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00:38 < rxr> cu
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00:50 < netrunner> cu rxr
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02:05 < lowks_> does rock have a package manager ala apt-get 
02:14 < netrunner> lowks_: jup. called mine. 
02:14 < lowks_> netrunner: is it easy to use ?
02:14 < netrunner> lowks_: feel free to read the handbook linked in on www.rocklinux.org, it will answer lots of your questions :)
02:14 < netrunner> lowks_: depends on your flavour of easy :)
02:15 < lowks_> netrunner: well i just want the package manager to keep my apps up to date without me having to worry about it
02:16 < netrunner> lowks_: you can update your sources, and then update your system. that works :=)
02:16 < netrunner> n8 
02:16 < lowks_> currently using sorcerer
02:17 < lowks_> always had this thing for sourced-based-distros
02:17 < lowks_> =)
02:45 < lowks_> netrunner: is rock hard to install from your experience ?
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03:23 < fake> hui
03:23 < fake> sweet knockout of pro7
03:23 < fake> ... someone just lost his job it seems.
03:25 < fake> maybe the sender was bombed... 
03:25 * fake cruel imagination
03:27 < fake> poor night techie
03:33 < fake> hm. back. 20 minutes...
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06:34 < _MadTux_> moin.
06:46 < owl_> hi _MadTux_ 
06:46 < owl_> how are you?
06:48 < _MadTux_> hi owlita
06:48 < _MadTux_> doing ok, and yourself ?
06:48 < owl_> can't look out of my eyes. thx. 
06:49 < _MadTux_> mm?
06:50 < owl_> <-- extremely tired (because of sleeping about 2 hours or so. - because of "had to clean up the room")
06:50 < _MadTux_> why?
06:51 < _MadTux_> couldn't u just do it someother time without sacrificing ur sleep?
06:51 < owl_> nope. because i don't have much time during the weeks
06:51 < _MadTux_> i see.
06:51 < owl_> aaaarghs. the light is flickering O_o
06:51 < _MadTux_> busy girl :)
06:51 < owl_> *hrhr*
06:53 < owl_> btw, we (true and /me) should open a zoo - we already have: 2 budgies (+ a 3rd at my "home"), 1 hamster - and will normally buy a 2nd hamster today... (for true) , and will have - maybe sooner or later - one or two horses... (rent or buy...)
06:54 < _MadTux_> horses?!?! 
06:54 < owl_> yeah. why?
06:54 < _MadTux_> OMG.. 
06:54 < _MadTux_> i just asume u have plenty of space at your place
06:54 < owl_> hehehehehe
06:54 < _MadTux_> Oh! dump me.. of course you live in the forest..
06:54 * _MadTux_ hides
06:55 < owl_> still. yes. but might - we will move - to spain, to berlin, to somewhere else at least - it's just a question of time
06:55 < _MadTux_> CR CR :)
06:55 < owl_> hehe :p where we life now (at rainer's home) the woods are not far away :p
06:55 < owl_> hehe. maybe mallorca/spain ;) 
06:55 < _MadTux_> no no, CR :)
06:55 < owl_> that would be great... ;) 
06:56 < owl_> hehe :p we will see :p
06:56 < _MadTux_> yeah :)
06:56 < _MadTux_> I promise u will love it here if u come :)
06:57 < owl_> what would be great: 1) having a flat/house at mallorca, 2) having a computer-shop/company/inet-cafe/whatever, 3) having a business where people can rent horses for riding out with them and so... all on mallorca or so ;)
06:57 < owl_> hehe thx. 
06:58 < _MadTux_> u seem to be in love with mallorca
06:59 < owl_> yeah. there are two places in the world (places i already visited) which i like so much, that i feel something like "at home" there: mallorca and berlin :p
06:59 < _MadTux_> :)
07:00 < _MadTux_> a good friend of mine lives in berlin :)
07:00 < _MadTux_> actually two, a girl named Sarah, and my good friend Rene Rebe :)
07:01 < owl_> hehe ;) whois sarah?
07:01 < _MadTux_> just a girl i've known for several years now
07:01 < _MadTux_> :)
07:02 < owl_> hehe. let me guess - know by inet?
07:02 < _MadTux_> nope.
07:02 < _MadTux_> Personally
07:02 < _MadTux_> she comes over here every year to visit her family
07:02 < owl_> O_o wow. so she's from CR?
