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02:16 < mnemoc> what a fight is herbert poetzl (vserser) having with parisc-linux ppl =)
02:16 < mnemoc> (trying to register a syscall)
02:16 < mnemoc> iirc he was with clifford on some meeting short time ago
02:26 * daja77 met him on dev meeting
02:26 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
02:27 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
02:30 < mnemoc> what are you doing at this time of the night? (trying to create talking)
02:34 * daja77 on the phone
02:35 < daja77> and playing monkey island mp3s
02:35 < mnemoc> monkey island mp3s?? from where?
02:36 < daja77> some friends
02:36 < mnemoc> cool
02:36 * daja77 got the games too for scummvm
02:38 < daja77> http://lospalmos.homelinux.net/mnemoc
02:39 < mnemoc> =)
02:39 < mnemoc> thank you!! 
02:39 < daja77> np :)
02:39 < daja77> beware this server is slow (isdn)
02:41 < daja77> one is a rock version :))
02:41 < mnemoc> :)
02:43 < mnemoc> why 'lospalmos'?
02:43 < daja77> have that doamin too, lospalmos.net
02:44 < mnemoc> but... does it mean somehitng? sound like a place
02:45 < daja77> at that time i thought about a domain i was about to travel to southern france, and creating a talk about PamlOS :D
02:45 < daja77> PalmOS
02:45 < mnemoc> lol
02:46 < daja77> http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/home/start.php?gi=lectures&li=palmlin
02:48 < daja77> sorry started rock src download atm, hope your downloads will be fine anyway
02:49 * daja77 off to bed now
02:50 < mnemoc> good night daja
02:52 < mnemoc> thanks a lot for the mp3s
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07:08 < netrunner> moin
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07:30 < Aard> moin netrunner 
07:31 * netrunner -> uni 
07:31 < netrunner> moin Aard :)
07:32 < Aard> netrunner: any hints where to find documentation on animated x cursors?
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07:51 < Baldzius> hi :)
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08:42 < MadTux> moin all
08:47 < SMP> hi Mike
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08:49 < MadTux> hello Stefan.
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09:35 < rxr_> re
09:35 < MadTux> hi rxr
09:36 < rxr_> hi MadTux 
09:42 < holyolli> moin
09:44 < holyolli> hola MadTux
09:44 < MadTux> Olli!
09:46 < holyolli> :)
09:47 < holyolli> MadTux: did everything worked with your flight?
09:48 < MadTux> no it didn't.
09:48 < holyolli> :(
09:48 < MadTux> I decided to pospone the trip for now. :(
09:48 < holyolli> but why...there were free seats on all of them
09:48 < MadTux> will wait for low seasson
09:48 < MadTux> I called and they said there weren't
09:49 < holyolli> strange
09:49 < MadTux> tell me about it :(
09:51 < holyolli> did you get my msgs 2 days ago?
09:51 < MadTux> yes i did. sorry i didn't reply, i've been very busy lately
09:51 < holyolli> no prob
09:51 < MadTux> query
10:22 < rxr_> this is so damn fustrating - the kde-3.2 stuff just builds fine on x86 - and even the basic Qt crashes horrible on PowerPC
10:22 < MadTux> grrr...
10:24 < rxr_> damn dynamic linker ...
10:24 < rxr_> has mnemoc reported any success with the glibc CVS checkout ?
10:25 < MadTux> not that i know.. 
10:32 < rxr_> ok - cu later
11:02 < daja77> moin
11:02 < MadTux> hi Dany :)
11:03 < daja77> hi Miguel
11:20 < fake> hi
11:20 < daja77> hi fake
11:20 < MadTux> 'lo fake
11:21 < cytrinox`> moin
11:21 < MadTux> hi cytrinox`
11:25 * daja77 off cu later
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13:28 < LimeLoop> hi
13:33 < daja77> hi LimeLoop 
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13:34 < mnemoc> re
13:34 < daja77> wb mnemoc 
13:34 < mnemoc> i loose my uptime :(
13:34 < daja77> *gg*
13:35 < daja77> you got the files`
13:35 < daja77> ?
