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00:15 < rxr> re
00:25 < rxr> whoho - a linux24 32bit SPARC kernel:
00:25 < rxr> == 01/21/04 23:18:22 =[5]=> Finished building package linux24.
00:25 < rxr> going to try it on my SS2 tomorrow (I hope ...)
00:25 < rxr> cu - n8 all
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01:03 < MadTux> hello
01:11 < mnemoc> wb MadTux 
01:13 < mnemoc> where have you been?
01:15 < MadTux> hello Ale :)
01:16 < MadTux> I've been working.. _ALOT_
01:16 < MadTux> didn't though anyone would notice i wasn't here.
01:20 < mnemoc> everybody asked for you
01:20 < MadTux> 0_o
01:20 < MadTux> everybody?!?! Who is everybody??
01:22 < mnemoc> lemme grep
01:23 < mnemoc> holydoly, rolla and daja
01:23 < MadTux> lol
01:23 < MadTux> nice
01:25 < mnemoc> <daja77> only knows he was mike1 again before he left ^^
01:25 < MadTux> lol
01:25 < MadTux> ah well I'm still alive
01:26 < MadTux> just VERY _VERY_ __V_E_R_Y__ busy
01:27 < mnemoc> and VERY _VERY_ __V_E_R_Y__ ich
01:27 < mnemoc> rich*
01:27 < mnemoc> :)
01:30 < MadTux> I don't know about that.
01:30 < MadTux> I'm still poor :/
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02:44 < mnemoc> hi alan
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03:25 < mnemoc> wb batok 
03:25 < batok> hi
03:26 < mnemoc> how is your router?
03:26 < batok> good
03:26 < batok> 7Mb
03:29 < mnemoc> good. do u understand rock better now?
03:29 < batok> thats for sure mnemoc
03:30 < batok> I think the only way to understand this model is to experiment with it
03:30 < mnemoc> hope to see you contributing soon :)
03:33 < mnemoc> don't hide :\
03:33 < batok> of course not
03:35 < batok> Don't you think (we rock-ies , let me be part of the crew ) need a blog to publish news often ? i.e. deadly.org for openbsd people
03:36 < mnemoc> may be a blog, may be a wiki, but we *need* to improve our comunication and PR
03:36 < mnemoc> we can rocklinux.net but it's not interactive
03:37 < batok> who's in charge of PR ?
03:37 < mnemoc> /dev/null :(
03:37 < batok> wow
03:38 < mnemoc> sadly we are a very small comunity where every body is too busy and if we are lucky we have time for developing :( PR is a ghost
03:39 < mnemoc> we *need* more people, but without PR it's really hard to get them
03:39 < mnemoc> and loop
03:40 < mnemoc> someone set a phorum, but....  my dna don't let me use phorums
03:40 < batok> why ? 
03:41 < mnemoc> too much navigation
03:41 < batok> what's the best channel to interact besides this one ?
03:42 < batok> newsgroup, maling list, blog ?
03:42 < mnemoc> currently we have 2.5 channels
03:42 < mnemoc> ML + IRC + submaster (under development)
03:43 < batok> what is the submaster ?
03:43 < mnemoc> it's a web app to admin patches
03:44 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html
03:44 < mnemoc> ehm.... rl.org seems to be dead
03:44 < batok> ok, I got it, is an extension to subversion
03:44 < mnemoc> yep
03:44 < batok> rl.org never changes!
03:45 < batok> Is Clifford the maintainer of the site ?
03:45 < mnemoc> well... somehow yes
03:46 < mnemoc> http://rlforum.org/ <--- forum
03:47 < batok> What's the meaning of the name ( rock ) and logo ?
03:48 < batok> rock like music or so ?
03:48 < batok> rocky mountains ?
03:49 < mnemoc> mountains
03:50 < batok> May be this is old topic but never found an explanation in the site
03:51 < mnemoc> not old... we have another ghost with us, the project rename ghost
03:51 < batok> ghost is better I think
03:51 < mnemoc> ROCK*linux* sound like a distro, and ROCK it's a toolkit and not a distro
03:52 < batok> with a better design and may be a slogan
03:52 < mnemoc> ghost as a name?
03:52 < batok> yes
03:52 < batok> everything but excluding linux as a name
03:53 < mnemoc> openrock.org is taken so the rename will be harder
03:53 < batok> rockit
03:54 < batok> as doing it with rock, or with a toolkit
03:54 < mnemoc> are domains available for it?
03:55 < batok> let me see
03:56 < batok> is not available as org
03:59 < batok> I think words like Open and Free are over used in projects
04:00 < mnemoc> think/test a name and propose it to the ML :-)
04:01 < batok> I will
04:01 < mnemoc> the master $name must be available at least for .org
04:02 < batok> It has to be rock something ?
04:02 < mnemoc> i guess it's good to keep the most representative part of the current name
04:02 < mnemoc> but it's not mandatory
04:03 < mnemoc> we have our *small* place in the un*x world, and imo it's silly to drop it
04:04 < mnemoc> but i'm not a marketing expert ;)
04:04 < batok> What kind of un*x user knows about RL nowadays ?
