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00:13 < jsaw> re
00:16 < holyolli> cya
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00:18 * mnemoc to home... bbl
00:18 < jsaw> cu, mnemoc 
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00:45 < mnemoc> re 
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01:47 < jsaw> mv self home... bbl
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02:08 < batok> I am trying to do my first target build but there's an error out there... www.smartics.biz/rock1.jpg  
02:09 < jsaw> re
02:10 < batok> is ./scripts/Build-Target enough ?
02:10 < jsaw> batok: query...
02:55 < mnemoc> re
02:56 < mnemoc> hi batok 
03:03 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
03:04 < mnemoc> hi master
03:04 < batok> hi mnemoc
03:05 < mnemoc> batok=bato+k?
03:05 < batok> yeap
03:06 < mnemoc> =)
03:07 < jsaw> hmmm, master, you must have forgotten the <ironic> tags
03:07 < jsaw> :)
03:09 < mnemoc> no irony =)
03:16 < jsaw> mnemoc: do you see any reason for gpgme-0.4 (alpha) instead of gpgme-0.3.16 (semi-stable, according to the hp)?
03:16 < jsaw> seahorse is the only package using it, and it requires gpgme-0.3.16, so...?
03:17 < mnemoc> many updates are done without thinking
03:18 < jsaw> (-:.oO(no comment)
03:19 < mnemoc> some ppl has the idea that odd versions are devel
03:20 < mnemoc> e.g. bdb
03:20 < jsaw> yeah, but I don't think rene is doing that. I'll check this a bit more carefully, maybe I overlooked sth. while grepping.
03:21 < mnemoc> maybe :)
03:22 < mnemoc> i get quite annoyed when i found updates which don't even apply the patches :|
03:23 < mnemoc> i can't understand why they send update patches without testing at least that stuff
03:27 < mnemoc> what 'stalled' means on edonkey?
03:28 < jsaw> don't know
03:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: what do u think about https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004011521263017791
03:32 < mnemoc> didn't i vote for it??
03:32 < jsaw> nope
03:33 < mnemoc> done :)
03:33 < jsaw> :)
03:33 < mnemoc> when i added pkg*() functions i was thinking only in config.in, nover on $pkg.conf
03:34 < mnemoc> pkgexists is what $pkg.conf should use
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03:39 < jsaw> mnemoc: btw, I guess you should check 2004011518110128205, (cron needs...). The 00-dirtree part seems to be already in svn.
03:40 < mnemoc> yes... he did it when i said that on irc, but the other clean up is too silly to have it's own post :(
03:40 < mnemoc> i'll add a note :)
03:42 * mnemoc likes submaster
03:43 * jsaw also likes submaster
03:43 < mnemoc> a [My Archive] is missing
03:46 * mnemoc thinking in writing a couple of patches for it
03:48 < jsaw> "sm master-status" e.g.
03:48 < jsaw> ... is missing imo
03:48 < jsaw> and "sm fsync <file>"
03:51 < mnemoc> sm diff against master
03:52 < jsaw> yep. I'll copy this into a mail to clifford, k?
03:52 < mnemoc> sure :)
03:57 < jsaw> done
03:58 < jsaw> I think I should move myself to bed -even if not tired- gotta stand up early...
03:58 < jsaw> cu soon
03:59 < jsaw> batok: enjoy your "rock-router" or "router-rocks"
03:59 < batok> thanks
04:00 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep too
04:00 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw 
04:00 < mnemoc> gn8 batok 
04:00 < batok> gn8
04:00 < jsaw> gn8 mnemoc 
04:00 < batok> here is just 21:00 in Mexico
04:01 < jsaw> here is just 04:00 in Germany ... ohoh, damned late, bye
04:01 < batok> bye
04:01 < batok> and tks for the help
04:01 < mnemoc> midnight here :)
04:02 < mnemoc> gn8 all
04:02 < batok> gn8
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04:26 < capt_tenneal> http://audio.toris.ca:82/songs/    ..Apparently I got it working now...Can someone confirmation here that?
