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--- Log opened Sat Dec 20 00:00:41 2003 00:08 < rxr> hm - I should compile less stuff in parallel on the iBook: 00:08 < rxr> load average: 4.02, 3.86, 3.54 00:08 < daja77> nice the driver fpor my wlan card write this to messages 00:08 < daja77> ... It looks you were coaxed into bying a wireless network card that uses the misterious ACX100 chip from Texas Instruments. You should be better have boiught a e.g. a PRISM based card, since that would mean REAL Linux vendor support 00:09 < holyolli> *lol* 00:09 < daja77> everytime when loaded 00:09 < daja77> sucks 00:10 < daja77> guess this card uses the latest rev of that chip which is not supported at all 00:18 * daja77 goes toi bed 00:18 < daja77> -i 00:18 < daja77> cu 00:18 < holyolli> n8 daja77...schlaf gut ;-) 00:18 < daja77> thx cu 00:44 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit ("leaving") 00:52 < mnemoc> re 00:54 < holyolli> wb mnemoc 01:02 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-063-078.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:04 < rxr> rehi mnemoc 01:06 < mnemoc> hi holyolli, rxr 01:08 < mnemoc> rxr: the iproute2 patch i send you is using the snapshot downloaded from http because the cvs is down for 'security reasons', the cvs location is commented in the .desc file and represents exactly the same files 01:39 < rxr> oki 01:44 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-27-224.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("Leaving") 02:04 < rxr> mnemoc: I think my current glibc HEAD nearly finished on PowerPC (in make install now - I think) 02:05 < mnemoc> omg... how did you get it tahta fast? 02:05 < rxr> fast? 02:06 < rxr> == 23:25:19 =[9]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.3-2003-12-18 2.0.0-rc4]. 02:06 < rxr> now it is Sat Dec 20 01:37:35 CET 2003 02:06 < mnemoc> aaa... you mean ONLY that package 02:06 < rxr> oh - damn iBook clock out of sync again ... 02:07 < rxr> but Qt is compiling in parallel - and I watched "The fellowship of the ring" during consuming some food 02:08 < rxr> ah - and subversion-static finished in parallel, too 02:11 < rxr> Qt entering the critical phase 02:11 * rxr hoping the glibc-2.3.3-????-??-?? fixes the dynamic linker 02:12 < rxr> I do not want to debug it ... 02:15 < mnemoc> nobody wants :) 02:20 < rxr> ... 02:20 < rxr> damn: 02:20 < rxr> cd designer && make -f Makefile 02:20 < rxr> make[4]: Entering directory `/home/rene/develop/rock/rock-linux/src.qt.1071872686.5884.3025623619/qt-x11-free-3.2.3/tools/designer/designer' 02:20 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/rock/rock-linux/src.qt.1071872686.5884.3025623619/qt-x11-free-3.2.3/bin/uic -L /home/rene/develop/rock/rock-linux/src.qt.1071872686.5884.3025623619/qt-x11-free-3.2.3/plugins listboxeditor.ui -o listboxeditor.h 02:21 < rxr> make[4]: *** [listboxeditor.h] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 02:21 < rxr> my favourite seg-fault ... 02:21 < rxr> glibc-2.3.3 is not the cure 02:21 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivelfl.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 02:25 < rxr> cu all - n8 02:29 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 02:30 < A-Tui> re 02:31 < mnemoc> re A-Tui 02:31 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc 02:32 < mnemoc> hola, has visto algun video de la presentacion de QRIO? 02:32 < A-Tui> no, creo q no 02:32 < mnemoc> :( 02:33 < mnemoc> quiero verlo bailando ;) 02:34 < A-Tui> :) 02:34 < mnemoc> https://www.aibo-life.org/visorg/luana/luana_01/slides/SDR_pag_01_eng.shtml 03:15 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C711.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:35 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 03:51 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C711.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 05:49 < mnemoc> gn8 #rl 05:58 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:01 -!- jani [~jani@ppp115-177.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:12 -!- jani [~jani@ppp115-177.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has quit ("Leaving") 06:16 -!- jani [~jani@ppp115-177.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:03 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:11 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-035.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:11 -!- nookie [~nookie@M399P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:27 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 08:28 < MadTux> moin all. 08:49 < nookie> MadTux: Hi :) 09:31 < blindcoder> moin moin 09:31 < MadTux> hi blindy 09:32 < blindcoder> moin MadTux 09:35 < blindcoder> hmm... no rc4 yet... 09:35 < MadTux> blindy btw you have mail. 09:36 < blindcoder> MadTux: no X here right now >_< 09:36 < MadTux> blindpire.. ok :) 09:37 < MadTux> ok brb 09:37 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has quit ("Client Exiting") 09:37 < jani> hmm... nerd.clifford.at seems to be down, so no www.rocklinux.net homepage for me :( 09:40 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivelfl.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection reset by peer) 09:54 * blindcoder preparing 20C3ISO configs 09:54 -!