07:03 < _MadTux_> nope, some of her family moved from deutschland to CR
07:03 < _MadTux_> she was borned in Austria though.
07:03 < owl_> omfg. international mix :p
07:03 < _MadTux_> yeah..
07:05 < _MadTux_> well think of me ... I've got Spanish, Irish, and CR blood..
07:05 < _MadTux_> u could call me a weird mix
07:06 < owl_> hehe. i have polish, austrian, german, hungarian blood :p
07:06 < nookie> _MadTux_
07:06 < _MadTux_> omfg
07:06 < nookie> hi owl
07:07 < _MadTux_> n00kie boy!
07:07 < owl_> hi nookie 
07:07 < owl_> why omfg? :p
07:07 < _MadTux_> just chocked :)
07:07 < _MadTux_> shocked*
07:08 < owl_> hehe :p .oO(at least those ar the nationalities my grandpas, grandmas and parents are from... but i don't know if the parents from my grandmas and grandpas have other nationalities and so)
07:08 < _MadTux_> hehe
07:09 < owl_> you?
07:10 < _MadTux_> well i don't know, haven't get too involved in that stuff..
07:11 < _MadTux_> u know I'm not exactly the kind of person that is always close to his family to spend time or talk
07:11 < owl_> yeah. 
07:12 < _MadTux_> i guess u are kind of that way too
07:12 < owl_> yep
07:13 < _MadTux_> owly query please
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08:29 < holyolli> moin
08:29 < owl_> hi holyolli 
08:29 < holyolli> moin owl
08:49 < rxr> re
08:49 < holyolli> moin rxr
08:49 < owl_> hi rxr 
08:50 < holyolli> http://www.unf-unf.de/pics/kunde.jpg <-- sorry..only german, but nice ;)
08:52 < SMP> http://vivien.franken.de/images/geeky/systemsdesign.jpg <- same in English
08:52 < holyolli> ah *g*
08:52 < holyolli> moin smp
08:53 < owl_> hi SMP 
08:53 < netrunner> moin
08:53 < owl_> hi netrunner 
08:53 < holyolli> moin netrunner
09:02 * holyolli is going to school...cya
09:02 < owl_> bye holyolli 
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09:13 < netrunner> moin
09:13 < netrunner> oh, already moined here ;)
09:13 * netrunner just had 5h sleep :/
09:13 < owl_> 5h of sleep??? *grrr* *kick*
09:13 < owl_> <- had 2 hours
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09:56 < rxr> 1cu
10:39 < blindcoder> moin
10:39 < blindcoder> 7 hours :)
10:40 < owl_> hi blindcoder 
10:41 < owl_> .oO(he's monitoring #rocklinux for the word "sleep*"?)
10:42 < blindcoder> that, and some others :)
10:42 < owl_> hehe. e.g.? *vbeg*
10:43 < blindcoder> sex ;)
10:44 < owl_> *lol*
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12:24 < owl_> *yawn*
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12:57 < jsaw> re
13:08 * blindcoder eating some sushi ^^
13:28 < mnemoc> moin
13:32 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
13:33 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
13:33 < mnemoc> was that case on ppp_optionthe only way?
13:34 < jsaw> hmmm, do u have a better idea?
13:43 < mnemoc> no :)
13:44 < mnemoc> and i want pppoe included asap ;)
13:44 < jsaw> :( and :)
13:44 < mnemoc> =)
13:44 < mnemoc> a better idea can come later
13:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: add it to submaster
13:51 < jsaw> mnemoc: didn't had the time to look at it. Is there a jump-start howto somewhere?
13:51 < mnemoc> sort of
13:52 < mnemoc> but you can add the patch even if it's not created by submaster
13:52 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi
13:52 < jsaw> k, will have a look tonight.
13:52 < mnemoc> :)
13:53 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html <--- a sort of howto
13:53 < jsaw> oh, that looks good (smadm.cgi)!
14:10 < rolla> re
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14:14 < mnemoc> re rolla 
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14:30 < rolla> hallo mnemoc 
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14:48 < rolla> netrunner: you have issues with qt?
14:48 < netrunner> rolla: jup. it does not build its sql drivers, and I need them.
14:49 < rolla> :(
14:49 < netrunner> rolla: I added some pkgcheck and confopt stuff, now trying :)
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14:54 < holyolli> moin
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15:32 < cytrinox`> moin
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16:11 < netrunner> *yes* :)
16:11 < daja77> hm?
