--- Log opened Sat Dec 20 00:00:41 2003
00:08 < rxr> hm - I should compile less stuff in parallel on the iBook:
00:08 < rxr> load average: 4.02, 3.86, 3.54
00:08 < daja77> nice the driver fpor my wlan card write this to messages
00:08 < daja77> ... It looks you were coaxed into bying a wireless network card that uses the misterious ACX100 chip from Texas Instruments. You should be better have boiught a e.g. a PRISM based card, since that would mean REAL Linux vendor support
00:09 < holyolli> *lol* 
00:09 < daja77> everytime when loaded
00:09 < daja77> sucks
00:10 < daja77> guess this card uses the latest rev of that chip which is not supported at all
00:18 * daja77 goes toi bed
00:18 < daja77> -i
00:18 < daja77> cu
00:18 < holyolli> n8 daja77...schlaf gut ;-)
00:18 < daja77> thx cu
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00:52 < mnemoc> re
00:54 < holyolli> wb mnemoc
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01:04 < rxr> rehi mnemoc 
01:06 < mnemoc> hi holyolli, rxr
01:08 < mnemoc> rxr: the iproute2 patch i send you is using the snapshot downloaded from http because the cvs is down for 'security reasons', the cvs location is commented in the .desc file and represents exactly the same files
01:39 < rxr> oki
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02:04 < rxr> mnemoc: I think my current glibc HEAD nearly finished on PowerPC (in make install now - I think)
02:05 < mnemoc> omg... how did you get it tahta fast?
02:05 < rxr> fast? 
02:06 < rxr> == 23:25:19 =[9]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.3-2003-12-18 2.0.0-rc4].
02:06 < rxr> now it is Sat Dec 20 01:37:35 CET 2003
02:06 < mnemoc> aaa... you mean ONLY that package
02:06 < rxr> oh - damn iBook clock out of sync again ...
02:07 < rxr> but Qt is compiling in parallel - and I watched "The fellowship of the ring" during consuming some food
02:08 < rxr> ah - and subversion-static finished in parallel, too
02:11 < rxr> Qt entering the critical phase
02:11 * rxr hoping the glibc-2.3.3-????-??-?? fixes the dynamic linker
02:12 < rxr> I do not want to debug it ...
02:15 < mnemoc> nobody wants :)
02:20 < rxr> ...
02:20 < rxr> damn:
02:20 < rxr> cd designer && make -f Makefile
02:20 < rxr> make[4]: Entering directory `/home/rene/develop/rock/rock-linux/src.qt.1071872686.5884.3025623619/qt-x11-free-3.2.3/tools/designer/designer'
02:20 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/rock/rock-linux/src.qt.1071872686.5884.3025623619/qt-x11-free-3.2.3/bin/uic -L /home/rene/develop/rock/rock-linux/src.qt.1071872686.5884.3025623619/qt-x11-free-3.2.3/plugins listboxeditor.ui -o listboxeditor.h
02:21 < rxr> make[4]: *** [listboxeditor.h] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
02:21 < rxr> my favourite seg-fault ...
02:21 < rxr> glibc-2.3.3 is not the cure
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02:25 < rxr> cu all - n8
02:29 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
02:30 < A-Tui> re
02:31 < mnemoc> re A-Tui 
02:31 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc
02:32 < mnemoc> hola, has visto algun video de la presentacion de QRIO?
02:32 < A-Tui> no, creo q no
02:32 < mnemoc> :(
02:33 < mnemoc> quiero verlo bailando ;)
02:34 < A-Tui> :)
02:34 < mnemoc> http://www.aibo-life.org/visorg/luana/luana_01/slides/SDR_pag_01_eng.shtml
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05:49 < mnemoc> gn8 #rl
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08:28 < MadTux> moin all.
08:49 < nookie> MadTux: Hi :)
09:31 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:31 < MadTux> hi blindy
09:32 < blindcoder> moin MadTux 
09:35 < blindcoder> hmm... no rc4 yet...
09:35 < MadTux> blindy btw you have mail.
09:36 < blindcoder> MadTux: no X here right now >_<
09:36 < MadTux> blindpire.. ok :)
09:37 < MadTux> ok brb
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09:37 < jani> hmm... nerd.clifford.at seems to be down, so no rocklinux.net homepage for me :(
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09:54 * blindcoder preparing 20C3ISO configs
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10:04 < rxr> re
10:07 < blindcoder> moin rxr
10:08 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll use rev. 2031 for 20C3ISO for now. I hope we can seamlessly upgrade with -newdelete on 20C3
10:08 < rxr> yes - not that much stuff should change for -final anymore
10:08 < blindcoder> good ^^
10:10 < rxr> cu
10:10 < blindcoder> baba
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10:13 < MadTux> re
10:14 < blindcoder> re
10:15 < MadTux> :)
10:15 < blindcoder> rock has become so fucking huge
10:16 < MadTux> and you realize that untill now?!?!
