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--- Log opened Thu Jan 08 00:00:47 2004 00:13 -!- jbalint [~jess@205.144.62.168] has quit ("be back around") 00:23 -!- janos [~muhu@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:34 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has quit (Client Quit) 00:34 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:34 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:34 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:34 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:35 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:38 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:38 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux 00:39 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 01:56 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("leaving") 02:28 < rolla> re 02:48 < SMP> /wii rolla 02:49 < SMP> gnn 02:58 < rolla> :) 03:05 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M491P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:11 -!- nookie [~nookie@M364P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:56 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD9506B7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:57 < jsaw> re 04:19 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@pD9506988.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:27 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD9506B7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:19 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.221.80.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:31 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.248.121.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:01 < owl> moin 06:29 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip12-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 06:29 < MadTux> re 06:30 < owl> hi Miguel! 06:30 < MadTux> Good day Sandra :) 06:31 < owl> how are you? 06:32 < MadTux> Great thanks for asking, and yourself? 06:33 < owl> i'm so fscking tired, nobody can imagine that 06:40 < MadTux> i though feelings were only for the weak mortals. 06:42 < owl> hm. i'm just mortal :p 06:45 < MadTux> :) 06:57 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Lorini, cchamilt, mnemoc, SMP 06:57 < owl> <- falls down from chair 06:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lorini 06:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc 06:58 < MadTux> owl, u ok? 06:59 < owl> nah. awake :p 07:03 -!- SMP_ [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:03 < MadTux> :) 07:03 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-205.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:22 < MadTux> gn8 owly 07:23 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip12-62.ct.co.cr] has quit ("Leaving") 07:24 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-222.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:27 < owl> gn8 Mike 08:02 < rxr> re 08:06 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-205.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:07 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-064.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:13 < daja77> i don't get it 08:13 < daja77> i selected a generic build 08:14 < daja77> Error logs from generic-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert: 08:14 < daja77> [5] 0 base/libdaemon [5] 0 base/ifplugd 08:14 < daja77> 263 builds total, 261 completed fine, 2 with errors. 08:14 < daja77> why has generic only 263 builds *grmpf* 08:15 < owl> hi daja77 08:15 < daja77> hi owl 08:16 < daja77> args /me is screwed, selected minimal package selection >_< 08:17 < rxr> hi daja77 owl 08:18 < owl> hi rxr 08:18 < owl> oh. sorry... didn't saw ya 08:19 < daja77> ok saved minimal for errlogs, continuing with real generic 08:20 < daja77> <- off to university now 08:21 < daja77> hehe at least my build finished before rolla ^^ 08:38 < owl> booook. someone here? 08:49 * rxr 08:51 < rxr> > Memo Confirms IBM Move To Linux Desktop? 08:52 < rxr> > Our chairman has challenged the IT organization, and indeed all of IBM, to move to a Linux based desktop before the end of 2005. 08:53 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivep5l.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 < owl> O_o 09:14 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 09:14 < link_> hi all 09:15 < link_> hm, does anyone know with wich package libgdbm.so.2 is delivered? 