--- Log opened Fri Jan 23 00:00:34 2004
00:01 < daja77> netrunner: which mail address I should give them?
00:02 < netrunner> daja77: do they spam? ;)
00:02 < daja77> not that I know of
00:02 < daja77> btw university mail server yesterday rejected 45.000 mails ...
00:03 * netrunner tired of cleaning up behind the cluster goes to bed. n8*
00:03 < blindcoder> yeah... the bingo-ev server rejects about 1.5 times that amount
00:06 < blindcoder> at least since we started rejecting mail from non-existing domains
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00:07 < daja77> this number will increase here too i guess
00:08 < rxr> n8 all
00:08 < blindcoder> n8 rxr!
00:09 < netrunner> n8 rxr et al.
00:09 < daja77> n8 rxr
00:12 * daja77 off to bed too
00:18 * blindcoder gone: the tool 'blindCoder' is currently unavailable at present. Please try to use it at a later time.
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01:31 < mnemoc> *yawn+
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06:10 < owl> moin
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07:14 < netrunner> moin owl
07:16 < owl> hi netrunner 
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09:17 < rxr> re
09:19 < owl> hi rxr 
09:40 < netrunner> build finished. 742 packages in stage 5 ok, 35 bad.
09:40 < rxr> oh my god: ... the new P4 core, codenamed Prescott, will have a longer pipeline then Northwood ..
09:40 < rxr> are those Intel guys crazzy?
09:41 < rxr> ... an Intel spokesman said that 30 stages seems to be a reasonable estimate ...
09:41 < rxr> ?!?!?
09:41 < netrunner> seems that the benefit of a pipeline overcomes the sideeffects of the refilling time with bad prediction.
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09:42 < rus_bob> hi!
09:42 < rxr> I guess people looking for teh Mhz counted overcomem people really needing performance ...
09:42 < owl> hi rus_bob 
09:42 < rxr> hi rus_bob 
09:43 < rxr> oh - my, what have I typed above - seems I'm not yet fully awake ...
09:48 < netrunner> iirc you only loose performance with a pipeline when you mispredict sth ... but then the full pipeline 
09:51 < netrunner> anybody recently tried the -[new]delete? I get lot's of lines saying "error while removing bla, directory not empty"
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09:53 < Baldzius> moin
09:54 < Baldzius> :)
09:54 < owl> moin Baldzius 
10:04 * netrunner tunneling svn:// over ssh
10:30 < blindcoder> moin
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10:43 < owl> http://www2.dw-world.de/german/panorama/1.55890.1.html
10:50 < blindcoder> quite old news
10:51 < owl> hmhm
10:51 < owl> hi blindy
10:58 * clifford owns some space at the moon since 1998 - aprox. 2x as big an manhatten.
11:00 < owl> O_o
11:15 < blindcoder> WAAAAAAH!
11:15 < blindcoder> since when is Sun so... so... full of crap?
11:15 < owl> hoeh?
11:16 < blindcoder> I now got a MySun Partner Webdesk account from my company... and... ARGH
11:16 < blindcoder> [-- Attachment #2: hints&tips.doc --]                                                                                                                                                  
11:16 < blindcoder> [-- Attachment #3: PartnerPWD_Big_Rules_.doc --]                                                                                                                                       
11:16 < blindcoder> *AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH*
11:18 < blindcoder> and I haven't got OOo to work as I want it now
11:18 < blindcoder> hmm... but this may be the oppurtinity to test Staroffice 7
11:19 < owl> haha. don't like docs? :p
11:19 < owl> why not openoffice?
11:19 < blindcoder> because it doesn't work as I'd like it to yet
11:20 < blindcoder> as I just wrote one line earlier
11:20 < owl> arghs. i'm blind. sorry
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11:28 < netrunner> what happens if there's another civilisation out there claiming the same territorities as people here do?
11:29 < owl> hrm. was the Download-file changed?