16:19 < rolla> netrunner: you got it working?
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16:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: ping
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16:34 < netrunner> rolla: sure :)
16:35 * netrunner fetching some capuccino.
16:40 < jsaw> mnemoc: pong
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16:53 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
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17:10 < mnemoc> jsaw: re
17:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: take to look to addcode up 5... there are two echos undercover =)
17:25 * netrunner remembers he cooked water for the cappucino and walks back to the kitchen.
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17:29 < mnemoc> bbl
17:32 < jsaw> mnemoc: oh oh, that was for testing, thanks.
17:33 < jsaw> me also bbl
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18:07 < MadTux> moin 
18:22 < rolla> re MadTux 
18:22 < MadTux> greetings Joel :)
18:33 < daja77> MadTux!
18:33 < MadTux> Daniel :)
18:34 < daja77> :)
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18:42 * A-Tui is away: at the school :)
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19:42 < tcr> jsaw, ping
19:42 < tcr> moin all
19:55 < daja77> re
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20:08 < cybrjackle|work1> hello
20:08 < cybrjackle|work1> I'm still reading through the handbook, just install drock today and I'm wondering is it possible to check updates for the whole system from an ftp dir?
20:11 < MadTux> not yet.
20:11 < cybrjackle|work1> MadTux, talking to me?
20:11 < MadTux> yeah.
20:12 < holyolli> re
20:12 < daja77> re holyolli 
20:12 < holyolli> huhu daja77 :)
20:13 < cybrjackle|work1> ok so rocklinux doesn't  allow the ability to do online updates right?
20:13 < MadTux> not currently, at least not like fedora, suse or debian
20:14 < MadTux> though it should be includded hopefully sometime this year
20:14 < cybrjackle|work1> so how do you move up through the tree when security fix's or updates in general are done?
20:15 < cybrjackle|work1> I'm just wieghing out advanatage/disadvantages compared to gentoo/slack & rock
20:15 < daja77> you could update it like gentoo
20:15 < cybrjackle|work1> how so
20:15 * cybrjackle|work1 is sorry still reading handbook
20:16 < MadTux> :)
20:16 < MadTux> cybrjackle|work1, its ok feel free to ask.
20:16 < daja77> scripts/Update-Src & scripts/Emerge-Pkg
20:16 < MadTux> cybrjackle|work1, daja77 is one of the rock develpers
20:17 < daja77> MadTux too
20:17 < daja77> :p
20:17 < netrunner> happy developer outing ;)
20:17 < daja77> seems so
20:18 < daja77> we all now have a look at *netrunner*
20:18 * netrunner hides behind a rock
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20:19 < cybrjackle|work1> gnome-2.4 panel and terminal keep crashing so I had to switch to kde
20:20 < cybrjackle|work1> that's what brought me to wondering about updates
20:20 * daja77 switched to kde and still uses it
20:20 < cybrjackle|work1> did gnome crash for you or just a kde user
20:20 < cybrjackle|work1> ;)
20:21 < daja77> it crashes and it sucks, since 2.2 iirc
20:21 < MadTux> brb
20:22 < cybrjackle|work1> hum, i never have prob with 2.4 in slackware, is it rocklinux specific?
20:23 < daja77> no
20:23 < cybrjackle|work1> sorry, in no way am i trying to bash rock or look like an idiot
20:23 < cybrjackle|work1> I'm just trying to figure out why it's crashing
20:24 < cybrjackle|work1> this is running nice on this p3@733 test box I have
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20:25 < daja77> to be honest o forgot which parts crashed, but seeing the buld errors of that messy code all the time, made me think different anyway
20:25 < daja77> grrrr
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20:25 < cybrjackle|work1> sorry about that, my work firewall likes to boot me off often ;-)
20:26 < daja77> to be honest o forgot which parts crashed, but seeing the buld errors of that messy code all the time, made me think different anyway
20:26 < cybrjackle|work1> hope you all will deal with it, just like my questions!
20:26 < daja77> we/jsaw do/does ;-)
20:26 < cybrjackle|work1> so daja77 if i want to do some online updateing, how do i do it?
