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03:32 < A-Tui> mnemoc, ping?
03:33 < mnemoc> pong 
03:33 < mnemoc> A-Tui: here
03:33 < A-Tui> mnemoc, how i must add the [c] category to a port
03:34 < A-Tui> i must do it manually
03:35 < mnemoc> a port?
03:35 < A-Tui> mmm well a new package
03:35 < mnemoc> there is a list of valid [C]s on Documentation/Developsomething
03:35 < A-Tui> [C] <- [COPY]
03:35 < A-Tui> i read that there is a script who add it
03:36 < mnemoc> Documentation/Developers/PKG-CATEGORIES
03:36 < mnemoc> [C] <--- category
03:37 < mnemoc> the script is to help when the categories list changes importantly
03:37 < A-Tui> yes, i was wrong, i refered to [COPY]
03:37 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch
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03:38 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch package/a-tui/
03:38 < A-Tui> ok
03:39 < mnemoc> that will generate copy.patch for you
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04:35 < jsaw_> mnemoc: did u had a chance to test pppoe?
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06:30 < Q01> Hello people. :-)
06:42 < Q01> I take it you folks use rock linux ?
06:56 < netrunner> sure :)
06:56 < netrunner> moin btw
06:56 < owl> moin
06:57 < Q01> Sorry, moin ? (wish I knew more human languages)
06:57 < Q01> :-)
06:57 < netrunner> Q01: short for good morning :)
06:57 < owl> hehe. it's northern german slang - which means something like "hi" :p
06:58 < owl> netrunner: wrong. not good morning, but "hi" :p
06:58 < owl> -
06:58 < Q01> Ah, Good morning! :-)
06:58 < owl> :p hi Q01 
06:58 < netrunner> owl: ok, but I use it instead of moang, since not everybody here speeks bavarian :)
06:58 < owl> hehe. yeah :p
06:58 < Q01> You know, I think the only German I know is "mach schnell" which, would be a pretty useless thing to know if I ever went there.
06:58 < netrunner> Q01: I suppose you're in a different tz? ;)
06:58 < owl> aaaaargh.!!! someone has stolen my big sun-cup! *boooook*
06:59 * netrunner making coffee
06:59 < Q01> Yea, I'm in the states.
07:00 < Q01> I've been trying to gather some info on Rock Linux, looks really interesting!
07:00 < owl> !whois Q01 ?
07:01 < Q01> A pre-newbie I guess. 
07:01 < owl> .oO(1-litre of hot apple tea - wounderful *smile*)
07:01 < owl> hehe - ok ;) still using windows?
07:01 < Q01> No! :-)
07:01 < owl> *g* but? ;p
07:01 < Q01> From slackware/redhat background. :-)
07:01 < owl> *hrhr* "newbie", eh? *kick*
07:02 < Q01> Well, newbie to Rock Linux.
07:02 < owl> ok :p
07:02 < Q01> If I download and try it, will it complain about old headers and stuff? (or worse, nuke my home direcotries and /usr/local /var/local etc...) ?
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07:04 < netrunner> Q01: nope, it is self compiling with several stages.
07:04 < netrunner> Q01: you just need a recent bash, and some other tools.
07:04 < netrunner> Q01: everything is compiled in a chroot below build/
07:05 < netrunner> Q01: nothing touches your real / if you use the correct commands :)
07:05 < Q01> Hmm.. so it downloads the new libraries, headers and such?
07:06 < Q01> You'll laugh if I tell you I'm planning on building/running it on a 200mhz (yes, that's an 'm') Pentium.
07:08 < Q01> Is it ~6:00AM there?
07:08 < netrunner> nope, 07:10am
07:08 < Q01> (hoping I didn't make anyone spit out their coffee laughing at my machine) :-)
07:08 < owl> http://www.owlpages.com/species/bubo/philippensis/pictures/phil_eagle1_da.jpg << if someone is interested in my current look, btw *g*
07:09 < netrunner> Q01: np, :) it takes a really long time on such a slow machine, but it works.
07:09 < netrunner> Q01: maybe you would like instead one of the prebuilt iso images? (iso.rocklinux.de iirc)
07:09 < Q01> Hmm.. wonder if the 2038 bug will get exposed before it finishes building? :-)
07:10 < netrunner> don't think so. I guess you'd need 2 weeks, maybe 3
07:10 < Q01> netrunner: I was thinking about that. (One of the decissions)
07:10 < netrunner> for a full generic build. but there is also mimimal package selection ...
07:10 < Q01> Thats what I want, very minimal and let me build stuff as I need it. 
07:11 < netrunner> the stuff that takes the longest time are big packages as gnome and kde.
07:11 < netrunner> Q01: so go ahead, use the minimal package selection template and add what you'd like. you just need to be careful about dependencies maybe.
