--- Log opened Sun Dec 21 00:00:10 2003
00:02 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
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00:21 < daja77> __mnemoc: what, your card works?
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00:22 < __mnemoc> daja77: yes
00:22 < __mnemoc> you have the same?
00:23 < daja77> yes, damn
00:23 < __mnemoc> mine 'just work' 
00:23 < daja77> doesn't it tell you in the messages that you better should buy another card?
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00:28 < daja77> the readme states that there might be newer version of the dlink 650+ with unsupported chipset :(
00:28 < __mnemoc> i din't know you had my card :(
00:29 < __mnemoc> mine is old ;) even.. it's refurbished :'(
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00:30 < daja77> guess i have the brand new crap :(
00:30 < __mnemoc> i guess that too
00:31 < SMP> 764 builds total, 682 completed fine, 18 with errors.
00:31 < SMP> n8.
00:31 < daja77> plus the pcmcia controller is crap too
00:34 < daja77> how nice does the driver work anyway?
00:39 * blindcoder --> bed
00:40 < daja77> n8 blindcoder 
00:41 < holyolli> n8 blindcoder
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01:24 < rxr> re
01:25 < daja77> wb rxr :)
01:25 * daja77 just registered his dect phone on c3 wiki
01:25 < __mnemoc> hi rxr
01:27 < daja77> the rocklinux entry has not much content yet :)
01:27 < rxr> rocklinux.* still down
01:27 < __mnemoc> rxr: rocknet supports redefining the MAC of an if.?
01:28 < __mnemoc> .de is up ;-)
01:28 < daja77> another thing
01:31 < __mnemoc> another thing?
01:32 < daja77> another provider, owner
01:32 < daja77> 01:30 < safedin> mother?
01:32 < daja77> 01:30 < JMoTux> safedin: yes, son?
01:32 < daja77> rofl
01:32 < daja77> was für ein bot *kicher*
01:32 < daja77> aaaaargh, damn wrong chan
01:33 < daja77> ok sure sign for me to leave now
01:33 < daja77> cu
01:33 < rxr> cu daja77 
01:33 < daja77> cu rxr
01:33 < daja77> and sorry
01:34 < rxr> sorry for ?
01:34 < daja77> for spamming :)
01:34 < rxr> *lol* - no problem
01:34 < rxr> sleep well
01:34 < daja77> just sleeping
01:34 < daja77> ok thx
01:34 < holyolli> rxr: what happened to the rock mastersites?
01:35 < rxr> holyolli: don't know
01:35 < rxr> I tried to phone cliff hours ago - but his handy had no signal
01:35 < rxr> so I sent an SMS - no answer so far ...
01:35 < holyolli> hm. then i switch off the rsync from the master for tonight
02:06 < rxr> glibc bug report sent ...
02:07 < holyolli> rxr: which bug?
02:07 < rxr> regex matching
02:07 < holyolli> aha
02:08 < rxr> I CC'ed rock-linux
02:09 < holyolli> does the maillist run? or is it also affected by the server problems of rocklinux.org?
02:09 < rxr> ah - yes - interesting point
02:09 < rxr> we'll see in soem seconds
02:10 < holyolli> yep
02:12 < rxr> no mail yet
02:12 < rxr> it already arrived from "libc-alpha@sources.redhat.com" - but not from rock-linux ...
02:12 * holyolli was also wondering why there was no rock-mail in the last hours... :(
02:13 < rxr> yeah - me too
02:15 < __mnemoc> without a dns and an smtp it's pretty hard to the mail to get there ;-)
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02:16 < holyolli> mnemoc: hm. you may be right ;-)
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02:28 < rxr> ok - one of the two crashes of glibc is now worked arround
02:28 < rxr> patch will be in HEAD in some minutes
02:28 < __mnemoc> in HEAD?
02:28 < __mnemoc> 2.3.2?
02:30 < rxr> erhm - branch/glibc233 HEAD
02:30 < __mnemoc> did u get an answer from glibc-bugs?