20:27 < daja77> you will find this in the handbook i hope :)
20:27 < tcr> eew, mathematica is proprietary
20:27 < cybrjackle|work1> ./scripts/Download -package xemacs
20:27 < cybrjackle|work1> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep xemacs
20:28 < cybrjackle|work1> these i take it
20:28 < tcr> does a free alternative exist?
20:28 < daja77> waah no -dep
20:28 < cybrjackle|work1> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse3.html
20:28 < daja77> just scripts/Emerge-Pkg xemacs
20:28 < cybrjackle|work1> that's were I'm at now
20:28 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: Emerge-Pkg does the download for you
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20:28 < daja77> -dep is broken
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20:29 < cybrjackle|work1> mnemoc, thx
20:29 * cybrjackle|work1 hates his firewall @ work
20:33 < mnemoc> (hi daja77, tcr)
20:34 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
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20:35 < MadTux> loco-mnemoc hi :)
20:36 < holyolli> *lol*
20:36 < holyolli> hi mnemoc
20:37 < cybrjackle|work1> Can I ask one favor?
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20:38 < mnemoc> MadTux: jrññp
20:39 < daja77> O_o
20:39 < mnemoc> ehm... << 1 
20:39 < mnemoc> hello
20:39 < holyolli> daja77: he probably just forgot the 'vokale'... ;-)
20:39 < daja77> rofl he right shiftet
20:40 < daja77> shifted
20:40 < mnemoc> :)
20:40 < holyolli> hebbo?
20:40 < holyolli> .oO(doesn't make sense...)
20:40 < mnemoc> in your keyboard
20:41 < daja77> ron chile keyboard perhpas
20:41 < daja77> argl!
20:41 < mnemoc> hello in minr
20:41 < daja77> minr?
20:41 < holyolli> mnemoc: i just have dvorak-layout
20:41 < mnemoc> mine
20:41 < daja77> has .cl a layout of its own?
20:42 < mnemoc> dvorak.. that shit only exists in enciclopedias ;)
20:42 < holyolli> mnemoc ;-P
20:42 < daja77> hehe
20:42 < mnemoc> spanish ttraditional or latinoamerican
20:42 < daja77> ic
20:42 < holyolli> .oO(with some nice dancing girls on it...latino even... ;-)
20:42 < holyolli> sorry...was just dreaming...;)
20:43 < daja77> no not on the keyboard ...
20:43 < MadTux> holyolli, well u will be here soon, so your dreams may come true
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20:43 < holyolli> MadTux: *rrrrr* ;-)
20:43 < MadTux> :)
20:43 * daja77 wondering if mnemoc has a chicks gallery on his page :D
20:44 < mnemoc> nope :\
20:44 < mnemoc> i don't have pics of my daughterneither...
20:44 < daja77> hmpf have to go to .cl and fotograph them myself i guess
20:44 < mnemoc> even... i don't have a homepage :(
20:44 < rolla> mnemoc: you have a daughter?
20:44 < daja77> just a domain?
20:45 < mnemoc> 1.9
20:45 < daja77> what about your second?
20:45 < holyolli> O_o uneven number of children...how?
20:45 < mnemoc> daja77: many domains, with emial... no html :\
20:45 < daja77> guess i asked that a hundred times before
20:45 < mnemoc> feb 8
20:45 < rolla> mnemoc: that is cool how old is she?
20:46 < daja77> :)
20:46 < mnemoc> 3 on march
20:46 < rolla> wow
20:46 < mnemoc> and 0 on feb 8
20:46 < rolla> :)
20:46 < mnemoc> =)
20:46 < holyolli> uiii
20:46 < rolla> my son is 16 months right now
20:47 < tcr> mnemoc, you can predict the birthday?
20:47 < mnemoc> tcr: the doctor can :
20:47 < mnemoc> )
20:47 < daja77> +-10 days i guess
20:47 < mnemoc> rolla: running around the house?
20:47 < rolla> yes
20:47 < rolla> he is sick right now
20:48 < mnemoc> :\
20:48 < tcr> Aren't we all, in some way?
20:48 < rolla> yes
20:48 < mnemoc> insane != sick
20:48 < daja77> nope what you mean is called weird
20:48 < mnemoc> ;=
20:48 < daja77> ;-)
20:48 * cybrjackle|work1 is away: bbl
20:48 < tcr> Well, does english actually make any big difference there?
20:49 < daja77> yes ...