09:17 < rxr> link_: gdbm 09:19 < link_> thank you =/ i had could thought on myself =/ 09:21 < owl> hi link_ 09:21 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-53.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:21 < holyolli> en 09:21 < holyolli> moin even 09:22 < link_> hi holyolli 09:23 < holyolli> hi link 09:52 < link_> i'm installing novell nterprice services *g* i hate it already ;) 09:53 < link_> it seems to do strange things 09:53 < holyolli> *g* 09:55 < owl> hi holyolli 09:55 < holyolli> huhu owl 09:55 < link_> hi owl 09:56 < rxr> arrrghghghghghghg 09:56 < rxr> freshmeat crap: 09:56 < rxr> We encountered an error 09:56 < rxr> Your changes summary is 671 characters long. This exceeds the fixed limit of 600 characters. Please be a little more brief about your changes as we have to fit them on the frontpage along with all the other releases. 09:56 < rxr> my nice 71 chars I have to delete now ... 09:57 < owl> rxr: when (voraussichtlich) will be there a 2.0? 09:57 < holyolli> hm. due to the fact that's it is a longer time ago...in order to send patches, just the patch on the ml? 09:58 < link_> rxr: delete the 6.45 times: 'i hate bill' 09:58 < holyolli> or any other special procedure? 09:58 < rxr> owl: half a year ago ? 09:58 < owl> hoeh??? 2.0-stable? 09:58 < rxr> holyolli: sure - or to me - whatever you prefer 09:59 < holyolli> ok 09:59 < holyolli> <-- is now finally back and wrote all his essential exams...so after a long time i have some spare time for rock :) 09:59 < rxr> holyolli: we will have an automated system soon - but this is an free-choice thing - patches can always be send in normal format 09:59 < holyolli> ok 09:59 < rxr> owl: planned yes - in real-world not yet 10:00 < rxr> owl: I estimate some more tiny weeks 10:00 < rxr> maybe in Feb ... 10:00 < owl> hm. ok 10:00 < owl> good luck 10:00 < rxr> -rc5 this week 10:00 < rxr> thereafter follows stable 10:01 < owl> oki. so updating svn will show me then, when it's stable? 10:02 < rxr> owl: what do you mean ? 10:03 < owl> when i update the source via svn, then execute ./scripts/Config i will see how it's called (rc-5, stable), or not? 10:03 < rxr> jups 10:03 < rxr> but final will just show 2.0.0 10:03 < rxr> nothing attached 10:03 < owl> oki. cool. 10:08 < holyolli> rxr: i errously didn't send the filename with the patch...want it to resend? 10:10 < jsaw_> re 10:10 < holyolli> hi jsaw_ 10:11 < owl> hi jsaw_ ! 10:11 < jsaw_> rxr: could you give a reason, why the gtk-python stuff does not get in? We install python packages in a non-default location, SO, the build environment should handle it. 10:11 < jsaw_> hi holyolli 10:15 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw 10:17 < rxr> jsaw: take a look into SVN 10:17 < rxr> I fixed the pygtk profile.d "plugin" 10:17 < rxr> dia compiles now - here in my ref build 10:17 < jsaw> is profile.d read inside the build environment? I didn't know that. 10:18 < rxr> we should not hardcode so much configs - but let the packages provide (propagate) it's configuration settings 10:19 < jsaw> yeah yeah. I simply didn't know, that the profile.d settings are also handled inside the build env. 10:19 < rxr> in 2.1 we even might remove the auto-build magic hardcoded - and let e.g. autoconf profide the "configure", make the normal Makefile, xfree86 the xmkmf, perl the xyz.pl, python the setup.py magic in parse-config or similar modular fashion 10:19 < rxr> (idea we had at CCC ...) 10:19 < jsaw> oh 10:20 < rxr> provide even ... 10:20 < rxr> ok - our homepage and freshmeat is now spammed with ROCK news ... 10:20 < jsaw> rxr: what's about the ppp stuff, is it far from getting accepted? (besides that it definitely needs some polishing) 10:20 < rxr> looks good 10:21 < jsaw> so I'll send a patch for sysfiles tonight, ok? 10:21 < rxr> I have only taken a brief look yet - but it seems you can remove the explicit pppoe keyword (the one without other args in the name) and use the "is_first" magic as done in 10:22 < rxr> e.g. /etc/network/modules/iptables.sh 10:22 < jsaw> rxr: I have to say that I don't understand the rocknet magic to well, but I'll try. :) 10:23 -!- Spike [~Spike@pD9E0A486.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:23 * jsaw off to work, back in a couple of minutes... 10:23 < Spike> hello @all 10:24 < owl> hi Spike 10:24 < owl> .oO(vampires ...?) 10:26 < rxr> me away, too 10:26 < rxr> cu all 10:26 < holyolli> cu rxr 10:26 < owl> bye rxr 10:27 < Spike> i have a problem with compiling rock-2.0.0-rc2 on the ibook G3: glibc stops with error: undefined reference to '__quos' ... to '__divss' .. to '_mull' ... 