--- Log opened Thu Jan 15 00:00:41 2004
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00:51 < retrug> hi
00:51 < retrug> someone here?
00:52 < retrug> ?
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00:57 < mnemoc> re
00:57 < mnemoc> jsaw_: ping
00:57 < mnemoc> anyone using rocknet to nat a lan?
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01:08 < mnemoc> bbl :'(
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03:41 < mnemoc> http://users.pandora.be/Psychotic_Kenshin/grappig/Ramzi.wmv <-- please :)
03:42 < jsaw_> re
03:42 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc 
03:42 * jsaw_ getting himself a coffee, or two or three
03:45 < mnemoc> jsaw_: watch that video :)
03:45 < mnemoc> brb
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03:53 < jsaw_> mnemoc: :)
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04:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: still here?
04:18 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes
04:18 < jsaw> mnemoc: Ramzi, muahahaha
04:18 < mnemoc> :)
04:19 < mnemoc> have u used rocknet for nat?
04:19 < jsaw> not yet
04:19 < mnemoc> what's the 'all' interface?
04:20 < mnemoc> forward flags only work for that interface
04:20 < jsaw> lemma see...
04:21 * SMP wouldn't use rocknet for NAT by anything else than iptables-restore'ing /etc/iptables.conf
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04:22 < mnemoc> SMP i want to try a simple masq
04:22 < mnemoc> everything out, nothing in
04:23 < SMP> call iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o $OUT_INTERFACE -j MASQUERADE and you're done ;)
04:23 < mnemoc> but this shit don't route out
04:23 < mnemoc> SMP: i know but i want to use rocknet :)
04:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: that's actually stupid IMO (this 'all' interface)
04:24 < jsaw> it's a sysctl definition and thus belongs into the header (before any interface def)
04:24 < SMP> but you can't bind it to a profile if it's in the header
04:24 < mnemoc> btw, stone module can't add generic flags
04:25 < mnemoc> i think 'forward' should be a companion of echo 1 and iptables
04:25 < mnemoc> not just the echo
04:26 < mnemoc> 'do you want to forward through this interface?'
04:27 < jsaw> SMP: hmmm, u're right. Still I think "interface all" is confusing.
04:28 < mnemoc> 'forward' as allow everything to forward through, 'forward tcp 80 [<ip>]' as dnat
04:29 < mnemoc> forward must be profile dependant
04:29 < mnemoc> if/profile i mean
04:30 < jsaw> iptales_parse_conditions, "iptales", *haha*
04:31 < mnemoc> but it's called as iptales too :)
04:40 < jsaw> mnemoc, SMP: Do you see any reason, not to remove the '[ "$interface" != all ] && return' in public_forward?
04:41 < SMP> yes.
04:41 < jsaw> what?
04:41 < SMP> ip-forwarding is not a property of an interface
04:41 < jsaw> AH!
04:42 < jsaw> Exactly my previous point. It actually doesn't belong to ANY interface section.
04:42 < jsaw> Not even to "interface all".
04:43 < jsaw> But functionaly it belongs to what is transmitted thru those interfaces. So what's the deal?
04:43 < mnemoc> but.. is that a design fault on rocknet o just need an 'small' fix?
04:43 < jsaw> no, no design fault.
04:45 < jsaw> just the KISS principle
04:45 < mnemoc> jsaw, smp: what would u do with forward flag?
04:45 < SMP> why are you even worrying about it?
04:46 < mnemoc> because if it's there it shall work
04:46 < SMP> what about it does not work?
04:47 < mnemoc> it only work for interface 'all'
04:47 < mnemoc> but 'all' doesn't mean 'every defined interface'
04:47 < SMP> what do you think the 'forward' statement is for?
04:47 < jsaw> mnemoc: as smp stated, forward is profile dependant, but forward is also a global non-interface specific option
04:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: that means, to keep the rocknet parser stupid simple,
04:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: u simply take the "interface all" instead of defining
04:48 < SMP> actually it's simple but too stupid
04:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: a new section.
04:49 < mnemoc> if forward is defined for any interface echo 1, if forward is not defined for $if, drop all forward with -i $if
04:49 < SMP> 'forward' has nothing whatsoever to do with packet filtering or iptables!
04:49 < mnemoc> it doesn't but it can
04:49 < jsaw> look into /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Configure.help
04:50 < jsaw> and search for ip_forward
04:50 < mnemoc> i know
04:50 < SMP> by all means, it must not! how ugly 
04:50 < mnemoc> i'm trying to apply it to rocknet model
04:50 < mnemoc> take it as 'accept'
04:51 < mnemoc> echo 1 > ip_forward when there is something allowed to be forwardd
04:51 < SMP> how do you determine if something is allowed?
04:51 < mnemoc> similar to accept all
04:51 < mnemoc> forward all (for this interface)
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04:52 < mnemoc> or something more specific
04:52 < mnemoc> forward tcp 80 192.168.5.1
04:52 < mnemoc> like accept
04:53 < SMP> please no, this idea is broken
04:53 < mnemoc> make the echo thing a consecuence
04:54 < mnemoc> or simply forward per if/profile  but only for that interface
04:54 < mnemoc> the other can be handled with accept
04:55 < mnemoc> there is any simple way to define that you want forward between two itnerfaces?
04:56 < SMP> mnemoc: use an iptables rule outside rocknet
04:57 < mnemoc> why rocknet couldn't handle simple router configuration itself?
04:57 < mnemoc> complex stuff to iptables rules outside, but simple ones....
04:58 < mnemoc> interface $if: forward (everything can go through $if) 
04:58 < jsaw_> maybe a "redirect" command would be sufficient?
04:59 < mnemoc> interface $if: forward $if1 $if3 (stuff from $if1 and $if3 can go through $if)
04:59 < SMP> mnemoc: this is useless
04:59 < mnemoc> is this idea broken too?
05:00 < SMP> there is no sane real-world application for this
05:00 < mnemoc> interface ppp0: forward eth0
05:00 < mnemoc> eth1 is dmz, it can't go out
05:01 < jsaw_> but that's only usefull with specific ports, isn't it?
05:02 < SMP> mnemoc: and this is supposed to be the only filtering rule?
05:02 < mnemoc> interface eth1: forward eth0
05:03 < mnemoc> interface ppp0: masquarade
05:03 < mnemoc> that whould define a basic lan/dmz/outsize squema
05:03 < SMP> and what about the return traffic?