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06:10 < asshole|universe> moin
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08:40 < asshole|universe> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,282592,00.html O_o
08:46 < daja77> yeah I love my inbox
08:46 < daja77> I can now order soma online *yes*
08:48 < asshole|universe> *lol*
08:48 < asshole|universe> hi daja77 
08:49 < daja77> hi owl
08:49 < asshole|universe> how are you?
08:49 < daja77> fine thx
08:50 < asshole|universe> read spiegel.de?
08:50 < daja77> not yet
08:50 < asshole|universe> if not, i suggest you to do it... today there are some very, very "amusing" news *ggg*
08:55 < daja77> hmm interesting
08:55 < asshole|universe> hm?
08:56 < daja77> that url
08:56 < asshole|universe> IDENTITÄTSDIEBSTAHL
08:56 < asshole|universe> "Und plötzlich war ich Ladenbesitzerin"
08:56 < asshole|universe> Von Frank Patalong 
08:56 < asshole|universe> Wahre Hammerpreise bietet er diese Woche, der Eushop-Online: Digitalkameras der Spitzenklasse zum halben Preis. Die angebliche Betreiberin des Shops lebt in München - nur wusste sie bisher gar nicht, dass sie Ladenbesitzerin ist. Die Polizei ermittelt - und kann nur wenig unternehmen.
08:56 < asshole|universe>  
08:56 < asshole|universe> Nur vordergründig professionell gemacht: Dieser Webshop ist wahrscheinlich eine Falle 
08:56 < asshole|universe> Seit Freitagvormittag weiß Alexandra B., dass sie Betreiberin eines Online-Shops in Amerika ist. Da rief dieser Mann an, Mathias B., fragte nach, so "richtig mit Fangfragen": Nach den tollen aktuellen Angeboten, nach ihrer Person. Schließlich, ob sie die Betreiberin des Eushop-Online sei? 
08:56 < asshole|universe> "Was für ein Shop?", fragte sie ihn, "ich fiel ja aus allen Wolken." 
08:56 < asshole|universe> Der Anrufer wusste eine ganze Menge über sie: ihren Namen, ihre vollständige Adresse, dazu eine Telefonnummer, die aber gar nicht ihre sei. "Die gehört meinem Lebensgefährten, und die ist gar nicht öffentlich. Ich habe keine Ahnung, wie die an diese Nummer gekommen sind!" 
08:56 < asshole|universe> "Die", das sind die Leute, die die Internetadresse "eushop-online.com" unter Alexandra B.s Namen beim amerikanischen Internet-Registrar Enom anmeldeten. Der verkaufte die Domain dann angeblich an Alexandra B., die ihre Adressdaten und besagte Telefonnummer seitdem über die internationalen "Whois"-Datenbänke der Internet-Registrare einsehen kann. So hatte auch der Anrufer Kontakt zu Alexandra B. gefunden. 
08:56 < asshole|universe> Falsch, falscher, Dumpingshop 
08:56 < asshole|universe> Hinterlegt ist die Seite, die von sich behauptet, aus Portugal zu kommen, in Houston, Texas. Doch das alles heißt gar nichts: Der nur auf den ersten Blick professionell gestaltete Shop glänzt vor allem durch schlechtes Englisch, zahlreiche Tipp- und Grammatikfehler. 
08:56 < asshole|universe> Ein seltsamer Shop, der da hochpreisige Gerätschaften zu Dumpingpreisen feilbietet: Er hat eine Eignerin in München, die davon nichts weiß, eine Mutterfirma in Portugal, die nirgendwo zu finden ist, und Webserver in den USA. Ein schlechter Scherz, um Alexandra B. Ärger zu machen? 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Wohl weit mehr als das. Immerhin, sagt Alexandra B., "versuchen die ja schon, Kunden-Kontaktdaten gleich mit Kreditkartennummer abzufragen". 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Der Gang zur Polizei: Notwendige Selbstversicherung 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Kurz nachdem Alexandra B. von "ihrem" Shop erfuhr, wandte sie sich an die Münchner Polizei. "Die konnten mir erst gar nicht helfen und sagten, es sei ja auch kein richtiger Schaden entstanden." Später dann bekam Alexandra B. Kontakt zur Münchener Internetstreife, die bundesweit als eine der bestinformierten Polizeidienststellen in Sachen Internet gilt. 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Dort verstand man ihr Problem sofort. "Ein Beamter riet mir, förmlich Anzeige gegen unbekannt zu erstatten." In hektische Betriebsamkeit, meint Alexandra B., sei wegen ihres Falles aber niemand verfallen. 
