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02:28 < rolla> re
02:48 < SMP>  /wii rolla 
02:49 < SMP> gnn
02:58 < rolla> :)
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06:01 < owl> moin
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06:29 < MadTux> re
06:30 < owl> hi Miguel!
06:30 < MadTux> Good day Sandra :)
06:31 < owl> how are you?
06:32 < MadTux> Great thanks for asking, and yourself?
06:33 < owl> i'm so fscking tired, nobody can imagine that
06:40 < MadTux> i though feelings were only for the weak mortals.
06:42 < owl> hm. i'm just mortal :p
06:45 < MadTux> :)
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06:58 < MadTux> owl, u ok?
06:59 < owl> nah. awake :p
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07:03 < MadTux> :)
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07:22 < MadTux> gn8 owly
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07:27 < owl> gn8 Mike
08:02 < rxr> re
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08:13 < daja77> i don't get it
08:13 < daja77> i selected a generic build
08:14 < daja77> Error logs from generic-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert:
08:14 < daja77>  [5]   0 base/libdaemon                  [5]   0 base/ifplugd
08:14 < daja77> 263 builds total, 261 completed fine, 2 with errors.
08:14 < daja77> why has generic only 263 builds *grmpf*
08:15 < owl> hi daja77 
08:15 < daja77> hi owl
08:16 < daja77> args /me is screwed, selected minimal package selection >_<
08:17 < rxr> hi daja77 owl 
08:18 < owl> hi rxr 
08:18 < owl> oh. sorry... didn't saw ya
08:19 < daja77> ok saved minimal for errlogs, continuing with real generic
08:20 < daja77> <- off to university now
08:21 < daja77> hehe at least my build finished before rolla ^^
08:38 < owl> booook. someone here?
08:49 * rxr 
08:51 < rxr> > Memo Confirms IBM Move To Linux Desktop?
08:52 < rxr> > Our chairman has challenged the IT organization, and indeed all of IBM, to move to a Linux based desktop before the end of 2005.
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08:54 < owl> O_o
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09:14 < link_> hi all
09:15 < link_> hm, does anyone know with wich package libgdbm.so.2 is delivered?
09:17 < rxr> link_: gdbm
09:19 < link_> thank you =/ i had could thought on myself =/
09:21 < owl> hi link_ 
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09:21 < holyolli> en
09:21 < holyolli> moin even
09:22 < link_> hi holyolli 
09:23 < holyolli> hi link
09:52 < link_> i'm installing novell nterprice services *g* i hate it already ;)
09:53 < link_> it seems to do strange things
09:53 < holyolli> *g*
09:55 < owl> hi holyolli 
09:55 < holyolli> huhu owl
09:55 < link_> hi owl 
09:56 < rxr> arrrghghghghghghg
09:56 < rxr> freshmeat crap:
09:56 < rxr> We encountered an error
09:56 < rxr>  Your changes summary is 671 characters long. This exceeds the fixed limit of 600 characters. Please be a little more brief about your changes as we have to fit them on the frontpage along with all the other releases.
09:56 < rxr> my nice 71 chars I have to delete now ...
09:57 < owl> rxr: when (voraussichtlich) will be there a 2.0?
09:57 < holyolli> hm. due to the fact that's it is a longer time ago...in order to send patches, just the patch on the ml?
09:58 < link_> rxr: delete the 6.45 times: 'i hate bill'
09:58 < holyolli> or any other special procedure?
09:58 < rxr> owl: half a year ago ?
09:58 < owl> hoeh??? 2.0-stable?
09:58 < rxr> holyolli: sure - or to me - whatever you prefer
09:59 < holyolli> ok
09:59 < holyolli> <-- is now finally back and wrote all his essential exams...so after a long time i have some spare time for rock :)
09:59 < rxr> holyolli: we will have an automated system soon - but this is an free-choice thing - patches can always be send in normal format
09:59 < holyolli> ok
09:59 < rxr> owl: planned yes - in real-world not yet
10:00 < rxr> owl: I estimate some more tiny weeks
10:00 < rxr> maybe in Feb ...