13:35 < LimeLoop> did clifford wrote somethin today?
13:35 < mnemoc> no file lost :)
13:35 < daja77> :))
13:35 < daja77> no he hasn't
13:41 < mnemoc> rxr will have a hell job reading the ML when we returns ;-)
13:41 < daja77> wasn#t that much traffic
13:42 < mnemoc> not yet :))
13:42 < daja77> hehe
13:43 < mnemoc> may be i'll wait until next 'applied'-round
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14:28 < rxr_> mnemoc: hi
14:28 < daja77> hi rxr
14:28 < rxr_> mnemoc: what is the status of a glibc snapshot package and the iproute2 updarte ?
14:31 < rxr_> hi daja77 
14:34 < mnemoc> rxr_ i have a building iproue2-ahu-head
14:34 < mnemoc> but glibc233 don't want to build
14:36 < mnemoc> i though about skiping nptl on stage 0
14:36 < mnemoc> but thi box is as updated as the toolsdir of the build
14:37 < mnemoc> then i guess it will fail on stage 1 too
14:39 < mnemoc> i'll mail them today
14:40 < mnemoc> google said the problem is solved with binuitls .0.5 but i'm using .0.7
14:42 < mnemoc> do u want to update for rc4?
14:43 < rxr_> mnemoc: when you disable ntpl it builds?
14:44 < rxr_> not for -rc4 - but for my iBook to see if it fixes the dynamic linker ...
14:44 < mnemoc> not tested yet... let's do it :)
14:44 < rxr_> we do not yet need ntpl
14:45 < rxr_> can you send me the iproute2 and glibc diff just as they are - so I can pla with them ? ;-)
14:46 < mnemoc> i'm playing with my smtp right now but after that i'll send you the diffs
14:58 < mnemoc>  brb
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15:03 < SMP> NPTL is tricky, I tried building glibc-2.3.2 with it
15:03 < rxr_> SMP: ack
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15:21 < SMP> NPTL needs GCC-3.3 and GCC-3.3 need a glibc with a threading implemenation, so stage 0 needs to be built with LinuxThreads
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15:30 < SMP> or maybe stage 1, too? can't remember...
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16:42 < mnemoc> re
16:42 < rxr_> hi mnemoc 
16:43 < rxr_> oh:
16:43 < rxr_> top - 16:44:24 up 97 days, 17:32, 20 users,  load average: 14.54, 13.66, 13.39
16:43 < mnemoc> i had 167 days :( until last night 
16:44 < rxr_> nah - I mean my load ;-)
16:44 < rxr_> but I want to boot into an updated kernel tonight ...
16:44 < mnemoc> 2.6.0?
16:44 < rxr_> hm - most memory intensive app on the server (with subversion and all) is:
16:44 < rxr_> 27422 rene       9   0  128m  77m  63m S  0.0 15.3  91:37.67 xemacs
16:44 < rxr_> mnemoc: nah
16:45 < rxr_> # cat /proc/version 
16:45 < rxr_> Linux version 2.4.21-rock
16:45 < rxr_> so 2.4.23-rock
16:45 < rxr_> ;-)
16:45 < rxr_> maybe with -ipsec patch - I need to think about this later
16:45 < rxr_> the 2.4.21 kernel seems to have some bugs:
16:45 < rxr_>     4 root       9   0     0    0    0 Z  0.0  0.0  12:28.59 kswapd <defunct>  
16:45 < rxr_> ...
16:45 < mnemoc> :o
16:46 < rxr_> and the IO performance is not like it was when I first booted the kernel (and what I'm used to)
16:46 < rxr_> the high load values might be related to the general IO unresponsiveness ...
16:47 < mnemoc> i use/want to believe that this entropy is exclusive to windows :(
16:48 < rxr_> sure windows is much worse - and usually I do not have such problem
16:48 < rxr_> +s
16:48 < rxr_> this is the first time - and it get's annoying
16:48 < rxr_> I also think the people did to much on 2.4 - too much changes with too less releases ...