02:30 < rxr> not yet - just sent a few minutes ago
02:31 < rxr> this is my own "workaround" which works correctly for my tests - and should not have side-effects since it checks if a pointer is ok ...
02:31 < __mnemoc> oh... you fixed glibc alone in the dark ;-)
02:33 < __mnemoc> did you saw the error i pasted you?
02:34 < rxr> yes
02:34 < __mnemoc> oops... sed: Couldn't flush stdout: No space left on device
02:34 < rxr> your's is a plain vanilla x86 build ?
02:35 < __mnemoc> yep
02:35 < __mnemoc> # echo rock-*
02:35 < __mnemoc> rock-devel rock-diet rock-download rock-glibc233 rock-init rock-ref rock-test
02:37 < rxr> __mnemoc: so the error was just because of disk full ?
02:37 < __mnemoc> nope
02:38 < __mnemoc> when i got that error i had about 800MB free
02:38 < __mnemoc> too many src.* dirs ;-)
02:40 < rxr> OMG - why is it THAT late ...
02:40 < rxr> I need to go to bed
02:41 < holyolli> n8 rxr
02:41 < rxr> holyolli: you asked about in-system glibc updates
02:41 < holyolli> rxr: that's right
02:42 < rxr> I did this three times yesterday and tonight with glibc-2.3.3-2003-12-1{6,8} on my iBook
02:42 < rxr> worked fine - except the 2.3.3 bugs ....
02:42 < rxr> this does not imply it always works fine - but it is good to know that is normally shoudl work with teh rock linux builds scripts ...
02:42 < holyolli> hm. ok...thx for the info...then i try to get a running glibc-2.3 for alpha and try my luck ;-)
02:44 < __mnemoc> rxr: did u commit glibc233?
02:45 < __mnemoc> holyolli: make the force be with you
02:45 < rxr> yes
02:46 < rxr> holyolli: maybe try a Build-Pkg -prefix=/opt/glibc-test glibc23 first
02:46 < rxr> just in case it produces extreme havoc ...
02:46 < holyolli> hm. sounds good...
02:47 < holyolli> thx...but first i try to win the pillow-pushing-contest in my bedroom ;-)
02:47 < rxr> __mnemoc: the commit mail arrived here - do you get those mails?
02:47 < holyolli> n8 alle zusammen / buenas noches
02:47 < rxr> cu holyolli 
02:47 < rxr> a short final info:
02:48 < rxr> I'll leave Berlin for some x-mas days with my family tomorrow afternoon
02:48 < rxr> I'll be back Friday night - just for CCC
02:48 < rxr> I'll have DSL at my parents house and tag -rc4 in the next days - as well as open a 2.0.0 branch monday or so
02:49 < __mnemoc> my dlink router is having some problems with the pppoe, it keep 'old' connections but fail to create new one... WEIRD
02:49 < rxr> __mnemoc: are you sure it is the router?
02:49 < holyolli> rxr: ok...then at this point merry christmas...unfortunateliy i'm not @ccc due to final exams in 2 weeks...:-/
02:49 < rxr> __mnemoc: ah you mean a fully hardware DSL router thing ...
02:49 < __mnemoc> no...
02:49 < __mnemoc> di-614+
02:50 < rxr> yeah - merry christmas to all
02:50 < holyolli> cya
02:50 < __mnemoc> my dsl thing is an arescom-1000
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02:50 < rxr> but I'll also arround periodically here ...
02:50 < __mnemoc> cu
02:50 < rxr> hm
02:50 < rxr> ok - cu
02:50 < __mnemoc> i'm not really sure what it is
02:51 < __mnemoc> but pluged directly to the dsl modem works 'fine'
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06:42 < MadTux> moin
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10:36 < blindcoder> moin moin
10:37 < praenti> moin
10:38 < blindcoder> the minimal builds are already done
10:39 < blindcoder> with pcmcia-cs, libdaemon and ifplugd failing
10:40 < praenti> pcmcia-cs, thats bad
10:40 < praenti> on laptops
10:41 < blindcoder> IIRC it fails because of some kernel config thing
10:46 < rxr> re
10:49 < blindcoder> moin rxr
10:49 < blindcoder> nerd.clifford.at still down?
