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00:09 < rxr> evangineer: no problem
00:10 < rxr> n8 all
00:31 < cytrinox> gn8
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09:03 < rxr> cu
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10:44 < blindcoder> moin
10:46 < netrunner> moin, 2
10:48 * blindcoder preparing LVP V0.2.3 for release, then starting with initrd
10:58 < blindcoder> rxr: could you please add -rc3 and -rc4 to freshmeat? the latest there is still -rc2...
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11:17 < netrunne1> *g* http://www.ipv6-net.org/df20030604.jpg
11:18 < blindcoder> muahaha
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11:35 < puzzled> netrunne1: very funny
12:01 < daja77> moin
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12:02 < netrunne1> er ist da, ja :)
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12:03 < daja77> sort of ...
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12:57 < dev0> Is the rc3 drock build in incoming somewhat usable/stable?
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13:45 < mnemoc> re
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13:50 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
13:50 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
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14:30 < rolla> brrr cold
14:31 < daja77> ack
14:32 < daja77> -12 degrees yesterday
14:33 < daja77> do you have snow?
14:34 < rolla> -15 here
14:38 < mnemoc> 37ºC yesterday ;)
14:39 < rolla> mnemoc: you suck ;) but it is your summer
14:39 < daja77> http://www.frauconrad.mynetcologne.de/Togo/zahnarzt.JPG
14:40 < mnemoc> the coldest (?) i can get here is -5 :) ... but most winter is around 3-5ºC
14:40 < daja77> as he said you suck :p
14:40 < mnemoc> =)
14:40 < rolla> daja77: is that what I think is says
14:40 < daja77> yes
14:41 < rolla> crazy
14:41 < daja77> indeed
14:43 < rolla> daja77: I just switched my new server to 2.6.1 kernel :0
14:45 < daja77> hehe, and you like it?
14:46 < mnemoc> i don't like kernels x.y.z where z<10
14:46 < rolla> daja77: it is great better than I could have hoped
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15:00 < LocalHero> Hi all
15:10 < mnemoc> hi LocalHero 
15:11 < LocalHero> mnemoc, hi. Finaly some people here :)
15:11 < LocalHero> mnemoc, do you know the status of rock-x86-64?
15:11 < daja77> only mnemoc :D
15:11 < LocalHero> daja77, hi :).. Ahh, people are hiding :)
15:12 < mnemoc> no idea LocalHero 
15:12 < LocalHero> mnemoc, Ahh, oki, im planing on upgrading my computer and the 3000+ looks nice and cheap
15:13 < mnemoc> define cheap
15:13 < daja77> ask rxr, he did x86-64 hacking on 20c3
15:13 < LocalHero> mnemoc, hehe, hmm, well, it use to cost $800, now its about 200 :).. For the cpu ofcourse :)
15:14 < mnemoc> 200 euros?
15:14 < LocalHero> mnemoc, ups, i mean that
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15:26 < netrunner> modprobe hid: cannot locate module keybdev which is required for hid
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15:27 < netrunner> I think we should modularize keybdev, no?
15:37 < mnemoc> i think we should move discussions to the ML ;-)
15:38 < daja77> no
15:39 < mnemoc> daja77: no to mine or his?
15:39 < daja77> netrunner
15:40 < mnemoc> :-)
15:40 < netrunner> daja77: so what? modprobe hid fails. insmod goes ok, but can that be expected behaviour?
15:41 < daja77> 5hid should be compiled in ...
15:41 < daja77> -5
15:43 < netrunner> daja77: or that way :)
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16:59 * mnemoc hates 28.8. modems even more
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18:10 < batok> I need some help on installing drock 2 rc3, anybody?
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18:26 < cytrinox`> moin
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18:36 < snyk3> anyone alive?
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19:41 < rolla> re all
19:41 < daja77> wb
19:55 < mnemoc> re * :)
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20:00 < rolla> hallo mnemoc 
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20:04 < daja77> greeting mnemoc in german is somehow mean :)
20:04 < mnemoc> hallo rolla :)
20:05 < rolla> daja77: he understands one cannot be in here for too long without picking up some german
20:05 < daja77> hehe
20:06 < daja77> it will break him :D
20:06 < rolla> okay fine
20:06 < rolla> ola mnemoc ;)
20:08 < mnemoc> i'll have to study your dialect ;)
20:08 < daja77> saxonian, beware!
