to be updated
01:37 < rxr> oehm - yes they are in use
01:38 < rxr> can even be used to e.g. quickly compile a e.g. ARM cross compiler on your workstation
01:38 < rxr> but mostly they are for SPARC 64/32
01:38 < mnemoc> there is any reason for being 64/32???
01:39 < rxr> yes - 64 bit user-space is not stable - and the SPARCs are already slow enought
01:39 < rxr> and additionally I can create a CD what works on 32bit SPARC Stations and Ultra SPARCs ...
01:39 < mnemoc> that's good :)
01:39 < rxr> but I also do not like this much - I tried hard to get it 64bit only ... - but in addition that I only have a 270 Mhz U5 a mixed CD is not bad ...
01:39 < mnemoc> just the boot difference
01:40 < rxr> and I have a < 100 Mhz SPARC Station for half a year now - which still waits for the GFX board and keyboard from Ripclaw ...
01:40 < rxr> ok - I'm off to bed - need to visit some flats tomorrow to find a new home ...
01:41 < mnemoc> we need to get famous in 'standard' archs to get some donations :)
01:41 < ierk> you are a chaty group :)
01:41 < mnemoc> we are a _nice_ group of _friends_
01:41 < rxr> I just sent a PowerPC board request to: http://pegasosppc.com/
01:42 < ierk> mnemoc: yes. i do not doubt that.
01:42 < mnemoc> :)
01:42 < rxr> As ROCK Linux Consulting "boss" - I'm looking forward to the response ..
01:42 < ierk> howmany am i going to meet at 20c3?
01:42 < rxr> ierk: 20-25 maybe ...
01:43 < mnemoc> not /me :'(
01:43 < ierk> or if i find the time to come to netrunners place tomorrow
01:44 < ierk> still have to find time to realy look into rock linux.
01:44 < ierk> maybe i should use the time i will sleep (like in 10min) to first have my box build a i586 version of rock
01:45 < ierk> is there any way to configure what package i want it to build? or only the 5 (IIRC) configuration?
01:45 < mnemoc> on build time and install time
01:46 < mnemoc> build time is better
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01:46 < rxr> ierk: you can select them using pattern matching in the Config
01:46 < rxr> and a gui single select / tree select ncurses thing during installtion
01:46 < mnemoc> Config -> Expert -> Package Selection [XO-] expression
01:47 < ierk> rxr: can i tell the build system to build x, but neither gnome nor kde, while still keeping the base gtk?
01:48 < mnemoc> sure you can
01:48 < ierk> oh, well. won't do it tonight anyway.
01:48 < ierk> mnemoc: is there some more indeep documentation than the handbook?
01:49 < rxr> ierk: yes - but you need some expressions for it ...
01:49 < rxr> cu -> n8
01:49 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
01:50 < mnemoc> ierk: the config i use to test gtk#/mono includes only 136 packages
01:51 * ierk is off to bed, too
01:51 < mnemoc> and there is 'minimal+xfree86' template 
01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 ierk 
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03:37 < mnemoc> "GnuPG ElGamal signing keys compromised and format string vulnerability"
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09:35 < blindcoder> mnemoc: fixed in ROCK already
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09:51 < rene> re
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09:52 < blindcoder> moin rxr
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10:54 < daja77> moin
10:55 < blindcoder> moin moin
10:55 < daja77> hey blindy
10:55 < blindcoder> jo
10:56 < blindcoder> dammit, I have to throw away two pairs of trousers
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11:57 < cytrinox`-> moin *gähn*
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12:36 < A-Tui> hi
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13:58 < mnemoc> re
14:01 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
14:10 < mnemoc> the americans catch saddam
14:10 < A-Tui> what?
14:10 < mnemoc> they cathed him alived
14:11 < A-Tui> w0w
14:11 < mnemoc> problem: they will have to judge him
14:11 < owl> what? catched saddam? O_o 
14:12 < mnemoc> at iraq
14:12 < owl> wow. fact. first thought you were kidding. sorry. 
