--- Log opened Sat Jan 17 00:00:09 2004
00:09 < rxr> jsaw: jups - can you remeber me this weekend?
00:10 < jsaw> rxr: oki
00:10 < rxr> exams have been a bit strange - but I'm not sure if my answer (especially for some strange or damned questions) are enough for my preferred mark ...
00:11 < jsaw> `preferred mark' :)
00:12 < rxr> ,-)
00:19 < rxr> cu - n8 all
00:20 < daja77> n8 rc
00:20 < daja77> rxr
00:20 < daja77> grr
00:20 < jsaw> gn8 rxr
00:20 < jsaw> gn8 daja77's brain
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00:29 < jsaw> me also tired, cu!
00:30 < daja77> n8 jsaw 
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00:33 < jsaw> bye daja77 
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00:45 * mnemoc back home
00:47 * daja77 just mailed to ml
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00:49 < daja77> n8 you all
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02:12 < bofh> hi all
02:18 < mnemoc> hi
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02:37 < batok> mnemoc, still there?
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02:40 < batok> does anybody here speak spanish ? if so please join me at rocklinux-spa channel...
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02:40 < freed> hi all
02:41 < batok> hi freed
02:41 < freed> hi batok
02:41 < freed> can anyone help please?
02:42 < freed> i switched from bsd to linux on my notebook
02:42 < freed> now i have build a new kernel 2.6.1
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02:43 < freed> when i boot and init start i can see many error messages "FATAL: Module xxx not found"
02:43 < freed> what going wrong?
02:44 < mnemoc> run depmod
02:44 < freed> oki
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10:05 < blindcoder> moin
10:08 < netrunner> moin, 2
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10:36 < rxr> re
10:42 < blindcoder> moin rxr
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11:54 < daja77> moin
11:54 < blindcoder> moin moin
11:54 < daja77> huhu blindy
12:11 * blindcoder gone blind?
12:11 < blindcoder> Where is the Strip all binaries option?
12:12 < daja77> expert options?
12:12 < blindcoder> can't find it...
12:14 < blindcoder> doesn't seem to exist anymore...
12:14 < blindcoder> can't find it in config anywhere
12:14 < daja77> Optimise for size and not for speed? perhaps
12:15 < blindcoder> then the binaries ar still stripped...
12:15 < blindcoder> but I need debug information right now...
12:15 < blindcoder> if [ "$ROCKCFG_OPT" = 1 ] ; then
12:16 < blindcoder> that's the check in strip_wrapper
12:16 < blindcoder> brb, lunch
12:23 < rxr> blindcoder: clifford changed them ...
12:24 < rxr> see svn log | less
12:24 < daja77> hi rxr
12:25 * daja77 wondering about stefan fiedler's patches
12:32 < rxr> daja77: ?
12:34 < blindcoder> ah, got it now
12:34 < blindcoder> daja77: i'm mork wondering about that "X *"
12:43 < daja77> yeah
12:44 < daja77> rxr: that patch that disables oss only stuff, and that one which removes qt31dir var ...
12:45 < rxr> they seem to look ok - do you have you see problem applying them =
12:46 < rxr> cool - my ALSA C++ lib does work now again ...
12:46 < daja77> erh i don't know why to remove qt31 dir before updating to qt3.2
12:47 < daja77> + there are machines where only oss modules are working, got a report of that just yesterday, so i don't see why deselecting them, even if they suck mostly
12:47 < rxr> daja77: I already deselect them in the desktop target
12:47 < blindcoder> I'm perfectly fine with OSS here
12:47 < rxr> daja77: he just fixed this to not disable 2.6 ALSA stuff ..
12:48 < rxr> daja77: and I never saw a card that does work with OSS and not with ALSA
12:48 < rxr> daja77: if there is a combination (that is not a user error) it should be reported
12:48 < rxr> daja77: OSS sucks extremely for any semi-professional use
12:48 * blindcoder did'nt get any card working with ALSA yet
12:48 < daja77> k.
12:49 < daja77> which card?
12:49 < rxr> daja77: for my studio use ALSA is the only API where 8 channels low-latency full-duplex can be archived with real-time effect computing in the backgroud ...