10:27 < Spike> has anyone an idea of solving the problem :)? 10:28 * holyolli not :( 10:29 < netrunner> Spike: why do you compile -rc2 and not the latest rc4? 10:29 < owl> hmmm. might it would help to update the source to rc5? 10:29 < owl> latest rc4? O_o *has rc5 on HD) 10:30 < Spike> i have not realized that rc5 is out :) 10:30 < netrunner> owl: that is not really rc5 but the svn HEAD. 10:30 < owl> hmm. ok. 10:30 < Spike> i will try to compile the rc4 thanx 10:31 < netrunner> Spike: owl is somehow right, you could just update to the very last version. 10:31 * netrunner hiring beta testers ;) 10:31 < owl> *lol* 10:31 < holyolli> hehe 10:32 < owl> .oO(hiring huebi would be amuesing *g*) 10:56 < holyolli> is huebi still alive? ;-) 10:57 < owl> *shruks* don't know, but i think so, at least he is appearing sometimes (very, very seldom) 11:05 -!- nookie [~nookie@M500P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:06 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:10 < jsaw> re 11:11 < owl> wb 11:12 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802648.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:12 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@dsl-213-023-062-062.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:14 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802E95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:21 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M491P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:26 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivep5l.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:27 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-082-104.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:44 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uiven5a.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 12:01 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F694.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:02 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FDB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 12:02 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 12:03 < owl> hi blindcoder 12:16 < jsaw> rxr: esden/povray35 error is rather strange. The cksum is back to pre-1873 rev. 12:16 < jsaw> rxr: sirkull/clamav: the correct download location is https://download/sf.net/clamav/ 12:16 < jsaw> rxr: sorry, can't send email from work to ml 12:18 < jsaw> rxr: ohoh, s,download/,download., 12:19 < owl> someone has expierience with "schaukampfschwerten"? 12:19 < owl> is it possible to make them sharp? 12:27 < owl> frlrfsystemdiagnosticsprocessstartinfoclassredirectstandardoutputtopic.asp << WAAAH! what a sick name 13:16 -!- Spike [~Spike@pD9E0A486.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Verlassend") 13:20 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 13:21 < owl> hi aktnot 13:21 < daja77> re 13:22 < owl> wb daja77 13:22 < holyolli> huhu daja77 13:23 < daja77> hi holyolli 13:26 < mnemoc> moin #rl 13:26 < holyolli> moin mnemoc 13:26 < owl> moin mnemoc 13:27 < daja77> hi mnemoc *hug* 13:27 < mnemoc> hi holyolli, owl 13:27 * mnemoc squeeze daja77 13:28 * daja77 is now know as halfsizedaja :D 13:28 < mnemoc> :) 13:30 < netrunne1> moin halfsizedaja 13:30 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 13:30 < daja77> moin netrunner 13:30 * netrunner tries for 3 days to write a report about ids and has just fiinished the second paragraph :) 13:34 < mnemoc> have you slept in these 3 days? 13:36 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has left #rocklinux () 13:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: no, played alpha centauri :) 13:42 < daja77> on linux? 13:42 < netrunner> jup 13:43 < netrunner> what's better, cifs or afs? 13:45 < mnemoc> ehm... 13:45 < mnemoc> afs is too cache dependent 13:46 < mnemoc> if you have a properly sized cache afs is better 13:47 < mnemoc> but last time i used afs was on.. 1997 over irix 5.3 ;P 13:47 < mnemoc> and it sucked 13:47 < netrunner> mnemoc: I just stumbled again over my mail to the afs ml "Extremely newbie question" ... how emberassing google can be :) 13:49 < holyolli> netrunner: for what kind of application do you use afs? 13:49 < mnemoc> i usualy find my own mails when googleing :( 13:50 < owl> <-- off 13:50 < owl> bye 13:50 < mnemoc> bye owl 13:50 < holyolli> cu owl 13:50 < netrunner> holyolli: that was years ago, my task was to put everybody's home on the afs server so we could do flexible office. 