14:12 < A-Tui> me too
14:12 < mnemoc> :(
14:13 < mnemoc> nobody believes mnemoc 
14:13 < A-Tui> :)
14:13 < owl> sorry mnemoc . but this really sound like a joke... but - we'll see, if it _really_ was / is saddam
14:14 < owl> but anyways - i will have breakfast (aka lunch) first
14:14 < A-Tui> reuters said that checked DNA to be sure
14:15 < A-Tui> but i think this don't change too much things
14:15 < owl> hmmm. who checked it? the americans?
14:15 < A-Tui> yes owl
14:15 < A-Tui> like they did with his sons
14:16 < owl> hmmmmmm. america also said "we want to free iraq", but they just wanted the oil -> don't believe american politicans
14:16 < A-Tui> lol yes you are rigth
14:16 < owl> thx :p
14:16 < mnemoc> oil+china
14:16 < owl> hmhm. 
14:17 < A-Tui> but this will stop the underground war?
14:17 < mnemoc> lol :(
14:19 < mnemoc> me wonders about the kurdishs
14:19 < A-Tui> thay way americas "free" iraq have been to dirty to fix things as fast as the say :(
14:20 < mnemoc> do they want to fix them?
14:20 < A-Tui> well the want fix them to get more control :)
14:21 < mnemoc> will they can control without repressing?
14:21 < A-Tui> no :(
14:22 < A-Tui> they ALWAYS are repressing
14:22 < A-Tui> they ALWAYS make treats with dictators goverments (like the Franco spanish)
14:22 < mnemoc> to control they will need to kill and jail *many* ppl
14:22 < A-Tui> mnemoc, sure
14:23 < mnemoc> btw, to killl is cheaper than to jail
14:23 < mnemoc> and more effective
14:24 * mnemoc hates this fscking topic :|
14:27 * mnemoc wonders if americans will create a kurdish country in spite of the opposition of the Turks
14:28 < owl> so. i'm off. forever
14:28 < A-Tui> americans didn't do anything for kurdish people in the past :(
14:28 < mnemoc> good luck owl 
14:28 < A-Tui> bye owl
14:29 < mnemoc> politics sucks
14:30 < A-Tui> yeah,
14:49 < daja77> off forever again?
14:49 < A-Tui> hi daja77
14:49 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
14:51 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
14:51 < daja77> hola mnemoc 
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15:10 < A-Tui> time to luch, cu!
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18:56 < owl> remoin
18:57 < owl> <- shots her creator. 
18:58 < mnemoc> <owl> so. i'm off. forever
18:58 < owl> hm. i escaped from "home".
18:58 < mnemoc> did you kill your father?
18:58 < mnemoc> ehm
18:58 < owl> nope
18:59 < owl> he just screamed to me the whole time and so...
18:59 < mnemoc> so you left your parent's house?
19:00 < owl> "if you leave this house now, you NEVER need/are allowed to come back"
19:00 < owl> yes. i moved to my boyfriend now
19:00 < mnemoc> that *never* is more common that what you can think :)
19:01 < owl> y=
19:01 < owl> ?
19:01 < mnemoc> those 'never's turns void pretty quickly ;)
19:02 < mnemoc> but indepence is good
19:02 < mnemoc> independence
19:03 < mnemoc> does you boyfriend rent it's own apartment?
19:03 < owl> hm. i don't think so. not at my father... he something i would call "fscking idiot" - the only question he had, when i left, was about windows. he cares about it, but not about me. if my bf would not have been in the same room with me and my father, he (my creater) would have hit me again.
19:03 < owl> nope. we're living at his parent's house
19:04 < mnemoc> i was 4 years without talking/seen to any relative 
19:04 < owl> ufff... why, if you allows me this question?
