--- Log opened Sat Jan 24 00:00:35 2004
--- Day changed Sat Jan 24 2004
00:00 < blindcoder> OOo?
00:00 < batok> Do you suggest me to not install Rock at this moment in this case ?
00:00 < batok> OpeOffice.org
00:00 < blindcoder> use the binary distribution from openoffice.org
00:01 < batok> ok
00:01 < blindcoder> I really don't recommend building it from sourc
00:01 < blindcoder> e
00:01 < batok> I am going to download it right now
00:02 < daja77> batok: if we find someone who takes the pain of building a rock package for it, we will ship it ;-)
00:03 < batok> I think it can take days to compile such monster I think.
00:03 < daja77> i hope not
00:04 < batok> btw what 's the app that has taken more time to compile ?
00:04 < batok> X11 ?
00:04 < daja77> kde
00:05 < batok> how many days ?
00:05 < daja77> < 1
00:07 < blindcoder> daja77: rumor has it that OOo needs Java to compile
00:08 < daja77> i only know that you need a certain gcc version for it
00:08 < blindcoder> well, _that_ definately sucks
00:08 < mnemoc> # grep -e "^\[BUILDTIME\]" package/*/*/*.cache | cut -d':' -f2 | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort -n | tail -1
00:08 < mnemoc> 651691
00:09 < mnemoc> package/kde31/kdebase31/kdebase31.cache:[BUILDTIME] 651691 (9)
00:09 < mnemoc> what time unit is that?
00:09 < daja77> blindcoder: cos it sucks, still the best office app on linux
00:10 < mnemoc> iirc it's not included because the distribution restrictions of java
00:10 < batok> mnemoc: I have no idea
00:11 < batok> Guys what happen to java  ? I mean is there anything wrong with it ?
00:12 < daja77> the license
00:12 < blindcoder> daja77: I have StarOffice 7 for Linux here, but not installed it yet
00:13 < blindcoder> batok: the license prohibits us from a) mirroring it and b) redistributing it
00:14 < batok> blindcoder: So is any java app ?
00:15 < batok> I always got crazy with these license issues !
00:15 < batok> One has to be a Techno Lawyer
00:16 < blindcoder> batok: what do you mean? "So is any java app ?" ??
00:16 < mnemoc> "there is any java-dependen app currently in rock?"
00:16 < batok> Any app made with java
00:17 < daja77> there are gpl java apps afaik
00:17 < batok> i.e. Tomcat
00:19 < batok> A java app needs a VM.  Is the VM the restricted stuff ( by Sun ) ?
00:19 < daja77> yes
00:19 < daja77> but you could try gcj as well
00:19 < batok> And what about if you convert that to a binary
00:19 < blindcoder> gcj can't handle awt and swing stuff
00:19 < batok> I didn't know
00:20 < batok> nothing GUI
00:20 < batok> anyway I think java sucks at GUI
00:21 < daja77> rofl
00:21 < mnemoc> brb
00:21 < daja77> what else you need it for
00:49 < blindcoder> narf, upx is a real bitch
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00:50 < daja77> n8 you all
00:50 < blindcoder> n8 daja77 
01:12 < blindcoder> o_O
01:12 < blindcoder> 24MB...
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02:52 < mnemoc> blindcoder: what happened you with upx?
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09:46 < rxr> re
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09:51 < jsaw> good morning rxr
09:51 < rxr> moinj
09:51 < rxr> moin jsaw, even ;-)
09:51 < rxr> root:/usr/src/rock-trunk# ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg install
09:51 < rxr> Error logs from install-2.0.0-rc5-x86-i386-32-bootdisk-expert:
09:51 < rxr> 159 builds total, 159 completed fine, 0 with errors.
09:52 < jsaw> I'm cursing/fixing since a few hours...
09:52 < jsaw> s/ing since/ing jailing since/
09:58 < rxr> jailing? ;-)
09:59 < jsaw> I want to give it a try it (going to buy 2 120Gb drives, setting up raid server later this day)
10:00 < rxr> mirroring?