11:39 < blindcoder> netrunner: war will break out
11:42 < netrunner> blindcoder: sure, the axis of evil is expanded to the specific planed ;)
11:43 < blindcoder> strange... glibc23 compiles fine on a generic/minimal target, but fails on a LVP build
11:43 < daja77> sou you broke it
11:43 * daja77 hides
11:43 * netrunner points at blindcoder 
11:43 < blindcoder> :P
11:45 < blindcoder> but the question is: where and why?
11:46 < blindcoder> okay yet another patch against coreutils
11:47 < rxr> blindcoder: maybe you mess arround with optimisation settings ?
11:48 < blindcoder> I only have ROCKCFGSET_OPTSIZE=1
11:48 < blindcoder> in target/lvp_boot/config.in
11:49 < blindcoder> wrt. optimisation
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11:50 < blindcoder> hmm.. I think I found something
11:50 < blindcoder> brb
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11:56 < daja77> Lorini!
11:59 < owl> hi daja77 
11:59 * blindcoder back
11:59 < daja77> hi owl
12:00 < netrunner> rxr: perl-xml-simple 2.0.9 builds fine. 
12:06 < rxr> netrunner: updatedf
12:06 < rxr> cu
12:06 < netrunner> rxr: :) cu
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12:11 < blindcoder> hmm, looks like I found the glibc culprit
12:16 < blindcoder> yes, that's it.
12:16 < blindcoder> ROCKCFG_OPT _has_ to be set for glibc
12:19 < blindcoder> my coreutils also get more and more overpatched >_<
12:19 < daja77> what are you patching them for
12:20 < netrunner> daja77: to output "Kudos to blindcoder" everytime you run them ;)
12:20 < daja77> hehe
12:22 < blindcoder> ls -l for one
12:22 < blindcoder> the output of the size column tends to wiggle when there're files > 100MB
12:22 < blindcoder> then cp and mv got an option to output % done stats
12:23 < blindcoder> and dd got the % thingie, too
12:23 < daja77> why do you need that in this target
12:25 < blindcoder> not in this
12:25 < blindcoder> on my workstation
12:25 < blindcoder> so i just put it into my personal tree
12:26 < blindcoder> and LVP just happens to also live there
12:26 < jsaw> re
12:27 < daja77> ic
12:27 < daja77> hi jsaw 
12:27 < jsaw> hi daja77 
12:27 < jsaw> hi blindcoder, hi all
12:28 < blindcoder> moin jsaw 
12:46 < rxr> rehi
12:46 < rxr> hi jsaw 
12:47 < blindcoder> re rxr
12:47 < blindcoder> narf, dietlibc seems to be severely broken...
12:48 < blindcoder> can't compile bash, coreutils and others against it
12:51 < clifford> *ROTFL*  http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20040146393123.gif
12:51 < rxr> blindcoder: did you updated s.th. - my last install builds have compiled fine ..
12:51 * blindcoder hands "Stupid White Men" to PHB :)
12:51 < blindcoder> rxr: nope, plain 2272
12:51 < rxr> ouch
12:52 < rxr> good that I'm ill and do not find my SS2 AUX connector ...
12:52 < blindcoder> I'll try a generic/minimal later to verify that
12:52 * rxr restarting install build ...
12:53 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll send you one with the IPX parts early next weex
12:53 < blindcoder> week
12:53 < clifford> blindcoder: the glibc/opt thing is solved in my patch:
12:54 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004012214120105829
12:55 < blindcoder> clifford: I see
12:56 < jsaw> hi rxr
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13:19 < mnemoc> moin
13:19 < blindcoder> moin mnemoc 
13:20 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder 
13:21 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
13:22 < blindcoder> mnemoc: seems like cliffords patch would have solved my problem
13:22 < mnemoc> d'oh
13:23 < blindcoder> ROCKCFG_OPT was not set
13:23 < blindcoder> or better, was set to '0'
13:23 < mnemoc> i don't understand :\ why didn't i got that problem?