10:19 < blindcoder> I rarely check out complete trees
10:20 < MadTux> ouch
10:20 < MadTux> so then yes you found a big suprise
10:20 < blindcoder> I'm currently creating the configs for 20C3ISO
10:21 < MadTux> excellent
10:25 < blindcoder> MadTux: how's the status on a seat to .de?
10:26 < MadTux> not good. :(
10:26 < MadTux> Actually i decided to pospone the trip 2 days ago.. I'm sick of this.
10:27 < MadTux> Holyolli tried to help but somethign is really messed up on the management over here
10:28 < blindcoder> damn >_<
10:28 < MadTux> he actually suggested i should just wait for "low seasson" as there would be plenty of seats and the whole trip would be cheaper
10:28 < MadTux> I feel sad though.. this is 3 third time I don't manage to go :(
10:29 < blindcoder> :(
10:30 < MadTux> blindy, still if there is anything i can do to help from here just say it 
10:31 < MadTux> ie the promissed builds and so
10:32 < blindcoder> MadTux: how would the builds get here?
10:33 < blindcoder> I doubt that uploading them would finish in a reasonable time
10:33 < MadTux> depends on ur conection
10:34 < MadTux> I could make at least minimal
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10:34 < blindcoder> 95kb/s incoming
10:34 < blindcoder> MadTux: what's your upstream?
10:35 < MadTux> t1...
10:35 < blindcoder> okay, then that shouldn't be a problem :)
10:35 < MadTux> :)
10:35 < MadTux> when do you need them?
10:36 < blindcoder> Dec 25
10:36 < MadTux> you promissed to send me an email with the specs we would use to create the isos, ie revission and so
10:36 < blindcoder> I'm preparing that while we're talking
10:36 < MadTux> ok finish it and drop me an email please
10:37 < blindcoder> sure
10:37 < blindcoder> netrunner and daja are also awaiting that mail
10:38 < MadTux> good.
10:38 < MadTux> so i won't ditract you :)
10:41 < blindcoder> okay, configs are done
10:43 * MadTux writing debian package rulez..
10:44 < MadTux> rules*
10:47 < blindcoder> MadTux: how much computing power on Athlon do you have?
10:48 < blindcoder> ie: can you do a generic, desktop and minimal until Dec 25?
10:48 < blindcoder> (no stage 9)
10:49 < MadTux> no stage 9 mmm... 
10:49 < MadTux> i think its possible
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10:50 < blindcoder> good ^^
10:51 < MadTux> I'll get started this afternoon if you send me ur stuff soon
10:51 < MadTux> i'm nearly off to bed.. sunlight will come soon
10:52 < blindcoder> I'm almost done with the mail
10:52 < blindcoder> in fact, I just sent it ^^
10:53 < blindcoder> ok, i'm off, need to get ready for the day
10:53 < blindcoder> MadTux: see you this evening perhaps!
10:53 < MadTux> wait
10:53 < MadTux> where did you send the mail?
10:53 < MadTux> and we will speek in the evening CST time
10:53 < blindcoder> rlml
10:54 < MadTux> ah oks. see you then blindy
10:54 < blindcoder> I want the rest to know that we're progressing ;)
10:57 < MadTux> good .
10:57 < MadTux> so oyasumi :)
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11:47 * MadTux makes the dance of the joy and screams of happiness
11:47 < MadTux> I finally got the damn debian rules to work :)
11:49 < MadTux> YEAAAHHHH!! :)
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12:48 < blindcoder> I'm getting hungry
12:49 < blindcoder> guess I'll eat some selfmade pizza
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13:02 < daja77> moin
13:06 < MadTux> finally awake :)
13:06 < daja77> yep
13:06 < MadTux> welcome daja77
13:06 < daja77> moin MadTux 
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13:12 < mnemoc> re
13:12 < MadTux> buenos dias don Ale :)
13:13 < mnemoc> buenos dias don Miguel
13:13 < MadTux> mnemoc: query
13:25 < daja77> blindcoder: ping
13:25 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
13:26 < daja77> hey mnemoc 
13:35 < SMP> 762 builds total, 521 completed fine, 15 with errors.
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13:43 * mnemoc tratando de compilar gcc3 con diet-0.24
13:44 < daja77> trying to compile gcc3 with dietlibc-0.24?
13:45 < mnemoc> oops
13:45 < mnemoc> yep
13:45 < mnemoc> easy translation ;)
13:45 < mnemoc> forgot to change the switch
13:51 < maze_fan> daja77: pong
13:53 < maze_fan> daja77: you're disturbing my soldering skills so it'd better be important :)
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14:13 < maze_fan> brb
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14:31 < holyolli> moin
14:32 < tcr> moin holyolli
14:34 < holyolli> moin tcr
14:39 * maze_fan back
14:44 < tcr> SMP: ping
14:45 < SMP> jep
14:45 < tcr> SMP: do you happen to have your rootfs on lvm too?