10:00 < jsaw> yep (it's a question of money, ya know?)
10:00 < jsaw> otherwise I'd go for raid 5
10:01 < rxr> maybe tinier disks but radi5?
10:01 < rxr> I have 4x40GB here .. (setup two years ago ...)
10:02 < jsaw> well, I need it fast, I need it large - and it has to fit into an old PC (P100)...
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10:03 < jsaw> I should start removing my private files from my lab computer...
10:05 < jsaw> family awake: me starts cleaning up/shopping - cu l8r
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10:33 < blindcoder> moin
10:34 < blindcoder> mnemoc: it's a pain in the ass to compile, but I have it packaged
10:37 < rxr> blindcoder: what is such a pain?
10:38 < blindcoder> rxr: upx
10:39 < blindcoder> rxr: it needs ucl installed in the system AND needs its sources to compile
10:40 < blindcoder> upx is an executable packer, and ucl the compression library
10:43 < daja77> my machine rebootet without a known reason this night :(
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12:07 < cytrinox`> moin
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13:15 < laga> hi ;)
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13:43 < mnemoc> moin
13:43 < mnemoc> blindcoder: but, after all, does it gives you what you wanted?
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13:52 < mnemoc> rxr: svn.rl-consulting.de seems to be down
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14:01 < blindcoder> mnemoc: indeed it does
14:04 < mnemoc> good bitch :)
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15:35 < mnemoc> *yawn*
15:36 < daja77> *reyawn*
15:38 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
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15:48 < esdentem> hi all
15:49 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:49 < daja77> hi esden
15:50 < esdentem> hi daja
15:51 < esdentem> do you know how I can tell rocklinux to load a module before trying to mount root or so?
15:51 < esdentem> I need for vmware the BusLogic driver but it is a module ...
15:53 < daja77> no src?
15:54 < esdentem> what source do you mean?
15:54 < esdentem> I do not want to recompile the kernel ... that is the poin
15:54 < esdentem> t
15:54 < esdentem> I think it has to be added to initrd ... and then told as commandline to the kernel to mount it somehow ...
15:54 < daja77> put it in initrd?
15:55 < daja77> thought initrd stuff is automagically loaded when needed ...
15:59 < esdentem> I will see
16:02 < esdentem> ahh very well ... I only had to add mount BusLogic to /etc/config/kernel and recreate initrd.img in stone
16:02 < esdentem> that helped
16:03 < daja77> rotfl http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/studium/0,1518,grossbild-303632-282744,00.html
16:05 < esdentem> ok ... besides the missing modules in bootdisk (they create nasty looking error messages while starting the instaldisk) and the missing (they are now compiled in statically) usb modules that produce also nasty looking errors while booting the system ... everything looks pretty good in rc3
16:08 < esdentem> hmm ... the kernel seems to miss the driver for the VMWare VGA card ...
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16:26 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:28 < blindcoder> esdentem: I get kernel dumps during bootup, so your problems are minimal :P
16:28 < esdentem> I did not say that they are big these problems ...
16:28 < esdentem> ;)
16:29 < esdentem> humm ... is rocklinux-consulting.de offline?
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16:35 < mnemoc> esdentem: the whole day :/
16:35 < mnemoc> (hi blindcoder, esdentem ;-)
16:36 < blindcoder> ++ bash scripts/xfind.sh config/lvp/. package/. scripts/. misc/. architecture/. target/. '!' -name '*.cache' -newer build/lvp-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-lvp_boot-expert/tools.chroot/.lastupdate -printf 'Found new/updated file: %p\n'
16:36 < blindcoder> hmm...
16:36 < blindcoder> my machine is hanging here for an hour already...
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17:20 < daja77> hmm subversion is still down
17:21 < esdentem> grrrr"
17:21 < esdentem> !