20:10 < rolla> ouch
20:10 < rolla> mnemoc: how do you say hello in spainish?
20:10 < mnemoc> :)
20:10 < mnemoc> hola
20:12 < rolla> ah guten tag!
20:14 < mnemoc> buenos dias!
20:15 < mnemoc> but we say that only before midday
20:15 < rolla> ach so
20:34 < netrunner> grias di mnemoc ;)
20:34 * netrunner throwing in some bavarian ;)
20:35 < daja77> babarian ...
20:35 < rolla> there is nothing wrong with bavarian
20:35 < daja77> rolla: ?
20:35 < rolla> ja?
20:36 < rolla> I liked bavaria alot when I was there.
20:36 < daja77> ah i got it, you like it when people are saying god to you *ggg*
20:36 < mnemoc> the only bavarian thing i know is bmw :)
20:37 < rolla> daja77: god?
20:37 < daja77> their greeting
20:37 < daja77> grüss gott
20:37 < rolla> :0
20:37 < rolla> I liked that area the best out of all of germany
20:37 < rolla> mnemoc: I own 3 BMW's ;)
20:38 < daja77> that cars who loose in winter ...
20:38 < mnemoc> :)
20:38 < mnemoc> rolla rescue them :)
20:38 < daja77> which
20:39 < rolla> loose in winter? you ever hear of snow tyres?
20:39 < rolla> daja77: I have had no issue with them in snow rain or mud
20:40 < daja77> sure i have snow tyres myself
20:40 < daja77> just see bmw ppl loose here
20:40 < daja77> maybe they haven't heard of it
20:41 < rolla> very true
20:41 < rolla> people are dumb they think that summer tyres work just fine in winter
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20:41 < daja77> especially here
20:41 < rolla> many people here have no clue they would buy another car just for windter
20:41 < daja77> lol
20:42 < rolla> how dumb for 2K you could have snow tyres and rims that you put on for winter
20:42 < rolla> daja77: those people need to ride the bus
20:42 < LocalHero> Hi all
20:42 < rolla> hallo LocalHero 
20:42 < daja77> rolla: full ack
20:42 < LocalHero> rolla, whazzup?
20:42 < rolla> working
20:42 < rolla> complaining about dumb people across the world
20:43 < LocalHero> rxr, Hi, i heard that you have been playing around with x86-64. Whats the status of rock and it?
20:43 < daja77> rolla is in general ranting mode
20:43 < rolla> always
20:43 < LocalHero> rolla, ahh, people that isnt compatible with snow
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20:44 < rolla> welcome back
20:44 < LocalHero> ahh. wrong button :)
20:44 < rolla> ha h a
20:44 < daja77> *ggg*
20:45 < mnemoc> 2.4.23 things are only explotable locally?
20:45 < daja77> yep
20:45 < mnemoc> thanks :)
20:49 < mnemoc> anyone has any *old* driver disk for isa ne2000 cards?
20:49 < daja77> for dos?
20:49 < mnemoc> yep
20:49 < mnemoc> well... for changeing irq 
20:49 < daja77> dunno maybe
20:49 < mnemoc> and loading bin to rom
20:50 < mnemoc> =)
20:54 < LocalHero> mnemoc, what chip is it?
20:54 < LocalHero> mnemoc realtec?
20:55 < mnemoc> no idea.. but they are from 1995 :)
20:55 < mnemoc> i'll have to open them but i can'0t do that now
20:56 < LocalHero> mnemoc, oki, try rset.exe. I hade some cards that used it
20:56 < mnemoc> google?
20:57 < LocalHero> mnemoc, hmm, i have it here. Just have to figure out how to send it to you
20:58 < mnemoc> dcc, memail?
20:59 < mnemoc> email*
20:59 < LocalHero> mnemoc, oki i will mail it. This irc client doesnt seams to have dcc
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21:01 < LocalHero> mnemoc, oki, there you go. Hope it works :)
21:01 < mnemoc> thanks a lot :)
21:01 < LocalHero> mnemoc, your card could be any type. ne2000 is just a standard for cards not a type :(
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21:04 < darix> moin
21:04 < SMP> well, NE2000 _used_ to be a specific card type before other manufacturers started making cards more or less compatible to it
21:04 < LocalHero> SMP, yepp, at first. But that was a short era
21:05 < SMP> but I doubt mnemoc has an original NE2000 running ;)
21:05 < fake> Novell ?
