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03:06 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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06:35 < Baldzius> good morning
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07:28 < cornflake> has anyone done a net install to get rock linux?
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07:41 < holyolli> moin
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09:47 < rxr> re
09:47 < cornflake> hey
09:56 < daja77_> moin
09:58 < cornflake> morning
09:58 < cornflake> Tue Jan 13 00:48:54 PST 2004
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10:18 < rxr> clifford: around ?
10:21 < rxr> hm
10:25 < daja77> ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/20c3
11:05 < mnemoc> moin
11:05 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
11:05 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
11:09 < mnemoc> Hackitivity__NO_SOUND =\
11:10 < daja77> it sucks, yes
11:11 * daja77 grabbing one of the 300mb videos atm
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11:17 < netrunne1> Requested audio codec family [faad] (afm=faad) not available (enable it at compilation)
11:17 < netrunne1> is that included in newer updates of our package?
11:17 < netrunne1> (of mplayer)
11:18 < daja77> no idea
11:18 < netrunne1> daja77: have you tried playing a video?
11:18 < daja77> still downloading
11:18 < daja77> <- isdn
11:19 < netrunne1> flat?
11:19 < daja77> yes
11:20 < daja77> unlimited download :D
11:22 < netrunne1> we shared files yesterday on the muccc meeting.
11:23 < daja77> ;-)
11:24 * netrunne1 just notices that he is building the kernel without swap
11:24 < mnemoc> good :\
11:24 < daja77> hmm got 10% of one video
11:25 < daja77> swap sucks anyway
11:25 * netrunne1 going home
11:25 < mnemoc> daja77: why isdn?
11:27 < mnemoc> cu swapless netrunne1 
11:27 < daja77> matter of costs
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11:34 < daja77> <- off to work now
11:34 < mnemoc> cu daja77 
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11:40 < LocalHero> Hi all
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11:47 < blindcoder> moin
11:49 < mnemoc> moin LocalHero, blindcoder 
11:49 < mnemoc> moin nookie 
11:49 < mnemoc> LocalHero: i have XTRACE enabled
11:52 < LocalHero> mnemoc, hi :)
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12:02 < mnemoc> arg.. they 'forgot' to release openwatcom-1.2 source code :(
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12:16 * mnemoc to the doctor... cu in hell
12:17 < LocalHero> mnemoc, good luck
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13:31 < daja77> 11:24 < Zentaur> !expl threads
13:31 < daja77> 11:25 <+[Klio]> threads[1]: A Computer is a state machine. Threads are for
13:31 < daja77>                 people who can't program state machines
13:35 < daja77> WAAAS? http://www.unicc.de/
13:35 < daja77> sorry wrong chan
13:38 < rxr> re
13:38 < daja77> wb
13:53 < daja77> weee rtai builds with linux 2.4.24
13:59 < daja77> O_o kdelibs failed here 
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14:11 < rxr> daja77: yes ALSA update
14:14 < blindcoder> moin
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14:39 < rolla> re
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14:44 < daja77> rxr: ah ic, so another svn up should fix it?
14:48 < rxr> daja77: no - since I had not time in the last few days
14:48 < rxr> maybe I can fix this later - but I have two exams in the next two days ...
14:48 < daja77> ugh
14:48 < daja77> would it be ok if i revert that alsa update locally?
14:48 < daja77> the rest of the build works fine so far
14:49 < cytrinox> moin
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14:50 < daja77> *sigh* have to use wine now :(
14:51 < blindcoder> daja77: how come?
14:52 < daja77> the program to maintain that control card is a win app, they haven't had the time to port it to linux *grmpf*
14:52 < daja77> is it true that wine doesn't support elf libs anymore?
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14:58 < blindcoder> hoeh?
15:09 < daja77> the handbook claims that wine doesn't support dlls in elf format anymore, but they tested it with version 20030115 which worked for them ...
15:09 < blindcoder> strange
15:09 < daja77> where the handbook is the handbook fo that card
15:09 < daja77> maybe they were just too stupid, we will see
15:10 < blindcoder> heh, wouldn't be the first time
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15:12 < daja77> hehe, got my point
15:16 < daja77> hmm
15:16 < daja77> http://www.winehq.com/site/docs/wine-user/config-dll
15:16 < daja77> point 5.7.2.2
15:16 < daja77> so
15:16 < daja77> Native ELF libraries. Has been deprecated, ignored.