05:03 < mnemoc> if you add a couple of 'redirect' to ppp0 you have an operative dmz
05:04 < mnemoc> return traffic is preaccepted because it's related,established
05:05 < SMP> this is almost as broken as PIX config ;>
05:06 < mnemoc> ip_forward would be 1 due to the activation of one 'forward' flag
05:06 < mnemoc> echo 1 as a consecuence, not a purpose
05:06 < mnemoc> no? 
05:06 < mnemoc> =(
05:07 < SMP> what does coupling ip_forward to your useless 'forward' statements gain you?
05:07 < mnemoc> too much cisco in my brain :\
05:08 < mnemoc> ip_forward enable the forward, iptable limit it to specific interfaces
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05:10 < mnemoc> may i shut up and sleep' seems i do :(
05:10 < mnemoc> s,\',\?,
05:10 < SMP> ;->
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05:11 < mnemoc> i don't see it useless... of course iptables is better, but i think rocknet is there to do the simple stuff
05:11 < mnemoc> and basic forwarding between itnerfaces is basic enough
05:11 < mnemoc> for being in rocknet
05:12 < cornflake> can anyone tell me the url so i can use the ports system?
05:12 < mnemoc> cornflake: what port system?
05:12 < cornflake> rock's port system
05:12 < cornflake> ya know, "mine"
05:13 < mnemoc> mine is the installer
05:13 < cornflake> oh.... never mind
05:13 < cornflake> but rock says that it has a ports system however...
05:14 < mnemoc> do u want to cross compile a rock?
05:15 < cornflake> i don't know cross compile means
05:15 < mnemoc> build for an architecture that wont run on your host machine
05:17 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep... cu
05:17 < cornflake> oh...... no, im not trying to do that
05:17 < mnemoc> gn8 SMP,jsaw,cornflake 
05:17 < SMP> mnemoc: call you statement 'conduit', not 'forward' and leave out the messing with ip_forward and I will shut up about this idea ;)
05:17 < SMP> cornflake: what are you trying to do?
05:18 < jsaw> anybody knows good SBCs for a self-build router?
05:18 < cornflake> SMP: i just wanna install some programs without having to look all over the net for their dependencies
05:19 < cornflake> i tried gentoo on my computer, but apparently "emerge sync" wasn't working right so i decided to try rock
05:19 < SMP> if it's called 'conduit' then anyone with a clue about packet filtering will immediately notice that it's crap ;>
05:21 < SMP> cornflake: building packages on an alien system is not actually supported, and you will not get dependencies resolved automatically. you need to check out a rock tree from subversion, there are currently no releases available for simple download
05:22 < mnemoc> SMP: what whould you do to 'foward' generic flag?
05:22 < cornflake> SMP: im just talking about installing linux programs like "gaim" or java
05:23 < SMP> mnemoc: leave it alone
05:23 < SMP> cornflake: you really should get the packages for your distribution
05:23 < mnemoc> SMP: working for an interface named 'all'?
05:24 < cornflake> SMP: so just go to the packages page on rocklinux.org and download the file there?
05:24 < SMP> mnemoc: that's another thing - it's a conceptual weakness in rocknet
05:25 < SMP> cornflake: no. get the software packages that were built for the distribution you are using. which one are you using anyway?
05:31 < cornflake> rock
05:31 < SMP> uhh. which version?
05:31 < cornflake> 2.0
05:31 < cornflake> desktop edition
05:32 < mnemoc> cornflake: go to /usr/src/rock-src
05:32 < mnemoc> run 'svn up'
05:33 < mnemoc> mkdir -p config/default
05:33 < mnemoc> cp -R etc/ROCK_CONFIG/* config/default
05:33 < mnemoc> ./script/Config -oldconfig
05:34 < mnemoc> and after that you can do ./script/Emerge-Pkg <package>
05:34 < mnemoc> and install <package> in your rcok-desktop
05:34 < mnemoc> good night ;)
05:34 < SMP> bye mnemoc ;)
05:34 < jsaw> cu mnemoc 
05:35 < mnemoc> cu jsaw,SMP
05:35 < cornflake> thanx mnemoc
05:35 * mnemoc won't be happy if 'conduit' doesn't emulate pix's :(
05:35 < mnemoc> ^aDD
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08:15 < owl_> moin
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08:36 < owl_> hi jsaw_ 
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09:13 < netrunner> moin
09:13 < owl_> moin netrunner 
09:18 < blindcoder> moin
09:20 < owl_> hi blindy
09:21 < blindcoder> hi owly
09:27 < netrunner> hi blindcoder/owl
09:28 < blindcoder> hi netti
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10:40 < daja77> moin
10:41 < owl_> moin daja77 
10:41 < owl_> bwah. snow-storm!!!
10:41 < daja77> hi owl
10:41 < daja77> heavy rain here
10:42 < blindcoder> moin daja77 
10:42 < daja77> hey blindy
10:42 < blindcoder> just cloudy here
10:42 < owl_> blindcoder: where?
10:43 < blindcoder> IN
10:43 < blindcoder> oh... just now a handful of snowflakes is falling down
10:44 < daja77> damn alsa update
10:44 < owl_> hehe. ok
10:44 < daja77> 1085 builds total, 824 completed fine, 261 with errors.
10:44 < owl_> alsa-update? 
10:44 < daja77> >_<
10:44 < owl_> let me guess - gnome* with errors?
10:45 < daja77> mostly kde this time
10:45 < owl_> O_o faszinating
10:45 < blindcoder> GAH, my parents drank th ananas-juice!
10:45 < blindcoder> so no coconut kiss >_<
10:46 < daja77> interesting err file for package rock-src
10:46 < owl_> *lol*
10:46 < daja77> Creating source tar ... tar: relocation error: /lib/libnss_db.so.2: undefined sy
10:46 < daja77> mbol: __set_errno
10:46 < daja77> 0 /usr/src/rock-src-2.0.0-rc5.tar.bz2
10:46 < daja77> O_o
10:51 < daja77> waaaah i am getting this relocating stuff with every package now
10:56 < blindcoder> delete libnss_db
10:56 < blindcoder> that's what i did when I had that message
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11:04 < daja77> i don't have that in my system, you mean delete it in $root?
11:06 < blindcoder> probably
11:06 < blindcoder> I just know that almost everything from ping to apache didn't work here as long as that lib existed
11:07 < daja77> what's that for a crap
11:07 < netrunner> argl, esden calling me in lecture
11:07 < daja77> lol
11:08 < blindcoder> netrunner: KICK HIM FROM ME!