- nookie [~nookie@M399P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 10:01 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-021.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 10:01 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:04 < rxr> re 10:07 < blindcoder> moin rxr 10:08 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll use rev. 2031 for 20C3ISO for now. I hope we can seamlessly upgrade with -newdelete on 20C3 10:08 < rxr> yes - not that much stuff should change for -final anymore 10:08 < blindcoder> good ^^ 10:10 < rxr> cu 10:10 < blindcoder> baba 10:13 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 10:13 < MadTux> re 10:14 < blindcoder> re 10:15 < MadTux> :) 10:15 < blindcoder> rock has become so fucking huge 10:16 < MadTux> and you realize that untill now?!?! 10:19 < blindcoder> I rarely check out complete trees 10:20 < MadTux> ouch 10:20 < MadTux> so then yes you found a big suprise 10:20 < blindcoder> I'm currently creating the configs for 20C3ISO 10:21 < MadTux> excellent 10:25 < blindcoder> MadTux: how's the status on a seat to .de? 10:26 < MadTux> not good. :( 10:26 < MadTux> Actually i decided to pospone the trip 2 days ago.. I'm sick of this. 10:27 < MadTux> Holyolli tried to help but somethign is really messed up on the management over here 10:28 < blindcoder> damn >_< 10:28 < MadTux> he actually suggested i should just wait for "low seasson" as there would be plenty of seats and the whole trip would be cheaper 10:28 < MadTux> I feel sad though.. this is 3 third time I don't manage to go :( 10:29 < blindcoder> :( 10:30 < MadTux> blindy, still if there is anything i can do to help from here just say it 10:31 < MadTux> ie the promissed builds and so 10:32 < blindcoder> MadTux: how would the builds get here? 10:33 < blindcoder> I doubt that uploading them would finish in a reasonable time 10:33 < MadTux> depends on ur conection 10:34 < MadTux> I could make at least minimal 10:34 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9005711.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:34 < blindcoder> 95kb/s incoming 10:34 < blindcoder> MadTux: what's your upstream? 10:35 < MadTux> t1... 10:35 < blindcoder> okay, then that shouldn't be a problem :) 10:35 < MadTux> :) 10:35 < MadTux> when do you need them? 10:36 < blindcoder> Dec 25 10:36 < MadTux> you promissed to send me an email with the specs we would use to create the isos, ie revission and so 10:36 < blindcoder> I'm preparing that while we're talking 10:36 < MadTux> ok finish it and drop me an email please 10:37 < blindcoder> sure 10:37 < blindcoder> netrunner and daja are also awaiting that mail 10:38 < MadTux> good. 10:38 < MadTux> so i won't ditract you :) 10:41 < blindcoder> okay, configs are done 10:43 * MadTux writing debian package rulez.. 10:44 < MadTux> rules* 10:47 < blindcoder> MadTux: how much computing power on Athlon do you have? 10:48 < blindcoder> ie: can you do a generic, desktop and minimal until Dec 25? 10:48 < blindcoder> (no stage 9) 10:49 < MadTux> no stage 9 mmm... 10:49 < MadTux> i think its possible 10:49 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005727.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:50 < blindcoder> good ^^ 10:51 < MadTux> I'll get started this afternoon if you send me ur stuff soon 10:51 < MadTux> i'm nearly off to bed.. sunlight will come soon 10:52 < blindcoder> I'm almost done with the mail 10:52 < blindcoder> in fact, I just sent it ^^ 10:53 < blindcoder> ok, i'm off, need to get ready for the day 10:53 < blindcoder> MadTux: see you this evening perhaps! 10:53 < MadTux> wait 10:53 < MadTux> where did you send the mail? 10:53 < MadTux> and we will speek in the evening CST time 10:53 < blindcoder> rlml 10:54 < MadTux> ah oks. see you then blindy 10:54 < blindcoder> I want the rest to know that we're progressing ;) 10:57 < MadTux> good . 10:57 < MadTux> so oyasumi :) 11:03 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-063-159.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:47 * MadTux makes the dance of the joy and screams of happiness 11:47 < MadTux> I finally got the damn debian rules to work :) 11:49 < MadTux> YEAAAHHHH!! :) 12:42 -!- nookie [~nookie@M399P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:48 < blindcoder> I'm getting hungry 12:49 < blindcoder> guess I'll eat some selfmade pizza 12:52 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958F5B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:52 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F61D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 12:52 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 13:02 < daja77> moin 13:06 < MadTux> finally awake :) 13:06 < daja77> yep 13:06 < MadTux> welcome daja77 13:06 < daja77> moin MadTux 13:09 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-021.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 13:10 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 13:12 < mnemoc> re 13:12 < MadTux> buenos dias don Ale :) 13:13 < mnemoc> buenos dias don Miguel 13:13 < MadTux> mnemoc: query 13:25 < daja77> blindcoder: ping 13:25 < mnemoc> hi daja77 13:26 < daja77> hey mnemoc 13:35 < SMP> 762 builds total, 521 completed fine, 15 with errors. 