15:27 < rolla> hmm why does my build skip stages 1-4?
15:28 < clifford> hi gang.
15:28 < clifford> rxr: around?
15:30 < fake> clifford: hi!
15:30 < clifford> hi fake. seen the pulpstone log?
15:30 < fake> clifford: i just read your mail, i'll start hacking at it later today 
15:30 < fake> clifford *wee*
15:31 < fake> clifford: ist that in svn already?
15:32 < clifford> hmm.. at least it's not marked as applied in submaster:
15:32 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004011313321101401
15:34 < daja77> hey clifford 
15:36 < fake> hm
15:36 < fake> clifford: i try to vote for the patch... but... how?
15:36 < clifford> Do you have an account and are you logged in?
15:36 < fake> from the patch list to the single patch view the session gets lost and i am a guest again
15:37 < clifford> the session get's "lost" ?
15:37 < fake> and, yes, the chord is plugged in
15:37 < clifford> the "session" is username and password stored in a browser cookie.
15:37 < clifford> ...how can that get lost?
15:38 < fake> i log in, get the nice overview with 'logged in as fake', klick on your patch#, -> you are not logged in / guest
15:38 < fake> Logged in as fake becomes Logged in as Guest
15:39 < clifford> can you check if your browser has stored the cookie ?
15:39 < fake> hm... lemme see... w3m...
15:39 < fake> narf.
15:39 < fake> school's out
15:39 < fake> i'll check later.
15:39 < fake> thought i had that with another browser, too.
15:40 < fake> bye for now!
15:40 < clifford> fake: w3m needs to be started with "-cookie".
15:43 < clifford> ... or simply use "sm admin" if you have a local sm working tree.
15:46 < daja77> is there a way to 'mirror' the subversion server locally?
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15:54 * clifford fixed samba (uh! ;-): http://www.clifford.at/priv/samba.diff
15:58 < daja77> ;-)
16:09 < daja77> rxr: just heard that there is a kde 3.1.5, maybe it is easier to upgrade than to create the alsa patches
16:12 * blindcoder back
16:21 < clifford> daja77: what do you mean by "'mirror' the subversion server locally" ?
16:21 < daja77> i meant copying it and offering it via local server (due screwed network setting at work - don't ask)
16:23 < clifford> that's what svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de is doing.
16:23 < daja77> ic
16:24 < clifford> but don't ask my how to do that and if the master needs to activley "push" the data..
16:24 < daja77> :)
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16:25 < daja77> well i just use scripts/Create-Src-Tar to get the updated src on  that machine, only mirror the downloaded pkgs locally
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17:02 < rolla> crap 
17:02 < rolla> tail: `-50' option is obsolete; use `-n 50'
17:02 < rolla> Try `tail --help' for more information.
17:04 < daja77> hi rolla 
17:05 < rolla> hallo daja77 
17:05 < rolla> now all my stage 3 builds fail
17:06 < daja77> strange
17:07 < rolla> yeah the build script uses old form of tail
17:09 < daja77> so tail breaks your build?
17:09 < rolla> not sure
17:14 < blindcoder> I can't help but notice that xpde is sweet :)
17:24 < rxr> daja77: you mean http://www.xpde.com/ ?
17:24 < daja77> me?
17:27 < rxr> ah no blindcoder ... ,-)
17:27 < rxr> daja77: sorry
17:27 < daja77> np
17:27 < daja77> rxr: what about kde 3.1.5?
17:29 < rxr> I read it only includes some security fixes
17:29 < rxr> we need to take a look
17:30 < clifford> hi rxr.
17:31 * daja77 asking ...
17:31 < daja77> someone who should know, at least i hope so
17:36 < daja77> 17:26 < daja77> danimo: hast du ahnung was die release politik der 3.1er serie
17:36 < daja77>                 angeht?
17:36 < daja77> 17:30 < danimo> daja77: naja, tot halt. in ein paar tagen kommt 3.2
17:41 < netrunne1> daja77: rc stop gpm ? rmmod mousedev ? ;)
17:42 < daja77> huh??!
17:42 < netrunne1> ah, ic it was intended :)
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17:43 * netrunner refusing to start work on the report (due to tomorrow, state 0.25)
17:43 < daja77> yep, just adding that to the short kde discussion with rxr
17:58 < netrunner> first impression of 2.6: my mouse moves much faster
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18:04 < LocalHero> rxr, you there?