13:23 < blindcoder> which made glibc23 being compiled without optimisation...
13:23 < blindcoder> mnemoc: try without ROCKCFG_OPT
13:24 < blindcoder> [ ] Optimize all binaries and libraries
13:25 < blindcoder> and cliffords patch doesn't allow that to be false anymore :)
13:26 < daja77> argl got spam to my former rock address
13:26 < daja77> christian spam
13:26 < blindcoder> well, at least it's funny spam :)
13:27 < blindcoder> spam consisting only of random words with a viagra gif isn't funny >_<
13:29 < daja77> well this is quite stupid
13:29 < daja77> if i would be a christian i could get lots of money form that lady
13:30 < blindcoder> oh, THAT one...
13:31 < daja77> hehe you know it
13:31 < blindcoder> yeah... whenever I was bored I used to read my SPAM mails
13:31 < daja77> well i could setup the church of linux and fund it
13:31 < blindcoder> but with the latest-and-greatest in spam-sending even that isn't possible anymore
13:31 < blindcoder> well... you could always fund the church of emacs
13:32 < daja77> i know, but why wasting money
13:33 < blindcoder> heh
13:33 < blindcoder> yes, I know how you feel
13:34 < blindcoder> I also think that EMACS is quite a good OS, but to be on par with the other players like Linux and Windows it still needs a good text editor
13:34 < daja77> yep
13:36 < blindcoder> daja77: what do you think of i18n for LVP? :)
13:39 < owl> .oO( blindcoder is a workaholic )
13:39 < owl> boook. and i'm hungry. 
13:40 < blindcoder> owl: nah, I just want to archive my animes in a usable way
13:41 < blindcoder> and seeing as I'm almost done with V 0.3.0 "no help from mplayer guys" I need a new item on my TODO :)
13:41 < owl> O_o ok
13:41 < owl> blindcoder: you mentioned once, that you are a good cook - so please give me something eatable +cries*
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13:42 < esdentem> hi all
13:42 < esdentem> ping netrunner
13:42 < blindcoder> moin esdentem 
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13:42 < owl> hi esdentem 
13:42 < blindcoder> owl: come here and I'll make you something
13:42 < owl> hmmm. bad... no chance
13:43 < owl> ah. temporary esden?
13:44 < esdentem> hi blindcoder, owl *bow*
13:44 < mnemoc> hi esden
13:44 < esdentem> sorry ... I am scheduling more then one task at the moment ... so I lag a bit
13:44 < esdentem> hi mnemoc
13:47 < clifford> esdentem needs a pre-emptive O(1) scheduler.  ;-)
13:49 < esdentem> clifford: my code was generated in evolutionary manner ... and I think that because of that I am not yet a fully optimized model ... 
13:51 < mnemoc> O_o
13:53 < owl> off. weekend. bye
13:54 < esdentem> cu owl
13:54 < esdentem> have a nice weekend
13:54 < daja77> gcc -o esdentem -O4
13:54 < mnemoc> cu owl 
13:55 < mnemoc> isn't he written in prolog?
13:55 < mnemoc> or haskell 
13:55 < daja77> oh that would explain why esdentem is slow
13:56 < blindcoder> I'd vote for Java2k
13:56 < daja77> hehe
13:56 < blindcoder> because if he starts something then it's 90% sure he won't finish it :)
13:56 < mnemoc> rotfl
14:02 < esdentem> then blindcoder must be written in something similar ... one can be sure that he starts something he will stop some milimeters before the finish for sure ;)
14:03 < blindcoder> eto... eto... ano... hai >_<;
14:04 < esdentem> blindcoder: don't be ashamed everyone has his constraints ... even you
14:04 < esdentem> ;)
14:04 < blindcoder> hehe :)
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14:22 < esdentem> ahh very well ... finally I found the option to enable threaded view in evolution ... *sigh* I was close to changing back to mutt ...