13:41 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:42 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 13:43 * mnemoc tratando de compilar gcc3 con diet-0.24 13:44 < daja77> trying to compile gcc3 with dietlibc-0.24? 13:45 < mnemoc> oops 13:45 < mnemoc> yep 13:45 < mnemoc> easy translation ;) 13:45 < mnemoc> forgot to change the switch 13:51 < maze_fan> daja77: pong 13:53 < maze_fan> daja77: you're disturbing my soldering skills so it'd better be important :) 13:59 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 14:13 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 14:13 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has quit ("Client Exiting") 14:13 < maze_fan> brb 14:29 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB073.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-35.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 < holyolli> moin 14:32 < tcr> moin holyolli 14:34 < holyolli> moin tcr 14:39 * maze_fan back 14:44 < tcr> SMP: ping 14:45 < SMP> jep 14:45 < tcr> SMP: do you happen to have your rootfs on lvm too? 14:46 < SMP> no 14:47 < tcr> Hrm. Well, my problem is that I don't get an initrd running with the new tools. Or rather the initrd works and it seems to does what it should (no error message and return code is 0), but right after the initrd the kernel panics because he can't find a root device on vg01/root 14:48 < tcr> The thing is that the kernel as it is does work with my old initrd which still uses the old tools 14:48 < SMP> does the initrd run '/sbin/vgchange --ignorelockingfailure -ay' ? 14:49 < tcr> Yep and that prints a message like "found 7 devices which has been activated" (strongly paraphrased) 14:49 < tcr> on boot 14:49 < SMP> u-hum 14:50 < tcr> Hmm, I'll turn on verbosity 14:59 < tcr> I swear I should never have put my rootfs on lvm, that's just one big nightmare 15:01 < SMP> I told ya' ;p 15:01 < SMP> there is something wrong if your new kernel works with the old tools 15:02 < mnemoc> modutils? 15:02 < SMP> no, LVM 15:04 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@pD9E05C77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:06 < tcr> SMP: I'm not talking about 2.6 but 2.4 with device-mapper patch 15:07 < SMP> yes, I thought so 15:08 < SMP> so your kernel has support for old LVM and DM an the same time= 15:08 < tcr> It seems so.. I just used the prior config and enabled Device mapper in the config menu 15:11 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p5080245D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:14 < daja77> re 15:14 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080281C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:17 < tcr> I'm trying with 2.6 now 15:17 < tcr> Wonder, oh Wonder, it works 15:18 < tcr> Heh, even though xdm ain't working 15:18 * daja77 trying 2.6 too 15:26 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit ("leaving") 15:31 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 15:36 < maze_fan> daja77: you wanted something from me? 15:36 < SMP> hahahaha, stupid configure scripts 15:36 < SMP> checking for __db185_open in -ldb-3... no 15:36 < SMP> configure: error: Your db library is missing db 1.85 compatibility mode 15:37 < SMP> the truth is, there is no libdb-3 AT ALL 15:40 < maze_fan> tcr: xdm doesn't work with 2.4 here neither 15:44 < tcr> maze_fan: well, it doesn't work with 2.6 here because it seems I forgot to compile in mouse support 15:44 < rxr> re 15:44 < daja77> re 15:45 < daja77> maze_fan: yep found the answer in backlog, I was wondering if madtux is doin the builds 15:46 < maze_fan> daja77: I see 15:46 < daja77> are there tags or are we using trunk? 15:47 < tcr> How's the new pseudo fs called in 2.6 again? I thought sysfs but that doesn't seem to work 15:47 < daja77> sysfs 15:47 < tcr> Aye, mixed up src and target mount points :) 15:49 < tcr> Ok, matrox framebuffer seems to have _huge_ problems in 2.6 15:50 < tcr> Gets totally messed up after X has once initialized 15:50 < praenti> hi 15:50 < SMP> fbdev on x86 sucks big time anyway 15:51 < daja77> hi praenti 15:51 < SMP> I see no reason to use it at all. text mode is dead slow and X not accelerated 15:51 < praenti> everyone trying 2.6.0 as i can see 15:52 < SMP> but of course you get a boot logo and text console with a frame ;) 15:52 < praenti> perhaps i should also compile a 2.6.0, becaus eim running test9 and test11 at the moment ;-) 15:52 < rxr> SMP: do not mix the vesafb with *fb ... 15:52 * daja77 trying if his wlan card works with 2.6 15:53 < tcr> WTF?! 15:53 < tcr> xterm doesnt start anymore 15:53 < rxr> SMP: many framebuffers have accelerated scrolling and text drawing 15:53 < praenti> tcr: add one line in the fstab: 15:53 < praenti> devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 15:53 * SMP still running -test4 because kernels after that mess up IRQ routing and eth0 stops working 15:54 < praenti> tcr: otherwise xterm, aterm and konsole won't work 15:54 < tcr> Fuck, fb is so totally fucked up.. I'm right gonna bann it out of my nifty kernel 15:56 < tcr> SMP: btw. do you run vgmknodes at init? 15:56 < SMP> no, not necessary with devfs 15:57 < tcr> Oh, that's good 15:57 < tcr> SMP: and yes the init scripts do suck :) 15:58 * tcr watching DS9 right now 15:58 < SMP> rxr: btw. what is preferred command to switch my repo from schillernet to svn.rocklinux-consulting.de ? 