11:08 < blindcoder> netrunner: HARD!
11:08 < blindcoder> netrunner: IF HE ASKS WHY, THEN KICK HIM AGAIN!
11:09 < daja77> hmm kicking, sounds like fun
11:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: stop shouting, the prof is looking at me already.
11:09 < netrunner> daja77: join the 'kick esden' party :)
11:09 < owl_> netrunner: hahahahhahahah :p 
11:09 * daja77 joins
11:09 < netrunner> owl_: you are invited, too :)
11:09 < owl_> am i allowed to join this party, too, please?
11:09 < owl_> thx *g*
11:09 * owl_ joins too
11:10 * netrunner thinks about a flash game for kicking esden :)
11:10 < daja77> nice nvi fails due syntax error
11:10 < daja77> blindcoder: thx that relocate stuff vanished now
11:11 < blindcoder> netrunner: nah, I don't have flash here
11:11 * daja77 used his flash plugin package ...
11:14 < daja77> rofl http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-15.01.04-003/
11:14 < blindcoder> I don't even WANT flash here
11:15 < daja77> hehe
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11:19 < mnemoc> http://users.pandora.be/Psychotic_Kenshin/grappig/Ramzi.wmv <-- please :)
11:19 < mnemoc> (re)
11:19 < owl_> hi mnemoc 
11:19 < mnemoc> hi owl_ 
11:20 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
11:20 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
11:20 < blindcoder> moin mnemoc 
11:22 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder... anyone have tried masq'ing with rocknet?
11:22 < owl_> *lol* mnemoc 
11:23 < blindcoder> mnemoc: nope
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11:37 * daja77 likes his local package mirror
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11:48 < mnemoc> daja77: don't u use download/ as a bind to it?
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11:49 < netrunne1> mnemoc: I bet daja has >1 computer :)
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11:49 < mnemoc> netrunner: good point :)
11:49 < daja77> yeah i created a symlink in apache dir to a full download dir ^^
11:50 < mnemoc> and nfs?
11:50 < daja77> gna, no have enough nfs here already
11:51 < daja77> <- likes to play with http servers anyway
11:54 < mnemoc> =)
11:54 < blindcoder> hmm... gym before or after lunch
11:54 < owl_> before
11:55 < blindcoder> hmm... yeah, afterwards I'm too full to go...
11:56 < mnemoc> after lunch sucks :\ 
11:56 < blindcoder> hmm... then I'll be gone for at least 2 hours now
11:57 < mnemoc> cu blindcoder 
11:58 < blindcoder> okay, bye everyone!
11:58 < owl_> bye blindy. enjoy the gym
11:58 < blindcoder> yeah, thanks :)
12:08 < esden> argh
12:08 * -> esden 's ass akes
12:08 < netrunner> he is here! ;)
12:08 < owl_> hi esden 
12:08 < esden> and that because of the dietlibc patches that were never defined as fully functional!! >_< argl
12:08 < esden> hi owl_ 
12:12 < daja77> hm?
12:14 < esden> huhu daja77 ?
12:18 < mnemoc> hm? what did i did?
12:24 < mnemoc> the dietlibc patches we have are harmless =) 
12:25 < daja77> hi esden 
12:26 < mnemoc> hi esden :)
12:30 < daja77> what is with that patches
12:36 < mnemoc> esden: *if* you are talking about linuxrc mails i'm having this problem since september
12:43 < esden> mnemoc: no not about that
12:44 < mnemoc> :)
12:44 < mnemoc> good
12:44 < esden> if you talk about the same problem I remember of then I tracked it down long time ago and is/was caused by a bit ugly way of building the linuxrc in the bootdisk target ...
12:45 < mnemoc> kiss produced the same error mounint taht s.th
12:45 < esden> I was not able back then to fix that ... not changing more then a bit ...
12:47 < mnemoc> can you *please* send me a couple of 'mount's staticly linked with diferent versions of dietlibc?
12:47 < mnemoc> at work i'm working on a 9 inches screen on a rack :\
12:48 < mnemoc> and i would like to strace a succesfull and a failed mount
12:53 < mnemoc> outch... late, have to go :( cu in 30" on that 9-in monitor
12:53 < daja77> cu mnemoc 
12:53 < mnemoc> cu daja77 
12:53 < daja77> grrr @ wine
12:53 < mnemoc> :)
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12:59 < darix> moin
13:00 < darix> clifford: we found a little bug in the rocklinux 2.0.0 rc2 
13:01 < daja77> one little?
13:01 < darix> clifford: inside the chroot it calls "depmod -ae" 
13:01 < darix> this tries to write the modules.dep for the currently running kernel. not for the build one.
13:01 < darix> in our case: 
13:01 < darix> /sbin/depmod -ae
13:01 < darix> depmod: Can't open /lib/modules/2.4.24/modules.dep for writing
13:02 < darix> there are parameters for depmod to tell it which system.map and base directory to use.
13:02 < daja77> you mean you get that problem while building or installing rc2?
13:02 < darix> we patched the makefile for it. but i think it should be patched in upstream too
13:02 < darix> daja77: building *think*
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13:02 < darix> daja77: i just collect the stuff and report it :)
13:02 < daja77> why are you building rc2?
13:03 < darix> daja77: because the guy who does it is a bit clueless ;)
13:03 < darix> its not my part of work.
13:03 < daja77> erh nice ...
13:03 < darix> ill tell him about svn later this day :)
13:03 < daja77> yeah do that, please report such bugs if you find them against recent stuff
13:07 < darix> daja77: will do so. just told him about his luck of personal svn course with me :)
13:07 < daja77> hehehe
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13:45 < jsaw_> re
13:45 < jsaw_> any asm gurus here?
13:46 < owl_> hi jsaw_ 
13:46 < jsaw_> hi owl_ 
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13:52 < mnemoc> re
13:54 < jsaw> am I right, that (i386) "cmp $-124,%eax ; jbe .Lnoerror" is equivalent to "if (%eax <= -124) ..."?
13:54 < mnemoc> jsaw: 'all' interface don't work on 'auto' :(
13:55 < jsaw> mnemoc: :(
13:55 < mnemoc> that s.th only works when calling rocknet by hand 
13:56 < jsaw> I don't get the last sentence: "all" only works if called manually?