07:11 < Q01> Ah, thats one advantage, no X11 (as far as I know, but some libraries might be needed?)
07:12 < netrunner> there's also a minimal+x11 template ;)
07:13 < Q01> So if it runs chrooted, and supports a "cluster", can I build part of it on another (ancient redhat) machine? Or, does that take special cluster software? (other than rsh) 
07:13 < Q01> s/runs chrooted/builds chrooted/
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07:15 < Q01> owl: That looks like a VERY alert owl! :-)
07:15 < netrunner> Q01: I only use local cluster (smp machine). but you could nfs mount and start a node on the rh machine using the supplied script.
07:16 < owl> Q01: sure. i'm at work, have overslept, it's 07:18, still 7 hours to sit here --> wonderful *cough* *cough* :p
07:17 < Q01> :-(
07:21 < Q01> 2 more questions.. does the finished distribution respect the /var/local /usr/local and /home conventions? and.. if can I pause the build (maybe doing the NFS stuff for the redhat) and resume on 2 machines?) I guess the biggie concern is the /usr/local, opt/local /var/local and /home stuff.
07:23 < netrunner> Q01: nothing is installed to *local*
07:24 < Q01> Very cool, -whew- that was the biggest concern.
07:24 < netrunner> Q01: everything goes with the fhs (or however the acronym was ;)
07:25 < Q01> Cool. :-) 
07:26 < netrunner> Q01: pausing is not really implemented, but you can abort a build, that package will fail and can be rebuilt on the second machine when you restart your build-node there.
07:26 < Q01> Thanks a lot for putting together the distro. 
07:26 < netrunner> Q01: it's a distribution build kit, please ;)
07:27 < Q01> hehe OK! :-) Guess it's kind of a new way of looking at it. :-)
07:27 < netrunner> Q01: what the thing you get out afterwards depends on your target and config :)
07:27 < Q01> I assume the package manager keeps track of filenames and where they went, etc, etc?
07:27 * netrunner just reads that munich starts in early 2004 to move it's servers and clients to linux (the government) 
07:28 < netrunner> Q01: sure :) you even have nice info about installed packages in /var/adm/{flists,packages,...}
07:28 < Q01> Did you guys consider using XML for the package management? (Just curious if the topic were bounced around)
07:29 < netrunner> Q01: and if you compile a foreign package, you can easy create a package out of it by issuing "mkpkg packagename make install" instead of "make install"
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07:30 < Q01> Hmm.. so, I can download apache, compile it *my way*, and have the package mgmt track it all? (very, very cool)
07:31 < Q01> I was always "going to get disciplined" and do everything with RPM to track it all, but.. creating RPM's is a pain.
07:31 < netrunner> Q01: yes i know :) but we also supply a rpm package for masochists :)
07:32 * netrunner now off for uni, farewell Q01, hope to see you back here soon!
07:32 < owl> bye netrunner 
07:33 < Q01> Bye netrunner. :-) Thanx!
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08:23 < netrunner> re
08:24 < owl> wb
08:24 < netrunner> this network lecture is so boring. but software engineering is equal but w/o wlan :)
08:25 < owl> hoeh?
08:27 < netrunner> owl: specify 'hoeh?'
08:28 < owl> w/o --> hoeh????
08:29 < Q01> Hmm... is there a document that explains "package selection" ?
08:30 < netrunner> the room where sweng is has wlan only with vpn, and I do not have a recent key. here it is (almost) open 
08:30 < owl> *rofl* the "corvus corax" audio-cd contains a game for pc 
08:30 < netrunner> Q01: a package selection rule consists of an X to select, a space and then a pattern that matches sth like packagename or repositoryname.
08:31 < netrunner> Q01: eg. X avm   to select all my packages :)
08:31 < netrunner> Q01: or X netcat  to select netcat
08:31 < Q01> Hmm... 
08:32 < Q01> Could I supply a text file some place with a list of packages I want?
08:32 < Q01> (or does it need to be a pattern?)
08:32 < netrunner> Q01: sure. look in the desktop target: target/desktop/config.in
08:33 < Q01> Browsing..
08:34 < owl> someone knows how i can use samba (3.0.1) with win xp?
08:35 < netrunner> owl: cygwin?
08:35 < owl> nah. i meant using samba from linux-pc and connect to an fscking win-xp (prof) machine
08:35 < Q01> Can I edit config/default/packages ? 
08:36 < netrunner> owl: smbclient, smbmount ...
08:36 < owl> yeah, thought so, too... but it doesn't work...
08:36 < netrunner> owl: mount //host/share /mnt/blubb -o username=owl,password=secret
08:36 < owl> NT_ << failure
08:38 < Q01> I'm not a windows guy, but is webDAV an option?
08:38 < netrunner> wonderful. the prof said my comment is wrong, just to explain it as a special feature minutes later 
08:39 < netrunner> Q01: for what?