13:50 < netrunner> holyolli: worked great :) 13:50 < holyolli> ah 13:51 < holyolli> i only got used to afs in the university as a user...my question is because i'm still looking for a fs to sync my laptop with my (local) homedir 13:51 < holyolli> and with the feature of online (connected) and offline work 13:51 < mnemoc> holyolli: coda 13:51 < holyolli> so something like intermezzo and codafs 13:52 < holyolli> but i don't know how stable they are..all ml's and webpages say, it's still beta 13:52 < holyolli> mnemoc: have you tried it? 13:53 < mnemoc> holyolli: nope :) 13:54 < holyolli> .oO(that's what everybody say... "try coda, but i never tried it for myself" ;-))) 13:54 < mnemoc> i have heard very good comments, but daja hates it 13:54 < holyolli> *g* 13:54 < holyolli> daja77: why? 13:54 < mnemoc> :) 13:54 < daja77> tell you later, have to work now 13:54 < holyolli> ok 13:55 < mnemoc> daja77: work damn rt-slave!! work!! 13:55 < holyolli> rt?? 13:55 < holyolli> .oO(radio telephony?) 13:55 < mnemoc> realtime linux 13:55 < holyolli> ah *fg* 14:02 < link_> re 14:03 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9005735.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:07 < holyolli> @#$&*% rpm 14:07 < holyolli> <-- is now away for a longer time...rpm just ignored the prefix and killed my glibc on my alpha... 14:07 < holyolli> fuck 14:08 < mnemoc> *R*pm 14:10 < holyolli> cya in some days.. ;-) 14:10 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-53.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("Leaving") 14:13 * mnemoc @ 28.8 will hang up :-\ cu 14:13 < netrunner> cu mnemoc 14:17 < praenti> hi 14:18 -!- k3t__ [k3t@pD9005742.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:20 < cytrinox`> moin 14:32 -!- k3t_ is now known as trekkie3k 14:37 < rxr> re 14:41 < mnemoc> wb rxr 14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: You don't have permission to access /products/rock-handbook/ps+pdf/rock-handbook.pdf on this server 14:49 < blindcoder> moin 14:51 < rolla> re 14:53 < blindcoder> snail mail from .de to .cr is expensive >_< 15:04 < rolla> yup 15:04 < rolla> blindcoder: you just figured that out 15:06 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, blindcoder, cytrinox` 15:08 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F694.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:09 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802648.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:23 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.248.121.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:33 < daja77> grml* commercial sw under linux sucks like hell 15:34 < netrunner> .o( daja77 uses commercial ftp client? ) 15:34 < daja77> no binary only kernel drivers 15:35 < daja77> those idiots compiled them with gcc2 >_< 15:35 < blindcoder> which one? 15:35 < daja77> 2.95 sth, don't care my kernel is on gcc 3.2 15:36 < blindcoder> I mean what module :) 15:36 < daja77> sorcus pci card 15:36 < netrunner> shouldn't that be no problem? 15:36 < daja77> it is kernel won't load such modules 15:36 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-064.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 15:37 < daja77> the developer declared me on the phone that gcc2 is recommended for kernel and stuff 15:37 < daja77> ah and yes he was using debian hrhr 15:37 < daja77> he once tried gcc 3.0 and it crashed $long_list_of_curses 15:38 < daja77> he couldn't believe when i told him his system is old 15:38 < netrunner> hehe, no debianist will :) 15:38 < daja77> they suck >_< 15:39 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-239.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:39 < holyolli> re 15:39 * daja77 now recompiling with gcc2, but i guess this is just the start of a nightmare 15:41 < daja77> i bet they compiled their binary only lib with gcc2 too hrhr 15:45 < rolla> daja77: my build died :( 15:46 < daja77> mine completed, cos i selected minimal pkg selection :( 15:46 < rolla> well I tried that 15:46 < daja77> why it died? 15:46 < rolla> not sure yet 15:46 < daja77> machine freeze? 15:47 < rolla> nope 15:47 < daja77> good 15:48 < rolla> Creating 2nd stage filesystem: 15:48 < rolla> -> Extracting the packages archives. 15:48 < rolla> -> `- Extracting 00-dirtree.tar.bz2 ... 