14:24 < blindcoder> how good is evolution with handling several mailaccounts and gpg-keys?
14:25 < esdentem> very good ... I have found nothing negative about evolution till now (four mail accounts simultanously, gpg usage) I have not yet tested synchronisation with a palm os because I do not posess one ... but it claims to be able to do that
14:26 < jsaw_> esdentem: don't forget http://freshmeat.net/projects/multisync/ (which will be in my repo when it compiles cleanly)
14:26 < blindcoder> hmm
14:26 < blindcoder> can it use mbox files?
14:26 < esdentem> I have the same amount of mailfolders as on apollo (30 or so) and the filter rules work for me so mails are also sorted correctly
14:28 < blindcoder> so no need for fetchmail or similia? I can just keep using procmail and mutt via ssh?
14:28 < esdentem> it uses mbox files as default but it seems to create additional cache files for headers and current mails and so ... so I do not think that it is a good idea to attack them with mutt
14:28 < blindcoder> hmm.. that's bad...
14:28 < esdentem> but it should be tested to be shure that it is not working
14:29 < esdentem> but the mbox files are standard
14:29 < blindcoder> well, I'm not keen on testing that with my work-mbox
14:29 < esdentem> blindcoder: I installed it ... imported some mbox files from apollo in it and tested for a while ... before I switched to it
14:34 * blindcoder running (hopefully) final test-build of LVP 0.3.0
14:35 < daja77> blindcoder: i could need your patches later that day
14:36 < blindcoder> daja77: which?
14:36 < blindcoder> coreutils?
14:36 < daja77> olvp
14:36 < daja77> -o
14:37 < blindcoder> okay
14:37 < blindcoder> xfree is currently building so it's almost done
14:40 < esdentem> :Q
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14:42 < rolla> re
14:43 < blindcoder> although I'm not sure if this will be 0.3.0 final...
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14:47 < blindcoder> argh, now xfree fails
14:50 < blindcoder> hmm... seems the expat.h thing is at fault
14:50 < jsaw_> blindcoder: external expat?
14:52 < blindcoder> jsaw_: yes. xfree was recently changed to use the system expat.h instead of the internal one
14:52 < blindcoder> but I don't have package expat in lvp
14:53 < jsaw_> blindcoder: I'll provide a "pkginstalled" patch later tonight unless you do it right now...
14:54 < blindcoder> I just add expat to lvp for now
14:54 < blindcoder> But I can do the pkginstalled right now, too
14:55 < blindcoder> seems cleaner to me
14:55 < jsaw_> that would be great.
14:58 < rxr> blindcoder: I would never use XFree's internal expat
14:58 < rxr> is is a hack - and with future modularization of XFree will go away anyway ..
14:59 < blindcoder> rxr: so you wouldn't take the patch anyway?
15:00 < rxr> I'm unsure ...
15:00 < blindcoder> well, I'll just send it for now
15:01 < esdentem> re
15:01 < blindcoder> wb
15:01 < rxr> blindcoder: just add expat to your target? ;-)
15:02 < blindcoder> rxr: sure, but for example I just checked and I also don't have expat on my laptop
15:03 < blindcoder> which is a generic/minimal installation with packaged added when needed
15:06 < rxr> then minimal needs to be adapted ...
15:08 < blindcoder> a lot seems to need to be adapted ...
15:08 < blindcoder> anyway, what about the gzexe patch?
15:09 < rxr> blindcoder: why a lot ?
15:10 < blindcoder> both templates, lvp, don't know about desktop
15:14 < jsaw_> rxr: once xfree is modularized, the configuration will also be different... so using pkginstalled for expat and probably other pkgs shouldn't be a problem right now..!?
15:14 < jsaw_> oh, s/once/*once*/
15:14 < jsaw_> :)
15:15 * jsaw_ shortly away :-!