08:39 < Q01> instead of Samba.
08:39 < Q01> (I Don't know owl's requirements, if it has to be samba or not)
08:39 < owl> dunno? what is webDAV?
08:40 < owl> i just backed up some files to my boyfriends 2nd-machine (which is fscking winxp)
08:40 < Q01> It's a filesystem implemented over web servers. Supposed to work good on Windows. (I've only briefly used it on a mac <-> linux)
08:40 < netrunner> Q01: she want's to connect to a xp machine :)
08:41 < Q01> Yea, I know. :-( but, I've just heard windows does DAV as well.
08:41 < netrunner> owl: have you tried to authenticate against the xp?
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08:41 < owl> hrm. alternatively i could install ssh for windows and scp the files *thinking*
08:41 < owl> netrunner: yeah. sure. 
08:41 < owl> hi LinuxDude 
08:41 < netrunner> owl: what is the error?
08:42 < LinuxDude> for building rock i need the 3 iso's?
08:42 < netrunner> LinuxDude: for building rock you need a gcc, bash and some other tools.
08:42 < owl> NT_LOGON_FAILURE i guess - i don't have the exact failure-message in my mind
08:42 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i see iso's on the website :/
08:43 < netrunner> owl: so either you supplied wrong user/pw, or the share is not public. try to connect as admin to the //host/c$ or something
08:44 < netrunner> LinuxDude: those are precompiled installable ROCKLinux targets. To build rock yourself, you only need a small set of tools as you can read in the handbook.
08:44 < owl> already did - and passwd was temporary set to something very easy --> impossible to do typos :-( and share is public
08:44 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i need a seperate partition to?
08:44 < netrunner> owl: are the ntfs rights set to everyone full access? (besides the cfs share settings)
08:45 < netrunner> LinuxDude: not for building. even not for installing, but makes more sense ;)
08:45 < LinuxDude> i cant on that handbook on the website
08:46 < netrunner> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
08:46 < LinuxDude> k
08:46 < netrunner> (the pdf version seems to have access right problem)
08:47 < owl> netrunner: hmmmmm. thx. will test this tonight... ;)
08:47 < LinuxDude> anyway, i want to try it, i only have 3 partitions, how should i do that
08:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: be aware that building generic needs lots of space (~6G iirc)
08:49 < LinuxDude> netrunner: well that doesnt matter, i got 40
08:49 < LinuxDude> but i dont know where to start heh
08:51 < netrunner> LinuxDude: depends if you want to build yourself or just install.
08:52 < LinuxDude> netrunner: build myself
08:52 < netrunner> LinuxDude: to build, you need to fetch the sources with subversion. The best is to read the handbook, everything is written there.
08:53 < netrunner> (at least almost ;)
08:53 < Q01> LinuxDude: I'm playing with it too. :-) I dl'ded rock-src-2.0.0-rc4.tar.bz2
08:53 < LinuxDude> netrunner: but i think i cant building it on my linux partition right?
08:53 < LinuxDude> thats cool Q01 
08:54 < Q01> Still trying to grok selecting packages though :-/
08:54 < LinuxDude> Q01: ya had a apart partition?
08:54 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you do not need one, everything will be chrooted anyway.
08:55 < Q01> From what I've read, it builds, then creates the ISO, and you install the ISO as a distro? 
08:56 < netrunner> Q01: that is the 'standard' way.
08:57 < Q01> Is it "safe" to just go ahead and supply my own config/default/packages file? or is sed expressions required, or another way? 
08:57 < netrunner> Q01: after building you also have the root of the new system with all packages installed under build/yourconfig/root. I once nfs booted that on another pc. 
08:58 < netrunner> Q01: best is to modify an existing one, like the one from desktop.
08:58 < Q01> Hmm... but it's safe to just edit in a text editor? (build system isn't going to recreate it from sed expressions is it?)
08:59 < netrunner> Q01: that's ok :) parts of the config are rewritten, like the package list, but not the selection rules.
08:59 < Q01> Oh, you mean simply copy all the stuff from target/desktop to config/$CONF_NAME ?
08:59 < netrunner> nope
09:00 < Q01> So, package list *is* rebuilt. Hmm..
09:01 < owl> *GRRRRRRRRr*
09:01 < LinuxDude> netrunner: it sounds complicated
09:01 < netrunner> owl: fetch the bone! ;)
09:02 < owl> fetch the DB-bosses, would be fitting better
09:02 < netrunner> LinuxDude: best is for the beginning to use scripts/Config and then add some custom package selection rules to the menupoint
09:02 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i still dont know what to download, i only see iso's there
09:03 < Q01> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/
09:03 < netrunner> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/rock-src-2.0.0-rc4.tar.bz2
09:04 < LinuxDude> k
09:05 < LinuxDude> netrunner: so i have to unpacking it on my gentoo's root partition right?