15:59 < daja77> svn switch 15:59 < SMP> speaking of init scripts. why do we lack rc0.d and rc6.d ? 16:00 < tcr> thanks, praenti... removing the comment before that pts line makes xterms works :) (I commented it out because it barfed some ugly error message when booting with a 2.4 kernel) 16:03 < tcr> lol sisco meets cpt kirk 16:04 < rxr> SMP: svn switch --relocate is much faster for your in-server switch 16:05 < rxr> SMP: I do not know why we do not have rc.0 and rc.6 - I need to think about it ... 16:05 < rxr> cu back in some minutes ... 16:13 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M297P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:13 < tcr> SMP: ? 16:14 < SMP> tcr? 16:16 < tcr> SMP: when you run `lilo' do you also get an unlogical message that says "The kernel was compiled without DEVFS, but the '/dev' directory structure implements the DEVFS filesystem" ? 16:16 < tcr> lilo still works thought, just wonder 16:16 < tcr> though 16:17 < SMP> never seem this - but I don't use recent versions of lilo 16:18 < tcr> Well I guess that has something to do with the sort of obsoletizing of devfs 16:19 < SMP> I think it was something to do with lilo being mistaken about the presence of devfs in your kernel 16:19 < rxr> SMP: I need a STONE inspiration 16:20 < rxr> SMP: what do you think: should STONE ask for a domainame for the box - and if yes - where should if be used? 16:20 < tcr> SMP: yeah but that may be a result of the work against devfs during 2.5 16:21 < SMP> tcr: I guess lilo just can't handle a 2.6 image to see if it has devfs support 16:21 < SMP> rxr: hm 16:22 < tcr> SMP: You damn fuckin' guy! :) We're cross-talking like hell. Heh, nevermind.. me continues watching ds9 16:24 < SMP> tcr: ok, it may also be be a result of increased tetra radiation ;> 16:26 < SMP> rxr: I think stone should ask for an FQDN for each IP Address the user configures on each interface and add this information to /etc/hosts 16:26 -!- nookie [~nookie@M399P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:28 < rxr> SMP: hm 16:29 < rxr> STONE should do it immediately - not on first ifup time ? 16:30 < SMP> no, don't mess with the configuration when the user does not expect it! 16:30 < rxr> should s.th. be added to /etc/resolv.conf's search line ? 16:33 < SMP> rocknet writes resolv.conf anyway, doesn't it? 16:33 < rxr> no 16:34 < rxr> currently rocknet only touches /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts 16:34 < rxr> when requested with "search" or "nameserver" 16:34 < rxr> or "hostname" 16:35 < rxr> currently they are not touched by a normal operation 16:36 < SMP> well then it's kind of pointless to have a STONE module that generates resolv.conf _and_ rocknet that can do the same 16:36 < SMP> btw. I think this functionality has no place in rocknet anyway 16:37 < SMP> especially since hostname, search, nameserver can only occur in global context, not bound to a profile 16:38 < rxr> SMP: nope - namserver is a perfect candidate for a per profile configuration 16:38 < rxr> different nameserver at home, work uni ... 16:38 < rxr> search can also be handy to optimize DNS querries 16:38 < rxr> I do not need hostname - but jsaw requested it ... 16:38 < rxr> it is just a add-on feature - and documented for expert use only in the handbook ... 16:40 < SMP> of course is all this a good candidate for per-profile config 16:41 < rxr> have you some final conclusion for the domainname settting? 16:41 < rxr> and where /etc/hosts should be modifiedß 16:42 < SMP> (optionally) modify etc/hosts from the stone module only. add entries for all ip/fqdn that the user configures there 16:44 < rxr> and also remove them if the interface is removed ? 16:45 < SMP> if the last reference to it is removed 16:46 < rxr> what is you exact meaning of (optionally)? 16:47 < SMP> ask the user if he would like it to happen 16:50 < tcr> brb 16:50 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB073.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.") 16:51 < SMP> bbl 16:56 < daja77> what happened to rocklinux.org? 16:56 < praenti> daja77: also www.rocklinux.net 16:57 < rxr> down ? 16:57 < rxr> shoudl I phone Cliff? 16:58 < daja77> would be better 16:58 < daja77> yes it is down 16:58 < daja77> can't mail and stuff 16:59 < rxr> hm - his handy does not seem to get a signal 16:59 < rxr> and no mailbox ... 16:59 < mnemoc> i thought it was h4x0r3d :) 17:02 < rxr> mnemoc: you "thought" - why did you thought this - and what did change your mind ? 17:02 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB073.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:02 < mnemoc> <daja77> what happened to rocklinux.org? <-- i was waiting a naked grandmo' on the frontpage ;) 17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: ah 17:03 < rxr> SMS sent 17:03 < rxr> cu in some minutes 17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. the newer dated glibc does not fix the regex bug ... 17:04 < mnemoc> but but but.... aaarg :( 17:04 < tcr> regex bug, which? 17:04 < mnemoc> grep -E segfaults with 2003-12-18 17:04 < mnemoc> (glibc-2.3.3) 17:04 < tcr> mnemoc, ? 