10:00 < owl> hm. ok
10:00 < owl> good luck
10:00 < rxr> -rc5 this week
10:00 < rxr> thereafter follows stable
10:01 < owl> oki. so updating svn will show me then, when it's stable?
10:02 < rxr> owl: what do you mean ?
10:03 < owl> when i update the source via svn, then execute ./scripts/Config i will see how it's called (rc-5, stable), or not?
10:03 < rxr> jups
10:03 < rxr> but final will just show 2.0.0
10:03 < rxr> nothing attached 
10:03 < owl> oki. cool.
10:08 < holyolli> rxr: i errously didn't send the filename with the patch...want it to resend?
10:10 < jsaw_> re
10:10 < holyolli> hi jsaw_
10:11 < owl> hi jsaw_ !
10:11 < jsaw_> rxr: could you give a reason, why the gtk-python stuff does not get in? We install python packages in a non-default location, SO, the build environment should handle it.
10:11 < jsaw_> hi holyolli 
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10:17 < rxr> jsaw: take a look into SVN
10:17 < rxr> I fixed the pygtk profile.d "plugin"
10:17 < rxr> dia compiles now - here in my ref build
10:17 < jsaw> is profile.d read inside the build environment? I didn't know that.
10:18 < rxr> we should not hardcode so much configs - but let the packages provide (propagate) it's configuration settings
10:19 < jsaw> yeah yeah. I simply didn't know, that the profile.d settings are also handled inside the build env.
10:19 < rxr> in 2.1 we even might remove the auto-build magic hardcoded - and let e.g. autoconf profide the "configure", make the normal Makefile, xfree86 the xmkmf, perl the xyz.pl, python the setup.py magic in parse-config or similar modular fashion
10:19 < rxr> (idea we had at CCC ...)
10:19 < jsaw> oh
10:20 < rxr> provide even ...
10:20 < rxr> ok - our homepage and freshmeat is now spammed with ROCK news ...
10:20 < jsaw> rxr: what's about the ppp stuff, is it far from getting accepted? (besides that it definitely needs some polishing)
10:20 < rxr> looks good
10:21 < jsaw> so I'll send a patch for sysfiles tonight, ok?
10:21 < rxr> I have only taken a brief look yet - but it seems you can remove the explicit pppoe keyword (the one without other args in the name) and use the "is_first" magic as done in
10:22 < rxr> e.g. /etc/network/modules/iptables.sh
10:22 < jsaw> rxr: I have to say that I don't understand the rocknet magic to well, but I'll try. :)
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10:23 * jsaw off to work, back in a couple of minutes...
10:23 < Spike> hello @all
10:24 < owl> hi Spike 
10:24 < owl> .oO(vampires ...?)
10:26 < rxr> me away, too
10:26 < rxr> cu all
10:26 < holyolli> cu rxr
10:26 < owl> bye rxr 
10:27 < Spike> i have a problem with compiling rock-2.0.0-rc2 on the ibook G3: glibc stops with error: undefined reference to '__quos' ... to '__divss' .. to '_mull' ... 
10:27 < Spike> has anyone an idea of solving the problem :)?
10:28 * holyolli not :(
10:29 < netrunner> Spike: why do you compile -rc2 and not the latest rc4?
10:29 < owl> hmmm. might it would help to update the source to rc5?
10:29 < owl> latest rc4? O_o *has rc5 on HD)
10:30 < Spike> i have not realized that rc5 is out :)
10:30 < netrunner> owl: that is not really rc5 but the svn HEAD. 
10:30 < owl> hmm. ok. 
10:30 < Spike> i will try to compile the rc4 thanx
10:31 < netrunner> Spike: owl is somehow right, you could just update to the very last version.