09:08 < netrunner> LinuxDude: to a directory you like :)
09:08 < LinuxDude> oki i should use root then
09:11 < LinuxDude> now i did ./scripts/Config
09:11 < LinuxDude> looks like a very nice proces to learn stuff
09:12 < LinuxDude> netrunner: desktop rock linux should be a nice choice?
09:16 < LinuxDude> The distribution you are building ROCK Linux on should also be ROCK Linux.
09:16 < LinuxDude> It is also possible to build ROCK Linux on other distributions, but don't expect
09:16 < LinuxDude> it to work without some hacking ...
09:16 < LinuxDude> netrunner: eh?
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09:19 < netrunner> LinuxDude: it means you need recent versions of some tools. if you get errors, you can ask here :)
09:19 < LinuxDude> hmmm
09:19 < LinuxDude> netrunner: 
09:19 < LinuxDude> well
09:19 < LinuxDude> the first step i should do is scripts/Download -all'
09:19 < netrunner> LinuxDude: since some time you are not strictly bound to devfs any more, that was an requirement earlier.
09:20 < LinuxDude> yeah i heard that to
09:20 < netrunner> LinuxDude: if you use desktop, a scripts/Download -required suffices.
09:20 < LinuxDude> bash-2.05b# scripts/Download -required suffices
09:20 < LinuxDude> INFO: Found cached mirror URL in download/Mirror:
09:20 < LinuxDude> INFO: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/ROCK/ROCK-2.0
09:20 < LinuxDude> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove download/Mirror.
09:20 < LinuxDude> Downloading download/base/linux24/linux-2.4.23.tar.bz2 ...
09:21 < LinuxDude> can i dont use 2.6.1?
09:21 < netrunner> LinuxDude: that suffices was part of my sentence :)
09:21 < netrunner> LinuxDude: 2.6 will also be built.
09:21 < LinuxDude> so i can choose
09:24 < owl> someone could answer me this question, please: where the fsck have i to pay the "verwaltungsgebuehr" for a "fahrpreisnacherhebung"?
09:25 < LinuxDude> netrunner: btw hes downloading stuff where are those tarballs located?
09:26 < netrunner> read it's output. he uses the closest mirror he can find.
09:27 < LinuxDude> i mean he download and put them in / ?
09:27 < netrunner> owl: just don't. they'll ask you to do if you don't. just my guess :)
09:27 < netrunner> LinuxDude: nope, to download/
09:27 < LinuxDude> ah
09:27 < LinuxDude> ok
09:29 < owl> netrunner: not really... i would have to pay 40 EUR, then... and if i show them my valid (!!!) ticket, i normally just have to pay 7 EUR (verwaltungsgebuehren)
09:29 < owl> --> problem: 3 people from DB, 3 answers... 
09:30 < netrunner> owl: go to your favourite station, let them give you a paper that you showed it, and if somebody asks the 40 from you just show him the paper :)
09:32 < owl> netrunner: haha. i was in weichering, in munich... still not in IN... 
09:32 < owl> .oO(they are such stupid assholes, you can't imagine)
09:32 < LinuxDude> netrunner: we have to create iso's to?
09:33 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i guess my system dont boots my gentoo system is fucked to? :)
09:36 < netrunner> owl: best is, as with the gov, to do everything by letters. or have papers signed so you can proove your position.
09:36 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can.
09:37 < owl> hmmm. yeah... 
09:37 < LinuxDude> i hope it works man
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09:38 < holyolli> moin
09:38 < owl> moin holyolli 
09:38 < holyolli> tach owl
09:38 < LinuxDude> netrunner: what ya mean whit step 6 : creating an iso?
09:39 < netrunner> LinuxDude: in step 6, you can create an iso. :)
09:39 < netrunner> hi holyolli 
09:39 < LinuxDude> not needed, right?
09:39 < LinuxDude> 'you can'
09:40 < holyolli> hi netrunner
09:40 < netrunner> LinuxDude: but comfortable :) 
09:40 < LinuxDude> damn, cd-writer dont works
09:41 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can move the build/yourconfig/root/* to a fresh partition and use it as your / 
09:41 < netrunner> (you could even mount that partition to build/yourconf/root before starting the build :)
09:42 < LinuxDude> errr, lemme say i only have a /boot, / and swap
09:42 * netrunner has never tried that and does not know if it works.
09:42 < LinuxDude> im not building it yet so some help before building would be great
09:42 < netrunner> LinuxDude: so you cannot use your / as you would destroy your host system :)
09:43 < LinuxDude> shit
09:43 < LinuxDude> so its impossible to installing it then
09:43 < netrunner> LinuxDude: shrink your / part and create a new partition :)
09:43 < LinuxDude> i never worked whit qtparted before
09:43 < netrunner> LinuxDude: without creating cd's it's a bit tricky :) 
09:43 * netrunner neither
09:44 < LinuxDude> i better should whait then :/
09:44 < LinuxDude> netrunner: is it ez doing same install whit floppys?