14:46 < SMP> no
14:47 < tcr> Hrm. Well, my problem is that I don't get an initrd running with the new tools. Or rather the initrd works and it seems to does what it should (no error message and return code is 0), but right after the initrd the kernel panics because he can't find a root device on vg01/root
14:48 < tcr> The thing is that the kernel as it is does work with my old initrd which still uses the old tools
14:48 < SMP> does the initrd run '/sbin/vgchange --ignorelockingfailure -ay' ?
14:49 < tcr> Yep and that prints a message like "found 7 devices which has been activated" (strongly paraphrased)
14:49 < tcr> on boot
14:49 < SMP> u-hum
14:50 < tcr> Hmm, I'll turn on verbosity
14:59 < tcr> I swear I should never have put my rootfs on lvm, that's just one big nightmare
15:01 < SMP> I told ya' ;p
15:01 < SMP> there is something wrong if your new kernel works with the old tools
15:02 < mnemoc> modutils?
15:02 < SMP> no, LVM
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15:06 < tcr> SMP: I'm not talking about 2.6 but 2.4 with device-mapper patch
15:07 < SMP> yes, I thought so
15:08 < SMP> so your kernel has support for old LVM and DM an the same time=
15:08 < tcr> It seems so.. I just used the prior config and enabled Device mapper in the config menu
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15:14 < daja77> re
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15:17 < tcr> I'm trying with 2.6 now
15:17 < tcr> Wonder, oh Wonder, it works
15:18 < tcr> Heh, even though xdm ain't working
15:18 * daja77 trying 2.6 too
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15:36 < maze_fan> daja77: you wanted something from me?
15:36 < SMP> hahahaha, stupid configure scripts
15:36 < SMP> checking for __db185_open in -ldb-3... no
15:36 < SMP> configure: error: Your db library is missing db 1.85 compatibility mode
15:37 < SMP> the truth is, there is no libdb-3 AT ALL
15:40 < maze_fan> tcr: xdm doesn't work with 2.4 here neither
15:44 < tcr> maze_fan: well, it doesn't work with 2.6 here because it seems I forgot to compile in mouse support
15:44 < rxr> re
15:44 < daja77> re
15:45 < daja77> maze_fan: yep found the answer in backlog, I was wondering if madtux is doin the builds
15:46 < maze_fan> daja77: I see
15:46 < daja77> are there tags or are we using trunk?
15:47 < tcr> How's the new pseudo fs called in 2.6 again? I thought sysfs but that doesn't seem to work
15:47 < daja77> sysfs
15:47 < tcr> Aye, mixed up src and target mount points :)
15:49 < tcr> Ok, matrox framebuffer seems to have _huge_ problems in 2.6
15:50 < tcr> Gets totally messed up after X has once initialized
15:50 < praenti> hi
15:50 < SMP> fbdev on x86 sucks big time anyway
15:51 < daja77> hi praenti 
15:51 < SMP> I see no reason to use it at all. text mode is dead slow and X not accelerated
15:51 < praenti> everyone trying 2.6.0 as i can see
15:52 < SMP> but of course you get a boot logo and text console with a frame ;)
15:52 < praenti> perhaps i should also compile a 2.6.0, becaus eim running test9 and test11 at the moment ;-)
15:52 < rxr> SMP: do not mix the vesafb with *fb ...
15:52 * daja77 trying if his wlan card works with 2.6
15:53 < tcr> WTF?!
15:53 < tcr> xterm doesnt start anymore
15:53 < rxr> SMP: many framebuffers have accelerated scrolling and text drawing
15:53 < praenti> tcr: add one line in the fstab:
15:53 < praenti> devpts                  /dev/pts        devpts          defaults  0  0
15:53 * SMP still running -test4 because kernels after that mess up IRQ routing and eth0 stops working
15:54 < praenti> tcr: otherwise xterm, aterm and konsole won't work
15:54 < tcr> Fuck, fb is so totally fucked up.. I'm right gonna bann it out of my nifty kernel
15:56 < tcr> SMP: btw. do you run vgmknodes at init?
15:56 < SMP> no, not necessary with devfs
15:57 < tcr> Oh, that's good
15:57 < tcr> SMP: and yes the init scripts do suck :)
15:58 * tcr watching DS9 right now
15:58 < SMP> rxr: btw. what is preferred command to switch my repo from schillernet to svn.rocklinux-consulting.de ?
15:59 < daja77> svn switch
15:59 < SMP> speaking of init scripts. why do we lack rc0.d and rc6.d ?
16:00 < tcr> thanks, praenti... removing the comment before that pts line makes xterms works :) (I commented it out because it barfed some ugly error message when booting with a 2.4 kernel)
16:03 < tcr> lol sisco meets cpt kirk
16:04 < rxr> SMP: svn switch --relocate is much faster for your in-server switch
16:05 < rxr> SMP: I do not know why we do not have rc.0 and rc.6 - I need to think about it ...
16:05 < rxr> cu back in some minutes ...
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16:13 < tcr> SMP: ?
16:14 < SMP> tcr?