10:31 * netrunner hiring beta testers ;)
10:31 < owl> *lol*
10:31 < holyolli> hehe
10:32 < owl> .oO(hiring huebi would be amuesing *g*)
10:56 < holyolli> is huebi still alive? ;-)
10:57 < owl> *shruks* don't know, but i think so, at least he is appearing sometimes (very, very seldom)
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11:10 < jsaw> re
11:11 < owl> wb
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12:03 < owl> hi blindcoder 
12:16 < jsaw> rxr: esden/povray35 error is rather strange. The cksum is back to pre-1873 rev.
12:16 < jsaw> rxr: sirkull/clamav: the correct download location is http://download/sf.net/clamav/
12:16 < jsaw> rxr: sorry, can't send email from work to ml
12:18 < jsaw> rxr: ohoh, s,download/,download., 
12:19 < owl> someone has expierience with "schaukampfschwerten"?
12:19 < owl> is it possible to make them sharp?
12:27 < owl> frlrfsystemdiagnosticsprocessstartinfoclassredirectstandardoutputtopic.asp << WAAAH! what a sick name
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13:21 < owl> hi aktnot 
13:21 < daja77> re
13:22 < owl> wb daja77 
13:22 < holyolli> huhu daja77
13:23 < daja77> hi holyolli 
13:26 < mnemoc> moin #rl
13:26 < holyolli> moin mnemoc
13:26 < owl> moin mnemoc 
13:27 < daja77> hi mnemoc *hug*
13:27 < mnemoc> hi holyolli, owl 
13:27 * mnemoc squeeze daja77 
13:28 * daja77 is now know as halfsizedaja :D
13:28 < mnemoc> :)
13:30 < netrunne1> moin halfsizedaja
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13:30 < daja77> moin netrunner 
13:30 * netrunner tries for 3 days to write a report about ids and has just fiinished the second paragraph :)
13:34 < mnemoc> have you slept in these 3 days?
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13:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: no, played alpha centauri :)
13:42 < daja77> on linux?
13:42 < netrunner> jup
13:43 < netrunner> what's better, cifs or afs?
13:45 < mnemoc> ehm...
13:45 < mnemoc> afs is too cache dependent
13:46 < mnemoc> if you have a properly sized cache afs is better
13:47 < mnemoc> but last time i used afs was on.. 1997 over irix 5.3 ;P
13:47 < mnemoc> and it sucked
13:47 < netrunner> mnemoc: I just stumbled again over my mail to the afs ml "Extremely newbie question" ... how emberassing google can be :)
13:49 < holyolli> netrunner: for what kind of application do you use afs?
13:49 < mnemoc> i usualy find my own mails when googleing :(
13:50 < owl> <-- off
13:50 < owl> bye
13:50 < mnemoc> bye owl 
13:50 < holyolli> cu owl
13:50 < netrunner> holyolli: that was years ago, my task was to put everybody's home on the afs server so we could do flexible office.
13:50 < netrunner> holyolli: worked great :)
13:50 < holyolli> ah
13:51 < holyolli> i only got used to afs in the university as a user...my question is because i'm still looking for a fs to sync my laptop with my (local) homedir
13:51 < holyolli> and with the feature of online (connected) and offline work
13:51 < mnemoc> holyolli: coda
13:51 < holyolli> so something like intermezzo and codafs
13:52 < holyolli> but i don't know how stable they are..all ml's and webpages say, it's still beta
13:52 < holyolli> mnemoc: have you tried it?
13:53 < mnemoc> holyolli: nope :)
13:54 < holyolli> .oO(that's what everybody say... "try coda, but i never tried it for myself" ;-)))
13:54 < mnemoc> i have heard very good comments, but daja hates it
13:54 < holyolli> *g*
13:54 < holyolli> daja77: why?
13:54 < mnemoc> :)
13:54 < daja77> tell you later, have to work now
13:54 < holyolli> ok
13:55 < mnemoc> daja77: work damn rt-slave!! work!!