16:50 < rxr_> mnemoc: glibc patch? 
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16:59 < mnemoc> ehm... i'll have to re-open mutt :-\
16:59 < mnemoc> 9786 mails to download
17:01 < mnemoc> can i set somekind of 'imap-cache' in mutt?
17:07 < rxr_> don't know ...
17:08 < rxr_> (never used mutt)
17:10 < mnemoc> rxr: glibc23 sent to gmx.net
17:15 < rxr_> mnemoc: thanks
17:15 < SMP> no, mutt has no offline cache. why do you have such such folders? ;) and most of all, why do you need to open it in order to send a mail..? ;)
17:16 < SMP> s,such,huge,2
17:17 < mnemoc> after some buggy rule application with thunderbird  my inbox got x4
17:18 < mnemoc> i had an pre-opened mutt (inside an screen) for 167 days but last night the electricity failed 3 time and the UPS couldn't help me :(
17:18 < SMP> is 710MB enough for src.* in a build?
17:20 < mnemoc> mm.. not so sure
17:39 < rolla> re
17:45 < mnemoc> wb rolla 
17:51 < rolla> thanks
18:15 < rxr_> SMP: for some big stuff - like mozilla 710 MB might be too small
18:30 < holyolli> re
18:32 * rolla is compiling kernel 2.6
18:34 < mnemoc> rxr: why did you 'half-apply' the fix for subversion?
18:34 < mnemoc> did you can build it without removing bdb40.patch??
18:46 < mnemoc> wb holyolli@de :)
18:47 < holyolli> hi mnemoc@cl ;-)
18:47 < holyolli> .oO(i hope .cl is chile... ;-)
18:50 < mnemoc> yep ;)
18:51 < mnemoc> are you at .de to stay there or just 'holydays'?
18:58 < daja77> re
18:59 < mnemoc> hi daja
19:08 < rxr_> mnemoc: thanks for the reminder
19:09 < Aard> any hints how to change the X11 mousecursor (xfree 4.3) without resterting X?
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19:11 < tcr> moin all
19:11 < rxr_> Aard: jups:
19:11 < rxr_> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/oss/darkglass/
19:12 < rxr_> but this only affects newly start applications - if the program has no support to change the cursor after it is started (none has this yet I guess) 
19:12 < rxr_> started even
19:14 < Aard> hm, it only affects newly started applications from that term
19:15 < mnemoc> ehm... make[1]: Cross_CC_not_built_so_far_cc: Command not found
19:15 < Aard> there _must_ be a way to change the global X cursor -- iirc latest gnome uses that
19:17 < rxr_> mnemoc: ?
19:18 < mnemoc> building 1-iproute2
19:18 < mnemoc> but i guess it's not related with iproute2
19:22 < rxr_> mnemoc: the glibc mails does not seem to have arrived yet
19:22 < mnemoc> mmm
19:22 < mnemoc> @gmx.net ?
19:25 < rxr_> send it to rene@rocklinux.org - it is the easiest - but yes it has not yet arrived
19:31 < rxr_> I reboot my server now ...
19:31 < rxr_> cu 
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19:41 < rene> re
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19:41 < rxr> ok - 2.4.23 up
19:41 < rxr> hopefully we have not so many local root exploits in it, soon ...
19:44 < tcr> Apropos kernels, anyone running 2.6 with lvm?
19:45 < SMP> tcr: absolutely
19:45 < tcr> SMP, heh I guessed you are :) 
19:45 < tcr> SMP, last time I tried I ran into problems with out lvm tools, I guess, they're not lvm2 compliant
19:45 < tcr> may that be?
19:46 < tcr> s,out,our,
19:46 < SMP> uhm
19:46 < SMP> no, you need device-mapper and LVM2 tools
19:46 < tcr> Actually I checked the source package (that we ship) and the readme said that it should understand lvm2
19:46 < tcr> Well that means if I got it right
19:47 < tcr> SMP: device mapper? Wasn't that some kernel patch?