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08:57 < asshole|universe> Aus gutem Grund, denn unternehmen kann die Münchner Polizei zunächst wenig: Auf dem Amtsweg eine Einstellung der Website auf einem Server in Houston, Texas, zu erwirken, dürfte dauern. Bis dahin aber macht der Eushop-Online weiter seine sonderbaren Sonderangebote, fragt Kreditkartennummern ab. 
08:57 < asshole|universe> "Vorsichtigen" Kunden in den USA, die sich auf die Kreditkartenzahlung nicht einlassen wollen, bietet Eushop-Online auch die Barzahlung an - per Vorkasse. Empfänger des Geldes ist ein Mann in Porto, Nordportugal, der zwar über eine Adresse verfügt, über Telefonverzeichnisse aber nicht zu finden ist. 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Sein (amerikanischer) Name ist im Web dagegen nicht ganz unbekannt: Der Gute hängt als verdienstvoller Basketball-Trainer in der "Hall of Fame" des Basketballverbandes Illinois, USA. Nicht unmöglich, dass auch diese Identität "geliehen" ist. 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Die Warnung geht durchs Web 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Das alles sei kein Einzelfall, glaubt Mathias B., der Alexandra B. über ihr angebliches Engagement in den augenscheinlichen Betrugsfall informiert hatte. Seit Freitag letzter Woche beteiligt sich B. auch an Online-Diskussionen zum Thema, warnt vor dem Eushop-Online. Denn Mathias B. hat seine Erfahrungen gemacht, hatte bereits im Vorjahr einen ähnlichen Shop mit ähnlichen Angeboten als "Powerseller" bei eBay kommen und gehen sehen. 
08:57 < daja77> ./kick owl
08:57 < asshole|universe> Gerade bei eBay sind solche Dinge tatsächlich nicht selten. Nach einer Statistik des Landeskriminalamtes Sachsen stieg die Zahl der angezeigten eBay-Betrügereien im letzten Jahr um 132,8 Prozent auf jetzt 2305 aktenkundige Fälle. Neben zahlreichen Klein-Betrügereien (Ware verkaufen, nie liefern) kommt es dabei immer wieder zu notorisch Sonderverkaufsauktionen mit hochpreisigen Waren: Besonders gern werden Digitalkameras und Apple-Computer angeboten. Fü
08:57 < asshole|universe> Alexandra B. hingegen ist echt, was die Glaubwürdigkeit des windigen Angebotes potenziell erhöht. Noch weiß man nicht, ob bereits Internet-Surfer auf den Betrug hereinfielen. Das wird sich erst in einigen Wochen herausstellen, wenn geprellte Kunden beginnen, nach der nicht gelieferten Ware zu fragen. 
08:57 < asshole|universe> Das Nachspiel könnte ärgerlich werden 
08:57 < asshole|universe> An wen die sich dann wenden könnten, schwant Alexandra B. so langsam: Während sich der Impressum-Link auf der Shop-Website per Klicktest als Fälschung erweist, ist ihre Adresse und Telefonnummer ja korrekt angegeben. "Aber", sagt sie, "ich handele definitiv nicht mit Kameras!" Jetzt steigt die Angst. Alexandra B.: "Die haben mir schon bei der Polizei gesagt, dass es sogar passieren könnte, dass Anzeigen aus den USA erfolgen. Das ist dann zwar alles bew
08:58 < asshole|universe>  
08:58 < asshole|universe>     IM INTERNET
08:58 < asshole|universe>  
08:58 < asshole|universe> ·  Seltsamer Webshop ungeklärter Herkunft: Eushop Online
08:58 < asshole|universe>  
08:58 < asshole|universe>  
08:58 < asshole|universe> SPIEGEL ONLINE ist nicht verantwortlich für die Inhalte externer Internetseiten.