12:49 < blindcoder> em10k1 for one
12:50 < rxr> blindcoder: I only saw this one working out-of-the-box - IIRC Clifford has one, too
12:50 < daja77> what about the qtdir stuff
12:51 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe the alsa autodetection simply screwed up back then
12:52 < rxr> daja77: the code is just a left over from the time where out /etc/profile.d/qt file missed the export QTDIR ...
12:53 < rxr> although we should keep care with those variables to use the QTDIR31 where the package only works with the version 3.1.x ...
12:53 < rxr> s/out/our/ ... ;-)
12:54 < daja77> ;-)
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12:55 < rxr> hi kandinski 
12:55 * daja77 has clt previwe flyers now ...
12:56 < daja77> preview*
12:56 < daja77> hi kandinski 
12:57 < daja77> we got novell as a sponsor O_o
12:57 < blindcoder> WEE! almost everything I need links statically now :)
12:58 < daja77> cool
12:58 < daja77> lvp stuff?
12:58 < blindcoder> daja77: yes
12:58 * daja77 should create a lvp dvd with 20c3 videos on it
12:59 < blindcoder> daja77: I want to link the binaries I need (bash, gawk, find, X, mplayer, lvp) statically and only put those on the DVD
12:59 < blindcoder> I hope to save space this way
12:59 < blindcoder> and it looks _very_ promising
12:59 < kandinski> hi everyone
12:59 < daja77> linked against dietlibc, or glibc?
12:59 < daja77> ah ok forgot it
13:00 < daja77> there is only one who links X against dietlibc
13:00 < daja77> Aard: can you hear me?
13:00 < blindcoder> daja77: glibc for now
13:00 * daja77 hides
13:00 < blindcoder> daja77: well, on a dietlibc-linux system it shouldn't be a problem building a dietlibc-ROCK system
13:00 < blindcoder> the problem is x-compiling from one libc to another
13:01 < daja77> so you mean building dietlibc target, install it, and then compiling lvp would help?
13:01 < daja77> doubt that
13:02 < daja77> anyway having breakfast now
13:26 < Aard> daja77: no
13:27 < mnemoc> moin
13:37 < cytrinox`> moin
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13:48 < laga__> hi
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13:53 < daja77> Aard: :)
13:54 < Aard> daja77: thou shall not trigger markers ;)
13:59 < daja77> well the topic was linking x against dietlibc, that is your marker
13:59 < Aard> daja77: no, it is not ;) getting XFree reproducable linking is still an todo.
14:00 < Aard> and I have do redo some stuff since some asshole has stolen an external hd with some 100 mb of stuff 
14:01 < daja77> on congress?
14:02 < daja77> .oO fefe just mentioned a weird guy who sent him patches so that dietlibc would link against x ...
14:02 < Aard> daja77: no, last week. I've been traveling in january, too -- which meant I had no time to mirror the hd were all my work was.
14:02 < daja77> :(
14:03 < Aard> I'm a little bit pissed off since then :(
14:04 < Aard> it was in my backpack, which was standing _closed_ on my side. somewhere must have opened it while I was talking to another guy
14:04 < daja77> yeah sur, things like that suck
14:05 < daja77> argl
14:05 < blindcoder> WEEE!
14:05 < blindcoder> It works! It works! WEE!
14:05 < blindcoder> a complete LVP Live System in 30MB!
14:05 < Aard> blindcoder: LVP?
14:06 < blindcoder> Aard: yes, freshmeat.net/LVP
14:06 < daja77> 30mb, cool
14:06 < blindcoder> it meant Linux Video Player once, but I decided to just call it LVP by now :)
14:07 < blindcoder> daja77: If only I can get mplayer to link statically now, then it would also be useful :)
14:07 < daja77> hehe
14:07 < blindcoder> oh, and some kernel modules would probably rock, too :)
14:08 < Aard> bbl (rewriting lost code) :(
14:08 < daja77> cu Aard 
14:08 < blindcoder> Aard: bye
14:12 < blindcoder> good, modules now there and filesystem grew to 40 MB
14:12 < blindcoder> still way better than before ;)
14:12 < blindcoder> LVP might actually become usable for CDs :)
14:18 < laga__> hmm. maybe you can use compression, like knoppix?