17:21 < daja77> ack
17:22 < esdentem> that was sure that in the moment when I want to get the rock sources (the first time since a long time) svn will be down ... *sigh*
17:23 < daja77> i could tar you src of yesterday
17:23 < esdentem> it seems that svn is afraid that something it will get problems when I get that stuff ;)
17:24 < esdentem> daja77: that would be very nice
17:24 < esdentem> daja77: is it a sm repository?
17:24 < jsaw> esdentem: try http://svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de/
17:25 < esdentem> ahh yes ... that is an idea ... but still I need sm.pl first ;)
17:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: `sm switch` could be nice
17:25 < jsaw> esdentem: maybe also on http://svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de/?
17:26 < mnemoc> esdentem: svn2.rl-consulting.de/submaster/trunk
17:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: :)
17:26 < daja77> esdentem: erh yes, but i would use scripts/Create-SrcTar ...
17:27 < esdentem> it seems that submaster is not mirrored 
17:28 < daja77> esdentem: http://lospalmos.homelinux.net/sm.pl
17:31 < blindcoder> hmm... I could check out rev 2282 around noon
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17:44 < esdentem> daja77: your sm seems to be old or so ... because the revision number extraction code is wrong ...
17:44 < daja77> i checked it out yesterday
17:45 < esdentem> then it it may be the version of svn I use or is on the svn2 server
17:45 < esdentem> but I fixed it now and it checks out 
17:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: based on the link rxr previously posted (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/ppp-ssh/forwarding.html), I guess, we have to change the rocknet "forward" command!?
17:51 < mnemoc> let's see...
17:52 < esdentem> checkout running
17:52 < esdentem> that takes ages ... *sigh*
17:53 < mnemoc> jsaw: i guess ktune option enables conf/ppp$unit/forwarding
17:54 < jsaw> mnemoc: nope, try catting it.
17:55 < mnemoc> i have it enabled here
17:55 < mnemoc> magicly
17:55 < mnemoc> # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ppp0/forwarding
17:55 < mnemoc> 1
17:56 < jsaw> ? maybe pppd does it based on ip_forward ?
17:56 < mnemoc> maybe... i do rocknet default auto up; rocknet default all up; on network start
17:57 < mnemoc> if pppd checks ip_forward we can have problems if pppd gets connected before rocknet all do its job
17:57 < jsaw> mnemoc: "echo 1 > ip_forward" spreads through all devices
17:58 < mnemoc> and wth does ktune?
17:59 < jsaw> mnemoc: ip, gw's, arp, route etc ?
17:59 < mnemoc> :)
18:00 < mnemoc> i thought that stuff was loaded always
18:00 < mnemoc> if defaultroute is given
18:00 < jsaw> btw, ktune also sets ip_forward if proxyarp option is used ...
18:01 < mnemoc> rtfsl?
18:01 < jsaw> sl?
18:01 < mnemoc> luke :)
18:01 < mnemoc> read the source luke
18:01 < mnemoc> the f was a typo
18:01 < jsaw> nope, manual page 
18:02 < jsaw> reminder to self: rtfm (once in a while)
18:04 < mnemoc> to do that to often is bad for health
18:05 < jsaw> :))
18:10 * jsaw -> child care
18:10 < jsaw> (but then, who cares for me?)
18:11 < daja77> erh ...
18:11 < SMP> $female ?
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18:24 * mnemoc has mother + 3 sisters + wife + 1.9 daughters + 4 sisters-in-law + .... :-\
18:25 < daja77> much care :D
18:26 < mnemoc> *too* much care :\
18:26 < daja77> sweet little boy
18:26 * daja77 hides
18:26 < mnemoc> o_O
18:27 * mnemoc to lunch... cu
18:28 * daja77 imagines meeting mnemoc's family and all the women telling stories about him ...