13:55 < holyolli> rt??
13:55 < holyolli> .oO(radio telephony?)
13:55 < mnemoc> realtime linux
13:55 < holyolli> ah *fg*
14:02 < link_> re
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14:07 < holyolli> @#$&*% rpm
14:07 < holyolli> <-- is now away for a longer time...rpm just ignored the prefix and killed my glibc on my alpha...
14:07 < holyolli> fuck
14:08 < mnemoc> *R*pm
14:10 < holyolli> cya in some days.. ;-)
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14:13 * mnemoc @ 28.8 will hang up :-\ cu
14:13 < netrunner> cu mnemoc 
14:17 < praenti> hi
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14:20 < cytrinox`> moin
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14:37 < rxr> re
14:41 < mnemoc> wb rxr
14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: You don't have permission to access /products/rock-handbook/ps+pdf/rock-handbook.pdf on this server
14:49 < blindcoder> moin
14:51 < rolla> re
14:53 < blindcoder> snail mail from .de to .cr is expensive >_<
15:04 < rolla> yup
15:04 < rolla> blindcoder: you just figured that out
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15:33 < daja77> grml* commercial sw under linux sucks like hell
15:34 < netrunner>  .o( daja77 uses commercial ftp client? )
15:34 < daja77> no binary only kernel drivers
15:35 < daja77> those idiots compiled them with gcc2 >_<
15:35 < blindcoder> which one?
15:35 < daja77> 2.95 sth, don't care my kernel is on gcc 3.2
15:36 < blindcoder> I mean what module :)
15:36 < daja77> sorcus pci card
15:36 < netrunner> shouldn't that be no problem?
15:36 < daja77> it is kernel won't load such modules
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15:37 < daja77> the developer declared me on the phone that gcc2 is recommended for kernel and stuff
15:37 < daja77> ah and yes he was using debian hrhr
15:37 < daja77> he once tried gcc 3.0 and it crashed $long_list_of_curses
15:38 < daja77> he couldn't believe when i told him his system is old
15:38 < netrunner> hehe, no debianist will :)
15:38 < daja77> they suck >_<
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15:39 < holyolli> re
15:39 * daja77 now recompiling with gcc2, but i guess this is just the start of a nightmare
15:41 < daja77> i bet they compiled their binary only lib with gcc2 too hrhr
15:45 < rolla> daja77: my build died :(
15:46 < daja77> mine completed, cos i selected minimal pkg selection :(
15:46 < rolla> well I tried that
15:46 < daja77> why it died?
15:46 < rolla> not sure yet
15:46 < daja77> machine freeze?
15:47 < rolla> nope
15:47 < daja77> good
15:48 < rolla> Creating 2nd stage filesystem:
15:48 < rolla> -> Extracting the packages archives.
15:48 < rolla> -> `- Extracting 00-dirtree.tar.bz2 ...
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/ar: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/ar': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/as: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/as': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/ld: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/ld': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/nm: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/nm': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/s2p: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/s2p': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/pstruct: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pstruct': No such file or dir
15:48 < rolla> ectory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/c2ph: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pstruct': No such file or direct
15:48 < rolla> ory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/perl: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/perl': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/psed: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/s2p': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/zcmp: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/zcmp': No such file or directory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/bzegrep: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/bzegrep': No such file or dir
15:48 < rolla> ectory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/bzfgrep: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/bzegrep': No such file or dir
15:48 < rolla> ectory
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/bzcmp: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/bzcmp': No such file or directo
15:48 < rolla> ry
15:48 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/pgawk: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pgawk': No such file or directo
15:48 < rolla> ry
15:49 < rolla> tar: usr/bin/pgrep: Cannot hard link to `usr/bin/pgrep': No such file or directo
15:49 < rolla> ry
15:49 < rolla> crap
15:49 < rolla> sorry for the flood
15:49 < rolla> I ment only to grab first line
15:49 * daja77 hits rolla
15:49 < rolla> :(
15:56 < rolla> crap
15:56 < daja77> hm?