21:05 < daja77> hi fake!
21:05 < fake> hi ;)
21:05 < LocalHero> I think my first ethernet card was an original ne2000 card.. It got an novell tag on it :)
21:06 < darix> how bigs is a svn checkout from trunk?
21:07 < LocalHero> darix, about 113mb uncompressed
21:08 < mnemoc> ?
21:08 < mnemoc> 2M compressed
21:08 < mnemoc> lot of text :)
21:08 < LocalHero> mnemoc, df -h shows 113.. Hmm, nice compress level :)
21:10 < daja77> df -h is the wrong tool ...
21:11 < darix> can someone du?
21:11 < mnemoc> ]# du -h rock-2124.tar.bz2
21:11 < mnemoc> 2.2M    rock-2124.tar.bz2
21:12 < darix> hmm 
21:12 < darix> and unpacked?
21:12 < mnemoc> # du -sh rock-trunk/
21:12 < mnemoc> 92M     rock-trunk
21:13 < darix> thanks
21:13 < LocalHero> mnemoc, 92M? Mine is 113?
21:13 < mnemoc> darix: i can mail it if you want ;)
21:13 < darix> mnemoc: ill check it out manually
21:14 < mnemoc> LocalHero: no download, src, config there
21:14 < mnemoc> darix: up to you ;)
21:14 < mnemoc> it's my tree to diff
21:14 < LocalHero> mnemoc, nope
21:14 < mnemoc> nope what?
21:15 < LocalHero> mnemoc, no download, src, etc :)
21:16 < LocalHero> mnemoc, did rset work by the way?
21:16 < mnemoc> i'll know in the night :)
21:17 < LocalHero> mnemoc, haha ok :)
21:17 < fake> /me testing crossbuilds for/on mips
21:26 < LocalHero> got to go, cya
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21:31 < darix> hmm FYI: my co from trunk is already bigger than 133mb. and not even finished
21:32 * mnemoc don't know subversion internals
21:32 < darix> it doesnt really matter there is enough space
21:32 < darix> hopefully ;)
21:34 < darix> du -sk rocklinux
21:34 < darix> 159580  rocklinux
21:35 < daja77> rxr: ping
21:35 < mnemoc> can you paste your svn co line?
21:36 < darix> svn co http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk/
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21:49 < mnemoc> how `sm send will send?
21:50 < daja77> how do you like sm?
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21:52 < mnemoc> roasted :)
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22:13 < rolla> re
22:13 < daja77> wb
22:14 < rolla> thanks
22:14 < rolla> damn netsplits
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22:34 < batok> I ve just installed drock rc3
22:35 < batok> but kernel booting freezes apparently when doing usb stuff
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22:40 < daja77> == 21:46:48 =[9]=> Building daja77/antiword [0.35 2.0.0-rc5]
22:40 < daja77> what hw?
22:41 < batok> pentium III 1GHz, 256 Mb RAM 40 GB HD
22:42 < mnemoc> why usb s.th is built in by default?
22:42 < daja77> to have usb keyboards and mice working before the userland is up
22:43 < batok> the last line is : usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1, when booting
22:43 < batok> then nothing happens
22:43 < mnemoc> daja77: but rockplug?
22:45 < daja77> what about it
22:46 < mnemoc> can't rock plug load that usb kb?
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22:48 < daja77> it could be too late
22:50 < daja77> what if rocklplug isn't executed
22:50 < mnemoc> i agree to have fat kernels for install/rescue disks... but default?..
22:50 < mnemoc> if rockplug is not included is user responsability
22:57 < fake> isn't hid and two *hci's in the default kernel?
22:58 < fake> err...
22:58 < fake> forget that redundant comment
22:58 < fake> ;)
22:59 < daja77> hehe
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23:09 < daja77> *grml* why can't ppl not create easy makefiles instead of crap
23:10 < mnemoc> clip has make$foo.sh s.ths instead of makefiles
23:11 < daja77> antiword has makefiles, but the install target is $censored
23:11 < mnemoc> i have some make_install.patch in my pacakges ;)
23:14 < daja77> could do so, but that sucks, will use hooks instead
23:21 < rxr> daja77: makeinstopt="$makeopt $censored" is enougth for a strange install target ...