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/ar: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/ar': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/as: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/as': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/ld: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/ld': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/nm: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/nm': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/s2p: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/s2p': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/pstruct: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pstruct': No such file or dir 15:48 < rolla> ectory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/c2ph: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pstruct': No such file or direct 15:48 < rolla> ory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/perl: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/perl': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/psed: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/s2p': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/zcmp: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/zcmp': No such file or directory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/bzegrep: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/bzegrep': No such file or dir 15:48 < rolla> ectory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/bzfgrep: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/bzegrep': No such file or dir 15:48 < rolla> ectory 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/bzcmp: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/bzcmp': No such file or directo 15:48 < rolla> ry 15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/pgawk: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pgawk': No such file or directo 15:48 < rolla> ry 15:49 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/pgrep: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pgrep': No such file or directo 15:49 < rolla> ry 15:49 < rolla> crap 15:49 < rolla> sorry for the flood 15:49 < rolla> I ment only to grab first line 15:49 * daja77 hits rolla 15:49 < rolla> :( 15:56 < rolla> crap 15:56 < daja77> hm? 15:56 < rolla> I wish I knew why it broke 15:58 < daja77> wow download at work is fast for the first time 16:00 < daja77> calculating cksum takes longer than download 16:18 < daja77> scripts/Download is broken 16:27 < mnemoc> re 16:27 < mnemoc> any Makefile guru? 16:28 < mnemoc> daja77: chksum uncompress, that can be really slow sometimes 16:35 < daja77> i am trying to download a .tgz file, download tries to download a .tbz2 file 16:46 < jsaw> me disappears some seminar room, cu l8r 16:46 < daja77> have fun 16:47 < rolla> bye3 16:47 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:47 < daja77> Lorini is back! 16:47 < holyolli> huhu Lorini 16:49 -!- nookie [~nookie@M500P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:49 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:49 < daja77> <- just started generic build with rt extension 16:52 * blindcoder playing some Star Ocean EX 2 16:54 -!- nookie [~nookie@M500P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:04 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 17:04 < holyolli> daja77: still @work? 17:05 < daja77> yeah still sucks 17:05 < daja77> they are dumber than i have imagined 17:05 < holyolli> *g* 17:06 < holyolli> you are working with some realtime-stuff? 17:10 < daja77> yeah i sort of fixed rtrock in the meantime 17:13 < daja77> recompiled the kernel with gcc2, just to see that their module for 2.4.20 was really compiled for 2.4.3 17:13 < daja77> suck, suck, suck 17:14 < daja77> boss wants their sources now ... 17:14 < holyolli> hm 17:15 < daja77> but of course commercial sw is of better quality *puke* 17:15 < holyolli> hehe 17:16 < daja77> at least i don't have to go to work tomorrow, they won't get it done until then 17:16 < netrunner> daja77: your problems have nothing to do with quality imho. it's a general problem of pushing biary only in a open source world. 17:16 < daja77> ack 17:16 < daja77> i want src 17:17 < netrunner> daja77: you addict :) 17:17 < daja77> have to patch the driver for devfs support anyway *eg* 17:18 * netrunner -> uni 17:18 < daja77> this is the problem of win* idiots pushing binaries to a platform they hardly understood 17:20 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uiven5a.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit (Operation timed out) 17:22 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivek34.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:26 -!