15:56 < rolla> I wish I knew why it broke
15:58 < daja77> wow download at work is fast for the first time
16:00 < daja77> calculating cksum takes longer than download
16:18 < daja77> scripts/Download is broken
16:27 < mnemoc> re
16:27 < mnemoc> any Makefile guru?
16:28 < mnemoc> daja77: chksum uncompress, that can be really slow sometimes
16:35 < daja77> i am trying to download a .tgz file, download tries to download a .tbz2 file
16:46 < jsaw> me disappears some seminar room, cu l8r
16:46 < daja77> have fun
16:47 < rolla> bye3
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16:47 < daja77> Lorini is back!
16:47 < holyolli> huhu Lorini
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16:49 < daja77> <- just started generic build with rt extension
16:52 * blindcoder playing some Star Ocean EX 2 
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17:04 < holyolli> daja77: still @work?
17:05 < daja77> yeah still sucks
17:05 < daja77> they are dumber than i have imagined
17:05 < holyolli> *g*
17:06 < holyolli> you are working with some realtime-stuff?
17:10 < daja77> yeah i sort of fixed rtrock in the meantime
17:13 < daja77> recompiled the kernel with gcc2, just to see that their module for 2.4.20 was really compiled for 2.4.3
17:13 < daja77> suck, suck, suck
17:14 < daja77> boss wants their sources now ...
17:14 < holyolli> hm
17:15 < daja77> but of course commercial sw is of better quality *puke*
17:15 < holyolli> hehe
17:16 < daja77> at least i don't have to go to work tomorrow, they won't get it done until then
17:16 < netrunner> daja77: your problems have nothing to do with quality imho. it's a general problem of pushing biary only in a open source world.
17:16 < daja77> ack
17:16 < daja77> i want src
17:17 < netrunner> daja77: you addict :)
17:17 < daja77> have to patch the driver for devfs support anyway *eg*
17:18 * netrunner -> uni
17:18 < daja77> this is the problem of win* idiots pushing binaries to a platform they hardly understood
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17:28 < daja77> O_o
17:28 < daja77> i want some too ...
17:28 < holyolli> .oO(ich kann auch ohne drogen keinen spass haben... ;-)
17:29 < daja77> yep like working
17:31 < holyolli> *g*
17:47 < daja77> rofl @ rc names
17:50 * daja77 missing the pcmcia update in rc4 :(
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18:18 < rxr> re
18:18 < daja77> wb rxr
18:18 < holyolli> hi rxr
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18:21 < daja77> wee linux24 ready
18:23 < daja77> cool patching 2.4.24-rock with rthal patch works
18:36 * daja77 goin home cu
18:38 < holyolli> cu daja77
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19:01 < rxr> cu
19:02 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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19:15 < mnemoc> G* ppl should read this: http://aegis.sourceforge.net/auug97.pdf
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19:30 < daja77> re
19:31 < rolla> re
19:32 < daja77> :)
19:58 < rolla> ah
19:59 < daja77> confusing windows again?
20:00 < rolla> nein
20:04 < owl> re
20:05 < owl> someone here?
20:05 < daja77> no :D
20:05 < owl> hehe :p well, might you have expierience with oaf?
20:06 < daja77> no
20:06 < owl> :-( not good
20:08 < owl> HRMPF. it's crap. did i already mention, that i'm _really hating_ gnome-crap?
20:08 < daja77> dunno, but guess that is obvious
20:09 < owl> hm?
20:09 < daja77> the gnome and crap thing ...
20:09 < owl> hrm. yeah... 