17:05 < tcr> ah 17:05 < tcr> https://sources.redhat.com/ml/bug-glibc/2003-08/msg00178.html 17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: but not all patterns 17:06 < tcr> Never got a reply from any glibc people 17:06 < rxr> yes - my backtrace looks similar ... 17:06 < rxr> this was with a CVS glibc ? 17:06 < mnemoc> ehm... against 2.3.2?? 17:07 < rxr> hm - I had no 2.3.2 problems 17:07 < rxr> the failing pattern is one used in the ROCK build scripts and it just started with CVS glibc ... 17:07 < tcr> rxr: no, look again at my mail I gave specifications about my system 17:08 < rxr> yes - read it. 17:08 < rxr> ah ye 17:08 < rxr> +s 17:08 < rxr> your pattern segfauls here with 2.3.2 on x86 as well as 2.3.3-CVS on PowerPC ... 17:09 < rxr> a new core-dump pattern (for 2.3.3-CVS) is: 17:09 < rxr> egrep -q '^[^#]*\bflistdel' 17:09 < rxr> works with 2.3.2 ... 17:09 < tcr> the regex infrastructure of glibc sucks anyway 17:10 < daja77> ok started athlon-xp-desktop and athlon-xp-generic builds 17:10 < rxr> because it is there at all - or because it is implemented imperfectly ? 17:10 < tcr> rxr: latter 17:11 < rxr> hm 17:11 < rxr> like much in the glibc ... 17:11 < tcr> rxr: tom lord wrote a replacement and asked for inclusion, it got rejected 17:11 < rxr> because of ? 17:12 < mnemoc> because it comes from tom lord :| 17:12 < tcr> Can't remember, I'll search for the eMail once I've got some time 17:13 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah maybe 17:13 < mnemoc> anyone have tested tl's libc? 17:14 < tcr> it's not a complete libc 17:14 < mnemoc> hack*lab or something like that 17:16 < rxr> URL ? 17:17 < tcr> rxr: it's distributed with arch 17:19 < rxr> oeh? 17:19 < mnemoc> https://regexps.srparish.net/src/hackerlab/ 17:20 < mnemoc> The hackerlab C library A general purpose C library with many advantages of the standard C library. Include the Rx regexp functions: fast, accurate, unicode-capable regexps. (Distributed with Arch.) 17:23 < rxr> me away shortly ... 17:35 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@pD9E05C77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:02 < tcr> [off topic:] Is anyone interested in a project which is about concentrating more on the individuals (ie. opinions, thoughts, ideas) of our floss world rather than primarely on the software? Although there's a more concrete plan in my mind, there's no real official plan yet, we want to create such one in a discussion on a mailinglist. What I can tell you is that it's probably gonna be a sort of portal between users' sites (whereby there's no real c 18:02 < tcr> ommunity, but everybody is actually doing his own thing, there're just some "facilities" (which's definition has to be discussed too) that are used for some kind of catalogizing purpose). 18:04 < SMP> tcr: freshmeat.net? avogato.org? 18:05 < tcr> SMP, freshmeat is about software, yes something like avogato, but going further 18:05 < SMP> well, fm is not solely about software, but ok ... 18:05 < tcr> avogato just gives to the possibilities for a resume site 18:06 < tcr> -to 18:06 < tcr> we want to give the possibility for a "private homepage" (that term sounds a bit silly) 18:07 < tcr> SMP: many people have a sort of private homepage where their host their software or at least link to them, where they publish articles etc 18:07 < tcr> SMP: now imagine an interface between those homepages 18:08 < tcr> Where links to projects, articles etc. are grouped, sorted etc. That's pretty much the core of what we plan 18:10 < tcr> It goes still a bit further though :) 18:13 < cchamilt> eval "prefix=\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}" appears to work in Build-Pkg on the host, but not in Build-Target. 18:13 < cchamilt> How do I make a working version of this eval? 18:17 < tcr> Why doesn't it work? 18:21 < tcr> tmp=ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX; prefix=${!tmp} 18:22 < cchamilt> yep, it works except in a build, and I dont know why 18:22 < cchamilt> I will try the double var thing I guess. probably less overhead anyway 18:23 < tcr> I wonder how that should work at all 18:25 < cchamilt> the eval gets passed the string with $pkg resolved, then does the assignment. In build it drops the ROCK_PKG_ part of the var name. 18:32 < mnemoc> don't escape the { 18:34 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has quit (Client Quit) 18:39 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 18:40 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@pD9E05C77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < cchamilt> i triec that and no change 18:51 < mnemoc> eval "ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix}"; eval "echo ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=\${ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX}" 18:52 < mnemoc> that must work 18:53 < mnemoc> where are you including it? 18:53 < cchamilt> in scripts/function 18:53 < mnemoc> are you sure $pkg is correctly defined in that place? 