13:56 < jsaw> ok, posting asm question to ml...
13:57 < mnemoc> rocknet default all up
13:57 < mnemoc> but if i set 'auto eth0 ppp0 all'
13:57 < mnemoc> rocknet default auto up
13:58 < mnemoc> don't skip the 'forward' flag
13:59 < mnemoc> s/don't//
14:00 < jsaw> mnemoc: this time, _I_ am quite tired. Can you write me an email, I gonna have a look into a bit later... :)
14:05 < mnemoc> jsaw: try to sleep at least once this week ;)
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14:07 < jsaw> mnemoc: trying to :)
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14:14 < mnemoc> daja77: can you query me the things cliff said we have to do with our old submaster repos? that thing about uuid.txt and queue.txt
14:14 < mnemoc> pleeeease
14:16 < clifford> mnemoc: http://www.rocklinux.net:80/lurker/message/20040113.213209.7b81cd18.html
14:16 < mnemoc> clifford: thats :)
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14:17 < daja77> hi clifford, just copied it from there :)
14:18 < daja77> ok back to read annoying wine manual
14:18 < jsaw> cu l8; mv self to bed
14:18 < darix> hi clifford 
14:18 < daja77> n8 jsaw 
14:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: enjoy it :)
14:18 < darix> clifford: any comments at my depmod problem?
14:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: :)))
14:19 < darix> i checked svn log and didnt see any changes according to this. or is it a config error on our side?
14:19 < clifford> darix: depmod problem?
14:19 < darix> 12:56:14 < darix> clifford: we found a little bug in the rocklinux 2.0.0 rc2
14:19 < darix> 12:56:33 < darix> clifford: inside the chroot it calls "depmod -ae"
14:19 < darix> 12:56:54 < darix> this tries to write the modules.dep for the currently running kernel. not for the build one.
14:19 < darix> 12:57:03 < darix> in our case:
14:19 < darix> 12:57:04 < darix> /sbin/depmod -ae
14:19 < darix> 12:57:04 < darix> depmod: Can't open /lib/modules/2.4.24/modules.dep for writing
14:19 < darix> 12:57:36 < darix> there are parameters for depmod to tell it which system.map and base directory to use.
14:19 < darix> 12:57:56 < darix> we patched the makefile for it. but i think it should be patched in upstream too
14:20 * fake just rebuilt his kernel for oprofile support ;)
14:20 < clifford> darix: which package?
14:20 < clifford> fake: I'm doing the first test-run with profile-based optimized binaries.
14:21 < clifford> (optimizing gawk to play "4 gewinnt": http://www.clifford.at/priv/4gewinnt.awk ;-)
14:21 < fake> clifford: grr. you make me get bored ;)
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14:21 < darix> clifford: we added a hostapd package and at the end of the build process we got this error.
14:22 < daja77> lol
14:22 < darix> he just told me about it. 2 min ago. :)
14:22 < clifford> darix: packages should not run depmod at all because that would create a shared-files conflict with the linux kernel package.
14:22 < mnemoc> darix: you have to patch packages to don't run depmod on buildtime
14:22 < darix> clifford: ok.
14:23 < darix> thanks :)
14:23 < clifford> in 2.1 this will be handled using you new post-install scripts:
14:23 < mnemoc> sometimes make DEPMOD=true   help
14:23 < clifford> e.g. linux kernel registeres a post-install script which runs whenever a package containing kernel modules is added, updated or removed.
14:24 < clifford> (the same for e.g. man: manpages and whatis index, etc.)
14:24 < mnemoc> clifford: can i ask you about 'forward' flag on rocknet? ;)
14:25 < darix> i just installed hm svn. explained him the basics and showed him the svn book :)
14:25 < clifford> mnemoc: there is a design bug in rocknet regarding "global options" such as forward and hostname...
14:26 < mnemoc> clifford: can you read what we talked about it last night? (now-9hr)
14:27 < mnemoc> i would like to know your opinion about conduit and smp and mine visions
14:27 < clifford> arrg.. esden: we have no irc log index for 2004!
14:28 < netrunner> clifford: he knows.
14:28 < mnemoc> :-\
14:28 < clifford> and not logs too?
14:28 < netrunner> clifford: none since sept'03 or so
14:28 < netrunner> clifford: dunno about logs, i know about the stats.
14:28 < clifford> why? it would be great to communicate that so we can fix it!
14:29 < clifford> we have log up to okt. 2003.
14:29 < netrunner> clifford: he says logs exist, he just didn't restart the computing of stats
14:29 < clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/esden/irclog/index-2003.html
14:29 < clifford> ... stops at okt 2003.
14:30 < mnemoc> iirc he did that index by 'hand' that day
14:30 < mnemoc> waiting an interface integration in new website
14:32 < mnemoc> try modifing url of an indexded log
14:32 < clifford> i did.
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14:32 < mnemoc> :)
14:32 < clifford> ..those irc logs are very importand for our google rating!  ;-)
14:33 < fake> *rofl*
14:34 < mnemoc> haha
14:34 < clifford> that's not funny at all..   ;-)
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14:36 < cytrinox`> moin
14:36 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox` 
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14:42 < rxr> re
14:43 < mnemoc> moin rxr
14:44 < clifford> hmmm.... this is very unexpected.
14:44 < clifford> gawk.size:  0m4.830s
14:44 < clifford> gawk.speed: 0m4.885s
14:44 < clifford> gawk.smart: 0m4.910s
14:46 < clifford> eighter the concept is wrong or the testcase is not a good one..  ;-)
14:46 < clifford> oh! wait...
14:47 < mnemoc> rxr: don't you feel the need to browse sm admin? ;-)
14:47 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm at uni and just have an exam behind me
14:47 < rxr> and one tomorrow
14:47 < mnemoc> outch
14:47 < rxr> if I have time later today - and at latest tomorrow I'll do so ...
14:47 < mnemoc> i don't have uni. until march ;)
14:48 < rxr> I already did the svn database convertion between the lines of learning ...
14:48 < rxr> I also have a break after next week
14:48 < rxr> then I have more time for ROCK, GSMP and moving to a new flat ...
14:48 < mnemoc> :o
14:49 < mnemoc> new flat? that's time consuming
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14:50 < laga_> hi!
14:51 < fake> clifford: huh?
14:52 < clifford> fake: just wait a minute - then I will have new values..