19:05 < mnemoc> because i wanted to rule my life
19:05 < mnemoc> and i did :)
19:05 < mnemoc> and i do
19:06 < mnemoc> after my daughter borns they *never* turns void :)
19:06 < owl> oki.
19:06 < mnemoc> their
19:06 < mnemoc> now we have a 'good' relation
19:06 < owl> congrats. 
19:08 < mnemoc> thanks
19:08 < owl> hmm. my dad and /me never had a good relation... my mum is quite ok, but she is not the dominant person in the family and "prays to my dad"... --> my dad can hit me, till i'm having effusions of blood and she says "he just overreacted"
19:10 < mnemoc> quite old fashioned :| 2003 != 1940
19:10 < mnemoc> what do u plan to do? live with your 'fathers-in-law'?
19:11 < owl> yeah. sure. but my dad is born in 1949, my mum in 1953 -> "pain is the way to learn a children stuff" && "women are for the kitchen, men for the cars"
19:11 < owl> hmmm. faters-in-law? means?
19:12 < owl> you mean the parents of my bf?
19:12 < mnemoc> the fathers of your husband... we use it for boy/girl friends too
19:12 < owl> ah so. hehe. yeah. not husband, but boyfriend :p
19:12 < owl> and - yes, we're welcome here
19:13 < owl> that's such a crap - here i'm accepted as person. not as "at home"... :-(
19:13 < mnemoc> we use the word 'suegros' for 'fathers-in-law' witch is shorter than 'the parents of my bf'
19:13 < owl> hehe. oki 
19:13 < owl> suegros = spanish?
19:14 < mnemoc> yep
19:14 < owl> oki. kewl. thx. .oO(note to self: write it onto card to learn *g*)
19:14 < mnemoc> suegro, suegra, suegros
19:15 < owl> oki. hmmmmmmmm... in spanish the women are also not equal with men, or am i wron?
19:15 < mnemoc> and your are their 'nuera' and he is the 'yerno' of yours
19:15 < mnemoc> father-in-law=suegro, mother-in-law=suegra
19:15 < owl> oki. heehe
19:16 < mnemoc> :)
19:16 < mnemoc> good luck in your new life
19:17 < owl> thx. 
19:17 < owl> i will need it.. especially to complete my drivers license and so... 
19:17 < owl> need the financial help of my parents
19:18 < mnemoc> independence is only obtained when you get your economic independece
19:19 < owl> yeah... but i don't get much money... still
19:20 < mnemoc> you are close to the husband thing :)
19:20 < mnemoc> in the financial aspect
19:21 < mnemoc> or your parents will keep giving you money?
19:21 < owl> hehe. why?
19:21 < mnemoc> you need the man on your side for living :P
19:22 < owl> i dunno. i just need my drivers license first, because i'm already having 1/2 of it... and i would have to pay for the 1/2 of drivers license till yet + drivers license from begin-end when i would start from begin and so.
19:22 < owl> hmm. yeah. him too... 
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19:47 < blindcoder> is here anyone who knows the new rockcrap^Wrocknet stuff?
19:48 < owl> *g* hi blindy
19:49 < blindcoder> hi owl 
19:50 < mnemoc> blindcoder: rene wrote a nice stone module for it
19:50 < mnemoc> one config file, lot of modules with atomic functions
19:51 < mnemoc> modules and functions are keywords on the config file
19:51 < blindcoder> and no help from stone whatsoever
19:52 < blindcoder> I can't get `rc network start` to actually start my interfaces
19:53 < blindcoder> and the handbook seems to be down atm
19:54 < mnemoc> don't know if rene did the rc stuff
19:54 < mnemoc> there is an script (can't remenber the name right now) to up and down interfaces 
19:55 < mnemoc> gotta go to lunch, cu *
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20:25 < owl> neitzsche: ???
20:25 < owl> not nietzsche?
20:35 < daja77> re
20:35 < owl> hi daja77 
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22:21 < fake> gaa
22:21 < fake> can someone hand me straw-0.21.2.tar.bz2 ?