14:18 < blindcoder> I used to use gzexe on the binaries, and I plan to do so again
14:19 < blindcoder> it saves around 50% binary size
14:19 < blindcoder> so there will probably be another 10MB space freed
14:20 < blindcoder> but it already is a huge progress from the current 230MB(!)
14:21 < laga__> cool!
14:22 < blindcoder> and when that is done, I can finally use initrd and switch between lvp's without rebooting
14:22 < blindcoder> and best of all: eject the cd/dvd before shutting down :)
14:23 < laga__> really nice.
14:25 < laga__> hmm, seems that my rock linux compiled successfully, apart from xfree86 :(
14:26 < mnemoc> hm?
14:26 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
14:26 < mnemoc> hi dajaboy
14:26 < daja77> :p
14:26 < laga__> hi mnemoc ;)
14:27 < esden> blindcoder: do you compress modules with gzip?
14:27 < esden> hy all sbtw
14:27 < daja77> hi esden
14:27 < blindcoder> esden: hi, long time no see
14:28 < blindcoder> esden: no, just executables for now
14:28 < blindcoder> but at the moment I still fight with mplayer
14:28 < blindcoder> everything but mplayer links statically by now, even xfree
14:29 < blindcoder> (and works, btw)
14:29 < blindcoder> esden: where have you been on wednesday?
14:30 < blindcoder> why do I even try talking to him?
14:31 < esden> blindcoder: compressing the modules would free some more kb's ;)
14:32 < esden> I was not able to come ... and I will most likely stop coming on wenesday ... because I have no time for that ...
14:32 < esden> I am currently on university ... had to discuss some points about the specification I am writing
14:32 < esden> and I will hopefully be able to leave in the next 2 or 3 hours .. *sigh*
14:34 < esden> blindcoder: are you really sure that statically linking everything will make the system smaller? have you checked that?
14:34 < esden> perhups a combination of statically linked and dynamically linked would be better or so ...
14:34 < blindcoder> esden: it doe
14:34 < blindcoder> s
14:34 < blindcoder> esden: old: 230 new: 30
14:34 < esden> ahh ok
14:35 < blindcoder> that's the current state of things
14:35 < blindcoder> esden: so, please call next time if you can't come
14:35 < blindcoder> I'm not very excited about leaving my blinkenLEDs at bitz for nothing
14:35 < esden> I have called christina at least ...
14:35 < esden> ohh ... I did not know that you took it with you
14:35 < blindcoder> she said you haven't
14:36 < esden> blindcoder: my god ... she has a problem with her cellphone that is sure now!
14:36 < esden> I wrote a 4 sms sms ... explaining everything >_<
14:36 < esden> *GRRRR*
14:37 < esden> that was the longest sms I ever wrote ;)
14:39 < blindcoder> ah well, I had a great time on wednesday, so I shouldn't bother
14:39 < daja77> no you once sent me an 8 sms sms with a pcitur ...
14:40 < esden> ok ... checking in several hundred lines of text ...
14:40 < daja77> but they weren't useful for me :(
14:40 < esden> daja77: that was a generated sms so it does not count
14:41 < esden> daja77: I can send you more binary sms if you like ;)
14:41 < daja77> hehe ok
14:41 < daja77> no!
14:41 < daja77> just want to have that picture *sigh*
14:41 < esden> *GG*
14:41 < esden> :P
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16:30 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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16:57 < nookie> http://www.heise.de/ct/schlagseite/04/02/gross.jpg
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17:07 < mnemoc> nookie: translation? :)
17:07 < laga__> lol ;)
17:08 < laga__> "moses, the soup will be cold"-"wait, just one more bid"
17:08 < laga__> sorry for the bad translation ;)
17:09 < mnemoc> thanks :)
17:10 < laga__> btw, thanks for your advice yesterday. now i'm stuck on stage 7 ;)
17:10 < mnemoc> hm? what advice? o_O
17:11 < laga__> i was the one whose rock did'nt want to build binutils on stage 2 ;)
17:13 < mnemoc> :) missing packages in your minimal+xf86 :)
17:13 < laga__> yeah ;)
17:14 < mnemoc> did you discovered why?