18:29 < mnemoc> :(
18:30 < mnemoc> wife + her mother + her 4 sisters + her 3 >18 nieces
18:30 < daja77> :D
18:31 < mnemoc> ok... gotta go... bbl
18:31 < daja77> cu
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20:19 < blindcoder> where on earth does R.src/debug.sh come from?
20:31 < blindcoder> that looks just wrong... shouldn't that be R_chroot?
20:33 < mnemoc> Build-Pkg
20:34 < mnemoc> debug.sh is there to be called by hand
20:34 < mnemoc> when the pacakge fails
20:35 < blindcoder> yeah, but the chroot just stands there...
20:35 < blindcoder> it doesn't do anything...
20:35 < blindcoder> bin/bash-2.05b# ./scripts/Build-Pkg  -2 -cfg lvp -root auto -chroot -id 1074971171.1310.68631702 -chr-sub -root "/R.build/lvp-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-lvp_boot-expert/root" "binutils"
20:35 < blindcoder> I just did the commands manually...
20:36 < blindcoder> this one just _fucking_ _sits_ _there_ _forever_
20:42 < blindcoder> what the hell...
20:44 < blindcoder> if [ -z "$ROCK_OUPUT_PLUGIN_PROC_ACTIVE" ]; then
20:44 < blindcoder>         export ROCK_OUPUT_PLUGIN_PROC_ACTIVE=1
20:44 < blindcoder>         exec 199> >( output_proc )
20:44 < blindcoder> fi
20:44 < blindcoder> that's where it hangs...
20:44 < blindcoder> in output_proc
20:45 < blindcoder> hmm... or not...
20:45 < blindcoder> GRAH
20:46 < blindcoder> what is this crap?
20:48 < blindcoder> ++ bash scripts/xfind.sh config/lvp/. package/. scripts/. misc/. architecture/. target/. '!' -name '*.cache' -newer build/lvp-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-lvp_boot-expert/tools.chroot/.lastupdate -printf 'Found new/updated file: %p\n'
20:48 < blindcoder> +++++ tr a-z A-Z
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ eval 'y=$ROCKCFG_OUTPUT_HTML'
20:48 < blindcoder> +++++ y=0
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ '[' 0 = 1 ']'
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ '[' -f misc/output/noexpertconfig.in/functions.sh ']'
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ '[' -f misc/output/parse-config/functions.sh ']'
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ '[' -f misc/output/speech/functions.sh ']'
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ '[' -f misc/output/speech-config.in/functions.sh ']'
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ '[' -f misc/output/terminal/functions.sh ']'
20:48 < blindcoder> ++++ read type data
20:48 < blindcoder> GRAAAAAAH
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21:07 < mnemoc> blindcoder: found it?
21:15 < blindcoder> how in hell?
21:16 < blindcoder> it MAY be because bash is compiled static
21:16 < blindcoder> it MAY be because bash is without readline
21:16 < blindcoder> it MAY be because bash is without gettext
21:16 < blindcoder> it MAY be because I just suck
21:16 < blindcoder> it MAY be because ROCK sources aren't commented at all
21:17 < blindcoder> it MAY be because of the phase of the moon
21:17 < blindcoder> it MAY be because it's too cold in my room
21:17 < blindcoder> I have no fucking idea
21:17 < mnemoc> 5 is for sure
21:17 < mnemoc> maybe 4 and 6 too
21:18 < blindcoder> I am currently trying with another checkout
21:18 < blindcoder> the one I've been working with so far and already managed to squeeze a working LVP out of
21:22 < netrunne1> hm, what do I need to run after manually calling gasgui?
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21:23 < mnemoc> chroot and stone setup
21:34 < netrunner> argl. coredump. illegal instruction. damn.
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21:48 < netrunner> argl, my patch got not applied :/
21:50 < mnemoc> what patch?
21:51 < netrunner> mnemoc: I wanted to patch gcc* using a target/epia/pkg_gcc*.conf
21:52 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe those custom .confs are not read when a package uses custmain?