10:53 < rxr> sseems so
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10:54 < blindcoder> damn...
11:00 < blindcoder> anyway, I'm gone again
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11:51 * blindcoder back
11:53 < rxr> rehi blindcoder 
11:59 < blindcoder> thx
12:01 < blindcoder> latest ndiswrapper doesn't compile >_<
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12:27 < blindcoder> anyone knows how to make a dynamic twodimensional array of char in C?
12:30 < rxr> with resizing in both x and y dimension ?
12:30 < blindcoder> yes
12:30 < blindcoder> eh no
12:30 < blindcoder> I want to do this:
12:30 < blindcoder> give a program a number of files as parameters and then allocate an array of char[FILENAME_MAX] with exact the number of files
12:31 < rxr> malloc ?
12:32 < rxr> malloc (FILEFNAME_MAX * n)
12:32 < blindcoder> in C++ I have done this using classes and new...
12:32 < rxr> nah - in C++ you would use soem nice STL container
12:32 < blindcoder> ehm... that looks like it'd work... mom
12:32 < rxr> and push_back them - or resize the container
12:33 < rxr> where the later is slightly more efficient - and the former nicer to program
12:34 < blindcoder> I now have:
12:34 < blindcoder> char *files;
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12:35 < blindcoder> files=(char *)malloc(FILENAME_MAX*64);
12:35 < blindcoder> memset(files, 0x0, FILENAME_MAX*64);
12:35 < blindcoder> but that gives me segfaults some time later with another char *... hmm... have to look into that
12:38 < blindcoder> nah, this can't be right...
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12:52 < rxr> I would use a array declaration of file so you cann access the files with
12:52 < rxr> files[nr] ...
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12:53 < blindcoder> hmm... sounds much better
13:08 < blindcoder> okay, now have a struct with int fd and char filename[FILENAME_MAX]
13:08 < blindcoder> now I need to get all files in a directory
13:13 * blindcoder --> lunch
13:18 < SMP> 764 builds total, 736 completed fine, 28 with errors.
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13:23 < holyolli> moin
13:29 * blindcoder back
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14:02 < cytrinox> moin
14:09 < rxr> moin cytrinox 
14:11 < blindcoder> okay, scanning the directory and storing the result in the struct works now ^^
14:23 * SMP tested implantisomd5 with a 1GB ISO
14:24 < SMP> rxr: any chance of this getting applied?
14:24 < rxr> SMP: after 2.0
14:25 < rxr> I think I'll open a 2.0.0 branch tomorrow so we can continue feture work in trunk
14:25 < SMP> wuahaha ;>
14:26 < rxr> I took a look into the patch - I still need to get all the details but I think the implentation need to be siplier
14:26 < rxr> SMP: wuahaha what ?
14:26 < SMP> trunk is currently nowhere near release quality
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14:28 < rxr> when you just complain here and not send bug fixes this does not get better faster
14:28 < rxr> the md5 implantation will not be in 2.0.0
14:29 < SMP> it's ok if isomd5sum doesn't get in soon
14:30 < SMP> but I'm not going to get into a hurry just because you are desperate to do a release prematurely
14:33 < rxr> SMP: the release was planned for summer - waiting longer and longer does not yet got external people to fix more bugs - so why shoudl waiting some mroe years fix this ?