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20:10 < owl> *hrhr* Gogle - at least not google (.com)
20:11 < owl> $ROCKCFG_PKG_GNOME14_CORE_PREFIX    << which path is it? or better: prefix? i'm either blind or not able to read the Documentation
20:18 < owl> daja77: *terrorping*
20:18 * daja77 shocked
20:19 < owl> hehe. do you know by accident, what value ROCKCFG... (see above) has? i can't find it
20:19 < daja77> /opt/gnome14 perhaps?
20:20 < owl> hmm. ok. thx
20:27 < holyolli> re
20:30 < owl> wb holyolli 
20:33 < owl> grmpf. i don't get this fscking oaf10 working - that can't be possible *gnarf*
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21:19 < holyolli> daja77?
21:21 < daja77> hm?
21:22 < holyolli> daja77: do you have some minutes to explain me, why codafs sucks in your point of view?
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21:23 < daja77> because it is not supported at my university :D
21:24 < holyolli> *fg*
21:24 < holyolli> that's all? ;-)
21:25 < daja77> the reason for that is, that the can't transfer files in chunks, only complete file transfers, only files which fit into local cache can be transfered and stuff like that
21:26 < holyolli> hm. and what about stability and integrity?
21:28 < daja77> of coda?
21:29 < holyolli> jo
21:29 < daja77> dunno, haven't used it
21:29 < daja77> want to use openafs
21:29 < daja77> but build fails
21:29 < holyolli> i worked with it in sweden...it was neat
21:29 < holyolli> (but only as end-user)
21:30 < daja77> i mean but doesn't really fail, it gives a shared file error, for some strange reason flist_wrapper rule doesn't help ...
21:35 < daja77> mnemoc: interesting paper thx, will read it when being awake again ^^
21:35 < netrunner> daja77: you have an openafs package?
21:36 < daja77> a .desc yess
21:36 < daja77> -s
21:37 < daja77> http://www.rocklinux.net:80/lurker/message/20031124.205551.086bdb19.html
21:39 < daja77> you should change IBM_Open_License to IBM_Public_License
21:42 < netrunner> daja77: applied, are those latest versions?
21:43 < daja77> it was latest when i sent it, just checking
21:43 < daja77> yep it still is
21:55 < nookie> Does anyone understands maths in here?
21:55 < nookie> A german person prefered ;)
21:55 < daja77> Lorini does :)
21:55 < nookie> Lorini isn't here
21:55 < daja77> .oO she will kill me
22:03 < rolla> see I oculd help but you want a german ;)
22:03 < daja77> and he got me ^^
22:11 < rolla> :)
22:21 < jsaw> re
22:21 < jsaw> nookie: ein wenig
22:21 < daja77> sigh he is in in bed already
22:21 < daja77> me can't do it atm
22:23 < holyolli> n8
22:23 < jsaw> cu, holyolli 
22:23 < holyolli> cu jsaw
22:23 < jsaw> (alpha running again?)
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22:23 < jsaw> too fast...
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22:26 < rolla> nookie: what are you doing that ugly math for?
22:27 < netrunner> nookie: what's your problem?
22:27 < daja77> 22:16 <nookie> ich geh schlafen
22:27 < daja77> 22:16 <nookie> schreib mirs bitte rein
22:27 < daja77> *gnarf*
22:27 < netrunner> ts
22:28 < jsaw> und die Frage?
22:28 < daja77> <- fscking tired
22:28 < tcr> moin all
22:28 < daja77> simplify that term ((1)/(4x-1)+(1/1))/((x/1)-(x/2x+1))
22:29 < rolla> daja77: I am out of school I don't have to think in such terms anymore :)
22:29 < daja77> hehe
22:32 < daja77> think i know how to do it, but explaining it ...
22:32 < jsaw> I guess the problem is
22:32 < jsaw> (4x^2-1) = (2x+1) (2x-1)
22:32 < jsaw> ?
22:32 < tcr> wait
22:33 < daja77> thought of that too
22:33 < tcr> 2 / (2x - 1)
22:34 < daja77> yep that's the solution, he wanted to know how to get it 
22:34 < daja77> if you like to explain it to him in a query ...
