--- Log opened Sat Dec 27 00:00:07 2003
00:07 * daja77 off to bed, cu all
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00:17 < nookie> daja77: Already off?
00:26 < rxr> re
00:27 < mnemoc> hi rxr, nookie 
00:31 < nookie> Hi mnemoc 
00:32 < mnemoc> brb :)
00:32 < nookie> mnemoc: would you please be as kind to pack the actual trunk to an archive and send it / or upload it somewhere?
00:32 < mnemoc> email addr?
00:33 < nookie> n00kie@dltmail.de
00:33 < nookie> thank you
00:33 < mnemoc> welcome
00:34 < mnemoc>  ;=
00:35 < mnemoc> with or without .svn?
00:36 < nookie> with
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00:43 < mnemoc> 2.3M sent
00:43 < mnemoc> rev2067
00:43 < nookie> thank you, that's nice
00:44 < mnemoc> i need to go for food.. bbl
00:44 < nookie> enjoy
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01:36 < LuckyLuke> whats the difference between 2.0.0-rc2 and 2.0.0-camp ?
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01:43 < tcr> LuckyLuke, camp is way older
01:45 < mnemoc> re
01:46 < LuckyLuke> ok
01:47 < mnemoc> iirc camp was a rc of rc2 :)
01:48 < mnemoc> rc2-pre sounds better
01:49 < nookie> mnemoc: thank you, it was very nice from you to send me the tarball
01:50 < mnemoc> :)
01:50 < mnemoc> i can mail it again if you want ;)
01:57 < rxr> re
01:57 < tcr> hey rxr, still awake?
01:58 < tcr> me's just going to bed right away
01:59 < rxr> ok - off into bed now - cu
02:00 < nookie> sleep well rxr, tcr 
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02:17 < mnemoc> nookie: 2068 fixes 2067... do u need the diff or can update from there?
02:23 < nookie> diff would be finer
02:27 < mnemoc> sent
02:27 < mnemoc> brb
02:27 < nookie> fine
02:28 < nookie> thank you mate
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03:41 < batok> I am downloading drock 2 rc3, does anybody know what kernel ( version ) is included ?
03:43 < mnemoc> linux 2.4.22
03:43 < batok> tks
03:43 < batok> is it possible to make it run with 2.6?
03:44 < mnemoc> i guess it is
03:46 < mnemoc> desktop target doesn't include any reference to linux26, then i should be built too
03:49 < batok> who
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03:54 < mnemoc> gn8 *
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04:04 < MadTux> moin all.
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06:36 < cytrinox`> moin
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06:37 < MadTux> hi cytrinox`
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07:31 < daja77> moin
07:33 < cytrinox`> morgen daja77
07:36 < daja77> moin cytrinox` 
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08:40 < rxr> re
08:41 < rxr> moin
08:55 < daja77> hi rxr
09:07 < Aard> moin
09:10 < asshole|Universe> moin
09:11 < asshole|Universe> .oO(fsck, my touchpad is not working very well with this 2.6.0-kernel )
09:13 < Aard> asshole|Universe: mine works
09:14 < asshole|Universe> Aard: hrmpf. mine is quite "ungenau" and when i "click", then i have to use those fscking "tasten" and so...
09:14 < asshole|Universe> --> not very good *grmbls*
09:14 < Aard> asshole|Universe: synaptics?
09:15 < daja77> hi Aard still in C atm, packing
09:15 < Aard> daja77: do you have a dect phone?
09:15 < daja77> i do have
09:15 < Aard> k. call me :) 2442
09:16 < asshole|Universe> Aard: dunno... why?
09:16 < Aard> asshole|Universe: if you have one you should enable synaptics support in the kernel.and install the synaptics driver for X
09:17 < asshole|Universe> hrm. how to find it out?
09:17 < daja77> 2120 is mine, hopefully :)
09:17 < Aard> read the technical documentation of your notebook :)
09:17 < starlord> aard:what driver for X? i have synaptics and i just enabled support in kernel and works fine
09:18 < asshole|Universe> Aard: there is nothing about the vendor of the touchpad... at least last time i saw in it
09:18 < Aard> starlord: to make scrolling, 2nd/3rd-button-click, ... working. all this can be done by moving/tapping on the touchpad
09:18 < Aard> asshole|Universe: buy another notebook ;)
09:18 < asshole|Universe> Aard: naaaah. :p
09:19 < asshole|Universe> btw, someone knows which HDs and/or CDburners and/or DVD/CD-burners are good and not toooooooo expansive?