- LSD_user [~drakox15@sanpedro-a276.racsa.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 < daja77> O_o 17:28 < daja77> i want some too ... 17:28 < holyolli> .oO(ich kann auch ohne drogen keinen spass haben... ;-) 17:29 < daja77> yep like working 17:31 < holyolli> *g* 17:47 < daja77> rofl @ rc names 17:50 * daja77 missing the pcmcia update in rc4 :( 17:56 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivek34.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 18:00 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has quit ("Lost terminal") 18:18 < rxr> re 18:18 < daja77> wb rxr 18:18 < holyolli> hi rxr 18:21 -!- LSD_user [~drakox15@sanpedro-a276.racsa.co.cr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:21 < daja77> wee linux24 ready 18:23 < daja77> cool patching 2.4.24-rock with rthal patch works 18:36 * daja77 goin home cu 18:38 < holyolli> cu daja77 18:38 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has left #rocklinux ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 18:50 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2inig3i.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 18:57 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522790.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:01 < rxr> cu 19:02 < mnemoc> cu rxr 19:13 -!- nookie [~nookie@M500P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:15 < mnemoc> G* ppl should read this: https://aegis.sourceforge.net/auug97.pdf 19:16 -!- nookie [~nookie@M265P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:16 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-064.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:30 < daja77> re 19:31 < rolla> re 19:32 < daja77> :) 19:58 < rolla> ah 19:59 < daja77> confusing windows again? 20:00 < rolla> nein 20:04 < owl> re 20:05 < owl> someone here? 20:05 < daja77> no :D 20:05 < owl> hehe :p well, might you have expierience with oaf? 20:06 < daja77> no 20:06 < owl> :-( not good 20:08 < owl> HRMPF. it's crap. did i already mention, that i'm _really hating_ gnome-crap? 20:08 < daja77> dunno, but guess that is obvious 20:09 < owl> hm? 20:09 < daja77> the gnome and crap thing ... 20:09 < owl> hrm. yeah... 20:09 -!- Gogle [~chatzilla@customer-148-233-85-130.uninet.net.mx] has joined #rocklinux 20:10 < owl> *hrhr* Gogle - at least not google (.com) 20:11 < owl> $ROCKCFG_PKG_GNOME14_CORE_PREFIX << which path is it? or better: prefix? i'm either blind or not able to read the Documentation 20:18 < owl> daja77: *terrorping* 20:18 * daja77 shocked 20:19 < owl> hehe. do you know by accident, what value ROCKCFG... (see above) has? i can't find it 20:19 < daja77> /opt/gnome14 perhaps? 20:20 < owl> hmm. ok. thx 20:27 < holyolli> re 20:30 < owl> wb holyolli 20:33 < owl> grmpf. i don't get this fscking oaf10 working - that can't be possible *gnarf* 20:34 -!- zenlunatic_ [~zen@user-2inigm5.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:40 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2inig3i.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:19 -!- zenlunatic_ [~zen@user-2inigm5.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:19 < holyolli> daja77? 21:21 < daja77> hm? 21:22 < holyolli> daja77: do you have some minutes to explain me, why codafs sucks in your point of view? 21:23 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 21:23 < daja77> because it is not supported at my university :D 21:24 < holyolli> *fg* 21:24 < holyolli> that's all? ;-) 21:25 < daja77> the reason for that is, that the can't transfer files in chunks, only complete file transfers, only files which fit into local cache can be transfered and stuff like that 21:26 < holyolli> hm. and what about stability and integrity? 21:28 < daja77> of coda? 21:29 < holyolli> jo 21:29 < daja77> dunno, haven't used it 21:29 < daja77> want to use openafs 21:29 < daja77> but build fails 21:29 < holyolli> i worked with it in sweden...it was neat 21:29 < holyolli> (but only as end-user) 21:30 < daja77> i mean but doesn't really fail, it gives a shared file error, for some strange reason flist_wrapper rule doesn't help ... 21:35 < daja77> mnemoc: interesting paper thx, will read it when being awake again ^^ 21:35 < netrunner> daja77: you have an openafs package? 21:36 < daja77> a .desc yess 21:36 < daja77> -s 21:37 < daja77> https://www.rocklinux.net:80/lurker/message/20031124.205551.086bdb19.html 21:39 < daja77> you should change IBM_Open_License to IBM_Public_License 21:42 < netrunner> daja77: applied, are those latest versions? 