09:44 < netrunner> LinuxDude: I could think of another way ...
09:45 < LinuxDude> wich way? :)
09:45 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can boot the initrd of the bootdisk from your hd, then manually remove everything from your / except the rock-linux dir, then install everything. that 'should' work :)
09:46 < LinuxDude> and i dont have inet then
09:46 < LinuxDude> because my /etc is in / to
09:46 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can move it to eg /old :)
09:47 < LinuxDude> i will cping it
09:47 < netrunner> LinuxDude: use mv. if you do not have a clean /, you'll get a mixed system :)
09:48 < LinuxDude> netrunner: but if its failed i dont get a working system anymore
09:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can move it back.
09:48 < LinuxDude> not if i cant boot my system :)
09:48 < LinuxDude> because i have to reboot
09:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: when you just cp it, then install over the old, you get a bad mixture.
09:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: do not delete your /boot where the initrd is and everything is fine
09:49 < LinuxDude> my /boot is in / to
09:49 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you see, there _is_ a reason why one should have /boot in a seperate partition :)
09:49 < LinuxDude> yeah...
09:49 < LinuxDude> i agree'ing now
09:49 < netrunner> LinuxDude: but the same applies. just do not move your /boot away :)
09:50 < LinuxDude> errr, so complicated
09:50 < LinuxDude> lol
09:50 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you make it complicated by refusing to burn cds :)
09:50 < LinuxDude> errr tells me how many isos i need plz
09:50 < LinuxDude> i hope not all of them
09:51 < LinuxDude> because i got download restrictions
09:51 < netrunner> LinuxDude: for desktop it's 2 iirc. minimal fits on a half :)
09:51 < LinuxDude> netrunner: and for a minimal install?
09:53 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you always need all cds of a build, since packets are distributed alphabetically over the cds. linux kernel typically is on the 2nd.
09:53 < netrunner> LinuxDude: if you have a minimal build, it would fit on 1 cd and therefore you only need 1 :)
09:55 < LinuxDude> 1 cd eh
09:55 < LinuxDude> whitout X then
09:55 < netrunner> there's also a minimal+X, but I dunno how many cds it uses. owl?
09:56 < LinuxDude> compiling X isnt bad
09:56 < LinuxDude> after im using rock
09:56 < LinuxDude> give me that link plz :)
09:56 < netrunner> what link?
09:57 < LinuxDude> the iso link
09:57 < LinuxDude> minimal installation
09:58 < netrunner> hehe, I do not know if anybody has one available. though I could build you one, would be finished on sunday perhaps.
09:58 < LinuxDude> ok
09:58 < LinuxDude> thats cool
09:58 < netrunner> damnit, forgot to boot my build server this morning :/
09:58 < LinuxDude> anywa need to go
09:58 < owl> hrgrmpf. this gnucash-cvs-server is slooooooooooooow
09:58 < netrunner> LinuxDude: what cputype do you have?
09:58 < LinuxDude> p4
09:59 < LinuxDude> brb
10:02 < netrunner> LinuxDude: blindcoder could have up to date isos for that. ask him (on the ml perhaps)
10:03 < netrunner> LinuxDude: we did them for the congress.
10:05 < Q01> Hmm... I did "configure" but... I'd really like to find a text file to edit or something so it doesn't download and build a lot of packages. If I can't tweak conf/$Config_Name/packages can I tweak packages.txt ?
10:06 < netrunner> Q01: use a minimal package selection template (in the scripts/Config). then scripts/Download -required
10:06 < netrunner> Q01: it will then only download the minimal amount of packages :)
10:07 < rxr> re
10:07 < netrunner> hi rxr, read the mail about the handbook.pdf?
10:08 < holyolli> moin rxr
10:08 < rxr> netrunner: just arrived at home ...
10:10 < netrunner> rxr: ah, ok. it gives a forbidden :)
10:11 < Q01> Hmm.... I'm really curious about how it goes about the process of selecting them in the first place.
10:11 < owl> BWAAAAAAH!!! how loud can someone talk?! ~!#.$a$$
10:12 < netrunner> owl: apparently as loud as you can write.
10:13 < owl> nah. i'm having my soundcard quite loud (1/2 of pcm and 1/2 of master) - and still can hear him talking
10:14 < LinuxDude> ya all developers in here?