14:53 < laga_> i've got another problem: if i say "Build-Target", everything builds fine. but then, it says:"-> Creating package database !> Binary file for <alotoffstuff> not present. Skipped in package database." how can i solve this?
14:54 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, the line you removed from bdb config has to create include/db as symlink to include/db41... i know it was failing but i think we need that symlink
14:54 < mnemoc> laga_: did you svn up while you were building that target?
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14:55 < laga_> mnemoc, what do you mean with "svn up". ist this what the "update-src"-script does?
14:55 < mnemoc> yep
14:56 < clifford> hmm... now optimized for athlon-xp: smart is even slower than before and this time speed is faster than size...
14:56 < mnemoc> that error you get means you didn't succsfully build the _last_ version of that package
14:57 < rxr> mnemoc: but our default bdb is (should be) 4.0 or 4.2 - not the devel 4.1 one
14:57 < rxr> which we should remove anyway ...
14:57 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
14:58 < clifford> I think i need to create more testcases for the smart optimization thing ...
14:58 < mnemoc> rxr: that's a different issue
14:58 < laga_> mnemoc, hmm. i didn't svn up. ok... the building of the binutils-package failed. i used "emerge-pkg binutils" to build it.
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14:59 < mnemoc> emerge-pkg is to build-install localy, not to a target
14:59 < laga_> mnemoc, ok. what do you suggest. "cleanup" and rebuilding everything?
15:00 < mnemoc> laga_: ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete
15:00 < fake> clifford: ack!
15:01 < clifford> fake: It simply doesn't make any sense that smart is slower than size _and_ speed optimization...
15:02 < fake> yes, how can that be?
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15:02 < laga_> mnemoc, ok. i typed it, and did "build-target". it still complains about the missing .gem files.
15:02 < fake> maybe you mixed up speed and size optimizations ? ;)
15:03 < clifford> no - I double-checked the cmd_wrapper.log.
15:03 < mnemoc> laga_: rm build/$yourbuild/root/var/adm/logs/*.err
15:04 < laga_> mnemoc, ok, i'll try it ;)
15:08 < rxr> cu later
15:08 < fake> hm...
15:09 < clifford> fake: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004011514404823724
15:10 < clifford> ...if you want to play with it.
15:12 < daja77> re
15:14 < fake> clifford: i'll do for sure.
15:14 < fake> clifford: btw, in mozilla the cookie-problem is non-existant
15:14 < daja77> fake!
15:15 < fake> daja77!
15:15 < daja77> :)
15:16 < laga_> == 15:00:16 =[2]=> Building base/binutils <- the "[2] means that it is currently in stage 2, or am i wrong?
15:16 < mnemoc> laga_: yes
15:17 < fake> nssdb still causes relocation errors on mips
15:17 < fake> who the f*** needs nssdb?
15:17 < daja77> on p4 too
15:17 < laga_> err. i think i found the problem. stage 2 uses chroot?
15:17 < daja77> i removed that before continuing the build as blindcoder advised me to do
15:18 < mnemoc> clifford: can we *remove* nssdb?
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15:18 < mnemoc> laga_: yes
15:18 < holyolli> moin
15:18 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 
15:19 < holyolli> hola locomnemoco ;-)
15:19 < mnemoc> laga_: for building in stage 2 you need an absolutly successful stage 0 and 1
15:19 < holyolli> (that was for the alcoholy... ;-)
15:19 < daja77> hmm now the number of broken packages reduces to the ones who have trouble with alsa update
15:19 < daja77> hi holyolli 
15:19 < mnemoc> holyolli: i'm not crazy i only have cronic stress
15:19 < holyolli> hi da
15:20 < holyolli> ja77...
15:20 < daja77> grrr
15:20 * fake votes for wipe
15:20 < holyolli> mnemoc: a lot of work to do?
15:21 < mnemoc> i need money, and work gives it... but the crazy doctor thinks i have to that a 4 weeks vacation
15:22 < mnemoc> s/that/have/g
15:22 < laga_> mnemoc, yeah, seems so. binutils is bitching about "chown: `root.root': invalid user" in stage 2. :( is there any way to solve this problem, or do i have to rebuild stage1&2
15:24 < holyolli> mnemoc: i know that problem...not with illness, but with a general big lack of time :(
15:25 < clifford> fake: ad cookies: you where using w3m right?
15:26 < fake> yeah
15:26 < clifford> hmm.. there are cases where nssdb is very useful.
15:26 < clifford> w3m needs -cookie ....  *G*
15:26 < clifford> but if you have a sm working tree you can simply type "sm admin" ..
15:27 < fake> okay
15:30 < clifford> nssdb on mips: does "objdump -T /lib/libnss_db.so.2" show any symbols from libdb?
15:30 < clifford> (or "ldd /lib/libnss_db.so.2" any references to libdb?)
15:32 < fake> cliff: just a second...
15:32 < mnemoc> clifford: BROWSER=links sm admin works great :)
15:32 < fake> i deleted libnss_db ;)
15:33 < daja77> hehe
15:33 < clifford> fake: removing the entry from /etc/nsswitch.conf was noth enought!?
15:33 < fake> i didn't try that.
15:33 < fake> muahaha.
15:33 < fake> i move it to /root on the cobalt
15:33 < fake> here is ldd's output:
15:34 < fake> root@pumuckl:~# ldd libnss_db-2.2.3.so
15:34 < fake>         libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x2ab80000)
15:34 < fake>         /lib/ld.so.1 => /lib/ld.so.1 (0x55580000)
15:34 < fake> no bdb
15:34 < netrunner> *g* pumuckl
15:34 < fake> cobalt = kobold ? ;))
15:34 < clifford> please don't post the objdump output here...  ;-)
15:34 < fake> netrunner: do you work at it4us?
15:34 < netrunner> fake: no, how do you come to that idea?
15:35 < mnemoc> clifford: cron need an existant cron.d to run
15:35 < fake> db_create is the only candidate...
15:35 < fake> netrunner: someone working on rocklinux works in that munich firm...
15:35 < fake> i just don't know who - you were a canidate 
15:36 * netrunner works for bsh
15:36 * netrunner works for money ;)
15:36 * fake works for glory
15:36 * mnemoc works for food :(
15:36 * daja77 works to get depressed
15:38 < netrunner> esden doesnt work at all ;)
15:38 < clifford> fake: yup. that db_create shouldn't be there.
15:39 < blindcoder> fake: IS 4 IT maybe?
15:39 < fake> blindcoder: maybe. so that's you?
