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00:30 < daja77> *lol*
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01:11 < rxr> re
01:12 < daja77> hi rxr
01:17 < rxr> hi daja77 
01:17 < rxr> has clifford told what the problem at rocklinux.* has been?
01:17 < daja77> power loss, on the ml, yes
01:21 < rxr> ah - I just see
01:22 < daja77> but down a few hours, it was almost a day, iirc
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01:38 < rxr> ok - me back in the morning ...
01:38 < rxr> cu
01:39 < daja77> cu rxr
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02:23 < rxr> re
02:23 < rxr> Wow - 30 nicks here ...
02:24 < daja77> O_o how come?
02:25 < daja77> nice linux 2.6.0 shuts down my laptop before finished booting
02:29 < rxr> I'm very happy that 2.6 does work quite good on this ibook
02:29 < rxr> I thought it would crash like hell on non-x86 boxes
02:30 < daja77> it just doesn't on this laptop *sigh*
02:30 < daja77> since i activated devfs ...
02:32 < rxr> hm - devfs does not seem to be a problem on this iBook
02:32 < daja77> i have no idea why it does that, no error message one could use
02:33 * daja77 happy he got rid of his scanner problems today
02:34 < batok> I have run ./scripts/Config , now what 's next?
02:35 < daja77> scripts/Build-Target
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02:36 < batok> Paranoia Check: Program 'mktemp' not found or too old!
02:36 < batok> You need an 'mktemp' installed which does know about the -p
02:36 < batok> option. Install the latest mktemp version.
02:36 < batok> Paranoia Check found errors -> not doing anything.
02:36 < batok> You can disable the Paranoia Checks in the Config tool
02:36 < batok> on your own risk!
02:37 < daja77> just do so
02:37 < batok> what 's this supposed to do , to make an ISO directly to CDROM??
02:37 < daja77> installing new mktemp i mean
02:37 < daja77> maybe you want to read the handbook before proceeding
02:38 < rxr> batok: you meant what mktemp is for ?
02:38 < batok> yeap
02:39 < rxr> batok: a tool to genrate unique names for temporary
02:39 < rxr> files
02:39 < rxr> nearly any distribution ship it and use it\
02:39 < rxr> but many distributions ship a broken version
02:39 < batok> ok
02:39 < batok> I am running RH8
02:39 < batok> I am going to download the latest source
02:40 < batok> or RPM
02:40 < daja77> batok: do you have a devfs enabled kernel on your rh8=
02:40 < daja77> ?
02:40 < batok> Can I get such info via lsmod?
02:41 < batok> is it a module?
02:41 < batok> or directly from .config?
02:43 < daja77> have you built your own?
02:44 < batok> my own...kernel?
02:44 < daja77> yes
02:44 < batok> no, it is the one included in RH8
02:45 < daja77> the precompiled rh kernels have no devfs enabled
02:45 < daja77> so you'd have to recompile it with devfs support
02:45 < batok> ok
02:45 < batok> I owe you one!
02:45 < batok> tks
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02:46 < daja77> np that's why we are here
02:47 < daja77> d'oh
02:51 < rxr> ...
02:52 < daja77> hm?
02:52 < daja77> have i scared him
02:54 < rxr> I'm not sure
02:54 < rxr> but might be better for him if he/she never compiled a kernel before ..
02:55 < daja77> can't help it, devfs is still required for rock and rh doesn't have it
02:55 * daja77 building rock on rh8 at work :))
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02:55 < rxr> me konws
02:56 < daja77> *gg*
02:57 * daja77 hopes that x build this time
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03:13 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
03:14 < mnemoc> hi
03:14 < mnemoc> i'm not getting mails of RLML :(
03:14 < daja77> why
03:14 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
03:14 * mnemoc reading them from lurker
03:15 < mnemoc> hi rxr
03:15 < mnemoc> no idea
03:15 < daja77> trouble with your provider?
03:16 < rxr> Comitted revision 2048.