04:04 < batok> BSDers ?
04:05 < mnemoc> ehm...
04:05 < mnemoc> hard question
04:06 < mnemoc> how did *you* got here?
04:07 < batok> I don't remember but it was not easy.  I thing one day was searching for another approach for a distro in linuxiso.org or something like that, but never in magazines, places like slashdot, etc
04:09 < mnemoc> ehm... College Linux, Lycoris, TSL, turbolinux and Yellow Dog are more popular than us in linuxiso.org :'(
04:11 < mnemoc> we need to do something... but what?... i don't know
04:11 < mnemoc> releasing damn 2.0 stable is a must, but i don't think it's enough
04:12 < batok> Interviews published , articles , a revamped portal
04:15 < mnemoc> none of us is good doing that... and we suck in english and design
04:15 < mnemoc> (at least me)
04:16 < mnemoc> did you knew the previous rl.org?
04:17 < batok> what previous rl.org ?
04:18 < mnemoc> the 'old' portal?
04:18 < batok> I never heard about it
04:19 < mnemoc> it was 'best viewed with lynx' :\
04:20 < mnemoc> current site have less than one year old
04:20 < batok> Do you like it ?
04:21 < mnemoc> it's much better than previous, but it's not ok
04:23 < batok> It can be more eye-candy and most import have new things to show, like news or something
04:26 < mnemoc> i like the idea of a wiki to increase update rate
04:26 < batok> wiki is good
04:26 < mnemoc> i guess only clifford and rene has write access (typo3)
04:27 < mnemoc> one hard part is that clifford wants a site 100% mirrorable via rsync
04:27 < batok> why ?
04:29 < mnemoc> ehm... "to not impose restrictions to mirror servers"
04:31 < mnemoc> even php was 'not desired'
04:31 < batok> then what , perl ?
04:32 < batok> C ?
04:32 < mnemoc> or something that renders static html on updates
04:32 < mnemoc> typo3 does that
04:33 < mnemoc> and i guess that's why it was choosen by cliff
04:34 < mnemoc> but imo a 'users-portal' don't need to follow official rules set by the chairman for the main site
04:34 < batok> for a wiki or blog or anything portal related there's a need for dynamic content, rdbms, and web scripting
04:35 < batok> I think I have experience with Postnuke CMS ( lamp ) and now I am beginning to use Zope/CMS/Plone for client 
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04:39 < mnemoc> we did discuss this topic for looong months, then cliff replaced old site with typo3 and the discussion stoped
04:39 < batok> I 've never head about typo3 , what's that ?
04:40 < mnemoc> http://typo3.org/
04:40 < mnemoc> i guess noone did until it was choosen
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04:42 < batok> yet another CMS as I see
04:44 < mnemoc> but you can rsync .html files 
04:44 < batok> as I see it uses PHP also
04:46 < mnemoc> the argument was always the 'restrictions on the mirrors'
04:47 < batok> and what kind of content the mirrors receive ?
04:47 < mnemoc> html
04:48 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/typo3/index.php <--- 'real' site
04:48 < mnemoc> i mean... https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/
04:49 < batok> I really don't undestand the case for a CMS in here
04:50 < mnemoc> previous site was generated from shell using sed
04:50 < batok> really ?
04:50 < mnemoc> yep
04:51 < batok> amazing
04:51 < mnemoc> edit=rsync, vi, sed, rsync
04:52 < mnemoc> CMS was a *big* improve
04:52 < batok> I see
04:55 < batok> mnemoc let me think on these PR issues and I will post to ML my ideas.  I got  to go now to install an SMP Server with RH9 ( oops ) for a customer right now.  See you soon!
04:56 < batok> good bye
04:56 < mnemoc> bye :)
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07:19 < netrunner> 875 builds total, 377 completed fine, 59 with errors. All the gnome stuff is failing since gnome-mime-data is not yet built.
07:21 < owl> moin
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09:08 < netrunner> re
09:13 < owl> hi netrunner 
09:21 < netrunner> hi owl
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09:53 < netrunner> hm, the rebuild stage is not activated, but 9- stuff is added to the queue ?
10:02 < clifford> netrunner: do you see the stage 9's actived in config/.../packages ?
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10:05 < netrunner> *cry* usr/src/linux-2.6.1-rock/scripts/.fixdep.cmd: alsa-driver linux26-src
10:05 < netrunner> clifford: nope.
10:06 < clifford> hmm... funny.
10:06 < netrunner> grmpf. usr: 00-dirtree linux24-header
10:06 < netrunner> clifford: nope ;)
10:07 < blindcoder> moin
10:07 < clifford> rene schould re-create the dammit dependency database with my directory patch..
10:08 < netrunner> clifford: it is the .caches, not the db
10:09 < netrunner> clifford: ah, your patch affects the db? sorry! then I can recreate it myself, no?
10:10 < clifford> oh - so maybe rene recreated the cache files and forgott to recrate the db?