14:39 < SMP> sorry to say that, but your method was flawed. we didn't need a series of immature release candidates and then numerous and sometimes intrusive (gnome24) package updates
14:40 < SMP> what was needed instead were clearly defined deadlines and a clearly defined goal, i.e. which package versions and which features had to get in and which not
14:41 < mnemoc> we need a roadmap but not only for 2.0.0, we need to trace it at least to 2.6
14:43 < rxr> I do not think the method was that flawed
14:43 < rxr> we work in an environment where external project release new major versions
14:43 < rxr> and obviously we do not want to wait for half a year until integration
14:44 < rxr> in the linux kernel numerous major subsystems are updated inside a development period
14:44 < rxr> , too
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14:45 < owl> moin
14:45 < mnemoc> moin HappyOwl
14:46 < SMP> external projects don't release important major versions as a complete surprise, we knew in advance which releases would happen and could have planned our accordingly
14:46 < blindcoder> moin owl
14:47 < SMP> and last but not least we could have resisted and e.g. not adopted Gnome 2.4 so early
14:47 < rxr> gnome-2.4 in summer, linux 2.6 now, kde-3.2 in Jan, glibc who knows - gcc has been in the summer and will be soon - 3.3 not yet perfectly integrated
14:47 * owl takes a piece of snow and rubs mnemoc with the snown
14:48 < owl> hi blindy, mnemoc 
14:49 < rxr> SMP: and btw. OSS was meant to release early and often - featuring people to contribute
14:49 < rxr> and this contribution part is the biggest problem here - too less people contributing
14:49 < SMP> we don't have any serious Linux 2.6 support now - I think it sucks, but I can live with a ROCK 2.0 that has 'Linux 2.6 support will be there in one of the next minor releases' written on it
14:50 < SMP> it's not like Linux 2.6.0 was the latest stable kernel anyway
14:50 < rxr> what major problem does we have with 2.6 ?
14:50 < rxr> SMP: btw. will you be at CCC ?
14:50 < SMP> yes, I will be
14:51 < SMP> for starters, we don't have a modprobe.conf at all and modules loading through devfsd doesn't work either
14:53 < rxr> ok - cu later
14:54 < mnemoc> cu rxr
14:54 < owl> so... i'm off again for finally moving out of here... (taking PC stuff with me and so) 
14:54 < owl> bbl
14:55 < mnemoc> goood luck owl
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14:57 < freed> hi @ll
15:00 < holyolli> hi freed
15:00 < freed> hi
15:00 < holyolli> hm. www.rocklinux.[net|org] are still down :(
15:01 < freed> yeap
15:01 < holyolli> doesn't anybody have access to the authoritative ns?
15:03 < SMP> not even Clifford really has
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15:05 < holyolli> smp: www and www2.rocklinux.de are still pointing to the same host..
15:05 < holyolli> smp: is the other german mirror still down?
15:07 < SMP> yes - I didn't bother setting up a vhost on another machine yet
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15:09 < holyolli> smp: otherwise we can take another server as www2, but it's only connected via dsl
15:09 < SMP> I think it's fine as it is now
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15:53 < maze_fan> dammit, I need a third hand >_<
15:55 < mnemoc> i need 40 hours days :\
15:56 < maze_fan> yes, that, too
15:57 < maze_fan> properly soldering LEDs onto a board with only two hands is nearly impossible
15:59 < mnemoc> use your mouth
16:01 < maze_fan> hmm
16:01 < holyolli> mnemoc: but don't hold the solder with your mouth...! ;-)
16:02 < holyolli> s/mnemoc/maze
16:02 < maze_fan> I can experiment a bit, still 116 LEDs to go
16:04 < mnemoc> 116?? from a total of..?
16:04 < maze_fan> 144
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16:15 * mnemoc imagines maze_fan holding the board with his feet, the solder on his mouth
16:18 < maze_fan> nah
16:18 < maze_fan> solder in one hand, soldering iron in other, leds on table, board above
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16:27 < mnemoc> you can hold the iron with your mouth and free one hand ;-)
16:32 < maze_fan> hehe
16:44 < maze_fan> 48 LEDs done
16:46 < mnemoc> go for it!
16:47 < maze_fan> well, I only have 62 LEDs anyway... the shops around here didn't have any more in stock
16:47 < aktnot> What are you making?
16:48 < mnemoc> 12x12 led-based display?
16:49 < maze_fan> 8x18
16:49 < maze_fan> blinkenleds :)
16:49 < maze_fan> already have the program written to put blinkenlight movies onto it :)
16:50 < mnemoc> doh
16:50 < mnemoc> for fun or for univ.?