16:16 < tcr> SMP: when you run `lilo' do you also get an unlogical message that says "The kernel was compiled without DEVFS, but the '/dev' directory structure implements the DEVFS filesystem" ?
16:16 < tcr> lilo still works thought, just wonder
16:16 < tcr> though
16:17 < SMP> never seem this - but I don't use recent versions of lilo
16:18 < tcr> Well I guess that has something to do with the sort of obsoletizing of devfs
16:19 < SMP> I think it was something to do with lilo being mistaken about the presence of devfs in your kernel
16:19 < rxr> SMP: I need a STONE inspiration
16:20 < rxr> SMP: what do you think: should STONE ask for a domainame for the box - and if yes - where should if be used?
16:20 < tcr> SMP: yeah but that may be a result of the work against devfs during 2.5
16:21 < SMP> tcr: I guess lilo just can't handle a 2.6 image to see if it has devfs support
16:21 < SMP> rxr: hm
16:22 < tcr> SMP: You damn fuckin' guy! :) We're cross-talking like hell. Heh, nevermind.. me continues watching ds9
16:24 < SMP> tcr: ok, it may also be be a result of increased tetra radiation ;>
16:26 < SMP> rxr: I think stone should ask for an FQDN for each IP Address the user configures on each interface and add this information to /etc/hosts
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16:28 < rxr> SMP: hm
16:29 < rxr> STONE should do it immediately - not on first ifup time ?
16:30 < SMP> no, don't mess with the configuration when the user does not expect it!
16:30 < rxr> should s.th. be added to /etc/resolv.conf's search line ?
16:33 < SMP> rocknet writes resolv.conf anyway, doesn't it?
16:33 < rxr> no
16:34 < rxr> currently rocknet only touches /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts
16:34 < rxr> when requested with "search" or "nameserver"
16:34 < rxr> or "hostname"
16:35 < rxr> currently they are not touched by a normal operation
16:36 < SMP> well then it's kind of pointless to have a STONE module that generates resolv.conf _and_ rocknet that can do the same
16:36 < SMP> btw. I think this functionality has no place in rocknet anyway
16:37 < SMP> especially since hostname, search, nameserver can only occur in global context, not bound to a profile
16:38 < rxr> SMP: nope - namserver is a perfect candidate for a per profile configuration
16:38 < rxr> different nameserver at home, work uni ...
16:38 < rxr> search can also be handy to optimize DNS querries
16:38 < rxr> I do not need hostname - but jsaw requested it ...
16:38 < rxr> it is just a add-on feature - and documented for expert use only in the handbook ...
16:40 < SMP> of course is all this a good candidate for per-profile config
16:41 < rxr> have you some final conclusion for the domainname settting?
16:41 < rxr> and where /etc/hosts should be modifiedß
16:42 < SMP> (optionally) modify etc/hosts from the stone module only. add entries for all ip/fqdn that the user configures there
16:44 < rxr> and also remove them if the interface is removed ?
16:45 < SMP> if the last reference to it is removed
16:46 < rxr> what is you exact meaning of (optionally)? 
16:47 < SMP> ask the user if he would like it to happen
16:50 < tcr> brb
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16:51 < SMP> bbl
16:56 < daja77> what happened to rocklinux.org?
16:56 < praenti> daja77: also rocklinux.net
16:57 < rxr> down ?
16:57 < rxr> shoudl I phone Cliff?
16:58 < daja77> would be better
16:58 < daja77> yes it is down
16:58 < daja77> can't mail and stuff
16:59 < rxr> hm - his handy does not seem to get a signal
16:59 < rxr> and no mailbox ...
16:59 < mnemoc> i thought it was h4x0r3d :)
17:02 < rxr> mnemoc: you "thought" - why did you thought this - and what did change your mind ?
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17:02 < mnemoc> <daja77> what happened to rocklinux.org? <-- i was waiting a naked grandmo' on the frontpage ;)
17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: ah
17:03 < rxr> SMS sent
17:03 < rxr> cu in some minutes
17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. the newer dated glibc does not fix the regex bug ...
17:04 < mnemoc> but but but.... aaarg :(
17:04 < tcr> regex bug, which?
17:04 < mnemoc> grep -E segfaults with 2003-12-18
17:04 < mnemoc> (glibc-2.3.3)
17:04 < tcr> mnemoc, ?
17:05 < tcr> ah
17:05 < tcr> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/bug-glibc/2003-08/msg00178.html
17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: but not all patterns
17:06 < tcr> Never got a reply from any glibc people
17:06 < rxr> yes - my backtrace looks similar ...
17:06 < rxr> this was with a CVS glibc ?
17:06 < mnemoc> ehm... against 2.3.2??
17:07 < rxr> hm - I had no 2.3.2 problems
17:07 < rxr> the failing pattern is one used in the ROCK build scripts and it just started with CVS glibc ...
17:07 < tcr> rxr: no, look again at my mail I gave specifications about my system
17:08 < rxr> yes - read it.