10:11 < clifford> my patch affects the collection of dependencies during the build
10:13 < netrunner> clifford: the dep_db seens to be created from the latest .caches, it is 3 revisions older.
10:13 < netrunner> s/older/newer/
10:14 < clifford> so - how can be something in the cache files and not in the db?
10:15 < netrunner> are dependent packages removed from the shared files list normally?
10:16 * netrunner createing a new dep_db to see if it differs.
10:17 < clifford> usually there are only additions based on the dependency groups.
10:24 < netrunner> hm, my new dep_db differs in all lines. Since I didn't change the .caches, it should be the same as rene's ...
10:24 < netrunner> maybe your patch got merged after that.
10:25 * netrunner away for lecture
10:25 < clifford> but my patch only affects the creation of the *.cache files, not the *.cache->dep.db thing.
10:35 < rxr> re
10:35 < rxr> hi clifford 
10:36 < blindcoder> moin rxr 
10:39 < clifford> hi rxr, did you read the last lines about dep db?
10:40 < rxr> yes - I did nothing special - just the .cache files from the ref build and created the deb_db.txtr
10:40 < rxr> I did not other manual editing or so
10:41 < clifford> hm. so the question is: why did netrunners re-run of dep-db result in an entirely different file?
10:44 < rxr> duno
10:44 < clifford> could you re-run Create-DepDB on your side and see if it prints an entirely different file for you too?
10:44 < rxr> clifford: I need a tftp server and notice our tftp package could be updated from 0.34 to 0.36 - any objections?
10:44 < clifford> sounds ok.
10:45 < rxr> clifford: running DepDB now ...
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11:00 < clifford> Arrrg! Patchutils bug!!!!
11:00 < blindcoder> clifford: hoeh?
11:00 < rxr> clifford: hm - my new dep_db.txt does not differ a line ...
11:01 < rxr> me away ...
11:06 < blindcoder> wee, LVP Live-System is 26 MB and as functional as befor ^_^
11:11 < puzzled> rxr: in case you haven't figured out how to make the bootable cdrom for PowerPC, here is hopefully a helpfull url
11:11 < puzzled> rxr: http://lists.linuxppc.org/linuxppc-workstation/200302/msg00003.html
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12:19 < mnemoc> blindcoder: how kind of things are u doing to reduce lvp's size?
12:19 < blindcoder> mnemoc: linking statically
12:20 < blindcoder> mnemoc: in addition I want to gzexe the binaries, but the gzexe script from gzip is just a huge pile of shit
12:20 < mnemoc> oh
12:20 < blindcoder> mnemoc: so I'll have to write my own implementation of it to compress the binaries
12:20 < mnemoc> what about lz?
12:21 < blindcoder> lz?
12:21 < mnemoc> for *dos* lzexe was a pretty nice implementation
12:21 < mnemoc> i guess it's ported 
12:22 < owl> hi blindcoder , mnemoc 
12:23 < blindcoder> moin owl
12:23 < blindcoder> lz seems to be a tar wrapper...
12:25 < blindcoder> I thought of a bash script that does what gzexe does, but without depending on tail, sed and other crap
12:26 < mnemoc> ehm... i had lzo on my repo o_O (it was needed by openvpn)
12:26 < mnemoc> he had UPX
12:26 < blindcoder> mnemoc: oh, I have only a minimal installation here with a few additions, so I'll have a look
12:27 < mnemoc> http://upx.sourceforge.net/ <--- upx by lzo author
12:27 < mnemoc> how small do u want it to be?
12:28 < blindcoder> small enough to completely fit into initrd
12:30 < blindcoder> mnemoc: looks nice
12:38 < mnemoc> bbl
12:38 < owl> bye mnemoc 
12:38 < blindcoder> bye
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12:54 < jsaw> re
12:54 < jsaw> hi all
12:55 < blindcoder> moin jsaw 
12:55 < jsaw> tach blindcoder 
12:57 < owl> hi jsaw 
12:58 < jsaw> hi owl 
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13:01 < jsaw> damn 24h dsl connection time limit...
13:02 < blindcoder> hehe, yeah
13:02 < Spike> hello @all
13:04 < blindcoder> moin Spike 
13:04 < jsaw> me thinks of resting potential and says hello to Spike (for those who don't know, both terms are heavily used in biology, nerve signalling)
13:05 < jsaw> blindcoder: self executable bash script: I think this could work:
13:06 < Spike> does anyone know why ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg glib  doesn't install glib-config?
13:06 < blindcoder> Spike: is pkg-config installed?
13:06 < Spike> yes
13:06 < blindcoder> then I don't know
13:06 < jsaw> blindcoder: cat $self | ( while read l; do [ "$l" = "..." ] && break; done; cat ) | tar...
13:07 < blindcoder> yes, I had something like that in mind
13:07 < blindcoder> but I'll try that upx thing first
13:08 < jsaw> blindcoder: do you have grep?
13:08 < blindcoder> yes
13:08 < blindcoder> but I wanted to only use bash and gzip for it
13:09 < jsaw> grep -A <huge number> self | ( read ) | tar ... 