20:49 < mnemoc> ill != sick != insane
20:49 < tcr> still, it seems rolla understood me at once
20:49 < daja77> because he knows you are ...
20:49 < mnemoc> :)
20:51 < tcr> daja77, dict says sick can also mean insane and mad
20:51 < tcr> so what
20:51 < tcr> :P
20:51 < daja77> .oO (noone likes a smartass...)
20:51 < mnemoc> then tcr is tellsing that rolla's child is mad?
20:52 < rolla> tcr you are very much correct
20:52 < rolla> he is nuts as well
20:52 < mnemoc> :o
20:52 < daja77> hehehe
20:52 < rolla> for once I can be the authority on the english langauge :)
20:53 < daja77> haha but a typo :p
20:53 < mnemoc> we may sound pretty funny for english speakers
20:53 < rolla> no you are not bad 
20:53 < tcr> rolla, teach him german words
20:54 < rolla> there are some english speakers that are worse
20:54 < tcr> me
20:54 < rolla> tcr: was?
20:54 < daja77> kinder füttern
20:55 < rolla> daja77: that doesn't make sense
20:55 < tcr> rolla, teach him german proverbs like "Morgenstund hat Gold im Mund" (I can't translate it litterally, but basically it means that getting up early in the morning is often a very good thing)
20:55 < daja77> why not?
20:55 < rolla> children feed?
20:56 < mnemoc> translators sucks
20:56 < daja77> to feed children
20:56 < tcr> rolla, in german there's a much looser word order, we can put objects before the predicat in many circumstances
20:57 < rolla> tcr your saying is the early bird gets worm
20:57 < mnemoc> spanish rules complexity there
20:57 < daja77> rolla: nope that would be: der frühe vogel fängt den wurm
20:58 < rolla> tcr I took 3 years of german so I know some but It is mostly lost
20:58 < rolla> daja77: I think it is rought translation
20:58 < tcr> daja77, but it means about the same
20:58 < rolla> damn babelfish
20:58 < daja77> nope this is indeed a proverb
20:58 < holyolli> *lol* altavista's babelfish is really funny...for those germans: translate 'hail to the king' to german...
20:58 < mnemoc> you can't *tranlate* a proverb
20:59 < daja77> yep
20:59 < rolla> yup
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20:59 < rolla> but they try and make it more confusing
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20:59 < tcr> lol holyolli
20:59 < daja77> you can only learn matching proverbs
21:00 < daja77> like i had to do in my english classes at university
21:00 < rolla> yeah
21:00 < tcr> Hmm, did you have to take english, daja77?
21:00 < rolla> daja77: what is literal translation
21:00 < tcr> rolla: of what?
21:00 < rolla> Morgenstund is the word I have trouble with
21:01 < tcr> Morgen = morning, stund[e] = hour
21:01 < daja77> an early hour of the day
21:01 < mnemoc> german is a mess :\
21:01 < tcr> beginning of the day (when the sun rises)
21:01 < jsaw> dusk
21:01 < rolla> so early morning has gold in it.
21:02 < rolla> I see
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21:02 < daja77> hmpf
21:02 < tcr> rolla, Yeah (whereby Mund is mouth, but that's just there to make it a rhyme (stund' <-> mund)
21:02 < rolla> :)
21:03 < daja77> mnemoc: yes as well as english which is actually a wilder mix of languages than german
21:03 < tcr> mnemoc, hehe, yeah it's so damn difficult that many germans (including me) don't get it right themselves
21:03 < rolla> daja77: english is simple ;)
21:03 < jsaw> btw, "morgenstund hat gold im mund" = "the early bird catches the fly"
21:03 < holyolli> ./topic ROCK Linux(r) - worldwide communication. anywhere. anytime. anyplace.(tm)
21:03 < holyolli> ;-)
21:03 < rolla> fly???!!??
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21:04 < daja77> rolla: it was simplified just because of that
21:04 < mnemoc> rotfl
21:04 < rolla> :)
21:04 < daja77> btw british english is _not_ simple
21:04 < mnemoc> birds do not eat flies
21:04 < holyolli> ?
21:04 < holyolli> they do
21:04 < mnemoc> at least not here
21:04 < daja77> lol
21:05 < rolla> well american pharse is worm so I will stick with that
21:05 < holyolli> mnemoc: there are only hummingbirds in chile?