18:54 < cchamilt> yes 18:55 < mnemoc> pretty weird 18:55 < blindcoder> are you sure it isn't ROCKCFG_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX? 18:56 < mnemoc> that _PREFIX thing is not currently in rock, i guess you are implementing it 18:56 < cchamilt> yes, it was supposed to be done months ago, but i am lazy. 18:57 < cchamilt> i got stuck on this weird variable problem. now i am trying to get it and the mine changes done this week. 18:57 < mnemoc> isn't easier to do it in the other way? auto-adding _my_ prefix to parse-config so other packages built after me can read it? 18:58 < cchamilt> it is a global and for all packages, and only effects(fills) the environment when requested. 19:00 < tcr> revoming the backslashes from the { and } works here 19:00 < mnemoc> you can you what i said global and for all pacakges including the code on postinstall hook 19:00 < cchamilt> it runs a wrapper around set_confopt at the beginning to decide the packages prefix, then at postflist stores it in a file if not "usr". Then another function can be called inside .conf to extract a packages prefix. 19:00 < mnemoc> s/you/do/2 19:01 < cchamilt> pretty simple except this stupid thing happened and frustrated(still) me. 19:02 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:~$ tmp=test 19:02 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:~$ VAR_test=foobar 19:02 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:~$ eval "echo \${VAR_${tmp}}" 19:02 < tcr> foobar 19:02 < cchamilt> ROCK_PKG was the tentative name space as pkg_$pkg_prefix is not a clean namespace. 19:03 < mnemoc> ROCKPREFIX_${pkg} looks nicer 19:03 < cchamilt> The idea is that the set_confopt wrapper searches for a predeclared (ie. in a target's config.in or set in Config) ROCK_PKG_$pkg_prefix. 19:05 < cchamilt> I did the current based on heirarchial names, ROCK var, PKG var, $pkg specific, PREFIX is what the var is. 19:06 < mnemoc> if [ "$( eval "echo '\$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX' 19:06 < mnemoc> " )" ]; then 19:06 < mnemoc> aaarg 19:06 < cchamilt> But, I doubt we will need that specific of namespacing, we can change it after it functions. 19:07 < cchamilt> # Prefix functions 19:07 < cchamilt> # 19:07 < cchamilt> PREFIX_FILE=/var/adm/prefixes 19:07 < cchamilt> get_prefix() { 19:07 < cchamilt> . $PREFIX_FILE 19:07 < cchamilt> while [ "$1" ] 19:07 < cchamilt> do 19:07 < cchamilt> if eval "[ -z \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${1}_PREFIX\}\" ]" ; then 19:07 < cchamilt> eval ROCK_PKG_${1}_PREFIX="usr" 19:07 < cchamilt> fi 19:07 < cchamilt> shift 19:07 < cchamilt> done 19:07 < cchamilt> } 19:07 < cchamilt> save_prefix() { 19:07 < cchamilt> if [ "$prefix" != "usr" ] ; then 19:07 < cchamilt> tmpfl=`mktemp` 19:07 < cchamilt> sed "/ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX/d" $PREFIX_FILE > $tmpfl 19:07 < cchamilt> mv -f $tmpfl $PREFIX_FILE 19:07 < cchamilt> echo "ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix}" >> $PREFIX_FILE 19:07 < cchamilt> fi 19:07 < cchamilt> } 19:07 < cchamilt> set_prefix() { 19:07 < cchamilt> if [ -n "$1" ] ; then 19:07 < cchamilt> prefix="$1" 19:07 < cchamilt> prefix_auto=0 19:07 < cchamilt> elif eval "[ -n \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}\" ]" ; then 19:07 < cchamilt> tmp=ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX; prefix=${!tmp} 19:07 < cchamilt> #eval "prefix=\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}" 19:07 < cchamilt> prefix_auto=0 19:08 < cchamilt> else 19:08 < cchamilt> if [ -z "$prefix" ] ; then 19:08 < cchamilt> prefix="usr" 19:08 < cchamilt> fi 19:08 < cchamilt> prefix_auto=1 19:08 < cchamilt> fi 19:08 < cchamilt> echo_status "Using the specified prefix $prefix for $pkg." 19:08 < cchamilt> eval "ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix}" 19:08 < cchamilt> set_confopt 19:08 < cchamilt> } 19:08 < cchamilt> That is it 19:08 < cchamilt> set_prefix is the killer 19:08 * tcr shoots cchamilt in his foot 19:09 < mnemoc> only in his foot? 19:09 < cchamilt> well it seemed like there was going to be a parallel engineering discussion, so I flooded. 19:10 < tcr> cchamilt, the next time please use https://codedbliss.com/codepaste/ 19:10 < cchamilt> but x copy and paste from pico is so easy. 19:11 < tcr> You ain't gonna make friends with pasting 30-40 lines in a channel :) 19:11 < cchamilt> it is a slow night. 19:13 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 19:13 < cchamilt> demasiado? 19:13 < SMP> "Upon submission, this code becomes part of the public domain and will be viewable by all from the codepaste index page." 19:13 < SMP> haha. ridiculous 19:14 < tcr> What's your point? 19:14 < cchamilt> oh no, my code belongs to sco 19:14 < holyolli> cchamilt: too much 19:15 < tcr> cchamilt, elif eval "[ -n \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}\" ]" ; then <-- try removing the backslashes 19:15 < tcr> (before { and }= 19:15 < cchamilt> but i put them in only after the fact to try and help, so i dont think it will help. 19:16 < cchamilt> and yes the code currently enters elif eval "[ -n \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}\" ] and it should not. 19:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB073.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:16 < cchamilt> oops must have filled his buffer 19:17 < mnemoc> elif [ "$( eval "echo '\$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX'" )" ]; then 19:17 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB073.