03:16 < mnemoc> no.. i get SVN-CHANGELOG and lot of spam, but i don't recive RLML
03:17 < daja77> nice thx
03:18 < rxr> now I'm really off to bed ... cu
03:18 * daja77 too
03:18 < daja77> cu
03:18 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
03:18 < mnemoc> gn8 daja
03:19 < daja77> cu mnemoc 
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08:55 < netrunner> moin
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09:12 * netrunner installing ROCK at work
09:34 < netrunner> hm, don't we have the xntpd?
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11:14 < clifford> moin
11:14 < daja77> moin clifford 
11:27 < blindcoder> moin moin
11:28 < blindcoder> WEE! All Pentium* builds are done ^^
11:31 < daja77> moin blindcoder 
11:31 < daja77> my athlon_xp builds do not work
11:31 < blindcoder> why not? X?
11:32 < clifford> daja77: ice, i guess?
11:33 < daja77> no it claims it can't remove a directoryafter having make install almost finished
11:33 < blindcoder> hrm?
11:34 < blindcoder> which one?
11:34 < clifford> hae? which package? what's the exact error message?
11:35 < daja77> install in nls/XI18N_OBJS done
11:35 < daja77> make[1]: Leaving directory `/R.src/xc/nls/XI18N_OBJS'
11:35 < daja77> removed `/etc/fonts/fonts.conf.bak'
11:35 < daja77> rm: cannot remove `/usr/X11': Is a directory
11:35 < daja77> --- BUILD ERROR ---
11:35 < daja77> package xfree86
11:35 < blindcoder> bull, X11 is a symlink
11:35 < blindcoder> rm -rf X11 by hand
11:36 < daja77> what would that help
11:36 < blindcoder> last time I saw that it was a defunct fonts-package
11:36 < blindcoder> that made a mkdir -p /usr/X11/..../.../.../
11:36 < blindcoder> before XFree was build
11:37 < blindcoder> I think something like that happened here, too
11:37 < daja77> the fonts packages should bebuilt after xfree, no?
11:38 < blindcoder> correct
11:38 < daja77> could such a bug be related to optimization parameters as well?
11:39 < blindcoder> don't think so
11:40 < daja77> me neither, just remember that x was the package which caused trouble with wrong optimization
11:41 < clifford> daja77: which package owns usr/X11 ?
11:42 < daja77> how can i figure that out
11:43 < blindcoder> grep 'usr/X11$' build/ID/root/var/adm/flists/*
11:45 < daja77> the nvidia package
11:46 < blindcoder> I think I know what happened
11:46 < blindcoder> X failed with the optimization thing
11:46 < blindcoder> then nvidia got built and did a mkdir -p /usr/X11/.../.../
11:47 < blindcoder> which caused that directory to be created and thus owned by nvidia
11:47 < daja77> args damn no wrong
11:47 < blindcoder> ?
11:47 < daja77> x didn't built the first time cos i had the wrong tarball
11:48 < daja77> then i retried and ran into that mess
11:49 < daja77> nvidia package does no check whether x exists ...
11:49 < daja77> guess i have to reschedule/remove the nvidia package and rerun that stuff
11:50 < blindcoder> yes, but if you think you can't finish until 20C3 I'll try to build it on the Pentium4 here
11:50 < blindcoder> clifford: do you think it's possible to build a Athlon XP build on a Pentium 4
11:50 < blindcoder> ?
11:51 < daja77> well the build can run over xmas, i am just not here to have a look at it
11:51 < blindcoder> daja77: okay
11:51 < blindcoder> daja77: if you got the correct sources now then it _should_ run fine
11:51 < daja77> you would need a crossbuild to do that
11:51 < daja77> i have now all the sources for rev 2037
11:52 < blindcoder> good ^^
11:52 < blindcoder> what are you building atm?
11:52 * daja77 thinkking about scripts/Cleanup -full, to prevent that other stuff like this happens when i am away
11:53 < daja77> atm generic pentium-mmx and bootdisk :)
11:53 < daja77> but i can build boootdisk on the laptop as well
11:54 < blindcoder> are you already done with one build? (minimal for example?)