22:21 < fake> or point me to a mirror that has it?
22:21 < daja77> hi fake
22:21 < fake> hi!
22:21 < netcrow> hi fake
22:22 * fake disabling straw (just a news reader, eh)
22:23 * daja77 uses slrn for that purpose anyway
22:29 < daja77> how are you fake?
22:35 < esden_> hi all
22:35 < blindcoder> rxr: ping
22:35 < daja77> hi esden!
22:36 < blindcoder> anyone here knowing his way through rockcrap^H^H^H^Hnet?
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22:37 < mnemoc> :)
22:37 < mnemoc> /etc/network/rocknet default auto up
22:37 < blindcoder> mnemoc: no, that simply doesn't work
22:38 < mnemoc> try with eth0 instead of auto
22:38 < blindcoder> yes, then it works
22:38 < blindcoder> but not at startup which is not what I want
22:39 < mnemoc> auto up doesn't work but eth0 up does?
22:39 < blindcoder> yes
22:39 < mnemoc> did you set auto interfaces on config file?
22:40 < blindcoder> first line: ^auto eth1(default) eth0(default)
22:40 < mnemoc> seems you found a bug :|
22:40 < blindcoder> at least this should be the syntax according to the (uncommented) source
22:40 < blindcoder> oh, there are quite a few more bugs
22:40 < mnemoc> try without the (default)
22:41 < mnemoc> if auto doesn't work by hand can't work on rc ;)
22:41 < blindcoder> in /etc/rc.d/init.d/network there are $ missing before {profile:-default} and other jokes
22:41 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i just mail that
22:41 < blindcoder> whoever released this crap did _NOT_ repeat *NOT* test it
22:41 < rxr> re
22:41 < blindcoder> hi rxr
22:41 < blindcoder> just the man I need right now
22:42 < mnemoc> :)
22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: wtf is the syntax of the /etc/network/config file?
22:42 < rxr> blindcoder: what is your ROCK Net problem
22:42 < rxr> the the handbook
22:42 < rxr> unfortunately DNS is bogus right now
22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: the devices don't start automaticalle
22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: the handbook is down
22:42 < rxr> 212.202.41.132
22:42 < blindcoder> rxr: and a few bugs in the rc scripts
22:43 < blindcoder> mom, editing /etc/hosts
22:43 < rxr> hm - I need th - ... :-(
22:44 < blindcoder> hrm... according to the handbook it should work
22:44 < rxr> let me read scrollback
22:45 < mnemoc> auto s.th for two devs seems to not work
22:45 < rxr> blindcoder: nope
22:45 < blindcoder> mnemoc: auto for one neither
22:45 < rxr> you do not have to specify auto ethX(default)
22:45 < blindcoder> rxr: but?
22:46 < rxr> hm - do do not have you interface sections name interface eth0(default) ?
22:46 < rxr> just "interface eth0" I guess?
22:47 < mnemoc> blindcoder: try without the (default)
22:47 < blindcoder> mom
22:47 < rxr> with auto only "non-profile" interfaces are activated and the ones matching the profile ...
22:48 < blindcoder> nope, with auto nothing gets started, with eth0 it works
22:48 < blindcoder> so /etc/network/rocknet default eth0 up works
22:49 < blindcoder> /etc/network/rocknet default auto up doesn't
22:49 < mnemoc> can you -x it and trace the bug?
22:49 < blindcoder> mom
22:49 < rxr> blindcoder: paste the whole config files in a private querry
22:50 < blindcoder> rxr: ok
22:52 < netrunne1> rxr/blindcoder: i just sent a patch for that.
22:53 < blindcoder> netrunne1: what was the problem?