19:47 < SMP> 1.0.8 != 2 ;)
19:47 < tcr> SMP: wait
19:47 < SMP> no, dm is the std. and only API in 2.6 for this
19:48 < SMP> both LVM2 and EVMS are just frontends to it
19:48 < SMP> LVM2 is rather lightweight compared to LVM(1)
19:49 < SMP> you can patch dm into 2.4 and use LVM2 on that, too.
19:49 < SMP> I tested a migration from LVM to dm/LVM2 with 2.4 kernel. even that works nicely
19:50 < tcr> SMP: k, found a link to dm and lvm2 on the sistina homepage
19:50 < SMP> there is one thing that I don't understand about LVM2
19:50 < tcr> SMP, see what made me think that 1.0.8 is capable of grokking lvm2 is this readme: ftp://ftp.sistina.com/pub/LVM/1.0/README
19:50 < SMP> it seems to be impossible to have more than 9 active LVs in a VG at any one time
19:51 < tcr> second paragraph
19:51 < SMP> oh, yeah, the stupid metadata change in beta7
19:51 < SMP> it sucked. they fixed it in beta8
19:51 < tcr> I somewhat misinterpretated "new format (version 2)" :)
19:52 < SMP> LVM2 uses an even different format, but it recognizes LVM metadata and can (optionally?) upgrade it
19:52 < tcr> SMP, (re: maximum of 9 active lvs in a vg) Really?!
19:53 < tcr> Guess what I'm having 10 in one vg at the moment
19:53 < SMP> me too
19:53 < SMP> I specifically tested latest kernel, dm and LVM2 packages
19:53 < tcr> SMP: do I need to adjust rock init scripts ?
19:54 < SMP> of course you have - because ROCK init scripts are rather stupid
19:55 < rxr> mnemoc: arround ?
19:55 < mnemoc> pong
19:55 < rxr> mnemoc: does the try glibc compile for you ?
19:56 < mnemoc> fails as the mail to the list said
19:56 * tcr lols at stupid sistina advertising tricks
19:56 < mnemoc> CFI s.th not availabel
19:56 < mnemoc> available*
19:56 < mnemoc> didn't test 'disabling' nptl
19:57 < rxr> ok - I give it a prefix=/opt/glibc233 try on PowerPC
19:58 < SMP> tcr: also some of the more advanced functions^Whacks of LVM are still incomplete in LVM2
19:59 < tcr> SMP: I'm using lvm just to give devices more reasonable names and for resizing on demand (well I had to mirror some partition in past too)
20:00 < SMP> PV                     VG   Fmt  Attr PSize  PFree
20:00 < SMP> /dev/discs/disc0/part8 vg00 lvm2 a-   70,43G 6,94G
20:00 < SMP> incredible how 'small' an 80Gig HD can be ;(
20:00 < rxr> has anyone done a gcc33 build recently ?
20:01 < SMP> tcr: I run '/sbin/vgchange --ignorelockingfailure -ay' from /etc/conf/devfs 
20:01 < rxr> mnemoc: 
20:01 < rxr> checking size of long double... 8
20:01 < rxr> running configure fragment for sysdeps/powerpc/powerpc32/elf
20:01 < rxr> running configure fragment for nptl/sysdeps/pthread
20:01 < rxr> configure: error: compiler support for __thread is required
20:01 < mnemoc> :|
20:02 < SMP> rxr: what's your host compiler?
20:02 < mnemoc> gcc-33
20:02 < rxr> gcc-3.2.3
20:02 < SMP> well you can't build NPTL with < 3.3
20:02 < SMP> it lacks TLS
20:03 < tcr> SMP: does that lvm2 tarball contain replacements for the old programms of the lvm1 package?
20:03 < rxr> SMP: I do not want that crap - I just want a glibc where the dyn-linker is not that buggy for PowerPC as the 3.2.3 stuff is
20:03 < rxr> why can't they do maintenance 2.3 releases and put new - defunct crap - into 2.4
20:03 < rxr> 3.4 even
20:04 < SMP> tcr: it contains a superset of the lvm1 programs
20:04 < SMP> rxr: then why are you looking into NPTL? just disable it and use LinuxThreads ...