10:14 < netrunner> owl: try muting your soundcard, maybe that helps :)
10:15 < netrunner> LinuxDude: what is a developer? I just developed a certain amount of hunger :)
10:15 < owl> nah *g* it's outside of the PC :p
10:15 < LinuxDude> netrunner: well ya know ... rock developers
10:15 < owl> noise done by my "beloved project manager" called "marcel" --> someone who can only do one thing well - asking dumb questions
10:16 < LinuxDude> netrunner: if i want to take a risc, can i just doing it right now? on my / ? :-)
10:19 < owl> "schizophrener projectmanager"? -- talking to himself! O_o
10:19 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you have to build it first anyway. just do not try and simply move the build/root/* to /, that would to bad :)
10:24 < Q01> Hmm.. "minimal" includes DIETLIBC? (Do I need this?)
10:26 < rxr> netrunner: just fixing the handbook access right problem
10:27 < rxr> LinuxDude: nope - only a few ROCK developers are around here
10:28 < LinuxDude> ok
10:28 < LinuxDude> brb
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10:31 < rxr> netrunner: fixed
10:31 < rxr> should work now
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10:39 < holyolli> rxr: btw. got my mail with the correct patch?
10:46 < rxr> jups
10:47 < holyolli> sorry for the error in the first one..
10:59 < jsaw> re for a couple of seconds
11:00 < jsaw> rxr: povray35 cksum seems to be back to rev 1872... this looks really strange!
11:03 < jsaw> rxr: download location for sirkull/clamav: http://download.sf.net/clamav/
11:04 < owl> wb jsaw 
11:04 < jsaw> hi owl
11:04 < jsaw> but I have to disappear now again...
11:04 < rxr> jsaw: thanks
11:04 < rxr> jsaw: cu
11:05 * jsaw has to run to work now
11:05 < jsaw> cu tonight!
11:05 < holyolli> cu jsaw
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11:08 < clifford> *rotfl*  ->  http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp
11:08 < owl> hi clifford 
11:09 < rxr> hi clifford 
11:09 < holyolli> hi clifford
11:09 < rxr> clifford: noticed this days ago ..
11:10 < clifford> hi all.
11:10 < rxr> would submitting this as user link raise our google rank even further? ;-)
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11:10 < clifford> hmmm.... ;-)
11:12 < clifford> done.
11:12 < clifford> with the title "ROTFL: Microsoft tells us the truth about Linux ..."
11:13 < rxr> ;-)
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11:24 < praenti> hi
11:26 < owl> hi praenti 
11:28 < clifford> hi "obstli"  ;-)
11:28 < praenti> obstli?
11:29 < praenti> i only know obsti, cause everybody say that to me...
11:29 < praenti> but obstli...
11:29 < clifford> we did talk about that on ccc - u remember?
11:29 < praenti> :-)
11:29 < holyolli> hi praenti
11:29 < Q01> Is dietlibc just used for rescue/boot disks, or will all of it have to be linked with it?
11:30 < praenti> ahh. ok. i think i remember
11:31 < praenti> i hope that i have enough time next week to test a little bit submaster :-)
11:32 < praenti> i will write my first exam in about 12 days :-(
11:34 < praenti> and on 19th we have to organize a demonstration against the savings in the education...
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11:34 < holyolli> in bremen there were already a lot of demonstrations and 'streiks'
11:36 < clifford> http://www.nluug.nl/events/sane2004/   .. I've now sent an abstract about sumbaster. If they accept it, I will also do a BOF on ROCK Linux.
11:36 < praenti> ok. i will leave now for hunting some lunch in the mensa.
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11:37 < praenti> cu later
11:37 < holyolli> cu praenti
11:41 < rxr> ;cu
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11:55 < daja77> moin
11:55 < owl> moin
11:58 < daja77> hi owl
12:00 < holyolli> moin daja77
12:05 * mnemoc hate CLIP developer :\
12:05 < daja77> clip?
12:05 < mnemoc> moin daja77, owl, holyloli
12:05 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
12:05 < daja77> *notetoneverhugmnemocagain*
12:06 < mnemoc> :)
12:06 < mnemoc> brb
12:15 < holyolli> moin mnemoc
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13:02 < holyolli> cya
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13:12 < netrunne1> re
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13:40 < Q01> Grrr... unsupported version of bash. :-/
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14:18 < Q01> Would the paranoia checks detect a missing bzcat ? (if it's even needed)
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17:52 < daja77> http://fun.drno.de/pics/poser.jpg
17:52 < rolla> bad link :(
17:53 < daja77> why
17:53 < rolla> it does not come up
17:54 < daja77> it does here
17:55 < rolla> must be nie 
17:55 < rolla> /nie/nice
17:55 < daja77> just a funny pic
17:56 < rolla> :)
17:58 < daja77> does this link http://www.tu-chmenitz.de/~jahre/poser.jpg work for you?
17:59 < netrunner> Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.tu-chmenitz.de 
17:59 < daja77> jaja
17:59 < netrunner> ah, typo :)
17:59 < daja77> typo
18:00 < netrunner> hehehe :) works.