17:08 < rxr> ah ye
17:08 < rxr> +s
17:08 < rxr> your pattern segfauls here with 2.3.2 on x86 as well as 2.3.3-CVS on PowerPC ...
17:09 < rxr> a new core-dump pattern (for 2.3.3-CVS) is:
17:09 < rxr> egrep -q '^[^#]*\bflistdel'
17:09 < rxr> works with 2.3.2 ...
17:09 < tcr> the regex infrastructure of glibc sucks anyway
17:10 < daja77> ok started athlon-xp-desktop and athlon-xp-generic builds
17:10 < rxr> because it is there at all - or because it is implemented imperfectly ?
17:10 < tcr> rxr: latter
17:11 < rxr> hm
17:11 < rxr> like much in the glibc ...
17:11 < tcr> rxr: tom lord wrote a replacement and asked for inclusion, it  got rejected
17:11 < rxr> because of ?
17:12 < mnemoc> because it comes from tom lord :|
17:12 < tcr> Can't remember, I'll search for the eMail once I've got some time
17:13 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah  maybe
17:13 < mnemoc> anyone have tested tl's libc?
17:14 < tcr> it's not a complete libc
17:14 < mnemoc> hack*lab or something like that
17:16 < rxr> URL ?
17:17 < tcr> rxr: it's distributed with arch
17:19 < rxr> oeh?
17:19 < mnemoc> http://regexps.srparish.net/src/hackerlab/
17:20 < mnemoc> The hackerlab C library A general purpose C library with many advantages of the standard C library. Include the Rx regexp functions: fast, accurate, unicode-capable regexps. (Distributed with Arch.) 
17:23 < rxr> me away shortly ...
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18:02 < tcr> [off topic:] Is anyone interested in a project which is about concentrating more on the individuals (ie. opinions, thoughts, ideas) of our floss world rather than primarely on the software? Although there's a more concrete plan in my mind, there's no real official plan yet, we want to create such one in a discussion on a mailinglist. What I can tell you is that it's probably gonna be a sort of portal between users' sites (whereby there's no real c
18:02 < tcr> ommunity, but everybody is actually doing his own thing, there're just some "facilities" (which's definition has to be discussed too) that are used for some kind of catalogizing purpose). 
18:04 < SMP> tcr: freshmeat.net? avogato.org?
18:05 < tcr> SMP, freshmeat is about software, yes something like avogato, but going further
18:05 < SMP> well, fm is not solely about software, but ok ...
18:05 < tcr> avogato just gives to the possibilities for a resume site
18:06 < tcr> -to
18:06 < tcr> we want to give the possibility for a "private homepage" (that term sounds a bit silly)
18:07 < tcr> SMP: many people have a sort of private homepage where their host their software or at least link to them, where they publish articles etc
18:07 < tcr> SMP: now imagine an interface between those homepages
18:08 < tcr> Where links to projects, articles etc. are grouped, sorted etc. That's pretty much the core of what we plan
18:10 < tcr> It goes still a bit further though :)
18:13 < cchamilt> eval "prefix=\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}" appears to work in Build-Pkg on the host, but not in Build-Target.
18:13 < cchamilt> How do I make a working version of this eval?
18:17 < tcr> Why doesn't it work?
18:21 < tcr> tmp=ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX; prefix=${!tmp}
18:22 < cchamilt> yep, it works except in a build, and I dont know why
18:22 < cchamilt> I will try the double var thing I guess. probably less overhead anyway
18:23 < tcr> I wonder how that should work at all
18:25 < cchamilt> the eval gets passed the string with $pkg resolved, then does the assignment.  In build it drops the ROCK_PKG_ part of the var name.
18:32 < mnemoc> don't escape the {
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18:43 < cchamilt> i triec that and no change
18:51 < mnemoc> eval "ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix}"; eval "echo ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=\${ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX}"
18:52 < mnemoc> that must work
18:53 < mnemoc> where are you including it?
18:53 < cchamilt> in scripts/function
18:53 < mnemoc> are you sure $pkg is correctly defined in that place?
18:54 < cchamilt> yes
18:55 < mnemoc> pretty weird
18:55 < blindcoder> are you sure it isn't ROCKCFG_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX?
18:56 < mnemoc> that _PREFIX thing is not currently in rock, i guess you are implementing it
18:56 < cchamilt> yes, it was supposed to be done months ago, but i am lazy.
18:57 < cchamilt> i got stuck on this weird variable problem. now i am trying to get it and the mine changes done this week.
18:57 < mnemoc> isn't easier to do it in the other way? auto-adding _my_ prefix to parse-config so other packages built after me can read it?
18:58 < cchamilt> it is a global and for all packages, and only effects(fills) the environment when requested.
19:00 < tcr> revoming the backslashes from the { and } works here
19:00 < mnemoc> you can you what i said global and for all pacakges including the code on postinstall hook
19:00 < cchamilt> it runs a wrapper around set_confopt at the beginning to decide the packages prefix, then at postflist stores it in a file if not "usr".  Then another function can be called inside .conf to extract a packages prefix.