13:09 < jsaw> s/read/read; cat;/
13:10 < jsaw> oh, and s/grep/grep <mark>/ of course
13:10 < blindcoder> hmm
13:12 < jsaw> blindcoder: I do this with rockplug to extract data from pci.ids, but dunno if it works with binary ...
13:12 < blindcoder> I more thought of something like 'printme=0; cat $0 | while read l ; do if [ "$l" == "somekindofterminator" ] ; printme=1; fi ; if [ $printme -eq 1 ]; echo $l ; fi ; done | gzip -dc >/tmp/`basename $0` ; exec /tmp/`basename $0`
13:13 < fake> clifford: ping
13:14 < fake> Spike: glib12
13:14 < fake> Spike glib = gnome2's glib, wich uses gconf
13:14 < fake> Spike: glib12 = glib-config - containing 1.x-gtk-compatible version.
13:15 < jsaw> blindcoder: that slow and binary may confuse read. That's why I have "( while read l; do ... done; cat )"
13:16 < blindcoder> I see
13:16 < jsaw> blindcoder: cat $0 | ( while read l; do [ "$l" == "somkindofterminator" ] && break; done; cat ) | gzip -dc >/tmp/`basename $0` ; etc...
13:16 < blindcoder> mhm... thanks, will give that a try
13:23 < netrunne1> clifford: the dep difference is because of the third column being different with all packages. 
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13:24 < fake> blindcoder: http://fake.by-infonet.de/ ...
13:25 < fake> blindcoder: that's it, i'm out.
13:25 < Spike> fake: to install glib doesn't help :( i have no glib-config
13:26 < jsaw> Spike: as fake said, you have to install "glib12" to get glib-config!
13:27 < fake> Spike: /opt/gnome/bin/glib-config
13:27 < fake> you *may* have to source /etc/profile again
13:27 < fake> so opt/gnome/bin is in your path, if the directory just got created
13:28 < fake> (simply completely logout and login again)
13:28 < Spike> sorry i meant glib12
13:28 < Spike> and i have found glib-config
13:28 < Spike> thanx
13:28 < Spike> :)
13:30 < jsaw> Spike: sorry for my "reprimand" (accroding to dict.leo.org), fake got it right immediately...
13:30 < daja77> moin
13:30 < jsaw> hi daja77 
13:32 < daja77> hey jsaw 
13:35 < clifford> hi gang.
13:35 < daja77> :)
13:35 < fake> clifford: i can't apply your last patch?
13:35 < blindcoder> /usr/src/trunk/src.glibc23.1074774548.9236.1698210811/glibc-2.3.2/objdir/config.h:3:3: #error "glibc cannot be compiled without optimization"
13:35 < blindcoder> GRAAAAAAH
13:36 < blindcoder> fake: fixed
13:36 < clifford> blindcoder: use my patch that doesn't apply...  ;-)
13:36 < daja77> must have missed sth
13:36 < blindcoder> clifford: which patch?
13:36 < rxr> lol
13:36 < fake> clifford: what is the state of the smart optimixation? is it still slower than size-opt? what was the cause?
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13:37 < clifford> fake: my latest patch is almost the finished thing - I just need to rebuild it first so it's clean..
13:37 < clifford> (I had some problems with patchutils ;-)
13:37 < fake> np ;)
13:37 < fake> how came your 'interesting' results?
13:38 < clifford> in my tests, smart optimisation is always the slowest thing and bizarr optimisation the fastest...  ;-)
13:38 < netrunner> what do I need to own a domain myself? a dns with a fixed IP for that domain?
13:39 < fake> clifford: you mixed up the optimizations?
13:40 < clifford> bizarr optimisation = optimize the c-files which do contain inner loops for size and all the rest for speed.
13:40 < clifford> this is - well - very bizarr...  ;-)
13:40 < rxr> netrunner: not necessarily a fixed IP - but a dynamic IP has the usual restrictions ...
13:40 < rxr> netrunner: see www.rocklinux-consulting.de ...
13:40 < rxr> or www.falk-huebner.de
13:45 < mnemoc> re
13:45 < fake> this is indeed bizarre
13:45 < rxr> cool cool - yeah - finally, we made it into the frontpage left menu at:
13:45 < netrunner> rxr: ok, that's a feature of your provider, no? you need to update the names in some dns server ...
13:45 < rxr> http://www.penguinppc.org/
13:45 < rxr> netrunner: nope the DNS is hosted by Tobias Hintze
13:46 < rxr> we update using a tiny IP exchanged he already had arround
13:46 < rxr> exchanger even ...
13:47 < netrunner> rxr: thx, maybe he takes mine too :)
13:47 * netrunner wants to leave current provider and 5G limit behind
13:48 < mnemoc> how much cost a dsl there?
13:49 < netrunner> mnemoc: 15EUR for inet + 8EUR for the dsl is minimum I guess
13:50 < mnemoc> what's the EUR:US factor?