21:05 < daja77> worm fits better
21:05 < rolla> daja77: what is hard about british english
21:06 * mnemoc votes for worm
21:06 < daja77> there are special expression you have to use when communication to special ppl and stuff like that
21:06 < daja77> forgot most of that stuff 
21:06 < rolla> ???
21:06 < rolla> daja77: and german doesn't
21:07 < daja77> at least my british english teacher had a way to show us that we don't know much about that language
21:07 < daja77> rolla: of course, same origin :D
21:07 < mnemoc> holyolli: big birds eat mice, rats and rabits (here)
21:07 < holyolli> oh.
21:07 < daja77> old english text is not much different from old german
21:08 < daja77> but they are both different from today's languages
21:08 < tcr> rolla: Well, not sure what the queen would say when you speak to her as "old fat mommy!"
21:08 < daja77> that was not what i meant
21:08 < daja77> then you are just misbehaving
21:09 < tcr> Guess what german is the origin of english
21:09 < daja77> only one origin
21:09 < tcr> Not entirely but a very huge part
21:10 < mnemoc> german is *very* important in english but the *the* origin
21:10 < tcr> However, I'm talking about nothern old german
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21:10 < daja77> mnemoc: one origin
21:10 < daja77> omg javito is writing to ml
21:10 < mnemoc> i miss a 'not'
21:11 < daja77> lol
21:11 < daja77> no he did
21:11 < rolla> tcr yes but I can call a woman a woman and not get slapped like in germany
21:11 < daja77> you got?
21:11 < cybrjackle|work1> back
21:12 < cybrjackle|work1> What does the  ./Download -package look at, 
21:12 < holyolli> rolla: well..in the .us, you get into jail for it...or at least you have to deal with her lawyer... ;-)
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21:12 < rolla> no but you have all your different greetings if you know them well formal
21:12 < daja77> just a few
21:12 < mnemoc> cytrinox: package/*/$pkg/$pkg.desc
21:12 < mnemoc> aarg..
21:12 < daja77> hehe
21:12 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1 package/*/$pkg/$pkg.desc
21:12 < rolla> oh well
21:14 < mnemoc> ppl teachs 'mistress'='wife' here :\
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21:15 < blindcoder> well, your wife _can_ be your mistress :)
21:15 < daja77> ah now i know what you mean
21:15 < daja77> rofl
21:15 < daja77> blindcoder speaking with experience :D
21:15 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: package/*/$pkg/$pkg.desc
21:15 < rolla> ha ha ha
21:15 < blindcoder> daja77: nope, since i'm not married
21:16 < daja77> yeah these kind of strange discussion is what i like the channel for
21:16 < rolla> frau
21:16 < holyolli> blindcoder: that has nothing to do with it... (and _yes_ i'm speaking due to expirience...)
21:16 < cybrjackle|work1> mnemoc, i guess i'm confused 
21:17 < blindcoder> holyolli: hoeh? I was taught that "wife == female part of a married, heterosexual couple"
21:17 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: of what?
21:17 < daja77> holyolli: which experience, wife or mistress?
21:17 < blindcoder> daja77: well, you know... this channel just pretends to be about ROCK Linux by talking about it for about 5% of the time
21:17 < cybrjackle|work1> everything I'm reading in the handbook doesn't seem to work with ./scripts/Build-Pkg -v package & Emerge-Pkg
21:17 < holyolli> daja77: the last one..or better-to-say..she tried to ;-)
21:17 < mnemoc> 10% is for greetings
21:18 < daja77> :D
21:18 < daja77> mnemoc: rofl
21:18 < mnemoc> :)
21:18 < blindcoder> mnemoc: 10% leave/enter and 15% netsplits :)
21:18 < rolla> holyolli: so you are not married?
21:18 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: never use Build-Pkg by hand
21:18 < cybrjackle|work1> ok
21:18 < holyolli> rolla: nope
21:18 < daja77> why not
21:19 < cybrjackle|work1> so say I want to get used to rock, how and what do I need to know and do to install & update software?
21:19 < rolla> ah just a gf that acted like one?
21:19 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: use Build-Target for targets and Emerge-Pkg for you runing machine
21:19 < cybrjackle|work1> this distro looks great, i just haven't figured it out yet! ;-)
21:19 < holyolli> rolla: jepp.