20:05 < rxr> SMP: I just reported what the try package mnemoc sent me results in
20:05 < rxr> SMP:  --without-__thread ?
20:05 < rxr> SMP: and the configure could do this itselfs ...
20:05 < SMP> I don't know how to disable NPTL
20:05 < mnemoc> --without-nptl i guess
20:05 < tcr> SMP: wee, did you uninstall the files of the rock pkg? Then built the new lvm2 stuff and lived with it? If not, do you think it's safe, as something could go wrong...
20:06 < mnemoc> or remove that bastard from SUBDIRS
20:07 < rxr> mnemoc: my configure has no --without-nptl ...
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20:07 < mnemoc> :(
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20:07 < holyolli_> re
20:07 < mnemoc> cd src.glibc23*; cd glibc*; grep nptl *
20:08 < mnemoc> it has no be somewhere
20:08 < rxr> grep -r if you want useful output ..
20:09 < SMP> tcr: well first of all you will need to boot a 2.6 kernel or 2.4 patched with device-mapper to make use of LVM2 utils at all. when I tested the migration, I had a rescue root. best bet would be to back up the lvm package on the non-lvm / filesystem and install the new one. you might have to run vgscan in single-user from the new kernel ...
20:11 < tcr> SMP: I don't think I understand you. What exactly do you mean with "make use of LVM2 utils at all"? 
20:11 < SMP> you cannot replace LVM utils with LVM2 utils.
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20:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I give --without-tls --without-__thread a try
20:12 < SMP> you can replace stock 2.4 kernel and LVM utils with 2.6/patched 2.4 kernel and LVM2 utils
20:12 < tcr> How's that meant? I thought lvm2 tools are capable of lvm1 format?
20:12 < SMP> the on-disk metadata format, but not the kernel interface
20:12 < tcr> For everyone interested: Enterprise is comming right now
20:13 < SMP> like I said, LVM2 is a frontend to dm, traditional LVM works entirely different on the kernel side
20:14 < SMP> I lost my NPTL tarball :(
20:15 < SMP> rxr: unpack glibc-linuxthreads, use --enable-addons=linuxthreads or somethine like that
20:15 < SMP> rxr: or try --disable-addons=nptl or removing nptl entirely
20:16 < tcr> SMP: Ah, I see
20:16 < tcr> Thank you for your time / now away watching enterprise
20:18 < rxr> SMP: thanks - i joust found out that this without* stuff is not enought
20:18 < mnemoc> SMP there is no glibc-linuxthreads for 2.3.3 yet, only snapshots
20:19 < SMP> oh great, then forget about building glibc-2.3.3 without a gcc-3.3 host compiler
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20:20 < mnemoc> i only have gcc-3.3.2 on my 'host' machine and i couldn't build it
20:21 < rxr> mnemoc: in the CVS checkout linuxthreads are included ...
20:21 < mnemoc> i tryed to said that :|
20:22 < SMP> is there a fix to build with _only_ bdb42 yet?
20:22 < rxr> ah - I thought you mean it is also not included at all
20:22 < SMP> db -> db42/ symlink mising ...
20:22 < mnemoc> disable the noinst-mayor.patch and uncomment the last 2 lines below .conf
20:22 < rxr> SMP: jups - remove the disable-major patch from bdb42 and disable the other packages
20:23 < SMP> ah, that patch where I didn't grok why it had to be removed. thanks
20:26 < mnemoc> SMP i understood nothing of what you just said :|
20:26 < SMP> don't worry. it was bad English and not important ;)
20:28 * SMP rebuilding 5-bdb42 ...
20:28 < SMP> 762 builds total, 261 completed fine, 4 with errors.
20:28 < SMP> -1 error already fixed
20:29 < tcr> Heh
20:30 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - this GNU dung starts building ...
20:31 < mnemoc> cool
20:31 < tcr> Hrrmm... just compiling a 2.4er kernel: omg, the make output of 2.6 kernels is so much nicer...