18:07 < rxr> LocalHero: yes
18:08 < LocalHero> rxr, ahh, good, mnemoc told me that you knew how to add some deps. I get a dep fail on stage 1 on cluster build. Is it the .cache or .desc file that should be altered?
18:09 < LocalHero> rxr, by the way, i have installed openssh now and will switch at the next reboot (friday)
18:10 < rxr> "dep fail" in which way?
18:12 < LocalHero> 1-linux24-src needs either to be modified or 1-00-dirtree needs have been done before it starts. So i was woundering how to add 1-00-dirtree to 1-linux24-src. Since im exploring this cluster thing i might stumble across more things like that and better lern how to fix it :)
18:13 < LocalHero> 1-linux24-src tries to cd into $root/usr/src that 1-00-dirtre makes for it
18:17 < rxr> IIRC nothing in staga-1 is build in parallel ...
18:19 < LocalHero> 20:51 backup:       finished job '0-mine' (ok)20:15 2004-01-13:   creating new job '1-linux24-header'20:15 2004-01-13:   creating new job '1-dietlibc'20:15 2004-01-13:   creating new job '1-00-dirtree'
18:20 < LocalHero> and when linux24-header is done linux24-src and linux24 is added
18:23 < rxr> interesting
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18:23 < rxr> LocalHero: for a quick work around you can modify scripts/dep_db.txt
18:25 < LocalHero> rxr, you can try it yourself, just run Build-Target in cluster mode and then do touch $root/var/adm/logs/stage-package.log and then do echo "uhh" $root/queue/1_dahh.msg and it will think you have built it 
18:33 < clifford> rxr: did the dependency information got recreated after my dependency-on-directories patch has been applied?
18:35 < netrunner> clifford: stages up to n do not rely on the dep_db and force serial building. iirc n=3
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18:36 < clifford> doesn't look so. On my system all packages depend on 00-dirtree..
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18:37 < clifford> netrunner: yes.
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18:37 < clifford> n=2. the code for that can be found in scripts/Create-PkgQueue
18:38 < LocalHero> hmm..
18:39 < clifford> well: packages in stage 0 are built in the static order one after another.
18:40 < clifford> packages in stage 1 are build in parallel, but no package from stages >1 are build until stage 1 has finished.
18:41 < clifford> and: packages are built earlier if many other packages depend on it....
18:41 < clifford> so, if no package depends on 00-dirtree but almost everything on gcc, gcc is built before 00-dirtree.
18:42 < clifford> that way the cluster scheduler tries to make sure that there is almost a big pool of packages which can be built next.
18:42 < LocalHero> well it was linux24-src that failed :).. But i get the point :)
18:43 < LocalHero> got to eat, cya all
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18:43 < clifford> but I've added a very importand fix the last week which all currently existing hardcoded deps obsolate, but it looks like there hasn't been a reference build since then...
18:43 < clifford> hmm.. ok. cya.   ;-)
18:44 * clifford also goes home now.
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19:15 < daja77> re
19:15 < PySCo> daja77 : Re
19:15 < daja77> PySCo?
19:16 < PySCo> hö
19:17 < daja77> just wondering if i should know you
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19:18 < daja77> O_o
19:18 < mnemoc> re
19:18 < daja77> re mnemoc 
19:21 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
19:21 < daja77> anyone successfully played a 20c3 movie?
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19:23 < tcr> daja77, you're scaring people away who just want to be polite. Heh, you're a bastard ;)
19:23 < daja77> i was just asking, damn it
19:26 < daja77> damn wget -c doesn't work with that ftp
19:31 < rxr> need an iBook:
19:31 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2778962983&category=4602&rd=1
19:33 < daja77> yours?
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19:36 < rxr> daja77: my brothers
19:36 < daja77> he got sick of apple stuff?
19:37 < rxr> nope - he got a more portable 12" one ;-)
19:37 < rxr> he is perfectly happy with PowePC hardware and ROCK on it ...
19:40 < daja77> hehe
19:40 * daja77 is happy with rock on his hw too
19:40 < daja77> but no 755, i just don't have atm
19:40 < rxr> PowerPC even ...