08:58 < asshole|universe>  
08:58 < asshole|universe>  
08:58 < asshole|universe>  
08:58 < asshole|universe> Diese Gefahr ist am Wochenende tatsächlich gestiegen. Nachdem bereits nach nur zwei, drei Tagen im Web die sensationellen Angebote des Eushop in Diskussionsgruppen von Hobbyfotografen in Frage gestellt wurden, reagierten die Macher der Webseite am Sonntag: Sie veränderten die Texte der Website und lieferten ihren "Besuchern" eine Erklärung für die unglaublichen Sonderangebote. 
08:58 < asshole|universe> Jetzt kooperiert Eushop-Online angeblich mit dem amerikanischen Roten Kreuz, dem "30 Prozent aller Profite" zufließen sollen, um "krebskranken Kindern in Afrika" zu helfen. 
08:58 < asshole|universe> Alexandra B. fürchtet nun, dass vielen potenziellen Kunden mit dieser Erklärung die Dumpingpreise plausibel gemacht werden könnten: "Die verkaufen sich jetzt als eine Art Wohltätigkeitsveranstaltung." 
08:58 < asshole|universe> So richtig erschreckt hat sie an der ganzen Sache aber vor allem eines: "Das kann jedem passieren. Einfach so." 
08:58 < asshole|universe> aaaaaaaaaaaaarhg. sorry
08:58 < asshole|universe> book :-( spiegel-flood
08:58 < asshole|universe> yeah... :-/
08:58 < asshole|universe> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,282489,00.html << just wanted to post this
08:59 < daja77> grrr
09:00 < asshole|universe> hmm?
09:02 < asshole|universe> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,282621,00.html << also "funny" *slashing csu-politicans with a sharp sword*
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09:44 < Baldzius> hello
09:47 < owl> hi Baldzius 
10:10 < blindcoder> moin
10:11 < owl> hi blindy! :)
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11:37 < spiketz> hello @all, why resets rocklinux the date after every reboot?
11:39 < Baldzius> maybe your bios battery is going down?
11:40 < Baldzius> or ir resets time even after restart?
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11:48 < spiketz> Baldzius: i have an ibook 
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12:52 < mnemoc> *yawn*
12:53 < owl> moin mnemoc 
12:53 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
12:54 * owl takes a water gun filled with lemon juice and shots into mnemoc 's opened mouth
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13:07 < mnemoc> hi owl, daja77 
13:08 < mnemoc> thanks owl :)
13:08 < owl> :p
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14:07 < esdentem> hi all
14:08 * esdentem needs blindcoder, and he is offline :(
14:28 < rolla> re
14:29 < daja77> wb rolla 
14:29 < rolla> thanks
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14:30 * rolla is compiling kde 3.2rc1 :)
14:30 < daja77> :))
14:32 < jsaw_> rehi@all
14:33 < cytrinox> moin
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15:07 < holyolli> moin
15:32 < netrunne1> anybody very familiar with ntp here?
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15:32 < daja77> hi holyolli, netrunner 
15:33 < holyolli> hi daja77
15:33 < holyolli> hi netrunner
15:35 < netrunner> hi holyolli, daja77 
15:48 < holyolli> does anybody know anything about madtux? hasn't been here since days...
15:49 < daja77> no unfortunately not
15:49 < daja77> only knows he was mike1 again before he left ^^
16:12 < rolla> :)
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16:55 < esdentem> re hi all
16:55 < daja77> re esdentem 
16:55 < esdentem> hi daja77
16:56 < daja77> btw why tem
17:00 < esdentem> because that is my username here ...
17:00 < esdentem> and esden is already logged in ;)
17:15 < holyolli> are there already any rc4-x86-bins?