23:21 < rxr> re
23:21 < daja77> just did sth like that
23:21 < daja77> still hate it
23:22 < mnemoc> have you seen pacakge with 'make sense' isntead of 'make all'?
23:23 < daja77> lol
23:26 < daja77> rxr: do you have a minute?
23:28 < mnemoc> err... !> No file to patch.  Skipping patch.
23:28 < mnemoc> !> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored
23:28 < mnemoc> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-kiss.out -> 1-kiss.err
23:29 < daja77> should i leave out greetings and stuff in the patch mail?
23:30 < mnemoc> greetings are good :)
23:31 < rxr> daja77: only a very short minute
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23:34 < mnemoc> rxr: fix patchlevel for package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_kiss.patch needs a [PATCH?
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23:35 < jsaw> hi all
23:36 < daja77> hi jsaw!
23:36 < jsaw> hi daja77 
23:36 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
23:36 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
23:37 < jsaw> who's using ppp{,oe} here?
23:37 < mnemoc> you, and if you send me your patches , me.
23:37 < jsaw> patches?
23:38 < mnemoc> i hoped you had rocknet modules coded :)
23:38 < jsaw> yeah I have, but I'm not sure how to finally do it...
23:38 < jsaw> ppp has so many options...
23:38 < mnemoc> do a minimal
23:38 < jsaw> should all be directly supported by rocknet? or
23:39 < jsaw> simply "ppp-option ...."
23:39 < jsaw> ?
23:39 < jsaw> so minimal would be "ppp-option ..."
23:40 < mnemoc> user, password, dial, ondemand and ppp-option?
23:40 < jsaw> next question: currently my impl. creates a default /etc/ppp/option.$if file when pppoe is first, okay or not?
23:41 < mnemoc> etc/conf/ppp.$if?
23:41 < rxr> jsaw: jups - but maybe better option.rocknet.$if 
23:41 < jsaw> hi rxr!
23:41 < blindcoder> hmm... I liked rp-pppoe's adsl-setup...
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23:41 < mnemoc> hi rxr, blindcoder 
23:41 < blindcoder> hi all
23:41 < jsaw> hi blindcoder
23:42 < mnemoc> rocknet can be 100% rp-free
23:42 < jsaw> (besides that the ppp guys copied the module)
23:42 < blindcoder> why should we use something home-baked if there's already a 100% working tool in rp-pppoe itself?
23:43 < blindcoder> personally, I'd be fine with "Configure pppoe" and then some "auto ppp0" hack
23:43 < mnemoc> to save space?
23:44 < blindcoder> rp-pppoe doesn't exactly need megabytes...
23:44 < blindcoder> besides, saving space is optional
23:44 < mnemoc> force the use of an additional package is not rocky
23:44 < jsaw> rxr: btw, can you somehow get rocknet to read lines, that contain '#' in the middle (like the user for "xxxyyy#zzz@t-online") ? Sth. like s,(^|[ \t]#.*),, ?
23:45 < mnemoc> but ppp can add it's module and rp-pppoe it's own
23:45 < jsaw> they are identical
23:46 < mnemoc> better :)
23:46 * mnemoc never used rp-thing
23:46 < jsaw> ppp with rp-pppoe.so is kernel based pppoe, the scripts that rp-pppoe IIRC are not however
23:46 * blindcoder never used anything else than rp-pppoe
23:48 < blindcoder> just thought that rp-pppoe based would be easy to maintain.
23:49 < blindcoder> whilst writing our own config-wrapper for ppp will be quite some workload
23:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: zzz is the password?
23:50 < rxr> mnemoc: no - and ID addition
23:51 < jsaw> mnemoc: (german telekom, don't ask further...)
23:51 < mnemoc> :\
23:51 < rxr> jsaw: yes, we can tweak rocknet to honour the "#" in the middle with s.th. like the expression above
23:51 < rxr> cu all tomorrow
23:52 < mnemoc> cu rxr
23:52 < jsaw> cu rxr!
23:52 < daja77> cu rxr
23:53 < blindcoder> s,^(.*".*"|.*)#.*$,\1,
23:53 < blindcoder> would probably work
23:53 < daja77> n8 you all
23:53 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
23:53 < blindcoder> although it comes from my twisted mind in the middle of the night :)
23:53 < jsaw> good night daja77 
23:53 < blindcoder> g'night rxr, daja77 
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