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:18 < cchamilt> I would rather -n, wont '' prefixes not echo? 19:18 < mnemoc> ' inside "" is just a char 19:19 < mnemoc> but u can use \" if you prefer 19:19 < mnemoc> have you tried using 'set -x'? 19:20 < cchamilt> yes, but if ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX='' would that fail the test? 19:20 < mnemoc> you are right 19:20 < cchamilt> no i havent tried set -x 19:20 < mnemoc> w8 19:20 < mnemoc> i need water... 35ºC is too much for my brain 19:20 < cchamilt> no prob 19:23 < mnemoc> # pkg=foo 19:24 < mnemoc> # ROCK_PKG_foo_PREFIX=/opt/foo 19:24 < mnemoc> # eval "echo \$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX" 19:24 < mnemoc> # if [ "$( eval "echo \$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX" )" ]; then 19:24 < mnemoc> > echo yes 19:24 < mnemoc> > else 19:24 < mnemoc> > echo no 19:24 < mnemoc> > fi 19:24 < mnemoc> yes 19:25 < stonedSantaClaus> moin 19:25 < mnemoc> that 'yes' remaind me prolog :( 19:26 < mnemoc> hi owl 19:26 < holyolli> huhu owl 19:26 < stonedSantaClaus> hi holyolli , mnemoc 19:27 < cchamilt> ok, still doesnt work with the prefix being '' though, I think I have something working from tcr's variation. 19:28 < mnemoc> why don't you grep the file??? 19:28 < mnemoc> instead of flooding the env. 19:29 < cchamilt> I may later, this is what I have now 19:29 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-35.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:30 < cchamilt> eval ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix} 19:30 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivemed.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:30 < mnemoc> if you source the file you can't distinguish between undefined and defined as empty 19:30 -!- aktnot_ [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:30 < cchamilt> your right 19:31 < mnemoc> if grep ....; then 19:31 < cchamilt> yep, i will change it 19:31 < mnemoc> eval `sed....` 19:31 < mnemoc> else 19:31 < mnemoc> .... 19:31 < mnemoc> fi 19:32 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-35.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:32 < mnemoc> of course you can 'predefine' the 1015 prefixes as 'undefined' o_O 19:32 < holyolli> re 19:32 < mnemoc> hi holyolli 19:33 < mnemoc> # for x in package/*/*; do eval "ROCK_PKG_${x##*/}_PREFIX=undefined"; done :-) 19:34 < holyolli> hi mnemoc 19:34 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:35 < cchamilt> ugh 19:39 < mnemoc> cchamilt: what about a var/adm/prefixes/$pkg ? 19:41 < cchamilt> you mean a directory with one line per file? 19:41 < mnemoc> cat var/adm/prefixes/foo 19:41 < mnemoc> opt/foo 19:42 < mnemoc> easy test and easy read in bash 19:42 < cchamilt> yes 19:42 < mnemoc> and quite cheap :-) 19:43 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ("https://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/quitmsg.pl") 19:43 < cchamilt> hmm 19:45 < cchamilt> i am not sure which i prefer. 19:45 < cchamilt> if ! eval `grep "${tmp}=" $PREFIX_FILE` ; then 19:45 < cchamilt> eval ROCK_PKG_${1}_PREFIX="usr" 19:46 < cchamilt> fi 19:47 < mnemoc> if ! grep -q -E "^$tmp=" $PREFIX_FILE; then 19:48 < mnemoc> brb 19:49 < cchamilt> hmm ^ noted, but mine gets it into environment for free. 19:56 * mnemoc didn't understand that thing about the enviroment for free 19:57 < cchamilt> the backticks execute the grep return line. so the assignment of ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX occurs if it is found. 19:59 < cchamilt> oops, the eval does afterwards 20:00 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:06 -!- holyolli_ [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-35.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:06 < mnemoc> now i got what you said o_O 20:06 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-35.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:06 < holyolli_> re... 20:06 < mnemoc> re-re holyolli_ 20:07 < cchamilt> re holyolli 20:07 < cchamilt> ok, i got it i think working now.... 20:08 < cchamilt> I will implement it as one file for now, though when i send the patch i will bring up the variable names and the directory version. 20:08 < cchamilt> I am running a bootdisk target test now to see it build the file. 20:11 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.52.206.42] has joined #rocklinux 20:11 < cchamilt> ok, going to do other stuff. Thanks for the help. 20:12 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB073.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("brb") 20:12 < mnemoc> bye cchamilt 20:13 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB073.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:13 < tcr> cchamilt, the directory method is basically the best one 20:13 < tcr> (didn't read everything) 20:13 < cchamilt> it may be for effort and time 20:14 < cchamilt> bye all 20:14 < tcr> cya 20:17 < SMP> 763 builds total, 562 completed fine, 16 with errors. 20:17 < SMP> *sigh* 20:18 < nookie_> mm 20:19 < SMP> those were the days, when could do a complete build in less than two days 20:20 < SMP> we should do a poll - 'what is the maximum possible build time you would like to see?' 20:21 < SMP> ( ) ten minutes ( ) two hours ( ) a day ( ) I am immortal 20:24 < blindcoder> ( ) ten minutes ( ) two hours ( ) a day (X) I am immortal 20:26 * mnemoc takes 4 hours for building linux26 :| 20:27 < mnemoc> why do we build the kernel on stage 1? 