21:43 < daja77> it was latest when i sent it, just checking 21:43 < daja77> yep it still is 21:55 < nookie> Does anyone understands maths in here? 21:55 < nookie> A german person prefered ;) 21:55 < daja77> Lorini does :) 21:55 < nookie> Lorini isn't here 21:55 < daja77> .oO she will kill me 22:03 < rolla> see I oculd help but you want a german ;) 22:03 < daja77> and he got me ^^ 22:11 < rolla> :) 22:21 < jsaw> re 22:21 < jsaw> nookie: ein wenig 22:21 < daja77> sigh he is in in bed already 22:21 < daja77> me can't do it atm 22:23 < holyolli> n8 22:23 < jsaw> cu, holyolli 22:23 < holyolli> cu jsaw 22:23 < jsaw> (alpha running again?) 22:23 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-239.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("Leaving") 22:23 < jsaw> too fast... 22:25 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB843.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:26 < rolla> nookie: what are you doing that ugly math for? 22:27 < netrunner> nookie: what's your problem? 22:27 < daja77> 22:16 <nookie> ich geh schlafen 22:27 < daja77> 22:16 <nookie> schreib mirs bitte rein 22:27 < daja77> *gnarf* 22:27 < netrunner> ts 22:28 < jsaw> und die Frage? 22:28 < daja77> <- fscking tired 22:28 < tcr> moin all 22:28 < daja77> simplify that term ((1)/(4x²-1)+(1/1))/((x/1)-(x/2x+1)) 22:29 < rolla> daja77: I am out of school I don't have to think in such terms anymore :) 22:29 < daja77> hehe 22:32 < daja77> think i know how to do it, but explaining it ... 22:32 < jsaw> I guess the problem is 22:32 < jsaw> (4x^2-1) = (2x+1) (2x-1) 22:32 < jsaw> ? 22:32 < tcr> wait 22:33 < daja77> thought of that too 22:33 < tcr> 2 / (2x - 1) 22:34 < daja77> yep that's the solution, he wanted to know how to get it 22:34 < daja77> if you like to explain it to him in a query ... 22:34 < tcr> Who cares? There are computers exactly for *that* matter 22:35 < rolla> teachers that is who 22:35 < daja77> not in exams 22:35 < jsaw> I do 22:35 < daja77> jsaw: explaining it? 22:35 < jsaw> yes 22:35 < tcr> wait then i'll try by hand 22:35 < daja77> thank you very much 22:36 < jsaw> it's correct, tcr 22:37 < netrunner> !> Found shared files with other packages: 22:37 < netrunner> !> usr/bin/compile_et: e2fsprogs openafs 22:37 < daja77> i know, what i wanted to know is what that fscking filter rule doesn't work 22:38 < daja77> that's why it isn't applied yet to official tree btw 22:38 < daja77> >_< 22:40 < netrunner> dunno :/ 22:41 < daja77> it looks like the one in the manual/article 22:42 < daja77> interesting is that rh told me they don't have any compile_et program at all 22:42 < daja77> >_< 22:42 < daja77> rh users 22:42 * netrunner grepping other install_wrapper_filter occurrences and comparing ... 22:53 < netrunner> daja77: maybe the install_wrapper only applies to make install? I see here 22:53 < netrunner> /usr/src/rock-linux/src.openafs.1073601882.12821.3288227147/openafs-1.2.10a/src/pinstall/pinstall compile_et /usr/bin/compile_et 22:53 < daja77> damn it 22:53 < netrunner> maybe a inmake that renames the compile_et would do the trick? 22:54 < netrunner> (inmake is between make and make install, no?) 22:54 < daja77> well i will look into this again, maybe there is a configure option to switch this crap off 22:55 < daja77> but thx so far, guess that explains it 22:58 < netrunner> --program-transform-name=PROGRAM 22:58 < netrunner> run sed PROGRAM on installed program names 22:58 * netrunner refuses to work on it's report ;) 22:58 < daja77> ^^ 22:58 < jsaw> hehe 23:00 < netrunner> now building with var_append confopt " " "--program-transform-name='s,usr/bin/compile_et,usr/bin/compile_et_openafs,'" 23:00 < tcr> uh, finally got it by hand, too :) 23:00 < daja77> hehe 23:00 < jsaw> :))) 23:00 < tcr> jsaw, is there some mathematic rule you applied or did you just try? 23:01 < jsaw> a couple of rules: 1. common "nenner" (denominator?) for lower and upper part 23:01 < netrunner> tcr: arent there mathematical programs like mathematica that have a step by step solver with verbose mode? 23:02 < netrunner> I think there is one called euler for linux ... 23:02 < jsaw> 2. (a/b)/(c/d) = (a*d)/(b*c) "Kehrbruch multiplizieren" 23:02 * A-Tui is away: cenando 23:02 < daja77> that bit for upper and lower part, was what i made wrong in the first run 23:02 < tcr> jsaw, yeah i did that too :) 23:02 < jsaw> 3. (a+b)*(a-b) = a^2-b^2 23:02 < jsaw> Kuerzen, fertig. 