19:00 < mnemoc> s/you/do/2
19:01 < cchamilt> pretty simple except this stupid thing happened and frustrated(still) me.
19:02 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:~$ tmp=test
19:02 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:~$ VAR_test=foobar
19:02 < tcr> tcr@GNUlot:~$ eval "echo \${VAR_${tmp}}"
19:02 < tcr> foobar
19:02 < cchamilt> ROCK_PKG was the tentative name space as pkg_$pkg_prefix is not a clean namespace.
19:03 < mnemoc> ROCKPREFIX_${pkg} looks nicer
19:03 < cchamilt> The idea is that the set_confopt wrapper searches for a predeclared (ie. in a target's config.in or set in Config) ROCK_PKG_$pkg_prefix.
19:05 < cchamilt> I did the current based on heirarchial names,  ROCK var,  PKG var, $pkg specific, PREFIX is what the var is.
19:06 < mnemoc> if [ "$( eval "echo '\$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX' 
19:06 < mnemoc> " )" ]; then
19:06 < mnemoc> aaarg
19:06 < cchamilt> But, I doubt we will need that specific of namespacing, we can change it after it functions.
19:07 < cchamilt> # Prefix functions
19:07 < cchamilt> #
19:07 < cchamilt> PREFIX_FILE=/var/adm/prefixes
19:07 < cchamilt> get_prefix() {
19:07 < cchamilt>         . $PREFIX_FILE
19:07 < cchamilt>         while [ "$1" ]
19:07 < cchamilt>         do
19:07 < cchamilt>                 if eval "[ -z \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${1}_PREFIX\}\" ]" ; then
19:07 < cchamilt>                         eval ROCK_PKG_${1}_PREFIX="usr"
19:07 < cchamilt>                 fi
19:07 < cchamilt>                 shift
19:07 < cchamilt>         done
19:07 < cchamilt> }
19:07 < cchamilt> save_prefix() {
19:07 < cchamilt>         if [ "$prefix" != "usr" ] ; then
19:07 < cchamilt>                 tmpfl=`mktemp`
19:07 < cchamilt>                 sed "/ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX/d" $PREFIX_FILE > $tmpfl
19:07 < cchamilt>                 mv -f $tmpfl $PREFIX_FILE
19:07 < cchamilt>                 echo "ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix}" >> $PREFIX_FILE
19:07 < cchamilt>         fi
19:07 < cchamilt> }
19:07 < cchamilt> set_prefix() {
19:07 < cchamilt>         if [ -n "$1" ] ; then
19:07 < cchamilt>                 prefix="$1"
19:07 < cchamilt>                 prefix_auto=0
19:07 < cchamilt>         elif eval "[ -n \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}\" ]" ; then
19:07 < cchamilt>                 tmp=ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX; prefix=${!tmp}
19:07 < cchamilt>                 #eval "prefix=\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}"
19:07 < cchamilt>                 prefix_auto=0
19:08 < cchamilt>         else
19:08 < cchamilt>                 if [ -z "$prefix" ] ; then
19:08 < cchamilt>                         prefix="usr"
19:08 < cchamilt>                 fi
19:08 < cchamilt>                 prefix_auto=1
19:08 < cchamilt>         fi
19:08 < cchamilt>         echo_status "Using the specified prefix $prefix for $pkg."
19:08 < cchamilt>         eval "ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix}"
19:08 < cchamilt>         set_confopt
19:08 < cchamilt> }
19:08 < cchamilt> That is it
19:08 < cchamilt> set_prefix is the killer
19:08 * tcr shoots cchamilt in his foot
19:09 < mnemoc> only in his foot?
19:09 < cchamilt> well it seemed like there was going to be a parallel engineering discussion, so I flooded.
19:10 < tcr> cchamilt, the next time please use http://codedbliss.com/codepaste/
19:10 < cchamilt> but x copy and paste from pico is so easy.
19:11 < tcr> You ain't gonna make friends with pasting 30-40 lines in a channel :)
19:11 < cchamilt> it is a slow night.
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19:13 < cchamilt> demasiado?
19:13 < SMP> "Upon submission, this code becomes part of the public domain and will be viewable by all from the codepaste index page."
19:13 < SMP> haha. ridiculous
19:14 < tcr> What's your point?
19:14 < cchamilt> oh no, my code belongs to sco
19:14 < holyolli> cchamilt: too much
19:15 < tcr> cchamilt,   elif eval "[ -n \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}\" ]" ; then <-- try removing the backslashes
19:15 < tcr> (before { and }=
19:15 < cchamilt> but i put them in only after the fact to try and help, so i dont think it will help.
19:16 < cchamilt> and yes the code currently enters elif eval "[ -n \"\$\{ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX\}\" ] and it should not.
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19:16 < cchamilt> oops must have filled his buffer
19:17 < mnemoc> elif [ "$( eval "echo '\$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX'" )" ]; then
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19:18 < cchamilt> I would rather -n, wont '' prefixes not echo?