09:20 < starlord> asssss:i like LG's,never had problems with them
09:21 < asshole|Universe> hmm. k. 
09:21 < Aard> starlord: they do not support linux. remember the flush problem with lg-readers
09:22 < starlord> true,havent much used it under linux,only used my laptop burner under linux which isnt lg
09:23 < Aard> starlord: they work well under linux, but you nay not receive support for braindamaged designissues
09:24 < asshole|Universe> braindamaged designissues like?
09:24 < Aard> asshole|Universe: flush. 
09:25 < Aard> lg _readers_ interpretet the atapi flush command (for readers only, to flush caches) as 'erase the firmware'
09:25 < asshole|Universe> oops
09:25 < Aard> aehm, writers only.
09:25 < Aard> only slept 4 hours :)
09:26 < starlord> btw. do you know burner maker that has its "own" support for it's devices under linux? i never havent checked their support and i'm just curious....
09:27 < asshole|Universe> hehe. where at the 20c3 are you?
09:27 < Aard> asshole|Universe: info desk. the only place wher I could get network :)
09:28 < asshole|Universe> *lol*
09:28 < Aard> starlord: no, but lg is imo the only company explecitly saying 'we do not support linux'
09:31 < Aard> daja77: btw, rocklinux table in hackcenter is near metarheinmain, where I am
09:33 < asshole|Universe> <- off again. 
09:33 < asshole|Universe> bye
09:33 < Aard> by euleken
09:37 < daja77> Aard: anyone there?
09:38 < Aard> daja77: jup. I hadn' seen it if fake hadn't called me
09:46 < Aard> bbl
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12:17 < rxr> re
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14:03 < fake> hi
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15:18 < mnemoc> moin 
15:24 < blindcoder> moin moin
15:25 < mnemoc> how r u blinker?
15:26 < mnemoc> do u have pics of your new toy?
15:26 < blindcoder> not yet
15:26 < blindcoder> just got my hands on a cam
15:28 < mnemoc> are u already on the congress?
15:28 < blindcoder> sure
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15:35 < blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/bilder/
15:35 < blindcoder> then click on 20C3
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15:43 < mnemoc> cool.. pics
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15:57 < mnemoc> blindcoder: the first one is your room?
16:06 < blindcoder> no, snyke's
16:11 < snyke> lol
16:11 < snyke> :)
16:12 < snyke> why do you mirror my /home :)
16:12 < blindcoder> snyke: because those images were still left on the cam :P
16:12 < snyke> ah, yes :)
16:12 < snyke> right
16:12 < snyke> I thought you have them from http://snyke.acamar.org/
16:14 < mnemoc> :)
16:20 < mnemoc> http://snyke.acamar.org/ut2004_screen001.jpg <-- what game is that?
16:20 < starlord> unreal tournament
16:20 < mnemoc> ehm... i need to play more :\
16:21 < starlord> :)
16:21 < starlord> its good game,too bad it prolly wont work on my laptop
16:21 < snyke> it's just a preview
16:21 < snyke> mnemoc: http://happypenguin.org/ :)
16:22 * blindcoder gone
16:26 < starlord> url for 20C3 congress website?
16:27 < mnemoc> http://www.ccc.de/congress/2003
16:29 * netrunner got net
16:30 < netrunner> blindcoder: do you have the download/ on a congress-mirror?
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16:31 < blindcoder> netrunner: nope
16:32 < netrunner> blindcoder: now would be the right time to do so :)
16:33 < blindcoder> netrunner: then start :)
16:34 < mnemoc> why all these german things are on german :(
16:35 < blindcoder> I can't get quite used to taht either :D
16:38 < mnemoc> :)
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16:44 < tcr> moin all
16:45 < mnemoc> moin tcr
16:47 < blindcoder> moin tcr
16:49 < mnemoc> "SKIRT Linux - tool to provide from (Linux) distributions " <-- damn google
16:49 < blindcoder> *lol*
16:51 < netrunner> blindcoder: do you have the sources here so I can put them on our ftp?