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13:50 < mnemoc> hi esdentem 
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13:51 < fake> rxr: cool!
13:51 < netrunner> mnemoc: about 1USD=0,7EUR
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13:52 < mnemoc> ehm... i pay about 90EUR for my 512/128 dsl :(
13:53 < jsaw> ups
13:54 < mnemoc> but we don't have time/bandwidth limits :)
13:55 < jsaw> about 30EUR dsl (flat) here
13:55 < jsaw> 768/256 IIRC
13:55 < mnemoc> :'(
13:56 < blindcoder> 30 EUR 768/128
13:56 < jsaw> ah, thanks.
13:56 < daja77> depends on the provider
13:56 < daja77> arcor is a bit cheaper afaik
13:56 < blindcoder> pink panther provider :)
13:57 < jsaw> blindcoder: yep
13:58 < jsaw> mnemoc: interesting in a neg. sense. I always thought, 30EUR is expensive...
13:58 < mnemoc> good for you :(
13:59 < mnemoc> i have a _cheap_ plan here :\
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14:01 < mnemoc> two years ago i had to pay the same money for isdn
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14:02 < esdentem> hi all
14:02 < blindcoder> moin esdentem 
14:02 < esdentem> hi blindcoder! *hug* ;)
14:03 < mnemoc> moin third-try-esden
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14:05 < mnemoc> daja77: remember my ld 'problem' yesterday? export LD_RUN_PATH=$foo solved it
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14:07 < esdentem> third try???
14:08 < mnemoc> three join in ten minutes :) three greetings in ten minutes :(
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14:13 < esdentem> ohh ... 
14:13 < esdentem> sorry
14:13 < esdentem> hmm
14:13 < esdentem> somehow strange ... ;)
14:15 < jsaw> fake: please use your full name on submaster (I already got a kick from rene)
14:20 < daja77> mnemoc: ah
14:20 < fake> jsaw: fake is my full name
14:21 < mnemoc> :)
14:22 < daja77> full name is fake this
14:24 < jsaw> bbl
14:25 < clifford> Updated submaster client: improved "sm fsync" and new command "sm diff".
14:30 < mnemoc> wow rev. 20 :)
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14:31 < holyolli> moin
14:31 < mnemoc> moin holyolli
14:32 < holyolli> hola mnemoc. ?como estas?
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14:33 < daja77> hmm found no patch from clifford on the ml ...
14:33 < holyolli> hi daja77
14:35 < daja77> hi holyolli 
14:35 < mnemoc> super bien y tu?
14:37 < holyolli> mnemoc: la escuela esta fuerta (?...school's out ;-)
14:39 < clifford> ok. cleaned-up patch is online.
14:39 < holyolli> y me estoy muy bien
14:39 < holyolli> .oO(omg...spanish for wannabe's... =)
14:39 < mnemoc> o_O
14:40 < mnemoc> i'm trying to decript what you said :\
14:40 < holyolli> hehe
14:40 * holyolli tries to learn some spanish, when he's visiting madtux
14:41 < mnemoc> if school is what's before univ. it's called 'colegio' here
14:41 < daja77> clifford: where
14:41 < clifford> daja77: on submaster. where else should it be?
14:42 < holyolli> mnemoc: hm. it's a school for a later job
14:42 * daja77 confused, patch for submaster or rocklinux
14:42 < mnemoc> that's an 'instituto', like univ. but shorter
14:42 < holyolli> ah
14:42 < holyolli> ok
14:43 < rxr> re
14:43 < clifford> daja77: this patch: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004012214120105829
14:43 < daja77> thx
14:43 < holyolli> hi rxr
14:43 < daja77> btw could we clean up flyspray a bit
14:43 < mnemoc> if you are asking if i'm on 'holydays', '┐terminaron las clases?'
14:44 < rolla> re
14:44 < mnemoc> and if you are asking if i finish the carrer, '┐saliste del $foo?'
14:44 < holyolli> <-- is learning everyday a lot on this channel :)
14:45 < daja77> hi rolla
14:46 < rolla> hallo daja77 
14:46 * fake implemented a site navigation in awk ;)
14:47 < cytrinox> moin
14:47 < daja77> clifford: erh this is no p1 patch :(
14:48 < rxr> daja77: sm patches are -p0 ....
14:48 < daja77> ah k.
14:48 < fake> clifford: i fixed a (i guess) typo in typo3 / submaster page yesterday
14:48 < clifford> fake: http://www.clifford.at/priv/4gewinnt.awk  ;-)
14:48 < daja77> applied anyway
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14:48 < daja77> rxr: is there a special reason for that switch?
14:48 < fake> clifford: you said to save the server.txt in rock.sm/SM/rock.sm/SM/
14:48 < fake> clifford: i made thaht rock.sm/SM
14:49 < fake> clifford: i hope that is o.k.
14:49 < fake> clifford: you are bizarre.
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14:49 < daja77> :)
14:49 < clifford> daja77: yup. from the PATCHES file:     Patches created with 'cvs diff' or 'svn diff' and simmilar are also ok,
14:49 < clifford>     as long as they are context diffs and can be applied with the the
14:49 < clifford>     misc/archive/apply-patch.sh script.