20:35 < mnemoc> bbl
20:35 < SMP> WHAT THE HELL
20:35 < rxr> SMP: ?
20:36 < SMP> there is an unconditional #include <db33/db_185.h> in gnome-libs/libgnome/gnome-metadata.c
20:36 < SMP> what are these people smoking?
20:37 < rxr> ...
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20:56 < rxr> mnemoc: still building in misc ...
20:57 < rxr> sysvipc
20:59 < rxr> linuxthreads
20:59 < rxr> resolv
21:00 < rxr> inet
21:03 < rxr> sunrpc
21:07 < rxr> gmon
21:07 < rxr> io
21:10 < rxr> ...
21:10 < rxr> string
21:13 < rxr> iconvdata
21:13 < rxr> have I mentioned that I need a G5 or so for PowerPC builds ...
21:23 < rxr> math
21:25 < rxr> stdio-common
21:27 < rxr> mnemoc: might I delegate yet another interesting task to you?
21:28 < rxr> pwd
21:28 < rxr> posix
21:28 < rxr> io
21:28 < rxr> termios
21:28 < rxr> resource
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21:28 < rxr> socket
21:28 < A-Tui> hi all
21:28 < rxr> sysvipc
21:28 < rxr> hi A-Tui 
21:29 < A-Tui> hola rxr
21:29 < rxr> ...
21:29 < rxr> crypt
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21:42 < owl> scheiss... 
21:42 < owl> e
21:46 -!- owl is now known as stonedSantaClaus
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21:55 < netcrow> santaclaus? 
21:55 < netcrow> hm
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22:01 < stonedSantaClaus> yeah.
22:01 < stonedSantaClaus> <-- feels totally "verpeilt" because of being ill
22:06 < daja77> owl?
22:06 < stonedSantaClaus> daja77: ?
22:06 < daja77> just wondering
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22:07 < stonedSantaClaus> *g* i'm having schnupfen like hell, having fever (at least i think so because of having schuettelfrost) and husten and so. 
22:07 < holyolli> re
22:07 < stonedSantaClaus> hi holyolli 
22:07 < holyolli> hi stonedSantaClaus *g*
22:08 < stonedSantaClaus> .oO(note to self: don't press enter, if you haven't typed in something in the console *gnarf*)
22:08 < stonedSantaClaus> why laughing holyolli ? 
22:08 < holyolli> stonedSantaClaus: just for the funny nick
22:09 < stonedSantaClaus> *hrhr*
22:09 * stonedSantaClaus "laesst gleich den knueppel aus den sack"
22:10 < holyolli> urks.
22:10 < daja77> that's another story
22:10 < stonedSantaClaus> hoeh?
22:14 < rxr> hi daja77 
22:14 < daja77> hi rxr
22:14 < holyolli> huhu daja77, rxr
22:15 < daja77> any good news for me?
22:15 < rxr> daja77: good news? like a -rc4 tag ?
22:15 < daja77> sth like that
22:15 < rxr> yep on the way
22:16 < daja77> cool
22:17 * daja77 already downloaded gnome24 stuff this night
22:19 * stonedSantaClaus infects #rocklinux 's dev members with the fscking virus to make them less active than they 're currently are *hrhr*
22:20 < stonedSantaClaus> true: want one, too?
22:20 < Aard> daja77: you pervert..
22:20 < stonedSantaClaus> hi Aard 
22:21 < true> stonedSantaClaus: aehm noe thx :p 
22:21 < stonedSantaClaus> .oO(the hoppelndes erdferkel awakes)
22:21 < stonedSantaClaus> true: hehe. but - attention, guess you will be ill on 24th.
22:22 < daja77> Aard: it is part of the distribution, haven't said a word about using it
22:22 < true> stonedSantaClaus: hm... i don't think so :p cause i think my immune system is not soooo bad :p
22:23 < stonedSantaClaus> true: who has schnupfen all over the year? :p
22:23 < true> stonedSantaClaus: you :p
22:23 < stonedSantaClaus> true: nah :p
22:24 < true> stonedSantaClaus: what :) ?