22:34 < tcr> Who cares? There are computers exactly for *that* matter
22:35 < rolla> teachers that is who
22:35 < daja77> not in exams
22:35 < jsaw> I do
22:35 < daja77> jsaw: explaining it?
22:35 < jsaw> yes
22:35 < tcr> wait then i'll try by hand
22:35 < daja77> thank you very much
22:36 < jsaw> it's correct, tcr
22:37 < netrunner> !> Found shared files with other packages:
22:37 < netrunner> !> usr/bin/compile_et: e2fsprogs openafs
22:37 < daja77> i know, what i wanted to know is what that fscking filter rule doesn't work
22:38 < daja77> that's why it isn't applied yet to official tree btw
22:38 < daja77> >_<
22:40 < netrunner> dunno :/
22:41 < daja77> it looks like the one in the manual/article
22:42 < daja77> interesting is that rh told me they don't have any compile_et program at all
22:42 < daja77> >_<
22:42 < daja77> rh users
22:42 * netrunner grepping other install_wrapper_filter occurrences and comparing ...
22:53 < netrunner> daja77: maybe the install_wrapper only applies to make install? I see here 
22:53 < netrunner> /usr/src/rock-linux/src.openafs.1073601882.12821.3288227147/openafs-1.2.10a/src/pinstall/pinstall compile_et /usr/bin/compile_et
22:53 < daja77> damn it
22:53 < netrunner> maybe a inmake that renames the compile_et would do the trick?
22:54 < netrunner> (inmake is between make and make install, no?)
22:54 < daja77> well i will look into this again, maybe there is a configure option to switch this crap off
22:55 < daja77> but thx so far, guess that explains it
22:58 < netrunner>   --program-transform-name=PROGRAM
22:58 < netrunner>                           run sed PROGRAM on installed program names
22:58 * netrunner refuses to work on it's report ;)
22:58 < daja77> ^^
22:58 < jsaw> hehe
23:00 < netrunner> now building with var_append confopt " " "--program-transform-name='s,usr/bin/compile_et,usr/bin/compile_et_openafs,'"
23:00 < tcr> uh, finally got it by hand, too :)
23:00 < daja77> hehe
23:00 < jsaw> :)))
23:00 < tcr> jsaw, is there some mathematic rule you applied or did you just try?
23:01 < jsaw> a couple of rules: 1. common "nenner" (denominator?) for lower and upper part
23:01 < netrunner> tcr: arent there mathematical programs like mathematica that have a step by step solver with verbose mode?
23:02 < netrunner> I think there is one called euler for linux ... 
23:02 < jsaw> 2. (a/b)/(c/d) = (a*d)/(b*c) "Kehrbruch multiplizieren"
23:02 * A-Tui is away: cenando
23:02 < daja77> that bit for upper and lower part, was what i made wrong in the first run
23:02 < tcr> jsaw, yeah i did that too :)
23:02 < jsaw> 3. (a+b)*(a-b) = a^2-b^2 
23:02 < jsaw> Kuerzen, fertig.
23:03 < tcr> but it got some time till I saw that
23:03 < jsaw> I know the way to solve it, but when it comes done to actually do it... oh my... 
23:04 < daja77> *gg*
23:04 < tcr> There're computer for that stuff, really
23:04 < tcr> computers
23:04 < jsaw> tcr: mathematica is sometimes wrong, believe me. no way around checking the results by hand!
23:05 < daja77> ack
23:06 < tcr> Well, it's most time hell a lot easier to recheck something than actually getting to it from scratch, especially if there's such a step-by-step mode
23:06 < jsaw> yeah, ok, you're right.
23:06 < daja77> i knew math profs who do not thrust computers ...
23:07 < tcr> I know math profs who say that 2 isn't a prime number
23:07 < daja77> hehe and that 0 is no natural number
23:08 < jsaw> it was not very funny when I tried to solve an integral and mathematica spit out a "0" while it was OBVIOUSLY > 0...