11:55 < daja77> nope minimal & bootdisk are scheduled for the laptop (athlon 1600+) to save my nerves
11:55 < daja77> they will be built when i am away
11:56 < daja77> so i don't have to sleep with that noise
11:56 < blindcoder> good ^^
12:02 * blindcoder back to soldering
12:02 < daja77> happy fight
12:03 < blindcoder> thx
12:10 < daja77> bbl
12:46 < rxr> re
12:46 < blindcoder> moin rxr
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13:04 < freed> rxr?
13:13 < rxr> hi freed 
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13:28 < starlord> hmm,i'm really confused here,how do i install gnome24(base)?
13:29 < daja77> mine -i $package?
13:30 < starlord> hmm,yep,if from gem files,but with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg
13:32 < starlord> what is the "base" package for gnome24 to put for /scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep $package
13:34 < starlord> and did rocknet didnt come with 2.0-rc2? what's the package for that?
13:34 < daja77> dunno sorry
13:36 < clifford> starlord: rocknet is not a seperate package
13:36 < clifford> it's a system of plugins supported by multiple packages (such as stone)
13:38 < starlord> clifford:ok,thanks
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13:38 < daja77> btw we should add some content to https://wiki.ccc.de/bin/view/Congress2003/RockLinux
13:40 < starlord> is anyone using that microcode_ctl(update thing) during boot up?
13:48 < mnemoc> re
13:49 < daja77> wb mnemoc 
13:49 < mnemoc> thanks daja77 
13:51 < mnemoc> how r u today daja?
13:52 < daja77> i am ok
13:53 < mnemoc> good
13:53 < daja77> and you
13:54 < mnemoc> ok too ;-) but without RLML daily flood o_O
13:55 < daja77> ;-)
13:56 < mnemoc> daja77: did my patch for scripts/Download reach the ML?
13:56 < daja77> yes
13:57 < mnemoc> ehm... then i still subscribed =)
13:57 < daja77> ;-)
13:58 < mnemoc> clifford: if you have a time, can you see why i'm bouncing? (amery@geeks.cl)
14:01 * blindcoder --> lunch
14:08 * mnemoc --> breakfast
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14:21 < mnemoc> re
14:24 < rxr> re
14:28 < mnemoc> wb rxr
14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: the regex stuff in glibc should be fixed in it's CVS now
14:32 < rxr> I'll commit a updated glibc233 branch later
14:32 < mnemoc> don't you get then -lgcc_eh error?
14:33 < rxr> not on PowerPC
14:33 < mnemoc> aarg :\
14:33 < rxr> I have not tried the glibc233 branch on x86 yet
14:34 < rxr> ok - cu later
14:35 < mnemoc> cu
14:43 < Aard> snow sucks. xmas sucks.
14:49 * blindcoder back
14:54 < daja77> hi Aard 
14:55 < Aard> hi. and bye. (modem line, timebased billing)
14:55 < daja77> k. cu
15:01 < netrunner> ts, now I organized lots of cables and hubs, now they tell me they do not need it.
15:01 < daja77> so we use it for ourselves
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15:04 < netrunner> daja77: ok, then we have ... 18*24 ports on our table :)
15:05 < netrunner> only 10MBit though :) but I have lwl in my build server :)
15:05 < netrunner> maybe the one organizing space for us can make sure we get an extra fibre to us, so we can provide rock isos with GIG speed 
15:06 < daja77> :)
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16:36 < blindcoder> 32 wires to go
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16:39 < holyoli> moin
16:40 < holyoli> does anybody have the snailmail-address of mike?
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16:43 < blindcoder> not yet
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17:45 < netrunne1> how can I create the default databases for mysql?
17:48 < SMP> you mean the grant tables in the 'mysql' db?
17:51 < SMP> use mysql_install_db or better yet extract the scheme from this script and save it for later use
18:01 < netrunne1> SMP: thx, I'll try.
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18:47 < blindcoder> WEE! My blinkenLEDs work!
18:47 < netrunne1> blinkcoder: bravo :)
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18:48 < netrunner> Error logs from athlon_mp_generic-2.0.0-rc4-x86-athlon-mp-32-generic-expert: 1075 builds total, 659 completed fine, 8 with errors.
18:51 < netrunner> haha, found something better this time: NuppelVideoRecorder.o
18:53 < blindcoder> netrunner: thanks
18:53 < blindcoder> NuppelVideoRecorder.o ?????
18:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: even better than NuppelDecoder.o :)
18:55 < blindcoder> ehm...
18:56 < blindcoder> mplayer?
18:57 < netrunner> mythtv
18:58 < blindcoder> i c
18:59 < blindcoder> still have to write the software for blinkenleds though
19:01 < blindcoder> the DOS software works, but the linux port (made by me :/) still has some glitches
19:03 < blindcoder> well, I will rewrite it... tomorrow... or on Friday... maybe at the weekend... maybe not at all >_<
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19:17 < tsa> hi all.
19:20 < mnemoc> hi tsa 
19:30 * blindcoder gone
19:36 < praenti> hi
19:36 < praenti> tsa: also on the engel list is no traffic today...
19:36 < praenti> tsa: i think they enjoy x-mas
19:37 < tsa> ah..ok
19:39 < praenti> netrunner: borrr. NuppelVideoRecoder *lol*
19:39 < tsa> bbl - adding new disk.
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19:53 < mnemoc> what is engel?
19:55 < praenti> mnemoc: the translation would be angel
19:55 < praenti> but everybody on the c3 says "engel" to this people, even they translate that on the chaos page
19:56 < mnemoc> lol
19:56 < praenti> these people helps in different situations during the congress
19:57 < praenti> this means control the hardware checkin, supports workshops, helping with audio/video and many more
19:59 < praenti> and perhaps i will be member of the CERT-team. this means ChaosEmergencyResponseTeam
20:00 < praenti> this people do first aid in case of a medical emergency and watching over the fire protection
20:01 * praenti is a firefighter 
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:05 < mnemoc> c3 ppl is very imaginative
20:06 < mnemoc> Site: http://www.ccc.de/congress/2003/engel.de.html
20:06 < mnemoc> Blocked categories: Crime
20:06 < mnemoc> ehm
20:07 < praenti> Blocked categories: Crime, what do you mean by that?
20:07 < praenti> is this s.th. from your firewall?
20:07 < mnemoc> that's what my proxy said :\
20:07 < praenti> :-(
20:07 < praenti> wait a minute
20:09 < mnemoc> www.ccc.de -> choose .de/.uk    cert.ccc.de -> choose .de/.us
20:10 < mnemoc> (language selection)
20:13 < praenti> you can reach this one on http://biersorten.dyndns.org/congress2003/congress/2003/engel.en.html
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20:17 < praenti> shit complete nmirroring does not work :-(
20:21 * praenti away now. see you tomorrow
20:28 < puzzled> rxr: any more luck with getting the PPC cd bootable?
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20:49 * netrunner adding sql support to qt32 :/
20:49 < netrunner> s/32/31/
21:04 < mnemoc> qt32 sounds very windows :)
21:05 < daja77> re
21:05 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
21:05 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
21:17 < daja77> are there any plans what we want to do at 20c3, which might be worth announcing in the wiki?
21:19 < mnemoc> i guess there are no plans ;)
21:25 < daja77> secret plan, how to gain word domination
21:27 < mnemoc> you can't publish that plan on the wiki
21:28 < daja77> no i could write something about the rock dvd to confuse them#
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21:55 < tcr> moin all
21:57 < mnemoc> moin tcr
21:57 < daja77> hi tcr
21:57 < daja77> welcome to this empty place
21:59 < tcr> hm?
22:00 < mnemoc> it's not empty
22:01 < daja77> but lonely ;-)
22:01 < mnemoc> plenty of idlers :)
22:02 < mnemoc> welcome to the lonely rock
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22:54 < netrunner> mnemoc: you are not alone :)
22:55 < mnemoc> thanks netrunner 
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23:17 < mnemoc> can someone tell me the benefit of this alien cp?
23:17 < mnemoc> cd rdd && tar cf - btree.h | (cd /opt/clip/include && tar xf -)
23:17 < mnemoc> cd sql && tar cf - *.h | (cd /opt/clip/include && tar xf -)
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23:26 < tcr> mnemoc, it guarantees a preservation of directory layout and permissions
23:27 < mnemoc>  oh... thanks tcr
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