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17:15 < holyolli> (or cd-images)
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17:36 < esdentem> hmm ... pogo looks really good
17:39 < holyolli> hi esden
17:41 * esdentem -> bzflag
17:41 < esdentem> bbl
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18:17 < rolla> arg
18:50 < rxr> re
18:50 < daja77> wb
18:53 < rxr> re
18:53 < rxr> oh - sorry
18:55 < daja77> better twice than never :)
19:17 < rxr> ;-)
19:20 < rxr> oh - my so much work - where to start ....
19:20 < daja77> same question for me
19:21 < rxr> hm - too damn there are so many rock patches - where I have more lust for graphic GSMP coding ... :-(
19:21 < daja77> :)
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19:32 * daja77 wants to do more rock work, but has the studienarbeit instead
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19:42 < rxr> hi gail 
19:50 < rolla> re rxr
19:51 < rxr> hi rolla 
19:51 * rxr shortly away ...
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20:15 < mnemoc> re all
20:18 < rxr> re
20:18 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
20:21 < mnemoc> hi rxr
20:26 < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget submaster :-)
20:27 < rxr> nope
20:27 < rxr> I just was out to buy fresh rolls and to carry some coals up for heating
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20:28 < rxr> (have I already mentioned that my new flat will have a normal and common central heating ...)
20:28 < rxr> anyway I just continue with patch applying ...
20:28 < rxr> and e17 fixing ... ;-)
20:28 < rxr> I already have entrance running mostly on this iBook ;-)
20:28 < mnemoc> there are pics of the new flat? ;)
20:29 < rxr> nope - I should have got the ok today - but they have not yet contacted me - so I hope to hear a final decision tomorrow ...
20:29 < rxr> but I'll only take a flat with normal heating ... ;-)
20:29 < rxr> and in addition my digital camera got lost at 20C3 ... :-(
20:32 < daja77> rxr: sure you have, but feel free to say it again as much as you like
20:34 < rxr> daja77: comming back home into a cold flat - and then carrying coals out of a dark cellar is not that much fun ...
20:34 < daja77> i know
20:35 < rxr> reminds me that I wanted to cook tea a hour ago ..
20:35 < daja77> that's why i said, repeat it if you like
20:35 < daja77> :)
20:54 < rxr> ok - now I'm shortly off for some tea and rolls
20:54 < rxr> patch flood continues after that ...
20:55 < daja77> hehe enjoy
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21:14 < esdentem> re hi all ...
21:15 < daja77> re esden
21:15 < esdentem> i finally did it!!! I have now fully functional connection to the internet from home!! ppp over ssh is a beautifull thing!!!
21:15 < esdentem> ;)
21:15 < daja77> hehe
21:16 < rxr> esdentem: interesting ...
21:16 < esdentem> rxr: hehe ... for me it is ;)
21:17 < rxr> yes for me too - I would have never tried to tunnel ppp over ssh ...
21:17 * daja77 wonders how this should work
21:17 < rxr> esdentem: when I have you here: do you have the IRC logs from the las months for an upload to rocklinux.net ?
21:18 < esdentem> yes I have them ... I will try to upload them as soon as I finished my vpn-start script ... that should be ready in some minutes
21:18 < daja77> so all my evilness will be revealed
21:19 < esdentem> rxr: I used the following howto: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/ppp-ssh/forwarding.html
21:19 < esdentem> the only difficult thing was to get the routing and the masquerading correct
21:19 < esdentem> daja77: hehe ... that for sure ;)
21:28 < esdentem> humm
21:28 < esdentem> am I still here? ;)
21:28 < holyolli> jepps
21:29 < esdentem> thanks holyolli
21:29 < esdentem> hi sbtw ;)
21:29 < holyolli> *g*
21:31 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:31 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
21:32 < blindcoder> esdentem: you needed/wanted something from me?
21:35 < blindcoder> seems it wasn't that important
21:37 < esdentem> blindcoder: yes ... -> query
22:09 < daja77> 22:04 < iceblox> .oO(social engineer - cause there's no patch for human stupidity)
22:13 * rolla just read something very intresting 
22:13 < daja77> hm?