16:50 < maze_fan> fun
16:51 < maze_fan> I'm not studying, already have a good job :)
16:51 < mnemoc> :)
16:52 < maze_fan> and when I look at esden then I want to study even less
16:52 < mnemoc> lol
16:53 < mnemoc> brb
17:00 < praenti> re
17:00 < praenti> anybody here who wants to stay in a hotel?
17:00 < maze_fan> re praenti 
17:07 < maze_fan> ok, 93 LEDs soldered. have to buy 51 additional ones
17:16 < owl> re
17:19 < owl> blindcoder: here?
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17:22 < maze_fan> owl: yes
17:22 < owl> aaaah. i'm blind
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17:58 < asshole|Universe> so. bye. i'm off. drinking till my mind escapes. 
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18:56 < freed> hi
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20:20 < rxr> re
20:26 < asshole|Universe> re
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20:26 < tsa> hi all.
20:26 < asshole|Universe> hi tsa !
20:26 < tsa> hi owl.
20:27 < rxr> cu later
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21:04 < tcr> moin all
21:04 < netrunner> moin, 2
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21:33 < cchamilt> i am going to bed, just wanted to ask...  Owl are you piped into the universe?  That must hurt...
21:34 < asshole|Universe> *g* sure :p 
21:34 < asshole|Universe> gn8 cchamilt . enjoy the sleep. and sleep well. 
21:34 < cchamilt> n8
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21:47 < A-Tui> hi all
21:49 < asshole|Universe> hi A-Tui ! que tal?
21:49 < A-Tui> hi asshole|Universe, muy bien, gracias, y tu?
21:49 < A-Tui> esres owl?
21:53 < asshole|Universe> no muy bien, gracias. 
21:53 < asshole|Universe> esres?
21:53 < A-Tui> ops sorry i want say "eres"?
21:53 < A-Tui> eres -> are you?
21:53 < asshole|Universe> eres? aaah... thx
21:54 < asshole|Universe> si, soy owl
21:54 < A-Tui> vaya nick más extraño :)
21:54 < A-Tui> or what a strange nick
21:55 < asshole|Universe> hehe ;) a strange, but a true nick
21:55 < A-Tui> sure :)
21:55 < A-Tui> but we must optimists
21:56 < asshole|Universe> sure :p
22:21 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
22:26 < mistik1> hey blindcoder 
22:26 < mistik1> did you ever get another car yet?
22:31 < blindcoder> mistik1: sure ^^ thanks ^^
22:32 < mistik1> cool
22:33 < blindcoder> yeah, I got almost the same one again ^^ (and a CD-Changer for free ^^)
22:42 < mistik1> :)
22:42 < mistik1> better yet, you are here to drive it my good man
22:47 < daja77> blindcoder: red alert
22:47 < daja77> 1075 builds total, 412 completed fine, 304 with errors.
22:47 < asshole|Universe> wtf?
22:49 < blindcoder> daja77: hoeh?
22:50 < blindcoder> mistik1: yeah and I'm really happy about that
22:50 < blindcoder> daja77: what package caused that?
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22:51 < daja77> xfree, it got updated and Download hasn't noticed this before build wtf
22:51 < blindcoder> 1075 builds total, 627 completed fine, 5 with errors.
22:51 < daja77> after running this again it downloads new packages *gnarf*
22:52 < daja77> will check retry packages options to not loose everything
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22:52 < blindcoder> daja77: ok
22:53 < daja77> this sucks, was not here today haven't noticed the mess earlier
22:54 < blindcoder> no problem, almost half of it is still already done
22:55 < daja77> still angry
23:01 < daja77> no idea if it gets finisshed in time
23:03 < blindcoder> if not, then there simply won't be those builds available. big deal.
23:06 < daja77> ok
23:06 < daja77> download in progress
23:06 < daja77> isdn ...
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23:20 * blindcoder --> bed
23:20 < daja77> n8 blindy
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