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16:53 < blindcoder> netrunner: nope
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17:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: ok, then I need to download them :/
17:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: do you want my finished build as iso or the pkg dir
17:08 < netrunner> hm, that's too slow. doesn't anybody there have the sources?
17:08 < blindcoder> netrunner: the build dir
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18:06 < fake> netrunner: go ahead
18:07 < netrunner> fake: 82.130.43.156/incoming-pub
18:10 < fake> netrunner: mach dir ein tar von meinem download/ dir
18:11 < netrunner> fake: thx
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18:14 < netrunner> blindcoder: ftp://82.130.47.199/rock-linux/build
18:15 < netrunner> blindcoder: only take the generic one, the other one is not finished.
18:17 < fake> netrunner: 1.8 G
18:18 < netrunner> fake: already there?
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18:21 < fake> netrunner: running...
18:23 < fake> hm, fast...
18:24 < netrunner> fake: it's right of your feet :)
18:24 < netrunner> oh, left
18:26 < fake> aah
18:26 < fake> the strange machine with the lwl connector
18:26 < fake> we were wondering whose it is.
18:26 < fake> netrunner: have fun with my download directory ;)
18:26 * fake havin' a cigarette
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18:46 < starlord> hmm,just curious how long it takes to build those target cds like netrunner(?) has in its ftp
18:48 < mnemoc> a generic takes almost a week :)
18:48 < mnemoc> on my box at least
18:48 < netrunner> starlord: generic takes me about 2,5 days.
18:49 < starlord> netrunner what machine you got?
18:49 < netrunner> with tempfs. local cluster is even a bit faster.
18:49 < netrunner> starlord: dual athlon mp 2,4GHz 
18:50 < starlord> hih,wondering how many pc's should i have to minimize it to few hours :)
18:54 < starlord> hmm,in theory i might get it to few hours if i get access to all pc in school(around 1.2k)
18:54 < mnemoc> too many, the dependencies wont let you multitask enought
18:55 < starlord> :)
18:55 * netrunner building ftp://82.130.47.199/ftplist.htm
18:59 < starlord> netrunner:who's machine's are those? would be nice to know who's ftp server i'm scanning :)
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19:05 < netrunner> starlord: congress :)
19:06 < mnemoc> 20C3 Network Abuse Contact: +49 30 72622-42.
19:07 < netrunner> +49 30 72622-3215 is my number :) congress dect network
19:08 < netrunner> +49 30 72622-44-3215 
19:08 * netrunner -> lunch
19:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: STOP
19:10 < netrunner> blindcoder: what?
19:10 < blindcoder> netrunner: I'm also hungry
19:10 < mnemoc> netrunner: are you a bastard engel from hell?
19:10 < netrunner> blindcoder: oh, sorry. I am invited at my hosts'
19:10 < blindcoder> :P
19:10 < netrunner> mnemoc: nope
19:12 < mnemoc> non-engel ppl diserves phone number??
19:12 < netrunner> mnemoc: everybody does.
19:12 < mnemoc> wow
19:15 < mnemoc> you don't work on 26.12 and everybody has phone number... i need to move :(
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20:07 < daja77> re
20:07 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
20:07 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
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20:10 < daja77> anybody here who has a working mozilla on rc2?
20:28 < blindcoder> just on rc4
20:36 < daja77> have rc4 running ;-)
20:47 < mnemoc> will we add {thunder,fire}bird?
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21:09 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
21:12 < mnemoc> is rene at 20c3 now?
21:14 < mnemoc> 2072 will broke all cross builds.. why did he commit it??
22:00 < netrunner> re
22:02 < mnemoc> hi netrunner 
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22:03 < LocalHero> Hi all
22:04 < mnemoc> wb LocalHero 
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22:07 < netrunner> Error logs from athlon_mp_desktop-2.0.0-rc4-x86-athlon-mp-32-desktop-expert: 844 builds total, 587 completed fine, 11 with errors.
22:10 < mnemoc> what is failing?