14:50 < clifford> fake: yup. that sounds right.  ;-)
14:50 < daja77> ok i was just wondering, cos everybody wanted to have p1 patches so far :)
14:50 < clifford> (rock.sm/SM as well as the bizarre thing ;-)
14:51 * netrunner has not yet successfully run submaster.
14:51 < clifford> daja77: for manually created patches, yes.
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14:51 < clifford> netrunner: I thing you would like it.
14:53 * daja77 just throwing away last rt build and go for a restart
14:53 < daja77> clifford: do you have a minute?
14:53 < mnemoc> daja77: ehm?
14:53 < clifford> yes - in a minute..  ;-)
14:54 < netrunner> clifford: it fails. Can't get current revision number for svn://svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk.
14:54 < daja77> k. I am waiting
14:55 < daja77> mnemoc: ?
14:55 < netrunner> oh, the subversion I built last week is 0.32.1 :/
14:55 < daja77> O_o
14:56 < daja77> current is 0.36 or greater iirc
14:57 < netrunner> daja77: at least 0.35, but I thought my tree were updated. haven't checked the version after building and cursed on sm ;)
14:57 < clifford> daja77: ok.
15:01 * fake getting coffee
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15:16 < netrunner> ah, I remember. my build machine (with svn 0.35) said Berkeley DB error while creating environment for filesystem /usr/src/rock.sm/SVN/db: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
16:30 * blindcoder back
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16:39 < daja77> aaargh
16:39 < rolla> ?
16:39 < daja77> had the command for starting the build in the commandline hours ago, forgot to press enter ...
16:39 < daja77> done now :(
16:41 < rolla> :(
16:42 < blindcoder> daja77: forget building right now. glibc23 complains about being compiled without optimizations again
16:42 < daja77> with default settings, or special?
16:43 < blindcoder> default
16:44 < blindcoder> I tried without any optimisation and with pentium mmx optimisation
16:44 < blindcoder> both times it complains in stage 1
16:44 < daja77> :(
16:45 < blindcoder> :( indeed, I can't test my new LVP now ._<
16:45 < daja77> i had such errors when i started with rock in march 2003
16:46 < mnemoc> i don't have that problem with 2270
16:47 < daja77> we'll if I have that problem ..
16:47 < daja77> we'll see even
16:48 < blindcoder> daja77: yeah... I have them since I updated to 2270 today
16:48 * mnemoc starting a new clean build
16:49 < daja77> :)
16:49 < mnemoc> OMG!!! sm diff does a new checkout! o_O
16:49 < daja77> O_o
16:50 < blindcoder> okay, new GPG key created... now have to tell the people about it...
16:52 < rxr> re
16:52 < blindcoder> moin rxr
16:53 < rxr> blindcoder: most probably a issue in combination with Clifford optimization modifications ...
16:55 < rolla> hmm svn up does not work :(
16:56 < rolla> svn: Working copy 'architecture' not locked
16:56 < daja77> svn cleanup?
16:57 < rolla> svn update
16:58 < rolla> I will just have to checkout another copy I guess
16:58 < daja77> i wanted you to try svn cleanup before doing svn up
16:58 < rolla> okay I can do that
16:58 < mnemoc> svn help
16:58 < rolla> :-P
17:00 < blindcoder> rxr: do you have the rev number here?
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17:03 < blindcoder> kuso... I just bought these trousers two months ago... and they becme too big already >_<
17:04 < daja77> grmpf nobody checks for invite msg today
17:04 < blindcoder> invite msg?
17:04 < daja77> yes
17:04 < blindcoder> ?
17:04 < rolla> daja77: is Update-Src still to be used?
17:05 < blindcoder> rolla: afaik not... not yet at least
17:05 < mnemoc> it was patched to skip "Not Installed" pacakges
17:06 < rolla> that is what broke svn then for me
17:06 < blindcoder> you mean Update-System
17:06 < mnemoc> ehmm... Update-System :\
17:06 < mnemoc> yes :(
17:06 < mnemoc> laaaaag
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17:09 < daja77> http://www.rocklinux.net/eventreg/eventreg.cgi?event=1074779736
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17:18 < mnemoc> oh... daja will not be at clt :(
17:22 < daja77> sure, i just don't need to drive there :D
17:24 < mnemoc> will u host ppl?
17:25 < daja77> yep
17:29 < blindcoder> hmm... I can't find the changes rxr mentioned
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17:42 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i just finish 1-linux24 of a new 2270 build
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17:50 < netrunner> those shared files are killing me.
17:50 < blindcoder> that's why I build without paranoia :)
17:52 < blindcoder> mnemoc: how is glibc coming along?
17:53 < netrunner> blindcoder: that's not a solution, that's closing your eyes
17:53 < blindcoder> netrunner: Works For Me (TM)
17:53 < blindcoder> and since I mostly build LVP's at the moment, I also don't care much
17:53 < blindcoder> I think I haven't made a Paraoia enabled Build sinco 18C3
17:54 < blindcoder> well... maybe one or two...