15:15 < mnemoc> cu jsaw_ 
15:18 * netrunner hacking cross-network build ability
15:18 * mnemoc hacking pthread :(
15:21 < rxr> other packages yet - but we are not going to mess arroudn with xfree now ...
15:22 < rxr> s/yet/yes/
15:22 < blindcoder> shouldn't ncurses install the termcap libs?
15:25 < rxr> blindcoder: your gzexe patch is now merged ...
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15:26 < blindcoder> rxr: cool, thanks ^^
15:29 < blindcoder> hmm
15:31 < blindcoder> there is a $root/lib/libtermcap.a -> libncurses.a
15:31 < blindcoder> that's strange, at best...
15:32 < blindcoder> because libncurses.a is in $root/usr/lib
15:33 < blindcoder> ah, that might be because ln is linked statically
15:33 < blindcoder> so the flistwrapper chokes
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15:37 < cytrinox> moin
15:39 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc 
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15:45 < mnemoc> hi jsaw :)
15:45 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox 
15:53 < netrunner> hehe, good way to debug build scripts: just insert a call to bash :)
15:54 < mnemoc> ^^
15:56 < blindcoder> and if you're unhappy about the progress, do a exit 1 :)
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15:56 < netrunner> do mount bindings use loop devices?
15:56 < mnemoc> i use to insert exit 1 on hooks :)
15:57 < mnemoc> netrunner: hope not
15:57 < rxr> netrunner: no
15:57 < rxr> just enable xtrace for debugging ...
15:58 < mnemoc> xtrace is mandatory ;)
15:58 < netrunner> rxr: I have nfs-mounted the / of another pc to build/blubb/root and want to build a package into there.
15:59 < netrunner> the changeroot does not work. same problem as it was with the download dir.
15:59 < netrunner> (in the beginning of my rock carrier :)
16:01 < rxr> you mounted build/.../root to another box ?
16:01 < netrunner> from
16:02 < netrunner> export / , mount blubb:/ build/blubbcfg/root
16:02 < blindcoder> hmm
16:02 < rxr> mount more then root
16:02 < rxr> one moement
16:04 < mnemoc> rxr: can last '$?' be added to xtrace prompt?
16:04 < rxr> from our script I think you need to mount the whole ./build dir
16:05 < rxr> mnemoc: you could send a patch ... ;-(
16:05 < rxr> ;-) even ...
16:05 < rxr> me shortly away ...
16:05 < mnemoc> :)
16:11 < esdentem> excuse me ... what are the newest prebuilt iso that are avalable somewhere online? Perhups I am blind but I only see rc2. rc3 and rc4 are somehow missing. Or have I overseen something?
16:12 < esdentem> netrunner: what was the name of the window manager you compiled today? and are you ready with the compile?
16:12 < netrunner> esdentem: at home I already use it. I currently play with mounting the / of my laptop to my build server to let him build, but that does not really work well.
16:13 < esdentem> netrunner: humm ... nasty ;)
16:13 < esdentem> and what is the name of it once more?
16:14 < netrunner> esdentem: kahakai
16:14 < netrunner> esdentem: I can submit it if you like
16:14 < blindcoder> strange name...
16:15 * blindcoder happily using xpDE
16:15 < esdentem> netrunner: thanks ... 
16:15 < esdentem> now ... someone could answer my previous question?
16:15 < netrunner> blindcoder: package?
16:15 < blindcoder> netrunner: nope
16:15 < netrunner> blindcoder: do!
16:15 < blindcoder> xpde is a pita to set up and has to be done for each user individually
16:16 < netrunner> blindcoder: do it to /etc/skel :)
16:16 < blindcoder> I haven't found a possibility to do some kind of global installation
16:16 < blindcoder> you see, it even brings its ~/.registry
16:18 < blindcoder> heh, I rarely see transparent terminals which _overlap_
16:19 < blindcoder> all the kahakai screenshots are carefully taken so that no overlap happens between transparent windows
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16:22 < esdentem> so ... what is the newest available iso of some rock target?