17:15 < laga__> no. i deleted my config/default und rebuild it ;)
17:15 < mnemoc> d'oh
17:15 < laga__> hmm?
17:16 < mnemoc> you don't have scientific soul :)
17:16 < laga__> hmm, maybe, you are right ;)
17:17 < laga__> i think that the problem was the stupid thing between chair and desk ;)
17:18 < laga__> and it's the first time i use rock linux. i don't have any clue about it ;)
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17:45 * mnemoc -> lunch
17:52 < nookie> mnemoc: enjoy
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18:41 < Twili> Can any one answer this question
18:42 < Twili> I have run J2sdk.... but it still is not showing up
18:45 < SMP> Twili: you are not making any sense
18:46 < Twili> sure let me explain
18:47 < Twili> I have RH9, netscape. and have loaded as suggested from http://home.bredband.no/gaulyk/java/tutorial/javaredhat.html
18:47 < Twili> if I am not making sense....what is the other way then
18:47 < Twili> ?)
18:47 < Twili> :)
18:49 < SMP> and how is this related to ROCK Linux?
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18:54 < laga__> ii've just wanted to give him an advice, but if he doesn't want...
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19:00 < batok> names
19:05 < tcr> moin all
19:10 < netrunne1> moin tcr :)
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19:38 < mnemoc> re
19:40 < mnemoc> what should be the right location for packages like phppgadmin? inside pgsql prefix? inside apache prefix? an absolutly differente place?
19:59 < nookie> daja77: ping
20:00 < mnemoc> rolla: ping
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20:22 * netrunner crusing through germany, cu tomorrow :)
20:26 < mnemoc> cu netrunner 
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20:50 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:56 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder 
20:56 < mnemoc> do u know how the hell tar's --exclude works??
20:58 < blindcoder> no
20:58 < mnemoc> :(
20:59 < mnemoc> aaaarg!!! :\
21:00 < mnemoc> i can't be fighting tar and ln :( this s.th is frustrating
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21:04 < blindcoder> mnemoc: what do you want to do?
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21:06 < mnemoc> when untaring i want to untar everything exect one file
21:06 < mnemoc> exept*
21:07 < mnemoc> aaarg..ñ
21:08 < blindcoder> hm...
21:08 < mnemoc> an making a symlink to a dir, (/tmp/bar foo/bar) the second time i get foo/bar/bar :(
21:08 < blindcoder> tar tfI foo.tbz2 > list
21:08 < blindcoder> grep -v filename list >list.new
21:08 < blindcoder> tar xfI foo.tbz2 `cat list.new`
21:08 < blindcoder> rm -f list list.new
21:08 < blindcoder> done :)
21:08 < mnemoc> :)
21:09 < mnemoc> tar claim to have a cleaner (--exclude) method :(
21:09 < blindcoder> or tar xfv foo.tbz2 `tar tfI foo.tbz2 | grep -v filename`
21:09 < blindcoder> brb
21:17 < blindcoder> re
21:18 < mnemoc> that last is nice :)
21:24 < mnemoc> when will rene finish his exams?
21:24 < blindcoder> no idea
21:24 < blindcoder> I thought he already had
21:25 < mnemoc> --exclude-from don't work as expected neither :(
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23:48 < holyolli> moin
23:48 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 
23:49 < blindcoder> moin holyolli 
23:49 < holyolli> hi mnemoc
23:49 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
23:49 < holyolli> has anyone of you seen madtux?
23:51 < blindcoder> not today
23:51 < mnemoc> not this week :\
23:51 < holyolli> hm
23:52 < mnemoc> #rocklinux.01-13.log <--- last log with "MadTux"
23:53 < holyolli> thx, mnemoc
23:56 * blindcoder bed
23:56 < blindcoder> bye
23:56 < holyolli> n8 blindcoder
23:57 * holyolli is now also going to bed...
23:57 < holyolli> cya
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