15:40 < fake> clifford: what to do?
15:40 < clifford> i don't know.
15:40 < netrunner> IntelligenceServices 4 InternationalTerrorists
15:40 < blindcoder> fake: yes
15:40 < fake> blindcoder: your firm got in contact with mine ;)
15:40 < blindcoder> netrunner: pssssst
15:40 * clifford is so happy that _this_ is not on an irc log now...  ;-)
15:41 < blindcoder> fake: hoeh? Name of the guy?
15:41 < fake> blindcoder: olli is watching some cluster ldap at the hypo-vereinsbank
15:41 < blindcoder> clifford: ehm... it _is_ logged... just not put on the website automaticall
15:41 < fake> 'galgenfrist'
15:41 < netrunner> bombs on rocklinux :)
15:42 < blindcoder> fake: ah, I see. That's the job I should have done but I don't know anything about ldap
15:42 < netrunner> we can hide in our own caves :)
15:42 < fake> hehe
15:42 < fake> rock linux is a weapon of mass distribution
15:42 < clifford> fake: "galgenfrist" = reprieve" or "last respite"
15:43 < netrunner> fake: sure, they stone people to death for centuries in the countries of the axis of evil ;)
15:44 < blindcoder> fake: but that contact still doesn't beat huebi sitting a few corners around from me at HypoVB :)
15:44 < blindcoder> fake: who's the guy from IS4IT?
15:46 < darix> clifford: http://www.josander.net/subversion/svndumps/
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15:51 < fake> blindcoder: no idea
15:51 < fake> hm, eclipse is great
15:55 < darix> fake: what eclipse version with what javahl version do you run?
15:56 < daja77> anyone with wine experience here?
15:57 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004011515285327692
15:57 < clifford> ... Tim Waugh just implemented a feature in patchutils I need for SubMaster. cool!
15:58 < darix> hmm how long do you use svn for rocklinux? 
15:59 < blindcoder> 1.5 years IIRC
15:59 < fake> darix: 3.0M6 with 1.4.2
15:59 < fake> darix: why?
15:59 < clifford> svn log -r 1 http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/
15:59 < clifford> ... says since 2003-04-26 01:28:20 +0200 (Sat, 26 Apr 2003)
16:00 < blindcoder> darix: a bit
16:00 < clifford> but rene started using it already before that for his patches, etc (afaik)
16:00 < darix> fake: i tried it and it crashes for me with heap exception :)
16:00 * darix builds svn rpms for SuSE ;)
16:02 < fake> darix: strange?!
16:02 < fake> darix: it works fine here
16:02 < darix> fake: ill check again later
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16:11 < rolla> re
16:14 < daja77> hi rolla
16:16 < rxr> re
16:17 < rolla> hallo 
16:17 < daja77> hi rxr 
16:18 < rolla> daja77: my build now die with a different error :9
16:18 < daja77> ah a change
16:19 < rolla> yeah
16:19 < rolla> I must rerun my build to capture the error
16:20 < laga_> have you deleted the error logs?
16:20 < daja77> please don't flood again ;-)
16:21 < rolla> I won't
16:21 < daja77> rolla: you know wine?
16:23 < laga_> .oO(...maybe i can emulate a windows-vmware where i can build my rock linux...)
16:23 * mnemoc kicks laga_ 
16:23 < daja77> well done
16:23 < laga_> mnemoc, ;)
16:24 < rxr> SMP: around ?
16:24 < mnemoc> laga_: do you have errors on stage 0 or 1?
16:24 < laga_> mnemoc, i dont think so. at least, i dont have any error logs.. ;)
16:25 < laga_> btw, build-target complains about a mising /etc/profile at the beginning of stage 2. does this matter?
16:26 < mnemoc> mmm
16:35 < rolla> crap gnome got worse
16:35 < daja77> hm?
16:37 < rolla> 2.5.1
16:37 < rolla> I think they went backwards
16:38 < laga_> what do you mean with "got worse"? is it unstable?
16:38 < rolla> no they made it more like windows 95
16:39 < laga_> unstable.
16:39 < rolla> and you can't change how it is setup up
16:39 < laga_> ;)
16:39 < rolla> ugly
16:40 < laga_> hey, at least, you can use gnome. the gnome on my laptop is broken, grmpf. maybe the "unstable" in debian unstable has something to do with ;)
16:40 < mnemoc> clifford: how can i merge a sent patch with something on queue?
16:40 < rolla> laga_: I would not say use after seeing that I went right back to my kde :)
16:40 < laga_> hehe ;)
16:41 * daja77 creating a wine-ancient package
16:42 < clifford> mnemoc: http://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html has got a "How do I.." section which covers that.
16:42 < mnemoc> clifford: thanks :)
16:51 < daja77> == 16:45:45 =[9]=> Building daja77/wine-ancient [20030115 2.0.0-rc5].
16:51 < daja77> grrr
16:52 < laga_> stage )? doesn't it take a lot of time?
16:52 < daja77> huh?
16:52 < mnemoc> ./script/Emerge-Pkg works on stage 9
16:52 < daja77> yep
16:52 < laga_> ah, ok. 
16:53 < daja77> haha oof course it doesn't build
16:55 < laga_> hehe ;) i just hacked a little /etc/passwd together, maybe that "root.root not found" error goes away
17:03 < laga_> ok, now it complais about the missing group. *fix*
17:04 < mnemoc> on stage 2???
17:04 < laga_> yeah.
17:04 < mnemoc> that's strange
17:04 < mnemoc> sysfiles should have created that
17:04 < laga_> i created a /etc/passwd and a /ertc/group by hand, maybe it works now
17:05 < laga_> hmm. maybe sysfiles failed? 
17:05 < mnemoc> only you can check that
17:05 < daja77> scripts/Create-Errlist?
17:06 < laga_> yes. if i 'am lucky, it works now. if not, i'm going to rebuild starting from stage 0
17:06 < laga_> daja77, i deleted all the errors ;)
17:06 < daja77> check if there is a .log file
17:06 < laga_> but i didn't notice that there was something wrong with sysfiles...
17:06 < laga_> ok.
17:11 < mnemoc> laga_: if you delete .err build-target will rebuild them
17:12 < laga_> mnemoc, yes. but only if something fails, or am i wrong?