22:54 < blindcoder> that simple? d'ouh
22:54 * blindcoder trying
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22:55 * netrunner tracking the 'bootcd hangs at boot' problem
22:55 < blindcoder> WEEE
22:55 * blindcoder hugging netrunner 
22:55 < blindcoder> gotta write myself a getprofile script now
22:57 < blindcoder> btw: there are two $ missing in /etc/rc.d/init.d/network (no line numbers right now because no vim yet)
22:57 < blindcoder> still emerging
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23:02 < blindcoder> lines 52 and 60
23:02 < rxr> netrunner: how is the rock meeting ?
23:05 < netrunner> rxr: over, now clifford and me are hunting bugs :)
23:06 < rxr> netrunner: and, who was attending ?
23:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: read and fixed. patch sent.
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23:06 < rxr> greetings to clifford ... ;-)
23:07 < netrunner> rxr: svn.rocklinux-consulting.de down?
23:07 < rxr> nope - just the DNS is buggy
23:07 < rxr> use 212.202.41.132
23:07 < rxr> until th fixed the DNS server ...
23:07 < netrunner> rxr: fake, praenti, nos, esden, clifford, /me
23:08 < netrunner> rxr: hm, I'll use the schillernet one.
23:08 < rxr> but then you need to switch --relocate
23:08 < rxr> you just would need one entry in /etc/hosts ...
23:10 < rxr> netrunner: could you bug clifford to copy the two mine version at
23:10 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/software/incoming/
23:10 < rxr> to the official place ?
23:10 < blindcoder> btw: it would probably be a good idea to add XFS support to the 2.4 kernel, wouldn't it?
23:14 < netrunner> rxr: he'll do it as soon as your dns is fixed.
23:15 < rxr> why?
23:15 < rxr> the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server has not this DNS problem ...
23:15 < rxr> and it is not "my" DNS ...
23:19 < rxr> netrunner: and you do not need to put "was this tested" comments into your mails
23:19 < netrunner> rxr: have you?
23:20 < rxr> I did not saw an error and did not single stepped the file in bash-db
23:20 < rxr> when I need to do most stuff alone without much sleep error might slip in
23:20 < cytrinox> gn8
23:22 < blindcoder> rxr: one last (I hope) question: the ethX devices that match the current profile always get started, don't they?
23:23 < netrunner> rxr: well, you're the maintainer, so you decide if patches need to be tested or just reviewed ... but as you can see, testing has some advances.
23:24 < rxr> I just ROCK Net dayly - that should classify as testing - if I would have had a problem it would have been fixed
23:25 < rxr> blindcoder: if I understand you Q right no
23:25 < rxr> only interfaces listed in the auto keyword get started
23:25 < rxr> when run as rocknet ... auto ...
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23:25 < clifford> salve!
23:26 < blindcoder> rxr: okay, so "auto eth1" will start "interface eth1($profile)"?
23:26 < netrunner> clifford: hi 8)
23:26 * blindcoder shoots back at clifford :)
23:26 < clifford> -                             "irqplmcdk:tvfhHR:")) != -1 ) {
23:26 < clifford> +                             "irqplmcdk:tvfhHRx:")) != -1 ) {
23:26 < blindcoder> hi clifford 
23:26 < daja77> hi clifford 
23:27 < clifford> rxr: was that me or you who applied that?
23:27 < clifford> hi all.
23:27 < rxr> clifford: yes you from Chris 
23:27 < clifford> s/Rx:/R:x/  (btw)
23:27 < clifford> hm... too bad.
23:27 < rxr> nah - -x also takes one arguement
23:28 < rxr> so R:x: (I think)
23:28 < rxr> ah - yes sure - right
23:28 < rxr> just did that
23:28 < rxr> svn diff -r 20:21 http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/mine
23:28 < rxr> clifford: already tagged and released
23:28 < rxr> clifford: btw you should not release mine tarballes (or whatever) with .svn dirs
23:28 < rxr> mine-0.15 has this
23:29 < clifford> I know.
23:29 < clifford> I've had no time to test this patch and didn't want to release a new mine without testing it first....