23:08 < tcr> try another program if available?
23:08 < daja77> numerics is a thing of its own
23:09 < jsaw> not numerics, analytical integral
23:09 < daja77> oh
23:09 < jsaw> integrat( something always bigger zero over integral range )
23:09 < jsaw> ...
23:10 < tcr> Hehe, maybe some internal number overflow ;)
23:10 * daja77 off to bed now cu
23:10 < tcr> gn8 daja77
23:10 < jsaw> cu daja77 
23:10 < tcr> Btw. it's my birthday today :)
23:10 < daja77> happy birthday tcr
23:11 < jsaw> happy birthday to youououououo, happy birthday to youououououou...
23:12 * jsaw :-!
23:12 * tcr . o O ( why only don't I like to hear that version in rl?) ;)
23:12 < jsaw> ?
23:13 < jsaw> it's not that you have to listen to it one hundred times to day or?
23:13 < tcr> youououou looks very, err, strange
23:14 < cytrinox`> gn8
23:14 < jsaw> tcr: (Stimmbruch,Husten oder aehnliches)
23:14 < tcr> No actually not, I kept that secret being in school. I'm not the kind of person who likes stuff like that
23:15 < jsaw> I actually hate the habit of gifts also... so, full ack
23:16 < tcr> Well receiving ain't _that_ particularly bad ;) but the whole stuff around is just annoying (I haven't celebrated any birthday party since I was 12, and I'm not gonna change that anytime soon)
23:16 < netrunner> so, last try. I'll tell you tomorrow if it worked. n8
23:16 < tcr> gn8 netrunner
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23:20 < tcr> jsaw, You know people act as if the day were special in any way, but the fact is that's just one damn year's over. You're older by one year, maybe a bit wiser, but most time you just feel how incredibly *fast* it flew beneath you
23:24 < jsaw> tcr: I prefer gifts just because, they do not come with an obligation to give something back...
23:24 < jsaw> tcr: yeah, you're right.
23:25 < tcr> actually they come with the obligation to give a gift too when the person's got birthday too
23:26 < jsaw> yep.
23:29 < tcr> Well just one year and I'm a bit more independant on my parents :)
23:29 < tcr> one more
23:29 < jsaw> :)
23:30 < netrunner> daja77: didn't work, maybe I understood "sed PROGRAMM" wrong. 
23:30 < netrunner> n8
23:30 < netrunner> :)
23:33 < jsaw> gn8 netrunner 
23:37 < tcr> Hah.. well
23:40 < tcr> Actually I should get to bed too, cuz I'll have to get up early tomorrow... but I'm still too much in the holiday feeling, damn :)
23:41 < jsaw> hah. cu tommorrow.
23:42 < tcr> You know, I thought by myself yesterday, "heh dude let's go into bed already" (was short after 10pm), so I did by I couldn't sleep until around 0:30 and pondered about things like a good slogan to be printed on a tshirt 8)
23:42 < tcr> s,by,but,
23:43 < jsaw> that happens to me every day. my circadian system is pretty much disfunctional...
23:45 < tcr> At last I decided that the following quote would be great: "The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents.". That's on the front and on the back "s0 ph33r mY 3v1l sk1llZ!"
23:45 < tcr> or something like that
23:45 < jsaw> haha. 
23:45 < jsaw> that's a good one.
23:47 * A-Tui is back (gone 00:44:56)
23:47 < tcr> I although pondered about weird stuff, like when there's the topic hamlet at any time at school, and someone raises the question "To be or not be...", then I'll call "The answer is FF"
23:47 < tcr> also (uh-oh, it really becomes time to get readyfor bed)
23:48 < tcr> I admit, I'm a bit weird... but it's a strange stage you're in when being partially asleep
23:52 < jsaw> ohoh, that late? Got to go to work a bit, cu l8r
23:53 < tcr> gn8 ;)
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