21:19 < daja77> mnemoc: Emerge-Pkg just does download and Build-Pkg
21:19 < cybrjackle|work1> ok so Emerge-Pkg should download and built right?
21:20 < daja77> yes
21:20 < mnemoc> daja77: i said "by hand"
21:20 < rolla> I take it that she is no longer a gf?
21:20 < cybrjackle|work1> so daja77 say I want to download and install your pkg for mutella what do I need to do?
21:20 < blindcoder> we're talking about wives and mistresses and mnemoc throws in "by hand"... should that worry me?
21:20 < daja77> mnemoc: i do so, running scripts/Build-Pkg when the package is already downloaded
21:21 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: you will die when i say you ROCKLinux is not a distro :)
21:21 < daja77> cybrjackle|work1: scripts/Emerge-Pkg mutella
21:21 < cybrjackle|work1> it's a build kit right....
21:21 < mnemoc> yes! :)
21:21 < cybrjackle|work1> #  scripts/Emerge-Pkg mutella
21:21 < cybrjackle|work1> bash: scripts/Emerge-Pkg: No such file or directory
21:21 < mnemoc> daja77: that comment was for a newbie not for you
21:21 < daja77> you should cd to rock src dir before that of course
21:22 < daja77> mnemoc: ok ;-)
21:22 < cybrjackle|work1> right, did thaat
21:22 < cybrjackle|work1> b# ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mutella
21:22 < cybrjackle|work1> ERROR: No configuration 'default' found!
21:22 < cybrjackle|work1> Please create a configuration using ./scripts/Config.
21:22 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config
21:22 < cybrjackle|work1> yes I'm running Config now
21:22 < daja77> yep you have to run scripts/Config once
21:22 < cybrjackle|work1> ;-)
21:22 < cybrjackle|work1> oh, I hear hd noice cranken ;)
21:22 < daja77> just exit the script, everything should work fine then
21:23 < mnemoc> set your arch:)
21:23 < cybrjackle|work1> doing it now
21:23 < daja77> you could but don't have to
21:24 < daja77> mutella optimized will not give you faster downloads
21:24 * rolla is updating his rock source tree
21:24 < cybrjackle|work1> right daja77 i'm just trying to get basics down for the entir system
21:24 < daja77> okis just do so
21:24 < cybrjackle|work1> i don't even use mutella, but saw the package and needed a test
21:24 < cybrjackle|work1> ;)
21:25 < cybrjackle|work1> Do you all (*) Do not try building packages if deps failed??
21:25 < cybrjackle|work1> or any other opt's
21:25 < daja77> i don't
21:26 < mnemoc> i 'abort on fail' and 'retry broken' :)
21:26 < mnemoc> i don't like incomplete targets ;)
21:26 < daja77> i use retry broken on some builds
21:26 < daja77> i don't like the abort option
21:27 * blindcoder gone for today
21:27 < blindcoder> baba
21:27 < daja77> cu blindcoder 
21:27 < mnemoc> cu blindcoder 
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21:29 < cybrjackle|work1> ah i'm back
21:29 < cybrjackle|work1> thx's for the help I now understand more about rock!
21:32 < cybrjackle|work1> ok so mutella is building now, is there a difference in what tree it's pulling from?
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21:33 < netrunner> what is the best way to modify the CFLAGS?
21:33 < rolla> grrr
21:33 * netrunner creating a target
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21:34 < daja77> netrunner: which
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21:34 < rolla> has anyone here had trouble with creating a 2nd stage filesystem?
21:34 * daja77 not
21:35 * mnemoc neither
21:35 < rolla> crap
21:35 < netrunner> daja77: what which? I create a target for epia, since I have to patch gcc and use different cflags than usual to get an extra performance kick
21:35 < daja77> could it be that you have an old version of tar or sth like that?
21:35 < daja77> via stuff?
21:36 < rolla> my tar is pretty new
21:36 < daja77> hmm
21:36 < daja77> netrunner: how much are such boxes atm?
21:37 < netrunner> daja77: I just found out that if you remove m_PP from gcc/config/i386/i386.c line with static int x86_cmove, then compile with march=i686 one get's a cool boost.
21:37 < netrunner> daja77: even making the hw mpeg2 decoder unneccessary, which is a pain to get to run.
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21:38 < mnemoc> netrunner: sideeffects?
21:38 < daja77> i mean how much do you have to pay for that hw?