19:18 < mnemoc> ' inside "" is just a char
19:19 < mnemoc> but u can use \" if you prefer
19:19 < mnemoc> have you tried using 'set -x'?
19:20 < cchamilt> yes, but if ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX='' would that fail the test?
19:20 < mnemoc> you are right
19:20 < cchamilt> no i havent tried set -x
19:20 < mnemoc> w8
19:20 < mnemoc> i need water... 35ºC is too much for my brain
19:20 < cchamilt> no prob
19:23 < mnemoc> # pkg=foo
19:24 < mnemoc> # ROCK_PKG_foo_PREFIX=/opt/foo
19:24 < mnemoc> # eval "echo \$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX"
19:24 < mnemoc> # if [ "$( eval "echo \$ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX" )" ]; then
19:24 < mnemoc> > echo yes
19:24 < mnemoc> > else
19:24 < mnemoc> > echo no
19:24 < mnemoc> > fi
19:24 < mnemoc> yes
19:25 < stonedSantaClaus> moin
19:25 < mnemoc> that 'yes' remaind me prolog :(
19:26 < mnemoc> hi owl
19:26 < holyolli> huhu owl
19:26 < stonedSantaClaus> hi holyolli , mnemoc 
19:27 < cchamilt> ok, still doesnt work with the prefix being '' though, I think I have something working from tcr's variation.
19:28 < mnemoc> why don't you grep the file???
19:28 < mnemoc> instead of flooding the env.
19:29 < cchamilt> I may later, this is what I have now
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19:30 < cchamilt> eval ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX=${prefix}
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19:30 < mnemoc> if you source the file you can't distinguish between undefined and defined as empty
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19:30 < cchamilt> your right
19:31 < mnemoc> if grep ....; then
19:31 < cchamilt> yep, i will change it
19:31 < mnemoc> eval `sed....`
19:31 < mnemoc> else
19:31 < mnemoc> ....
19:31 < mnemoc> fi
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19:32 < mnemoc> of course you can 'predefine' the 1015 prefixes as 'undefined' o_O
19:32 < holyolli> re
19:32 < mnemoc> hi holyolli 
19:33 < mnemoc> # for x in package/*/*; do eval "ROCK_PKG_${x##*/}_PREFIX=undefined"; done :-)
19:34 < holyolli> hi mnemoc
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19:35 < cchamilt> ugh
19:39 < mnemoc> cchamilt: what about a var/adm/prefixes/$pkg ?
19:41 < cchamilt> you mean a directory with one line per file?
19:41 < mnemoc> cat var/adm/prefixes/foo
19:41 < mnemoc> opt/foo
19:42 < mnemoc> easy test and easy read in bash
19:42 < cchamilt> yes
19:42 < mnemoc> and quite cheap :-)
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19:43 < cchamilt> hmm
19:45 < cchamilt> i am not sure which i prefer.
19:45 < cchamilt> if ! eval `grep "${tmp}=" $PREFIX_FILE` ; then
19:45 < cchamilt>                         eval ROCK_PKG_${1}_PREFIX="usr"
19:46 < cchamilt>                 fi
19:47 < mnemoc> if ! grep -q -E "^$tmp=" $PREFIX_FILE; then
19:48 < mnemoc> brb
19:49 < cchamilt> hmm ^ noted, but mine gets it into environment for free.
19:56 * mnemoc didn't understand that thing about the enviroment for free
19:57 < cchamilt> the backticks execute the grep return line. so the assignment of ROCK_PKG_${pkg}_PREFIX occurs if it is found.
19:59 < cchamilt> oops, the eval does afterwards
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20:06 < mnemoc> now i got what you said o_O
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20:06 < holyolli_> re...
20:06 < mnemoc> re-re holyolli_ 
20:07 < cchamilt> re holyolli
20:07 < cchamilt> ok, i got it i think working now....
20:08 < cchamilt> I will implement it as one file for now, though when i send the patch i will bring up the variable names and the directory version.
20:08 < cchamilt> I am running a bootdisk target test now to see it build the file.
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20:11 < cchamilt> ok, going to do other stuff. Thanks for the help.
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20:12 < mnemoc> bye cchamilt 
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20:13 < tcr> cchamilt, the directory method is basically the best one
20:13 < tcr> (didn't read everything)
20:13 < cchamilt> it may be for effort and time
20:14 < cchamilt> bye all
20:14 < tcr> cya
20:17 < SMP> 763 builds total, 562 completed fine, 16 with errors.
20:17 < SMP> *sigh*
20:18 < nookie_> mm
20:19 < SMP> those were the days, when could do a complete build in less than two days
20:20 < SMP> we should do a poll - 'what is the maximum possible build time you would like to see?'
20:21 < SMP>  ( ) ten minutes   ( ) two hours   ( ) a day   ( ) I am immortal
20:24 < blindcoder>  ( ) ten minutes   ( ) two hours   ( ) a day   (X) I am immortal
20:26 * mnemoc takes 4 hours for building linux26 :|
20:27 < mnemoc> why do we build the kernel on stage 1?