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17:57 < rolla> == 10:50:41 =[0]=> Building base/binutils [2.14.90.0.7 2.0.0-rc5].
17:57 < rolla> and we start again
17:58 < blindcoder> hmm.. maybe...
17:58 * blindcoder changing some dietlibc things
18:15 * blindcoder gone
18:20 < daja77> netrunner: watch your status window
18:24 < netrunner> daja77: ?
18:24 < netrunner> ah ;)
18:25 * netrunner is alone :/
18:26 < daja77> hm?
18:26 < daja77> haven't seen you joining ...
18:32 < rolla> cd /win4
18:32 * daja77 off now
18:32 < daja77> cu
18:39 < netrunner> daja77: /me lags to much for you ;)
18:39 < netrunner> cu daja77 
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20:04 < daja77> netrunner: doesn't matter
20:05 < rolla> aweet
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20:08 < daja77> hm?
20:16 < netrunner> what a stupid default, binding "space" to "open window menu"
20:17 < daja77> ugh?
20:18 < netrunner> daja77: the date seems ok, I put a note into my schedule. I will probably come.
20:19 < daja77> tell me when you know for sure, so that i can add you to the db
20:20 < netrunner> daja77: one week before? ;) put me in, I'll tell you if something is against it.
20:21 < daja77> well i can put you in right now, and just saying shit happens, if you can't come ...
20:21 < netrunner> what db are you talking of btw?
20:22 < daja77> clt internal database :)
20:24 * blindcoder back
20:25 < mnemoc> blindcoder: stage 5 :-)
20:25 < mnemoc> (re)
20:25 < blindcoder> hmmm... strange
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20:26 < blindcoder> I'll try without dietlibc now
20:26 < netrunner> daja77: you may add me if you like :) 
20:27 < daja77> k. :)
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20:40 < mnemoc> blindcoder: did you apply clifford's optimization patch?
20:41 < daja77> cu later
20:41 < mnemoc> cu daja77 
20:43 < rolla> == 13:39:01 =[5]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.24 2.0.0-rc5].
20:43 < rolla> :)
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20:53 < mnemoc> how renders .am files?
20:53 < mnemoc> generate, or whatever
20:54 < rxr> hehe:
20:54 < rxr> http://www.gavinroy.com/~gavinr/SCO Response.pdf
20:54 < mnemoc> rxr! :)
20:55 < mnemoc> what should i do to turn a .am into .in?
20:55 < rxr> automake
20:57 < mnemoc> automake: `configure.ac' or `configure.in' is required
20:57 < mnemoc> :\
21:00 < mnemoc> can i use configure.in from the parent dir?
21:01 < mnemoc> aha!!
21:01 < mnemoc> SUBDIRS is not set in parent dir :)
21:02 < blindcoder> failed again...
21:02 < blindcoder> mnemoc: which? noone's told me which patch he's talking about
21:03 < mnemoc> a patch on submaster
21:03 < mnemoc> but, if you don't know it you couldn't apply it :)
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21:04 < blindcod1r> mnemoc: which? noone's told me which patch he's talking about
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21:05 < blindcoder> and it seems noone will do so this time either
21:06 < mnemoc> but, if you don't know it you couldn't apply it :)
21:06 < mnemoc> a patch on submaster
21:07 < blindcoder> but it might fix my problem
21:07 < blindcoder> ah, I see
21:07 < mnemoc> 2004012214120105829 <--- new optimization thing
21:07 < mnemoc> but i'm not using it and building ok
21:08 < blindcoder> I'm not using submaster, because it is overkill for the few things I'm changing
21:08 < blindcoder> that's strange... could you send me your config?
21:08 < blindcoder> 2117 built fine for me >_<
21:09 < mnemoc> try with a generic/minimal
21:09 < mnemoc> my target is too non-standard
21:09 < mnemoc> but i can i you really want
21:09 < blindcoder> well, lvp is way off, too
21:13 < mnemoc> btw, even if you don't use sm.pl, you should 'visit' submaster to see the pending patches
21:13 * netrunner manually reschedules all gtk stuff that failed because gtk+ was built so late
21:22 < mnemoc> there is an script to do that
21:25 < netrunner> mnemoc: you mean the newdelete thing?
21:25 < netrunner> who knows the reason for the "glib is not installed (in prefix usr)!" problem?
21:26 < netrunner> wonderful. googling for that message brings exactly my mail to rlml ;)
21:28 < mnemoc> netrunner: you can use -remove $pkg1 $pkg2 $pkg3 to delete the log and remove the files
21:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: ah, ok, next time. was only the logs anyway since they aborted.
21:31 < mnemoc> in that case you can you (nesxt time) -delete
21:31 < mnemoc> s/you/use/2
21:41 < rxr> blindcoder: btw, you still have the electrical content of you SPARC IPX?