18:00 < daja77> http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/poser.jpg
18:00 < netrunner> could be my brother .)
18:00 < daja77> *grmpf*
18:00 < daja77> hehe
18:00 < rolla> ha ha 
18:00 < rxr> cytrinox: you look for package definitions?
18:01 < rxr> ah damn cybrjackle2 even ..
18:01 < cytrinox> h?
18:01 < cytrinox> ah :)
18:03 < netrunner> rxr: he quit. flaky connection :)
18:04 < rolla> :)
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18:54 < netrunner> argl, now I have to synch my work to my laptop so I can continue working while cooking. a curse, to have so many computers.
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18:59 < rolla> :)
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19:20 < fuzzie> gre - greetings
19:25 < fuzzie> is there already an iso image of rock linux 2.0.0-rc4 available for download? i'm to lazy to build one myself :) i would need it for a server..
19:42 < netrunner> fuzzie: there are builds of some version before -rc4 ... what optimazion do you need?
19:43 < rxr> hi
19:43 < fuzzie> its an amd athlon processor..
19:43 < rxr> does s.o. has a RedHat box arround?
19:43 < rxr> I would need a user account for a couple of minutes to verify a system header oddity ...
19:43 < fuzzie> but ive tried rc2, there seams to be a problem with lvm (logical volume management)
19:43 < netrunner> rxr: jup, a psyche box here (gf)
19:43 < fuzzie> after booting it didnt find /dev/volumes any more..
19:44 < fuzzie> so i wanted to try rc4
19:44 < netrunner> rxr: mom, I'll try to boot it and forward ssh ... could take a couple of minutes.
19:44 < rxr> netrunner: could I login for some tiny "user" test
19:44 < rxr> cool thanks
20:06 < daja77> re
20:11 < netrunner> erm ... !> Making post-install adaptions.
20:11 < netrunner> !> Found shared files with other packages:
20:11 < netrunner> !> boot/System.map: linux24 linux26
20:11 < netrunner> !> boot/initrd.img: linux24 linux26
20:11 < netrunner> !> sbin/mkinitrd: linux24 linux26
20:11 < netrunner> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-linux26.out -> 9-linux26.err
20:12 < daja77> O_o
20:14 < netrunner> hm. $default means "this is the default config"?
20:15 < rxr> defautl means default kernel
20:16 < netrunner> rxr: ah, has that changed recently to 2.6? I scripts/Build-Pkg ed linux26 on an older system.
20:20 < rxr> nope
20:20 < rxr> maybe you selected it in the config
20:21 < rxr> or you deselected linux24* ...
20:21 < rxr> netrunner: can you install libcap-devel on the redhat box ? ;-)
20:21 < rxr> ftp.redhat.com does not let me get it ...
20:21 < rxr> :-(
20:21 < daja77> which rh?
20:24 < daja77> use a mirror
20:24 < daja77> http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/
20:28 < rxr> daja77: thanks
20:46 < netrunner> re. rxr: still need my help?
20:47 < rxr> netrunner: maybe I'm finished
20:50 < netrunner> rxr: so I can close the account?
20:52 < daja77> guess there was a when missing
20:52 < netrunner> ah :)
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20:55 < rxr> netrunner: yes - I think so
20:56 < rxr> netrunner: when I need to take another look I ask again ;-)
20:56 < rxr> netrunner: thanks
21:29 < tcr> rxr: http://www.rlforum.org/index.php?p_lng=&p_days=10000&p_cmd=entry&p_entry=21
21:37 < rxr> tcr: thanks
21:38 < tcr> rxr: no problem, just stumpled upon that myself why checking out the distro watch link ;) And thought @mac, that may be interesting :)
21:38 < tcr> s,why,while,
21:40 < daja77> mac, arm is zaurus and stuff
21:45 < tcr> daja77, yea, but look at that guy's mail address, dude :)
21:46 < daja77> mac.com != apple, right?
21:48 < tcr> eh?
21:50 < daja77> ok, but you can get a mail address there without being an apple employee
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21:51 < daja77> apple is a provider O_o
21:51 < tcr> daja77, uhm I never heard that (not saying that it's false, just very suspicous IMHO) .. nevertheless I know two *very highly* skilled people who do have a @mac.com address too :)
21:52 < daja77> http://www.mac.com/1/mac_faq.html
21:54 < daja77>     * Publish iCal calendars online and share with friends and family 
21:54 < daja77> nice
21:59 < daja77> Q: If my .Mac trial or full account expires, what happens to my data? 
21:59 < daja77> har har
21:59 < daja77> ok their are mac ppl involved ...
22:01 < tcr> Btw do you have some scheduler problems with 2.6 too?