17:14 < mnemoc> if $stage-$pkg.log --> built fine
17:14 < mnemoc> if $stage-$pkg.err -> it failed
17:14 < mnemoc> if $stage-$pkg.out -> build in progress
17:15 < mnemoc> if build-target can't find .log or .err tries to build it
17:15 < laga_> ok, i understood
17:15 < rxr> someone hours ago asked how long we use Subversion
17:16 < mnemoc> darix did
17:16 < rxr> a nice graph of all the official repositories after the test and setup phase is at:
17:16 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/
17:17 < rxr> I just repaired the graph generation - it was broken since last night due to the subversion update an the new svn log format change I use as input for the graph ...
17:17 < laga_> hmm, binutils failed again to build. maybe i should start from scratch? ;)
17:17 < mnemoc> rxr: can you split the graph is high and low activity repositories?
17:17 < mnemoc> laga_: yes
17:18 < laga_> this time, it says "[..]/binutils/arlex.l: Permission denied
17:18 < laga_> "
17:18 < mnemoc> laga_: are you building as root?
17:18 < laga_> mnemoc, ok. 
17:18 < laga_> yes, i am building as root. 
17:19 < laga_> cleanup -all should do the job, or has anyone a better suggestions?
17:19 < mnemoc> mmm... openssh don' have a $sysconfdir
17:19 < mnemoc> laga_: -full
17:20 < laga_> mnemoc, i mix this up each time ;)
17:22 * daja77 wants to hit sth
17:23 < laga_> daja77, have fun ;)
17:24 * daja77 hits laga_ :D
17:24 * mnemoc gives daja77 a glass of wine ;)
17:25 < daja77> waaaah
17:25 < mnemoc> and a cookie 
17:26 < daja77> cookies are good
17:29 < mnemoc> wine too :)
17:29 < mnemoc> better if it's chilean ;)
17:29 < daja77> i need whisky today
17:29 < daja77> to kill the pain
17:30 < laga_> i've just got beer ;)
17:30 < daja77> pah!
17:31 * mnemoc gives daja a glass of his 12 years scotch
17:32 < daja77> i have just noise here
17:32 < daja77> oh thank you mnemoc 
17:32 < mnemoc> you are welcome daja
17:33 < daja77> [mnemoc]
17:33 < daja77> :D
17:34 < mnemoc> :)
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18:14 < netrunner> what is the thing containing / during scripts/Build-Pkg? because $ROCKCFG_PKG_GAMES_DATADIR contains no leading /
18:17 < mnemoc> hm? what thing are u tlaking abouit?=
18:18 < netrunner> i think it should be $root ... but it does not seem to work :(
18:19 < netrunner> var_append confopt " " "--datadir=${root}${ROCKCFG_PKG_GAMES_DATADIR}"
18:19 < mnemoc> $root/$prefix/foo
18:19 < netrunner> --datadir=usr/shar
18:19 * daja77 off now
18:20 < rxr> netrunner: yes the '/' is missing ...
18:20 < mnemoc> rxr: the config must be assuming a leading /
18:20 < netrunner> rxr: ah, root=''?
18:21 < mnemoc> netrunner: yes
18:21 < rxr> netrunner: yes
18:21 < netrunner> thx :)
18:21 < rxr> me shortly away ...
18:21 < mnemoc> rxr: can you add etc/cron.d to 00-dirtree ?
18:21 < mnemoc> cron don't start without it
18:21 < mnemoc> :(
18:23 < netrunner> is that new? (or maybe the package started checking it's options better in the new version :)
18:24 < mnemoc> not new
18:25 < netrunner> thought so, just wondered.
18:26 < mnemoc> e.g. $root/$prefix/etc ---> '//etc'
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19:02 < rxr> mnemoc: done
19:02 < rxr> Wow:
19:02 < rxr> revision 2200
19:06 < blindcoder> rxr: is it possible to do a var_append globally, ie for the whole build?
19:07 < rxr> var_append for what?
19:07 < blindcoder> I'd like to var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND " " "-static"
19:07 < blindcoder> ie link all packages statically
19:08 < rxr> in your target?
19:08 < rxr> use a parse-config
19:08 < blindcoder> okay, thanks
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19:09 < holyolli> huhu Lorini
19:09 < Lorini> hi holyolli
19:30 < daja77> re
19:32 < fake> hi Lorini!
19:32 < Lorini> hi fake :)
19:32 < daja77> huhu laga_ ;-)
19:32 < daja77> grrr
19:33 < daja77> huhu Lorini 
19:33 < Lorini> hi daja ;)
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19:44 < netrunner> this submaster sucks his arguments when being run with perl sm.pl bla
19:45 < netrunner> hm, no.
19:48 * netrunner building new subversion
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20:39 < mnemoc> how can i give args to a module loaded by rockplug?
20:53 < blindcoder> /etc/modules.conf ?
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20:56 < darix> does rockplug detects different devices which uses the same driver? so i can specify options per devices? (i know hwscan does create ids for each device it sees)
20:57 < mnemoc> blindcoder: is it considered?
20:58 < blindcoder> mnemoc: it should...
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21:02 < mnemoc> blindcoder: oh! you were right <:o)
21:04 < blindcoder> of course I was :)
21:04 < blindcoder> modules.conf is used by modprobe/insmod which in turn are used by rockplug
21:05 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i was expecting some dirty code inside rockplug to do it alone :)
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21:06 < darix> blindcoder: what about my problem. will rockplug solve it?
21:06 < codrezel> hi
21:11 < blindcoder> darix: IIRC rockplug uses the same mechanism as hwscan, but that's a question better directed at rxr or clifford 
21:12 < blindcoder> sorry >_<
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21:27 < daja77> cool 20c3 video plays with xine
21:27 < daja77> not with mplayer btw
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21:35 < kandinski> esden 
21:36 < kandinski> fake
21:36 < kandinski> I talked to you during CCC 2000, and took your picture
21:36 < kandinski> how are you doing?
21:45 < blindcoder> daja77: and perl doesn't like -static
21:47 < fake> [i
21:47 < fake> hi
21:47 < fake> kandinski: the spanish guy?
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21:51 < A-Tui> hi all
21:52 < blindcoder> GAH! Why the fuck does coreutils need perl to compile! *GRAAAAAH*
21:53 < mnemoc> blindcoder: kernel does too
21:54 < blindcoder> d'oh...