21:41 < blindcoder> most of it, yes
21:41 < blindcoder> missing the hard disk and PSU, of course :)
21:41 < rxr> if you do not need the board, CPU and such stuff I'm happy to dispose it for you ...
21:42 < blindcoder> sure, I can send that to you
21:43 < rolla> anyone here heard of cheops-ng?
21:44 < netrunner> rolla: building a new pyramid?
21:44 < rxr> blindcoder: if you are at some fair in the next month we can exchange it there and sage the cost
21:44 < rxr> daja77: our talk at LT is canceled?
21:45 < rolla> netrunner: http://cheops-ng.sourceforge.net/
21:46 < blindcoder> I don't have time for any shows at this time, I will stuff it in a nice DHL pack.
21:46 < rxr> blindcoder: oki - thanks!
21:46 < blindcoder> no problem
21:46 < mnemoc> aaarg... damn automake
21:47 < mnemoc> it still skips that subdir
21:57 < mnemoc> does anything limit the deepness on automake recursion?
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22:01 < MadTux> Greetings.
22:04 < holyolli> madtux!!!!! :)))))))
22:04 < holyolli> MadTux: nice to see you!
22:04 < blindcoder> MadTux!! Ohisashiburi!
22:05 < MadTux> alcoholly!! thanks same to you
22:05 < MadTux> Ohisashiburi blindy-san
22:07 < blindcoder> how' life over there?
22:12 < blindcoder> busy it seems :)
22:12 < MadTux> yeah as usual
22:13 < MadTux> actuall i gtg now, i will come come back later
22:13 < blindcoder> ok
22:13 < blindcoder> bye!
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22:16 < rxr> cu
22:18 < mnemoc> BusyTux!! why did u honor us with your presence?
22:18 < mnemoc> cu rxr
22:18 < mnemoc> gone :(
22:39 < holyolli> n8
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23:25 < daja77> re
23:25 < daja77> rxr: yes :(
23:25 < mnemoc> wb daja77 
23:25 < mnemoc> daja77: why?
23:26 < daja77> we got 78 submissions for 52 slots
23:26 < mnemoc> hm?
23:26 < daja77> they even kicked out a netbsd talk
23:28 < daja77> really strange this time
23:28 < blindcoder> well, clt will be quite stuffed :)
23:29 < daja77> it is really amazing, we had 40 submission one week before deadline, and 78 a week later
23:29 < daja77> blindcoder: indeed i guess we will top the 1800 visitors of last year
23:30 < daja77> rxr: you could still work on the images you told me about, i'd like the idea of having a great presentation
23:30 < daja77> + we can have our talk there as well
23:35 < mnemoc> will we have the promised poster? ;(
23:35 < mnemoc> ;) (fix)
23:38 < rxr> rehi btw
23:38 < rxr> I can not sleep ..
23:38 < daja77> :(
23:39 < netrunner> hi rxr
23:40 < rxr> just increased the package count by 4
23:40 < netrunner> daja77: I got your point with the db, they already closed the registration!
23:40 < daja77> but clifford got his submaster talk
23:41 < daja77> netrunner: doesn't matter i have some write access to it :)
23:41 < netrunner> daja77: so please :)
23:41 < netrunner> rxr: need some more? I have 29 here in avm/ and I bet not all of them are in the official tree :)
23:42 < rxr> netrunner: do they all compile and so on?
23:44 < netrunner> almost. But I wanted to review them for $root usage.
23:44 < rxr> what really bugs me is that I do not find the AUI s.th. network adapter for my Sparc Station - ...
23:44 < blindcoder> rxr: I can send some of those along
23:44 < blindcoder> have a bunch of them here
23:45 < blindcoder> RJ45 or Coax?
23:45 < rxr> if you have to many ... - I only need one - and it must be somewhere around my desk ... had it in my hands some days ago ... ;-)
23:45 < SMP> clifford: something for you: "SEDForth is a Forth compiler written as a SED script. It converts Forth code into subroutine threaded assembly language and Linux console applications." ;-)
23:45 < rxr> normally RJ45 - do you found some SPARC dump or so ?
23:45 < daja77> waaah!
23:46 < blindcoder> rxr: not found one... am one :)
23:47 < blindcoder> I just collected tons of stuff... through the local buergernetz, at siemens, at IS4IT... there was always something to get
23:47 < netrunner> hm, 15 packages build fine (at least I have .log for them)
23:48 < netrunner> rxr: I just also tested the bdb41 patch I sent. you can review them if you are bored :)
23:50 < netrunner> ah, cool, now I know where the perl-xml-parser had gone ;)
23:53 < rxr> netrunner: you mean has been before ? ;-)
23:53 < daja77> http://fun.from.hell.pl/00-ROCZNIK-2001/2001-02-15/mp3.jpg
23:54 < daja77> rxr: watch your status window ;-)
23:54 < rxr> ;-)
23:55 < netrunner> rxr: I missed it in my current build and created it as a new package on the fly while fixing all my errors :) 
23:55 < daja77> so you join?
23:56 < blindcoder> fun.from.hell.pl ... heh
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