16:23 < esdentem> is there really nothing newer then rc2?
16:23 < netrunner> esdentem: I have just created isos from my epia build :)
16:24 < netrunner> esdentem: maybe blindy has still some from the congress
16:24 < esdentem> netrunner: nice ... but I need it for vmware ... I do not think that it is a good idea installing your hackbuild on it ;)
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16:24 < blindcoder> nope, the 20C3ISO builds are gone already
16:24 < blindcoder> I needed the space
16:25 < esdentem> ok ... so I will have to accept the rc2 iso >_<
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16:25 < jsaw> cu tonight, bye bye
16:26 < netrunner> esdentem: I also have a generic mmx build of somewhen here, maybe rc4prex
16:27 < rxr> esdentem: http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/incoming/
16:27 < rxr> esdentem: -rc3 - feel free to test and tell me if they work ...
16:27 < esdentem> ahh very well
16:27 < esdentem> thanks rxr
16:28 < esdentem> netrunner: I take the rxr one ... for now
16:28 < esdentem> rxr: will you make a rc4 build?
16:28 < blindcoder> ah, xfree already at manpage-creation, so it seems like it should work now
16:32 < rxr> esdentem: -rc5 in some days ...
16:36 < blindcoder> dammit, libebml needs C++ exception handling
16:39 < netrunner> hehehe http://www.booble.com
16:41 < blindcoder> what is mike up to NOW?
16:41 < blindcoder> " San Jose, Costa Rica - Intel announced that it will join forces with a Costa Rican coffee exporting company, Café Britt, to produce a coffee-nanoprocessor hybrid, to increase productivity among computer engineers and other coffee addicts."
16:45 < blindcoder> hmm... can anyone explain to me why on earth I added base/bind to LVP?
16:49 < netrunner> blindcoder: dig
16:50 < blindcoder> dig?
16:51 < blindcoder> in LVP? not really
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16:52 < esdentem> rxr: I look forward to it
16:56 < mnemoc> clifford didn't like my comment on submaster about chunks :(
16:58 < esdentem> ok ... I am off for home 
16:58 < esdentem> cu all
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16:58 < clifford> mnemoc: I thought you wanted to know what the related chunks to this patch are - but there aren't any.
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16:58 < clifford> what did you mean instead?
17:00 < mnemoc> long time ago rene ask us to send patches only to related stuff
17:00 < mnemoc> different purpose, different mail
17:00 < mnemoc> i was trying to joke about that :(
17:06 < clifford> Aehm - I don't get you. In which way do you think that this should be split up into multiple pieces?
17:08 < mnemoc> pulpstone/oprofile is one thing and optimization is other 
17:08 < mnemoc> but don't worry
17:08 < mnemoc> stupid /me is bad for jokes
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17:09 < clifford> no. there is no sense in having smart optimisation without pulpstone which is used to create the smart database.
17:10 < mnemoc> oh.. then i need to read deeper into oprofile and pulpstone :\
17:12 < netrunner> ah, I think I got the trick with the mounting.
17:12 < netrunner> but that is damn slow over wlan 
17:13 < mnemoc> i think you can only have to mounted dir in your rock tree the root and download/
17:14 < mnemoc> because the everything else inside the chroot are symlinks
17:14 < mnemoc> s/the//1
17:15 < netrunner> mnemoc: didn't work due to the bindings do not work then (empty dirs).
17:15 < mnemoc> a binded path don't honor other binds inside the original patch
17:17 < mnemoc> netrunner: have to tryed adding the mount --bind build inside Build-Pkg as we are doing with download?
17:19 < mnemoc> clifford: do u have some 'readme' about pulpstone?
17:20 < clifford> no - just rtfs ..  :-(
17:20 < clifford> but feel free to write one...
17:21 < mnemoc> ehm.... i'll keep reading the source :)
17:23 < netrunner> mnemoc: what I did not is bind / to build/default/root on the client, then export the build with nohide, then mount it on my build server and use the whole build dir.