22:14 < rolla> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3406411.stm
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22:17 < daja77> hmm yeah, jsut don't get why the put soldier pictures in there
22:17 < daja77> just*
22:17 < rolla> cause they have a picture of it :)
22:17 < rolla> and they are talking about reform in the army
22:18 < rolla> you head general just retired possibily due to the cuts coming
22:18 < rolla> s/you/your/
22:18 < daja77> true dat
22:18 < rolla> :)
22:19 < rolla> I had never heard of the Zivis before
22:21 < daja77> they exist in many countries, but there they are only about 1 percent, unlike germany
22:21 < rolla> ah I have never heard of the name I knew of the practice
22:22 < daja77> k.
22:22 < daja77> Zivi = short for Zivildienstleistender
22:23 < rolla> Holy cow !
22:23 < daja77> :)
22:23 < holyolli> mh?
22:23 < holyolli> ah...disregard...
22:23 < mnemoc> *yawn*
22:24 < rolla> you germans and your long words
22:24 < daja77> we are word mergers
22:24 < rolla> yes you are
22:24 < daja77> this is a feature
22:25 < rolla> feature == bug
22:26 < daja77> well the alternative would be worsr
22:26 < daja77> worse
22:26 < rolla> how so
22:27 < rolla> I'd need an examples
22:27 < daja77> well you could say: jemand der zivilen Dienst leistet
22:27 < daja77> not better
22:28 < rolla> your just too wordy
22:28 < rolla> civil servant is much shorter
22:29 < daja77> well if you translate it straight, this could be : Zivildiener
22:29 < daja77> would be shorter, but nobody says it
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22:33 < rolla> yeah
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22:37 < mnemoc> it's not a problem of the language, it's a problem of the people =)
22:38 < daja77> mnemoc hates us :(
22:39 < mnemoc> i would love to learn your language :)
22:39 < daja77> :)
22:39 < rolla> :)
22:44 < rxr> new version:
22:44 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
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22:59 < mnemoc> rxr: can you change my mail addr on changelog ML?
23:08 < rxr> jups - to what?
23:09 < mnemoc> amery@cbs.cl -> amery@geeks.cl
23:10 < netrunner> rxr: what is the method of the art to ensure my preferred CFLAGS? 
23:10 < rxr> netrunner: usually the CC_WRAPPER ...
23:10 < rxr> or do you mean globally ?
23:10 < rxr> in the meaning of "not for a single package" ?
23:10 < netrunner> rxr: I want to tweak compiling for epia, that needs patches for each gcc version and special flags.
23:10 < netrunner> rxr: for a whole build.
23:11 * netrunner tried to start a target, but that seems to be too much.
23:11 < rxr> oh - that is quite static currently ... the architecture/*/gcc*
23:11 < rxr> what Epia gcc patches do exist?
23:11 < rxr> mnemoc: done
23:11 < netrunner> rxr: there is a hint on http://epia.std-err.de/gcc.php that I want to try, he says it gives a huge performance boost, making the hw mpeg2decoder unneccessary
23:12 < netrunner> I pulled them out into patches, but the CFLAGS remain to be adjusted as shown there ...
23:12 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks
23:13 < netrunner> mnemoc: hi to the other side of the ball :)
23:13 < mnemoc> hi netrunner :)
23:13 < rxr> netrunner: just change the via line in architecture/x86/gcc-*
23:14 < netrunner> rxr: ok. may I add the gcc patches to the packages, enabling them optionally in the .conf?
23:14 < rxr> hm
23:15 < netrunner> ok, I'll try it first, when it works we'll see how to fiddle them in. 
23:15 < rxr> I double -O3 is fastest in all cases for the Epia
23:15 < rxr> I guess -O2 is often faster - maybe even -Os is optimal for video stuff ...
23:16 < netrunner> his main point is to use i686 code without that one function.
23:16 < rxr> netrunner: I would like to take a deeper look into that gcc file - but do so for now ...
23:16 < rxr> s/function/instruction/ ;-)
23:16 < netrunner> I really do not know much about those CFLAGS, just want to give it a try :)
23:17 < rxr> it is a "confitional move instruction" ...
23:17 * netrunner is annoied of watching dvd with --hardframedrop --dropevenmore --yeahdropthemall!