22:24 < stonedSantaClaus> nothing
22:26 < stonedSantaClaus> true: gesundheit... .oO(who said something abo0ut a stabiles immunsystem?)
22:26 < esden> hi all
22:26 < true> stonedSantaClaus: aehm *cough* did i?
22:26 < stonedSantaClaus> hi esdy! :p
22:26 < stonedSantaClaus> true: sure
22:27 < true> stonedSantaClaus: hm ok not stabile but betten than yours :p 
22:27 < mnemoc> re all
22:27 < esden> hi owl ;)
22:27 < daja77> wb mnemoc 
22:27 < stonedSantaClaus> hi mnemoc 
22:27 < esden> hi mnemoc 
22:27 < daja77> hi esden 
22:28 < esden> hi daja77 !
22:28 < daja77> :)
22:28 < mnemoc> :)
22:31 < stonedSantaClaus> someone knows a good, exclusive name for an budgie?
22:32 < true> stonedSantaClaus: "bubi" *scnr*
22:32 < stonedSantaClaus> true: *kick*
22:32 < true> har
22:33 < esden> "pupsi"
22:33 < esden> ;)
22:33 < mnemoc> wossie
22:33 < mnemoc> nice name :)
22:33 < stonedSantaClaus> *rofl*
22:33 < true> "bird" :p
22:33 < stonedSantaClaus> nah
22:34 < esden> "boobsi" is also a nice name
22:35 < stonedSantaClaus> waaah. no :p
22:35 < daja77> or owly
22:35 < esden> or "weedy"
22:35 < mnemoc> esden: hi, can you mail me your diff of dietlibc update? 
22:35 < stonedSantaClaus> weedy! that's it *lol*
22:35 < mnemoc> esden: how are you lostboy?
22:35 < esden> mnemoc: havn't I sent it to you before?
22:35 < esden> stonedSantaClaus: sure ;)
22:35 < mnemoc> esden: i think so, but don't know where i have it :(
22:35 < rxr> hi esden 
22:36 < rxr> esden: will you be at CCC ?
22:36 < esden> rxr: nope 
22:36 < netcrow> hi esden
22:36 < stonedSantaClaus> O_o
22:36 < esden> rxr: I need to chill
22:36 < esden> I really need it >_<
22:36 < daja77> freeze esden freeze
22:38 < esden> brrr
22:38 * mnemoc is melting :\
22:39 < stonedSantaClaus> why this?
22:39 < esden> hmm mnemoc get's wet in my presence ... nice to know ;)
22:39 < mnemoc> mmmm
22:39 < mnemoc> not in THAT sense
22:39 < netcrow> in germany there isn`t a santa claus? he`s called nikolaus ? ;-)
22:48 < daja77> nope, nikolaus != santa claUS
22:48 < daja77> damn capslock
22:49 < esden> daja77: remove it, it would help ;)
22:50 < daja77> hehe
22:50 < stonedSantaClaus> aeh? thought it's the same?
22:50 < daja77> no
22:50 < daja77> santa claus = weihnachtsmann
22:50 < netcrow> christkindl ;-)
22:50 < daja77> guy who appears on xmas
22:50 < stonedSantaClaus> weihnachtsmann = nikolaus?
22:50 < stonedSantaClaus> O_o
22:50 < daja77> nikolaus comes on dec 6th
22:51 < netcrow> he comes?