22:01 < tcr> in comparasion to 2.4, that's it
22:02 < daja77> can't tell, had other problems with 2.6 so far
22:03 < tcr> Well for example if I open an xterm and run svn up on the rock src tree, then switching the tab (so xterm isn't in foreground) and sometimes the cursor is chuckling etc
22:04 < tcr> I can't recall of having had the same feeling with 2.4; well maybe I'm a bit biased, don't know.... Just wonder, cuz the scheduler et al got reworked in 2.5 days, so I actually expected better results
22:04 < daja77> havent got it working so far ^^
22:05 < tcr> Maybe I selected some options which I should have...
22:05 < tcr> Wee, what's your problem?
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22:09 < daja77> acpi
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22:48 < mnemoc> re all
22:54 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
22:56 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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23:17 < daja77> mnemoc!
23:18 < mnemoc> [daja77]!! 
23:18 < mnemoc> (read as *hug* ;-)
23:19 < rxr> why is fixing broken C header fluff and ugly packaged software keeping me so busy - damn crap
23:20 < mnemoc> i2c/matrox?
23:20 < rxr> looked into this too
23:20 < rxr> but linux24*, libcap, samba, ffmpeg, vlc is alreadyenought
23:21 < mnemoc> puaj
23:23 < daja77> rxr: that's what i think sometimes too
23:24 < rxr> weee vlc finally compiled
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23:25 * mnemoc gives a glass of vodka to rxr to celebrate
23:26 < mnemoc> daja77: join us? ;)
23:27 < daja77> have no vodka
23:27 * mnemoc gives a glass of vodka and a cookie to daja :)
23:28 < daja77> cool thx
23:31 < mnemoc> how cold is there?
23:31 < rxr> around 0C (I guess)
23:32 < daja77> 2C here
23:32 < mnemoc> we have 32C now :\ ... /me cheers with cold beer :)
23:34 < daja77> have fun
23:34 < rxr> I could place my digital thermometer outside and report more exact how cold it is ;-) ...
23:35 < mnemoc> i like around 16C... can't work with hot air
23:35 < rxr> mnemoc: me too ;-)
23:36 < mnemoc> digital thermometer??? :|
23:36 < mnemoc> weather.com :)
23:38 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/regtest/reference/
23:38 < rxr> ^- updated
23:38 < rxr> error% is now: 1.050621
23:39 < rxr> 22 errors left
23:39 < daja77> btw my rc5 build is quite fine, guess installing it will be fun
23:39 < rxr> and this night the python paragui shared file thing should get fixed, too
23:40 < rxr> daja77: I think for -rc5 we will get patch will rename cron.d to cron.daily
23:40 < rxr> (due to the cron update)
23:40 < rxr> this will require all packages with cron.d files to be rebuild
23:40 < rxr> (5 or 6 or so - incl. xfree86 ...)
23:40 < rxr> :-(
23:40 < daja77> well what if i don't have that patch
23:41 < mnemoc> outch
23:41 * mnemoc sorry for updating cron :(
23:41 < rxr> daja77: it is not yet applied
23:41 < rxr> daja77: I want to investigate this deeply ...
23:41 < daja77> so if i don't svn up it should be no problem
23:42 < daja77> thing is i don't want a rc4 with broken pcmcia, primary test targets are laptops ...
23:42 < rxr> just that the installation will have a cron deamon that complains about syntax errors every 5 minutes into the syslog ...
23:42 < rxr> the patch is at:
23:42 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?u=guest&p=guest
23:42 < rxr> but I need to read cron source before I apply it ...
23:43 < rxr> ok - me taking a nightly shower and then I take a look into the shard files stuff of python vs. paragui ...
23:45 < daja77> well if the rebuild of 5 packages should be ok as well
23:45 < mnemoc> rxr: prefix change of postgresql had side effects to... i'll send you a patch for php as soon as i get my smtp working :(
23:46 < daja77> grrrr
23:47 < mnemoc> :'(
23:47 * mnemoc kicks mnemoc
23:47 < daja77> hehe may I join?
23:48 < mnemoc> sure :)
23:48 * daja77 kicking mnemoc for fun
23:48 < mnemoc> two for cron, one for pgsql
23:49 < daja77> *ONE*
23:49 < daja77> *TWO*
23:49 < daja77> *THREE*
23:49 < daja77> and two more cos I want it :p
23:49 < mnemoc> ouch :(
23:49 * daja77 grabs mnemoc's beer
23:50 < mnemoc> :o
23:50 < mnemoc> that's not fair
23:50 < daja77> i know
23:50 < daja77> it is unfair cos i don't like beer
23:50 < daja77> stealing jolt from mike is more fun ^^
23:51 < daja77> *gnutellatret*
23:51 < mnemoc> my english is not good enought to fight back :(
23:52 < daja77> oh
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