20:34 < mnemoc> for cross builds? 21:00 -!- mnemoc is now known as __mnemoc 21:00 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.52.206.42] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.36 [Mozilla rv:1.5/0]") 21:05 -!- zenlunatic_ [~zen@user-2ivekr7.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:11 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivemed.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 21:13 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@pD9E05C77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:37 -!- zenlunatic__ [~zen@user-uiver3u.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:41 < __mnemoc> ehm... iproute2-ahu includes an arpd 21:41 < __mnemoc> which requires libdb :\ 21:53 -!- zenlunatic_ [~zen@user-2ivekr7.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 21:57 < rolla> re 22:00 < __mnemoc> hi rolla 22:00 < rolla> how is it going? 22:01 < __mnemoc> i'm brainless, to much hot :( 22:01 < __mnemoc> and you? 22:02 < rolla> it is cold here and I am cleaning out my server room 22:08 -!- zenlunatic__ [~zen@user-uiver3u.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 22:10 < rolla> __mnemoc: do you use wlan? 22:11 < rolla> anyone? 22:12 * holyolli_ . 22:12 < rolla> hallo holyolli_ 22:12 < holyolli_> hi rolla 22:12 -!- holyolli_ is now known as holyolli 22:14 < rolla> what is new with you holyolli ? 22:14 < holyolli> rolla: not that much...a lot to do 22:15 < rolla> alot to do with what? 22:15 < holyolli> i have some exams in 2 weeks 22:15 < tcr> hi rolla & holyolli 22:15 < rolla> ah I see 22:15 < rolla> hallo tcr 22:15 < holyolli> hi tcr 22:16 < rolla> do either of you use wlan ? 22:16 * tcr has left all exams behind for this schoolyear :) 22:16 < rolla> :) 22:16 < tcr> rolla: well sort of, but not in a way that I could be any help to you 22:16 < holyolli> rolla: i'm using wavelan 22:16 < rolla> ah 22:17 < rolla> I am trying to find a pcmcia card that will work good with linux 22:18 < holyolli> hm. /me is using orinoco cards, but as i heard those prism based are also ok 22:18 < __mnemoc> rolla: yes, i do 22:19 < rolla> yeah but trying to find a card is very hard 22:19 < rolla> they change chipsets at the drop of the hat 22:20 < holyolli> hm. don't know...my cards a quiet old and the newer one is integrated into the laptop 22:22 < rolla> lucky you 22:23 < __mnemoc> i use a dlink650+ with acx100 driver and works quite good 22:23 < rolla> hmm 22:24 < __mnemoc> hmm what? 22:24 < __mnemoc> you tried it and think it sucks? ;-) 22:24 < __mnemoc> daja77 had to fight a lot with his card 22:25 < __mnemoc> don't know if got it or not 22:25 < rolla> no I was thinking that I might try that card out 22:25 < rolla> I have a SMC card right now and it is not supported under 2.6 22:26 < __mnemoc> https://acx100.sourceforge.net/matrix.html 22:26 < mistik1> smc, eh? 22:27 < mistik1> mine works under the latest 2.4.x all of a sudden 22:35 < rolla> :) 22:35 < rolla> mistik1: yeah mine use to work there too but then I moved up to 2.6 kernel and the atmel drivers don't work there yet 22:35 < mistik1> ok 22:36 < rolla> what card do you have? 22:38 < mistik1> 2632W 22:42 < holyolli> does anybody know a good program to record from tv with v4l? 22:57 < rolla> v.? 22:58 < holyolli> huh? 23:01 < __mnemoc> makeopt="$makeopt KERNEL_INCLUDE=$root/usr/include" <-- how the heck is iproute2 building if looks for the kernel there??? 23:04 < mistik1> is there a symlink from /usr/include/linux => /usr/src/linux/include 23:04 < __mnemoc> oh 23:05 < __mnemoc> sure... yes... but.... 23:05 < __mnemoc> why i'm getting this with the newer version? 23:05 < __mnemoc> Please compile the kernel first, or point KERNEL_INCLUDE to your kernel. 23:05 < __mnemoc> make: *** [check-kernel] Error 1 23:05 < __mnemoc> i'll have to check that dman link 23:07 < SMP> well first of all it is not supposed to be a link 23:09 < SMP> what does check-kernel do exactly? 23:11 < SMP> hehe, very unusual build error with aspell-es 23:13 < SMP> the build runs on a JFS that enforces valid UTF-8 and the tar contains a file with an accented letter in latin1 23:14 < SMP> tar skips the file, but later /bin/cp gets EINVAL and causes make to abort 23:17 < SMP> (to be precise, JFS enforces UTF-8 for the filenames, not their contents of course) 23:38 < rolla> SMP you use jfs? 23:41 -!- stonedSantaClaus [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 23:47 < SMP> yes, on my laptop. some day I will migrate away from it ... 23:48 < rolla> really 23:48 < rolla> what do you think of reiserfs? 23:48 < SMP> I hate it 23:48 < rolla> really why? 23:49 < tcr> reiserfs3 is said to be not that bad 23:50 < SMP> rolla: I found it to be rather unstable at times when it should not have been 23:50 < rolla> hmm okay 23:50 < SMP> reiserfs3, really? do they have a real fsck this time? 23:51 < SMP> this rebuild-tree thing is a giant joke ... 23:51 < tcr> actually I meant reiserfs4 :) 23:51 < SMP> whatever .. 23:54 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 23:57 < rolla> hallo blindcoder --- Log closed Sun Dec 21 00:00:10 2003