23:17 < rxr> isn't the hardware decoder supported under Linux ?
23:17 < rxr> or does your board not have it ?
23:18 < netrunner> rxr: yes. with a binary driver for an old kernel/x version. or a gpl fb reverse engineered that works half ... all not really good.
23:20 < netrunner> rxr: it's nothing I could just download, build and use. only brebuilt rpms for the dists that use that package manager. working with a earlier kernel
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23:21 < rxr> netrunner: ok - understood
23:21 * netrunner satisfied goes to bed, n8* :)
23:21 < rxr> netrunner: could you report the difference with that gcc modification and i686 optimization back to me - best per email
23:21 < rxr> I might have to do such a epia embedded thing in the next months ...
23:22 < netrunner> rxr: I'll let you know if it works
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23:26 < rxr> netrunner: thanks
23:27 < rxr> clifford: around ?
23:30 < jsaw_> re
23:31 < jsaw_> hi all
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23:36 < drz> hi all
23:40 < rxr> hi drz 
23:40 < drz> how well does the dietlibc building goe? how many packages build against it? does the entire base system work?
23:40 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 
23:40 < rxr> drz: kind of base works, yes
23:41 < drz> rxr: what's kind of?
23:41 < rxr> we use if as the embedded C library for the ROCK Installer for "ages"
23:41 < rxr> drz: perl and gcc are not perfectly useable
23:41 < rxr> vanilla X does not build - depends on what you define as base ...
23:41 < drz> well real base
23:42 < drz> but perl and gcc do include base in my book... 
23:42 < drz> and what about GCC StackProtector does it work well with gcc 3.3.2 (and rock 2.0)
23:44 < rxr> drz: it shoudl - it is not included in my personal daily useage - AFAIK it works well
23:45 < drz> ok
23:45 < rxr> drz: IIRC a dietlibc GCC is useable if -pipe is not used (which shoudl be easily fixable) and Perl can be hacked to compile (also trival AFAIHS) ...
23:45 < rxr> jsaw_: I just commented your pkgexist patch
23:46 < rxr> in submaster - can you resubmit it with s.th. like pkg_installed or pkg_built ... ?
23:46 < drz> hmmm well, dietlibc isn't that important to me...
23:46 < drz> just curiousity
23:46 < jsaw_> rxr: the straw packages differ, the one I have and the one that is on the mirror... (but only .po files)
23:47 < drz> are there no install floppies?
23:47 < jsaw_> rxr: I think installed is also misleading, what's about "pkgisinst"?
23:49 < rxr> drz: there are - but I usually do not upload them - because I do not have the time to verify them ...
23:49 < drz> rxr: you mean, verify if they work?
23:49 < rxr> drz: yes ... ;-)
23:49 < drz> anyway then upload them to a "beta/testing" directory, so people know, there are no guarantees...
23:49 < drz> anyway all my systems don't have a cdrom
23:49 < drz> only floppies
23:49 < drz> i've got a Athlon 2200+, but no cdrom in it
23:50 < rxr> drz: I'll do the next time ...
23:50 < rxr> jsaw_: pkg_installed is that missleading ?
23:50 < rxr> jsaw_: in which package with what optimisation settings do you hit the GCC bug you submitted the patch for ?
23:52 < jsaw_> rxr: XFree86, -Os -fPIC "unresolved symbols"
23:52 < jsaw_> rxr: but leave the 3.2.3 open for testing..., the patch for 3.3 is official
23:53 < jsaw_> rxr: sorry, should have mentioned that more clearly
23:54 < rxr> jsaw_: ok thanks
23:54 < jsaw_> rxr: me adds a note now...
23:55 < rxr> jsaw_: please use your full name in submaster - so I do not always need to swith to my mail client to copy the full one ... ;-)
23:56 < rxr> jsaw_: nah - already applied ...
23:56 < daja77> ah that reminds me of recreatuing my submaster repos 
23:57 < drz> rxr: any change of seeing those floppies soon? I intend to try rock the day after tomorrow... but without floppies i wont get far :-)
23:59 < rxr> ouhm
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