21:39 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: rock scripts use package/*/*/ as a 'database', you can have different data on different trees
21:39 < netrunner> daja77: dunno. I payed 170 EUR for the board, a epiam-1k with the older ezra core. but 1 year ago :)
21:39 < daja77> k. thx
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21:39 < daja77> grrr
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21:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: everything is faster :) the cmove is the only thing missing on the ezra, as far as I have learned now.
21:40 < netrunner> (missing to i686).
21:41 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1 will raise our leave/enter rate
21:41 < cybrjackle|work1> ok, so after ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mutella is done, did it just store it or install it
21:41 * cybrjackle|work1 is sorry about the in/out will leave and only connect from home if this is a problem?
21:42 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: i was kidding
21:42 < cybrjackle|work1> i know its annoying so I wouldn't blame you all for banning me ;-)
21:42 < cybrjackle|work1> still it annoys me too! ;-)
21:42 < netrunner> hm, other option would be to conditionally apply a patch to gcc ...
21:42 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: there are no magic 'install' on rock
21:42 < MadTux> cu all
21:43 < mnemoc> netrunner: that's why i asked about sideeffects :)
21:43 < cybrjackle|work1> mnemoc, what do you mean?
21:43 < cybrjackle|work1> did it just build package only?
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21:43 < mnemoc> cu MadTux 
21:43 < daja77> grrr
21:43 * cybrjackle|work1 is getting lost in hanbook right now and has 20 tabs open in mozilla!
21:43 < netrunner> mnemoc: how would I apply a patch conditionally? I mean everything called .patch gets applied automatically.
21:43 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: you get what is in /var/adm/flists/mutella
21:44 < mnemoc> .diff 
21:44 < daja77> mine -l mutella
21:44 < mnemoc> daja77: :(
21:44 < daja77> mnemoc: huh?
21:45 < mnemoc> daja77: your way is easier :(
21:45 < daja77> hehe that's why i mentioned it :p
21:45 < mnemoc> netrunner: a .diff and a bool on some config
21:46 < mnemoc> i hope gcc config gets unified *soon*
21:46 < cybrjackle|work1> so should mine -i package insall it?
21:47 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: no
21:47 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: you already installed it
21:47 < cybrjackle|work1> didn't thank so, cause it didn't work ;)
21:47 < cybrjackle|work1> oh so Emerge-pkg builds & installs
21:47 < mnemoc> cybrjackle|work1: mine -i is to install .gem files generated by Build-Target
21:47 * cybrjackle|work1 smacks him self cause he members running mutella now :oops:
21:50 < cybrjackle|work1> mnemoc, when you said this:
21:50 < cybrjackle|work1> cybrjackle|work1: rock scripts use package/*/*/ as a 'database', you can have different data on different trees
21:50 < cybrjackle|work1> can you explain that to me?
21:50 < cybrjackle|work1> btw, printing handbook now
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21:51 < mnemoc> blah blkah blah
21:52 < daja77> ^^
21:52 < rolla> == 14:46:11 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.24 2.0.0-rc5].
21:52 < rolla> :(
21:53 < mnemoc> rolla: why the sad face?
21:53 < rolla> cause I had to start my build over
21:53 < rolla> and it will still most likly fail at the end anyway
21:55 < mnemoc> shit... i said ruinit instead of runit on their ml :(
21:55 < daja77> hm?
21:56 < mnemoc> runit is a djb-style init, and on a mail a send to the list i said ruinit :(
21:56 < daja77> hehe
21:57 < rolla> :)
22:03 < daja77> <- stupid
22:04 < mnemoc> hm?
22:04 < daja77> should have never set up afs at my parents
22:05 < mnemoc> "should have never set up afs"
22:06 < mnemoc> btw, why do you hate coda?
22:07 < daja77> well it is not that i do not like afs, it just sucks that i have to maintain it there
22:08 < daja77> it can't send file chunks over network, that disqualifies it for use in larger setups
22:10 * daja77 off to bed now 
22:10 < daja77> cu
22:10 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
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22:47 < cybrjackle|work> hello again
22:47 < cybrjackle|work> rocklinux is exciting me! shhh, don't  tell anyone ;-)
22:49 < cybrjackle|work> i got an off the wall question if anyone would like to field it?
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22:55 < cybrjackle|work2> l
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22:58 < holyolli> n8
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23:07 < elon> goodnight
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