17:26 < mnemoc> wow
17:27 < SMP> how do I build stuff in the chroot after pkgloop ..? :>
17:27 < clifford> SMP: huch..
17:28 < clifford> calling Build-Pkg directly is not cluster-save.
17:30 < clifford> what exactly are you trying to do?
17:31 < SMP> I think it is unclean (and it has proven to be unreliable) that e.g. linuxrc is not built inside the chroot
17:31 < clifford> Ah. That's on the 2.1 todo list: the finish package.
17:31 < SMP> *gnnn*
17:32 < clifford> multiple modules might split up finish packages and use them to do whatever they want in the chroot.
17:33 < netrunner> clifford: hihi, this is exactly what I am currently doing with building over net ;)
17:53 * blindcoder back
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18:22 < _MadTux_> moin.
18:23 < daja77> hi _MadTux_ 
18:23 < _MadTux_> Greetings Daniel :)
18:23 < _MadTux_> Lorini, !!!!!!!
18:25 < blindcoder> moin maddy
18:26 < _MadTux_> hi blindy-san
18:26 < _MadTux_> blindy your package has yet not arrived :(
18:26 < blindcoder> :(
18:27 < blindcoder> sucks
18:27 < _MadTux_> yes :(
18:27 < blindcoder> maybe they stopped it and are watching Inu Yasha right now :)
18:28 < _MadTux_> perhaps they stopped it and are tryng to find out why doesn't it sound on the cd player ;-)
18:28 < blindcoder> why it doesn't play in their DVD-Players :)
18:28 < blindcoder> wow
18:29 < blindcoder> I'm just writin a CD in my laptops drive and the whole laptop's vibrating
18:29 < _MadTux_> no, cd player, they may be too dump to find out its a dvd
18:29 < blindcoder> hmm... yes... they're without a label IIRC
18:29 < _MadTux_> hehe... vibrating laptop cool
18:30 < blindcoder> yeah, it's excited about LVP 0.3.0 "no help from mplayer guys" :)
18:30 < daja77> good vibrations
18:30 < _MadTux_> hehe
18:30 < _MadTux_> daja77, mm... you seem quite today
18:30 < blindcoder> heh, the static binaries are FAST
18:30 < daja77> hm?
18:31 < netrunner> wow, it worked. (building over nfs/wlan). but that kahakai uses 30% mem :(
18:32 < blindcoder> daja77: I'm just testing the new LVP with statically linked binaries
18:32 < _MadTux_> mmm
18:32 < daja77> blindcoder: cool
18:32 < daja77> bad thing is i will not use it for the clt cd
18:32 < blindcoder> and I barely saw the startup screen after "Uncompressing Linux ... done"
18:32 < blindcoder> :(
18:33 < daja77> but i will do some lvp discs soon
18:33 < _MadTux_> daja77, so how is life treating you?
18:34 < daja77> it is charming and sucking equally
18:34 < blindcoder> daja77: there are still a handful of issues with 0.3.0 but I expect to release it this weekend
18:34 < blindcoder> well.... a nice charming blonde that's also.... ehm... I should stop here
18:34 < _MadTux_> daja77, mm... sounds ok
18:34 < daja77> hehe
18:36 < rolla> _MadTux_: 
18:37 < _MadTux_> Greetings Joel :)
18:37 < rolla> :)
18:38 < _MadTux_> rolla, query please
18:44 < rolla> I think I have fixed named
18:53 < netrunner> are there terminals for linux that do real transparency?
18:55 < _MadTux_> Eterm ?
18:56 < rolla> s/dat/day
18:56 < rolla> grrr
18:56 < rolla> rolla needs to kill his keyboard
18:56 < _MadTux_> hehehe
18:57 < _MadTux_> kill it kill it
19:00 < netrunner> _MadTux_: does it do alpha-transparency?