22:10 < netrunner>  [5]   0 rene/ffmpeg                     [5]   2 rene/xemacs-packages
22:10 < netrunner>  [5]   0 rene/auctex                     [5]  17 misc/directfb
22:10 < netrunner>  [5]  16 gnome24/gok                     [5]  16 gnome24/galeon
22:10 < netrunner>  [5]   0 gnome24/straw                   [5]   0 gnome24/pkgview
22:10 < netrunner>  [5]  16 gnome24/libxklavier             [5]  15 gnome24/gswitchit
22:10 < netrunner>  [5]   0 rene/koffice  
22:11 < netrunner> (straw and xemacs-packages not in download/)
22:12 < mnemoc> sabanah is back, so we can download straw :)
22:12 < netrunner> mnemoc: downloading doesn't work :( at least not yesterday.
22:13 < netrunner> 404 page not found.
22:15 < mnemoc> d'oh
22:18 < mnemoc> what if we move to an snapshot for now?
22:20 < mnemoc> netrunner: try this http://www.helsinki.fi/~pakaste/store/dl/straw-0.21.2.tar.gz
22:21 < mnemoc> if it works we can move it to the mirrors
22:22 < mnemoc> how was the rock's presentation?
22:23 < daja77> we had technical problems ...
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22:23 < mnemoc> what kind of 'technical problems'?
22:24 < daja77> the beamer didn't work with clifford's laptops and the audio install was a mess (lots of echoes)
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22:26 < mnemoc> ouch :(
22:26 < daja77> he gave his best anyway ;-)
22:26 < blindcoder> yeah, that disconnect really did hurt
22:27 < mnemoc> :)
22:27 < mnemoc> BrainF*ck was the same?
22:27 < daja77> it is tomorrow
22:29 < blindcoder> oh, you're badmouthing clifford :)
22:29 < netrunner> :( /me missed rock presentation, to old schedule
22:29 < daja77> blindcoder: huh?
22:30 < blindcoder> daja77: nothing :)
22:30 < daja77> hehe
22:33 < netrunner> blindcoder: I have a new ip 82.130.44.244 
22:33 < blindcoder> netrunner: why that?
22:34 < daja77> the other one was old and used *ggg*
22:35 < blindcoder> I see, I see
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23:05 < LocalHero> why does perl run so slow on rocklinux? Is it because its a never version. My old system had perl 5.0x or something and when running perl script it just ran. Now it takes 5 seconds before perl does anything :(
23:06 < LocalHero> Is there any way to accelerate that?
23:12 * netrunner has no problem running perl ...
23:12 < netrunner> LocalHero: maybe your build had optimization problems with gcc and perl
23:18 < LocalHero> netrunner, hmm, maybe, Some people at #perl says that it might not be a problem at al. Just that the scripts i run "spamassassin" is slow :(
23:20 < blindcoder> spamassassin is fskcing slow
23:21 < blindcoder> use spamd and spamc for performance
23:21 < LocalHero> blindcoder, oki, hmm, but i have configured it for evolution and i need the -e -P options (i think). 
23:30 < LocalHero> blindcoder, hmm, it hardly give me any performance boost when running spamc :(
23:33 < blindcoder> it usually ran around 50 times faster here
23:33 < LocalHero> blindcoder, hmm, oki, better check :).. Where are all those spams when you need them :)
23:33 < blindcoder> if your MTA is down and you getseveral 100 mails and have to run htem through spamassassin your load _will_ skyrocket
23:36 < LocalHero> blindcoder, oki, how do you run spamd and spamc? I run spamd -d. and uses evolution to filter through program spamc -c when downloading from pop server
23:39 < blindcoder> hmm... I use it through procmail... haven't ever used evolution or other graphical MUA/MTA combos
23:40 < LocalHero> blindcoder, hmm, it seams that spamd starts a new process for each spamc that connects to it :(
23:41 < blindcoder> that might very well be... accept() does something like that IIRC
23:41 < LocalHero> blindcoder, but then its almost the same as running spamassassin. Thats why it takes so long time :(
23:45 < blindcoder> no, spand only spawns processes, but spamassassin has to re-read all scan-rules with every new instance
23:46 < LocalHero> blindcoder, oki, then i get some advantages. Maybe i should use procmail insted?
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23:47 < blindcoder> I don't know if evolution can handle mbox files
23:47 < LocalHero> Ahh, well thats enough for tonight.. n8
23:47 < LocalHero> blindcoder, yupp it can :)
23:47 < LocalHero> cya blindcoder
23:47 < blindcoder> ok
23:47 < blindcoder> baba
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