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22:51 < mnemoc> sant niKoLAUS
22:51 < daja77> he is sort of a helper to santa
22:51 < mnemoc> saint*
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22:52 < daja77> mnemoc: yep
22:52 < esden> hmm ... compiling such a big kernel takes ages ... *sigh*
22:52 < mnemoc> nikolaus a helper of santa? what a chaotic view you ppl (german) have :|
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22:52 < tcr> mnemoc, No, we got it right
22:53 < mnemoc> esden: you have time to mail me the diff ;)
22:53 < esden> thank god I am not german ;)
22:53 < esden> *GG*
22:53 < daja77> well /me raised in a non christian environment
22:53 < stonedSantaClaus> thank $whateverwhoever that i'm a "mix"
22:53 < tcr> but sant nikolaus ain't a helpe of the Weihnachtsmann, that's nonsense
22:53 < mnemoc> esden: you can't be wrong, you are from the pope's country :)
22:53 < daja77> maybe helper is the wrong word
22:56 < tcr> Santa Claus or Sant Nikolaus was a cathelic bishop who helped poor people and which he was pronounced holy for
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22:56 < mnemoc> a bishop with a 'nice' miracle when we was in jail
22:56 < daja77> yes the tradition of dec 6th is based on hom
22:57 < daja77> him
22:57 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
22:57 < daja77> hi blindy
22:57 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder 
22:57 < stonedSantaClaus> hi blindy
22:57 * daja77 thinking of starting a build tonight?
22:57 < mnemoc> what's dec 6th?
22:58 < tcr> The typical Santa Clause (the old fat man with a white bart etc) is a kind of idol created by the americans I guess and we copied it (not sure about that)
22:58 < daja77> kids get sweeties into their polished shoes
22:58 < blindcoder> something was _seriously_ screwed here...
22:58 < esden> only 6 minutes for nwn download to finish
22:58 < blindcoder> Dec 19 19:17:53 scavenger sendmail[368]: rejecting connections on daemon MTA: load average: 468
22:58 < mnemoc> that was created by CocaCola :)
22:59 < blindcoder> 902...
22:59 < esden> blindcoder: wooohooo you are the loadmaster ;)
22:59 < stonedSantaClaus> wtf are you doing?
22:59 < tcr> mnemoc, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas
22:59 < blindcoder> 1023...
22:59 < daja77> mnemoc: no only the red coat afaik
23:00 < blindcoder> 1024 being the biggest value
23:00 < mnemoc> wikipedia needs pictures :(
23:00 < blindcoder> apart from that nothing usable in messages
23:01 < mnemoc> btw, why the f* Switzerland=.ch???
23:01 < tcr> hm?
23:01 < mnemoc> CHile is more .ch than Switzerland
23:01 < holyolli> *g*
23:01 < daja77> now that you mention it, i live in a former protestant area
23:01 < blindcoder> I knew that once...
23:02 < daja77> Confederation Helvetica
23:02 < esden> ahh christkind was created by the protestants ... now everything gets clear to me ;)
23:02 < stonedSantaClaus> hoeh??? esden ?
23:02 < mnemoc> daja77: thanks
23:02 < esden> I mean that they renamed nikolaus to christkind ... 
23:03 < tcr> "Santa's image was further modernized by the Coca-Cola company, who at the turn of the 20th Century featured the character in a variety of advertising campaigns. These campaigns helped establish a "uniform" Santa character, whereas prior to this his appearance and costume had varied from artist to artist."
23:03 < mnemoc> i said CocaCola :)
23:03 < tcr> you were right mnemoc
23:03 * blindcoder gone
23:04 < daja77> cu blindcoder 
23:04 < mnemoc> good... trip? blindcoder 
23:04 < esden> cu blindcoder 
23:05 < esden> weee the nwn tar file for linux is here!!!
23:05 * -> esden happy
23:05 < stonedSantaClaus> hehe. 
23:05 < holyolli> esden: the network-server or the client?
23:05 < stonedSantaClaus> <- leaves now.
23:05 < stonedSantaClaus> gn8
23:05 < daja77> cu owl
23:05 < mnemoc> cu owl
23:05 < holyolli> n8 owl
23:06 < esden> n8 owl
23:06 < esden> holyolli: the runtime files ... I have downloaded the client long time ago ... it is not so big
23:06 < netcrow> what`s nwn?
23:07 < holyolli> cool
23:07 < esden> netcrow: Neverwinter Nights
23:08 < netcrow> ah ;)
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23:21 * -> esden has to reboot due to a new kernel
23:21 < esden> cu all
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23:39 < rxr> esden: how are you doing?
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