19:02 < _MadTux_> Not sure, but maybe you want to check on their docs? http://www.eterm.org/docs/view.php?doc=ref#trans
19:02 < netrunner> _MadTux_: I think the problem is more the xserver from what I read. freedesktop.org are building an xserver that can do real alpha trans.
19:03 < _MadTux_> nice
19:07 < netrunner> omg, who invents all those projects? http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/
19:10 < _MadTux_> Freaks?
19:10 < _MadTux_> anyways i'll be back in a while, time to eat :)
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19:19 < netrunner> ahahaha /me doing awk magic
19:20 < daja77> rewriting 4gewinnt *gg*
20:11 < mnemoc> re
20:12 < daja77> wb
20:13 < mnemoc> thanks daja77 
20:13 < _MadTux_> hello mnemoc
20:14 < mnemoc> rehi BusyTux
20:14 < daja77> <- watching tv
20:33 < mnemoc> hm.. what's xinetd doing in my mono-test target?
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23:02 < netrunner> the bootdisk I just built is completely freaking out :(
23:02 < _MadTux_> mm?
23:03 < netrunner> the menu doesn't react on input as expected. if I go to shell and press enter, I am prompted the stuff of menupoint 0. but I am also in the shell. weird.
23:04 < netrunner> not to mention that it fails loading the initrd.
23:04 * mnemoc still waiting _MadTux_ greetings back
23:04 < netrunner> and it mentions an internal error in hwscan.
23:04 < _MadTux_> _GREETINGS_ mnemoc
23:04 < mnemoc> netrunner: i ahve experienced that a couple of times....
23:05 < mnemoc> _MadTux_: :)
23:06 < netrunner> mnemoc: wasn't dietlibc recently updated? maybe it's that ...
23:08 * netrunner goes to bed and schedules that for tomorrow.
23:08 < netrunner> n8 to the other side ;)
23:10 < mnemoc> :)
23:10 * mnemoc hates dietlibc :(
23:11 < mnemoc> how can we depend on somehting we can't trust? :(
23:14 < _MadTux_> do you trust your employer? 
23:14 < daja77> hehe
23:14 < _MadTux_> *G*
23:15 < mnemoc> if i can't trust him i had to be looking for a new one
23:15 < mnemoc> some to dietlibc
23:15 < daja77> do you trust glibc?
23:16 < mnemoc> :( /me defeated
23:16 < daja77> i was just wondering
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23:17 < mnemoc> wb batok 
23:17 < batok> hi 
23:22 < mnemoc> how is you PR/rename idea maturing?
23:37 < batok> sorry I was at the phone, I forgot to "leave"
23:38 < batok> I need to know more about "to what is going to evolve this rocklinux concept " to figure out some
23:39 * daja77 is against name changing
23:41 * _MadTux_ off
23:41 < _MadTux_> cya all
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23:41 < mnemoc> cu BusyTux
23:45 < mnemoc> batok: it's simple, rock will support non-linux kernels (like bsd or hurd) so some people conciders (a) ROCK*Linux*  will not be apropiate and others (b) sounds to much like 'yet another linux distro'
23:46 < daja77> who cares
23:46 < mnemoc> thats (c) :-)
23:47 < daja77> it rerally doesn't matter taht much as most of us beleive
23:47 * daja77 mags zed's bemerkung zu aim
23:48 < mnemoc> hm?
23:48 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
23:48 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder 
23:48 < daja77> mnemoc: wrong chan
23:54 < batok> tomorrow I will install rocklinux ( drock rc3 ) .  It is going to be installed at one sales clerk.  She was using LTSP before.
23:57 < mnemoc> good luck :)
23:57 < batok> She was using XFCE as WM, and uses OpenOffice.org, AMSN, Dosemu
23:57 < batok> It is a good chance to start promoting Rock in this city
23:58 < daja77> just keep in mind taht rock doesn't ship openoffice atm
23:59 < batok> Is anybody using it right now ?
23:59 < batok> Any hint ?
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