21:54 < laga_> hmm, i need better hardware...it takes a long time to compile on a machine with 700 mhz ;)
21:54 < kandinski> fake: yes
21:55 < kandinski> I remember I wrote you with the pictures I took
21:55 < kandinski> but I think you never saw the article
21:55 < kandinski> fake: it's online, in case you know someone who reads Spanish
21:55 < blindcoder> pictures? FAKE allowed pictures to be taken of him???
21:55 < blindcoder> my world collapses...
21:57 < kandinski> blindcoder, beeleeveetornot
21:57 < kandinski> unfortunately I am on a cheap dial-up that doesn't let me see my server
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22:05 < fake> kandinski: i think we read the article, translated by some online translator... IIRC
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22:32 < codrezel> F1
22:32 < mnemoc> hm?
22:32 < codrezel> i have a little prob
22:32 < codrezel> can u help me?
22:33 < laga_> ,aybe. hust ask ;)
22:33 < mnemoc> everything depends of what rpoblem do u want my help
22:33 < laga_> err. "maybe, just ask"
22:33 < codrezel> i upgraded my linux system from 2.4.22 kernel to 2.6.1 kernel
22:33 < codrezel> ,but now my framebuffer doesnīt start...
22:34 < mnemoc> codrezel: tried by hand? (modprobe)
22:34 < codrezel> he canīt find the device under 2.6.1, but under 2.4.22 he starts...
22:34 < codrezel> i donīt know why
22:34 < mnemoc> depmod?
22:34 < holyolli> codrezel: did you compile devfs into the kernel?
22:35 < codrezel> yes i compiled it into the kernel
22:35 * mnemoc is stupid today... today?.... today
22:37 < codrezel> no one knows...?
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22:38 < codrezel> ok, thx, cu
22:38 < mnemoc> the *2.6.1* module can't find a compatible device?
22:38 < codrezel> yes
22:38 < codrezel> it canīt find it
22:39 < kandinski> fake, esden: I fell and don't know whether you said anything
22:39 < mnemoc> have you tried adding it built in?
22:39 < kandinski> anyway, just wanted to ask how is everything
22:39 < codrezel> yes
22:39 < codrezel> i tried...
22:39 < codrezel> but itīs the same
22:39 < mnemoc> what dmesg say about your video card?
22:40 < codrezel> ?
22:40 < mnemoc> dmesg | less
22:40 < codrezel> wait
22:42 < codrezel> very much
22:42 < codrezel> what do u want to know?
22:48 < mnemoc> if kernel found your video card, use it's info to install de fb module
22:50 < codrezel> it says itīs a ati radeon, i installed the radeonfb
22:50 < codrezel> but it doesnīt start...
22:50 < codrezel> thatīs the prob i have
22:50 < codrezel> itīs the same like under 2.4.22 but there it starts...under 2.6.1 not
22:52 < mnemoc> look in the doc options for radeonfb, u should can give it the card in the hand
22:53 < codrezel> hm,ok, iīll try...thx
22:54 < mnemoc> sorry i can't give you a 'magic tip'
22:55 < codrezel> itīs ok, maybe i get it...
22:56 < codrezel> ok, i have to go now, thx, cu
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23:09 < mnemoc> any reason to have php on /usr ?
23:09 < mnemoc> SMP:?
23:09 < netrunner> mnemoc: you do not need it at boot?
23:09 < mnemoc> :)
23:10 < mnemoc> why not at /opt/apache
23:10 < netrunner> mnemoc: because you can have php without apache. same with mysql :)
23:10 < mnemoc> ack about mysql
23:10 < mnemoc> but php...
23:11 < mnemoc> yes you can.. but...
23:11 < mnemoc> ok
23:12 * mnemoc can't understand ppl how try to do what they should do with perl with php
23:12 < mnemoc> php is everyday more fat
23:18 < netrunner> hm ... builder kernel: MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 1.
23:18 < netrunner> nice to know.
23:19 < mnemoc> cute error
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23:29 < netrunner> sm create rock svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk
23:29 < netrunner> svn: '.' is not a working copy
23:29 < netrunner> what is my problem today?
23:31 < netrunner> ah, the turned options problem ...
23:32 < netrunner> D: svnadmin create /usr/src/rock-linux.sm/SVN
23:32 < netrunner> svn: Berkeley DB error while creating environment for filesystem /usr/src/rock-linux.sm/SVN/db:
23:32 < netrunner> Invalid argument
23:32 < netrunner> grmblgrmpft
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23:34 < darix> wtf is sm?
23:34 < darix> i know svk ... 
23:34 < daja77> submaster
23:34 < netrunner> darix: submaster, a tool to handle subversion better 
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23:34 < netrunner> darix: ah, admit you're ignoring my complaints! ;)
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23:35 < darix> netrunner: i dont ignore them im just busy.
23:35 < darix> url to submaster?
23:35 * netrunner wildly guessing and building bdb42
23:35 < netrunner> darix: sorry, i meant daja77
23:35 < darix> oh ic :D
23:35 < netrunner> not even tab-completion works for me today.
23:35 < daja77> <- watching c3 video
23:35 < netrunner> darix: svn co svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/submaster submaster
23:35 < daja77> just need a pause
23:36 < netrunner> darix: np :)
23:36 < darix> quite old stuff netrunner  :)
23:36 < mnemoc> netrunner: it was moved to submaster/trunk
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23:36 < netrunner> mnemoc: I just checked it out that way ...
23:37 < mnemoc> sure you can, but you will get submaster/trunk in your working copy
23:37 < mnemoc> check it :)
23:37 < netrunner> mnemoc: ok, you win.
23:37 < mnemoc> :)
23:38 < darix> looks like another offline svn try :D
23:38 < mnemoc> darix: it's not a 'try'... we are using it
23:38 < mnemoc> www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html
23:39 < darix> mnemoc: yeah there are other solutions for the problem :)
23:39 * netrunner is failing to use it.
23:40 < darix> mnemoc: http://monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de/~darix/svnmirror.sh.txt =)
23:40 * netrunner goes to bed, makes no sense to continue today. n8*
23:40 < mnemoc> darix: the purpose is not the offline part, the purpose is the patch handling
23:41 < mnemoc> gn8 netrunner 
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23:43 < rolla> yawn
23:44 < mnemoc> hi rolla 
23:44 < rolla> hallo mnemoc 
23:44 < rolla> my rock build sucks
23:44 < darix> added to my link db :)
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23:45 < mnemoc> it's very dependant to patchutils
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23:46 < rolla2> :)
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23:46 < mnemoc> ehm
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