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19:41 < rxr> daja77: btw. I have choosen a new flat yesterday - hoping to get it
19:41 < rxr> (the usual "do we take that student crap" ...
19:41 < rxr> )
19:41 < daja77> cool, send pics if you like
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19:53 < daja77> this damn peer ;-)
19:54 < tcr> yeah he's a badass, ain't he?
19:54 < daja77> yep old connection resetter
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20:08 < rxr_> the rock-linux SVN repository is currently:
20:08 < rxr_> 81M     rock-linux
20:08 < rxr_> database backend fluff ...
20:10 < tcr> how big is the acutally source tree?
20:15 < rxr_> 21MB
20:15 < rxr_> rock-linux is at r2189 ...
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20:52 < rxr> restoring databases ...
20:52 < daja77> :)
20:52 < daja77> <- still outing himself as a subversion fan
20:53 < rolla> :-P
20:56 < rxr> maybe the rocklinux-consulting.de site is now a bit more responsive - it now uses on-the-fly gzip compression ...
20:57 < daja77> are you updating to 0.36, btw?
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21:03 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:03 < daja77> wb blindy
21:04 < blindcoder> thx ^^
21:11 < rxr> rock-liinux is at reloading r580 ...
21:11 < rxr> r600 ...
21:12 < daja77> my highest rev on private repo is 49 ^^
21:12 < blindcoder> cool, does that mean that there will be patches applied again once this is done? :)
21:13 < rxr> blindcoder: only slowly - I have two exams tomorrow and the day after ...
21:13 < daja77> focus on them!
21:13 < rxr> r830
21:14 < daja77> it will be fine to be in sync with rock at the weekend
21:14 < blindcoder> rxr: I see. Good luck!
21:28 < rxr> r1650
21:30 < rxr> r1850 ...
21:34 < cytrinox> gn8
21:34 < tcr> likewise. gn8 all
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21:45 < A-Tui> hi
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22:21 < netrunner> damnit. I am writing for 4 hours now, and still have the same pagecount :(
22:27 < blindcoder> 0?
22:28 < rxr> svn.rocklinux-consulting.de online again 
22:28 < rxr> please test / check
22:29 < daja77> <- can't atm
22:31 < netrunner> blindcoder: hehe, no, I have 9 pages, including titlepage, page for abstract, page for content, page for bibliography and some pages with empty headers :)
22:32 < daja77> 9 pages like me
22:33 < netrunner> rxr: one copy here asks me to svn cleanup before svn up ...
22:34 < blindcoder> netrunner: "This page intentionally left blank"?
22:34 < daja77> this happens
22:34 < netrunner> blindcoder: in the latex code there are big lines with FIXME that scream at me annoyingly loud ;)
22:34 < blindcoder> well, /me --> sleep
22:34 < netrunner> n8 blindcoder 
22:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: I see. I never used latex (the program)
22:35 < blindcoder> good night!
22:35 < daja77> n8 blindy
22:35 < rxr> blindcoder: the svn cleanup is normally due to client errors on your side
22:36 < daja77> like svn core dumps e.g.
22:36 < rxr> e.g. power-off, SIG_KILL, segfault, ...  during a transaction, 
22:37 < daja77> so you used 0.35 or 0.36?
22:37 < rxr> daja77: me ?
22:37 < daja77> yes ...
22:45 < rxr> 0.35 on the server
22:45 < rxr> I did not notived 0.36 yet ..
22:45 < daja77> np, they released it today or so
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22:50 < netrunner> rxr: my second rep hangs with svn up for 15 min now, the one I svn cleaned now also.
22:51 < amery> re :)
22:51 < amery> ehm.... how is /me ?
22:51 -!- amery is now known as mnemoc_
22:51 < mnemoc_> re :)
22:51 < rxr> netrunner: oh - bad
22:52 < daja77> which svn?
22:52 < daja77> version
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22:53 < netrunner> rxr: no traffic caused by those processes, and no cpu used. hanging at read(3,
22:53 < rxr> hm - which version
22:53 < rxr> (wored fine here so far ...)
22:53 < netrunner> svn version 0.32.1 and 0.30
22:53 < rxr> hm
22:54 < netrunner> now don't tell me they again have no compatibility :/
22:54 < rxr> they should have
22:54 < netrunner> I'll try to build the latest and see.
22:54 < rxr> does a cleanup and new svn up goes further
22:54 < daja77> you are using http?