23:30 < rxr> oeh !?!? It was not tested at all?
23:30 < mnemoc> the rene applied a hotfix and just release ;)
23:30 < rxr> damn I did just tested the things I changed in the 0.16 version
23:30 * rxr hoping for the best ...
23:31 < mnemoc> sane people don't do things for bad :)
23:31 < clifford> well - I had chirs' word that it is tested and it looked good enought to be applied in svn. I've not intened to release it as it is.
23:32 < clifford> Also: I was not happy with the way this -x thing handles the flist files.
23:32 < rxr> ... - you have some free xmas days to reimplement it ...
23:32 * daja77 will be offline ove xmas
23:32 < rxr> clifford: I was also not happy with the patch - but I would not have applied it - and as you applied it I thought "Well I do not need it - why comment on it .."
23:32 < blindcoder> hmm... I wonder if I forgot something in my kernel now...
23:33 < rxr> I need some food now - cu a bit later
23:35 < rxr> does anyone has the phone number of th handy ?
23:36 < clifford> rxr: why didn't you just add your patch to package/base/mine/ as usual???
23:37 < clifford> ( I don't make any gsmp releases too ... ;)
23:38 < mnemoc> postsysfiles.in is not loaded by sysfiles anymore??
23:39 < rxr> clifford: because there have already been some - and I asked for mine releases weeks ago ...
23:39 < rxr> yes - but mine should be some community project of us
23:39 < rxr> it's like telling people to use glibc-2.3.3 out of the CVS because there is just no release tarball
23:40 < mnemoc> that sounds familiar to me :(
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23:42 < clifford> no - just doing random releases out of the current svn is like telling people to use the glibc cvs.
23:43 < clifford> the idea behind making releasesis to make some more intensive testing before releasing something.
23:43 < mnemoc> question: is it right (for ROCK standard) that opt/foo/bin/* are linked to /usr/bin ?
23:43 < rxr> all the other stuff was tested - that you apply things you do not want to have in this shape is not the best idea
23:43 < clifford> and the reason why i sometimes need a while for making a release is that i want to test it first....
23:44 < clifford> so - why do you make rock releases if you only apply stuff to the svn which is ok anyways?
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23:46 < fake> hi clifford 
23:46 < clifford> hi fake.
23:47 < rxr> because we have far more side-effects within ROCK - and because sometimes - sure - bugs are in the changes
23:48 < rxr> I could not imagine that you let untested changes hangin in mine for over two months
23:49 < clifford> rxr: Having a non-functional -R in mine has the little side effect that the installation doesn't work at all.
23:50 < rxr> I know
23:50 < clifford> I was (and am) in the oppinion that the glob patch is a step in the right direction - and so I've applied it.
23:50 < rxr> Open Source - release early release often
23:50 < rxr> maybe the bug would be in SVN for some more months ... otherwise - so be happy
23:51 < rxr> I'll reconnect my DSL line for a test - cu
23:51 < clifford> The SVN tree is the development tree and I see no reason for letting a patch file liggering around for multiple months until I've got the time to finetune it.
23:54 < rxr> what is the problem now? I did not freak up on it - I just fixed it - and was just suprised that it was not tested.
23:54 < clifford> Noone (except RedHat, as we know) would use a random CVS checkout of gcc for their production distribution. Why do we have to use a svn version of a package manager in our distribution?????
23:56 < rxr> if you would respond to mails in less then weeks such mismatch would not show up
23:57 < rxr> 11/08  839 To:clifford@cliffo mine
23:57 < clifford> So it's my fault that you take untested code from the svn and release it?
23:58 < rxr> clifford: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
23:58 < rxr> shoudl I release 0.18 without the glob patch?
23:59 < rxr> should I fork mine?
23:59 < clifford> Do you mean that serious?
23:59 < clifford> Why not forking every project we have a bugfix in our package tree?
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