23:03 < tcr> but it got some time till I saw that 23:03 < jsaw> I know the way to solve it, but when it comes done to actually do it... oh my... 23:04 < daja77> *gg* 23:04 < tcr> There're computer for that stuff, really 23:04 < tcr> computers 23:04 < jsaw> tcr: mathematica is sometimes wrong, believe me. no way around checking the results by hand! 23:05 < daja77> ack 23:06 < tcr> Well, it's most time hell a lot easier to recheck something than actually getting to it from scratch, especially if there's such a step-by-step mode 23:06 < jsaw> yeah, ok, you're right. 23:06 < daja77> i knew math profs who do not thrust computers ... 23:07 < tcr> I know math profs who say that 2 isn't a prime number 23:07 < daja77> hehe and that 0 is no natural number 23:08 < jsaw> it was not very funny when I tried to solve an integral and mathematica spit out a "0" while it was OBVIOUSLY > 0... 23:08 < tcr> try another program if available? 23:08 < daja77> numerics is a thing of its own 23:09 < jsaw> not numerics, analytical integral 23:09 < daja77> oh 23:09 < jsaw> integrat( something always bigger zero over integral range ) 23:09 < jsaw> ... 23:10 < tcr> Hehe, maybe some internal number overflow ;) 23:10 * daja77 off to bed now cu 23:10 < tcr> gn8 daja77 23:10 < jsaw> cu daja77 23:10 < tcr> Btw. it's my birthday today :) 23:10 < daja77> happy birthday tcr 23:11 < jsaw> happy birthday to youououououo, happy birthday to youououououou... 23:12 * jsaw :-! 23:12 * tcr . o O ( why only don't I like to hear that version in rl?) ;) 23:12 < jsaw> ? 23:13 < jsaw> it's not that you have to listen to it one hundred times to day or? 23:13 < tcr> youououou looks very, err, strange 23:14 < cytrinox`> gn8 23:14 < jsaw> tcr: (Stimmbruch,Husten oder aehnliches) 23:14 < tcr> No actually not, I kept that secret being in school. I'm not the kind of person who likes stuff like that 23:15 < jsaw> I actually hate the habit of gifts also... so, full ack 23:16 < tcr> Well receiving ain't _that_ particularly bad ;) but the whole stuff around is just annoying (I haven't celebrated any birthday party since I was 12, and I'm not gonna change that anytime soon) 23:16 < netrunner> so, last try. I'll tell you tomorrow if it worked. n8 23:16 < tcr> gn8 netrunner 23:19 -!- LSD_user [~drakox15@sanpedro-a588.racsa.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 23:20 < tcr> jsaw, You know people act as if the day were special in any way, but the fact is that's just one damn year's over. You're older by one year, maybe a bit wiser, but most time you just feel how incredibly *fast* it flew beneath you 23:24 < jsaw> tcr: I prefer gifts just because, they do not come with an obligation to give something back... 23:24 < jsaw> tcr: yeah, you're right. 23:25 < tcr> actually they come with the obligation to give a gift too when the person's got birthday too 23:26 < jsaw> yep. 23:29 < tcr> Well just one year and I'm a bit more independant on my parents :) 23:29 < tcr> one more 23:29 < jsaw> :) 23:30 < netrunner> daja77: didn't work, maybe I understood "sed PROGRAMM" wrong. 23:30 < netrunner> n8 23:30 < netrunner> :) 23:33 < jsaw> gn8 netrunner 23:37 < tcr> Hah.. well 23:40 < tcr> Actually I should get to bed too, cuz I'll have to get up early tomorrow... but I'm still too much in the holiday feeling, damn :) 23:41 < jsaw> hah. cu tommorrow. 23:42 < tcr> You know, I thought by myself yesterday, "heh dude let's go into bed already" (was short after 10pm), so I did by I couldn't sleep until around 0:30 and pondered about things like a good slogan to be printed on a tshirt 8) 23:42 < tcr> s,by,but, 23:43 < jsaw> that happens to me every day. my circadian system is pretty much disfunctional... 23:45 < tcr> At last I decided that the following quote would be great: "The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents.". That's on the front and on the back "s0 ph33r mY 3v1l sk1llZ!" 23:45 < tcr> or something like that 23:45 < jsaw> haha. 23:45 < jsaw> that's a good one. 23:47 * A-Tui is back (gone 00:44:56) 23:47 < tcr> I although pondered about weird stuff, like when there's the topic hamlet at any time at school, and someone raises the question "To be or not be...", then I'll call "The answer is FF" 23:47 < tcr> also (uh-oh, it really becomes time to get readyfor bed) 23:48 < tcr> I admit, I'm a bit weird... but it's a strange stage you're in when being partially asleep 23:52 < jsaw> ohoh, that late? Got to go to work a bit, cu l8r 23:53 < tcr> gn8 ;) 23:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB843.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) --- Log closed Fri Jan 09 00:00:17 2004