22:54 < rxr> mnemoc: could you test an svn up?
22:55 * daja77 testing
22:56 < mnemoc> rxr: to rl-cosnulting?
22:56 < rxr> mnemoc: jups
22:56 * mnemoc testing (svn://)
22:57 < rxr> oh - crap
22:57 < rxr> I forgot to cleanly restart svnserve ... mom
22:58 < rxr> netrunner: did you used svn:// ?
22:58 < rxr> now the correct svnserve is up-and-running ...
22:59 < daja77> what is a good linux client for bittorrent?
22:59 < rxr> I tested with 0.35.0 (x86 and PowerPC), 0.29.0 (SPARC), 0.30.0 (x86) - all over http://
23:00 < rxr> oh - svn:// seems to be a lot faster now ...
23:00 < rxr> just doing a svn co svn:// over local 100Mbit ...
23:00 < daja77> wow that's fast
23:00 < daja77> even the http co
23:01 < rxr> yeah - and it seems to be even faster now after the update
23:01 * daja77 using 0.35 on the client too
23:01 < rxr> daja77: you mean local - or now with the new version
23:01 < daja77> nope with your site over isdn
23:01 < daja77> faster than ever before
23:01 < daja77> just some seconds
23:01 < rxr> daja77: my apache now uses mod_deflate per default
23:01 < rxr> # time svn co svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk > /dev/null
23:01 < rxr> real    0m25.563s
23:01 < rxr> user    0m6.610s
23:01 < rxr> sys     0m10.600s
23:02 < daja77> could try with a complete co to compare
23:02 < rxr> you mean to compare with http:// ?
23:02 < daja77> no compare to old co timnes
23:02 < rxr> oehm - do not have them that handy ...
23:02 < daja77> i almost use http to be more compatible
23:02 < mnemoc> rxr: connection reset by peer
23:03 < daja77> well they needed 3/4 h or so
23:03 < rxr> mnemoc: urghs - how did you archive that?
23:03 < rxr> uiuiui:
23:03 < rxr> # time svn co http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk > /dev/null
23:03 < rxr> real    0m40.709s
23:03 < rxr> user    0m8.100s
23:03 < mnemoc> my time sm create took 42m
23:03 < rxr> sys     0m12.040s
23:04 < mnemoc> (a couple of days ago)
23:04 < mnemoc> rxr: svn: Can't read from connection: Connection reset by peer.
23:05 < rxr> mnemoc: --version?
23:05 < daja77> give it a try atm
23:06 < daja77> hmm it slows down ...
23:08 < rxr> daja77: multiple people trying an update ? ;-)
23:08 < daja77> hehe
23:08 < rxr> my line is saturated at:
23:08 < rxr> 45.38 kBit/s
23:08 < daja77> still pretty cool
23:09 < rxr> after the several software and hardware updates over at QSC I now often get more into the world then the promissed 32 kBit/s ...
23:10 < daja77> ;-)
23:10 < rxr> mnemoc: which version do you use? Or does it work now?
23:10 < rxr> btw http://svn.... already consumed 200.78 MB this months
23:10 < mnemoc> 0.35.0
23:10 < rxr> svn:// not counted ...
23:10 < rxr> mnemoc: and it does still not work?
23:10 < mnemoc> rxr: what's the repo of submasteR?
23:11 < mnemoc> rl-consulting.de/submaster/trunk don't exisit
23:12 < mnemoc> rxr: svn up to rl-trunk worked
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23:14 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/submaster/
23:15 < mnemoc> time svn co submaster
23:15 < mnemoc> real 0m:6.325s
23:16 < mnemoc> brb
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23:16 < mnemoc_> back :)
23:16 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
23:23 < rxr> ok - I'm off into bed - if svn problems arrise call by cell-phone ...
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23:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll call you ;)
23:27 < rxr> you have the no.?
23:30 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/contact.html
23:30 < rxr> cu
23:31 < daja77> Checked out revision 2189.
23:31 < daja77> real    25m11.500s
23:31 < daja77> user    0m9.940s
23:31 < daja77> sys     0m7.780s
23:31 < daja77> nice
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23:36 < netrunner> rxr: worked now (with the old). unknown reason. now that I strace it ... :)
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23:57 < daja77> ok now using bittorret for downloading c3 movies
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