20:34 < mnemoc> for cross builds?
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21:41 < __mnemoc> ehm... iproute2-ahu includes an arpd
21:41 < __mnemoc> which requires libdb :\
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21:57 < rolla> re
22:00 < __mnemoc> hi rolla 
22:00 < rolla> how is it going?
22:01 < __mnemoc> i'm brainless, to much hot :(
22:01 < __mnemoc> and you?
22:02 < rolla> it is cold here and I am cleaning out my server room
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22:10 < rolla> __mnemoc: do you use wlan?
22:11 < rolla> anyone?
22:12 * holyolli_ .
22:12 < rolla> hallo holyolli_ 
22:12 < holyolli_> hi rolla
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22:14 < rolla> what is new with you holyolli ?
22:14 < holyolli> rolla: not that much...a lot to do
22:15 < rolla> alot to do with what?
22:15 < holyolli> i have some exams in 2 weeks
22:15 < tcr> hi rolla & holyolli
22:15 < rolla> ah I see
22:15 < rolla> hallo tcr
22:15 < holyolli> hi tcr
22:16 < rolla> do either of you use wlan ?
22:16 * tcr has left all exams behind for this schoolyear :)
22:16 < rolla> :)
22:16 < tcr> rolla: well sort of, but not in a way that I could be any help to you
22:16 < holyolli> rolla: i'm using wavelan
22:16 < rolla> ah
22:17 < rolla> I am trying to find a pcmcia card that will work good with linux
22:18 < holyolli> hm. /me is using orinoco cards, but as i heard those prism based are also ok
22:18 < __mnemoc> rolla: yes, i do
22:19 < rolla> yeah but trying to find a card is very hard
22:19 < rolla> they change chipsets at the drop of the hat
22:20 < holyolli> hm. don't know...my cards a quiet old and the newer one is integrated into the laptop
22:22 < rolla> lucky you
22:23 < __mnemoc> i use a dlink650+ with acx100 driver and works quite good
22:23 < rolla> hmm
22:24 < __mnemoc> hmm what?
22:24 < __mnemoc> you tried it and think it sucks? ;-)
22:24 < __mnemoc> daja77 had to fight a lot with his card
22:25 < __mnemoc> don't know if got it or not
22:25 < rolla> no I was thinking that I might try that card out
22:25 < rolla> I have a SMC card right now and it is not supported under 2.6
22:26 < __mnemoc> http://acx100.sourceforge.net/matrix.html
22:26 < mistik1> smc, eh?
22:27 < mistik1> mine works under the latest 2.4.x all of a sudden
22:35 < rolla> :)
22:35 < rolla> mistik1: yeah mine use to work there too but then I moved up to 2.6 kernel and the atmel drivers don't work there yet
22:35 < mistik1> ok
22:36 < rolla> what card do you have?
22:38 < mistik1> 2632W
22:42 < holyolli> does anybody know a good program to record from tv with v4l?
22:57 < rolla> v.?
22:58 < holyolli> huh?
23:01 < __mnemoc> makeopt="$makeopt KERNEL_INCLUDE=$root/usr/include" <-- how the heck is iproute2 building if looks for the kernel there???
23:04 < mistik1> is there a symlink from /usr/include/linux => /usr/src/linux/include
23:04 < __mnemoc> oh
23:05 < __mnemoc> sure... yes... but....
23:05 < __mnemoc> why i'm getting this with the newer version?
23:05 < __mnemoc> Please compile the kernel first, or point KERNEL_INCLUDE to your kernel.
23:05 < __mnemoc> make: *** [check-kernel] Error 1
23:05 < __mnemoc> i'll have to check that dman link
23:07 < SMP> well first of all it is not supposed to be a link
23:09 < SMP> what does check-kernel do exactly?
23:11 < SMP> hehe, very unusual build error with aspell-es
23:13 < SMP> the build runs on a JFS that enforces valid UTF-8 and the tar contains a file with an accented letter in latin1
23:14 < SMP> tar skips the file, but later /bin/cp gets EINVAL and causes make to abort
23:17 < SMP> (to be precise, JFS enforces UTF-8 for the filenames, not their contents of course)
23:38 < rolla> SMP you use jfs?
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23:47 < SMP> yes, on my laptop. some day I will migrate away from it ...
23:48 < rolla> really
23:48 < rolla> what do you think of reiserfs?
23:48 < SMP> I hate it
23:48 < rolla> really why?
23:49 < tcr> reiserfs3 is said to be not that bad
23:50 < SMP> rolla: I found it to be rather unstable at times when it should not have been
23:50 < rolla> hmm okay
23:50 < SMP> reiserfs3, really? do they have a real fsck this time?
23:51 < SMP> this rebuild-tree thing is a giant joke ...
23:51 < tcr> actually I meant reiserfs4 :)
23:51 < SMP> whatever ..
23:54 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
23:57 < rolla> hallo blindcoder 
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