21:52 < mnemoc> hm?
21:53 < mnemoc> pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf are independent of both the build function of the package
21:54 < mnemoc> and /me added hooks to gcc's custmain
21:55 < mnemoc> target config replace only $pkg.conf
21:57 < netrunner> [ -e $confdir/$pkg.conf ] && . $confdir/$pkg.conf      \n     hook_add postpatch 9 "patch -p1 <$targetdir/gcc3.patch"
21:57 < netrunner> that's what I do in target/epiam/pkg_gcc3.conf
21:57 < mnemoc> $targetdir? wtf is thaT? ;-)
21:58 < mnemoc> target/$target/
21:58 < netrunner> targetdir ..... directory containing the target config (target/...)
21:58 < mnemoc> uhm
21:59 < mnemoc> Build-Pkg:453:targetdir="$base/target/$target" :(
22:00 < mnemoc> try var_append patchfiles ' ' $targetdir/gcc3.patch
22:00 < netrunner> ok. and I'll add an echo_status before.
22:01 < mnemoc>  btw, all gcc* has it's .conf so you don't need the test
22:02 < netrunner> mnemoc: I copied it from the desktop target and left it :) it's not that much overhead 
22:03 < mnemoc> :)
22:03 < netrunner> var_append patchfiles ' ' $targetdir/$pkg.patch    <- so I can copy it for the other gccs :)
22:04 < mnemoc> ehm... do u only want to patch?
22:04 < netrunner> yup
22:04 < mnemoc> $targetdir/pkg_$pkg.patch  <--- this is self added to $pkg's patchfiles list
22:05 < netrunner> ah, bravo :)
22:05 < mnemoc> less overhead ;)
22:06 < netrunner> ah, well, my linux24-patch is ~2MB, I better do that with .confs :)
22:07 < mnemoc> hm?
22:07 < mnemoc> is it conditional even for your target?
22:08 < netrunner> ECANNOTPARSE, 'conditional even'
22:10 < netrunner> mnemoc: sorry, I do not understand your last line ...
22:10 < mnemoc> if $target="netrunner" && $foo -eq 0; then patch_the_package; fi
22:11 < mnemoc> or only if $target="netrunner"; then patch_the_package; fi
22:11 < mnemoc> for the first you *need* the .conf
22:11 < mnemoc> for the second you don't.
22:12 < netrunner> mnemoc: ah, yes I know that, second choice. but I also patch for header and src. so I would need the pkg_linux24{,-header,-src}.patch, no?
22:13 < netrunner> I just want to be complete :)
22:13 < mnemoc> ack
22:14 < netrunner> mnemoc: ok, this is why I said I'll do it with the .conf, because I do not want to have 3 copies of a 2mb patch there.
22:14 < mnemoc> that's for sure =)
22:14 < netrunner> hm, my pkg_mplayer.conf did his job.
22:15 < mnemoc> i use to source pkg_linux24.conf from linux24-*.conf
22:17 < mnemoc> s/i use/i'm used/
22:17 < netrunner> mnemoc: cool, let's loop ;)
22:19 < mnemoc> =)
22:29 < netrunner> ok, starting a new build.
22:31 < netrunner> ok, waiting for the old build/blubb being removed .. chrrr
22:31 * netrunner suggests introducing tempfs for build/ , makes removing faster :)
22:33 < mnemoc> how much memory (minimal) do you need to build a 'generic' with tempfs?
22:34 < netrunner> hm, about 7g I think. so a 8G machine would suffice. 
22:34 < netrunner> that would make building really fast :)
22:35 < mnemoc> i meaned for src.* not for build/ :(
22:38 < netrunner> mnemoc: you mean the normal tempfs build? I use the standard 800M. A try with 300M failed in linux26 (no space left). (that was the reason for my mail to the rlml, as I learned later ;)
22:39 < netrunner> the advantage of tempfs is a) speedup due to faster i/o and b) not so many broken hdds :)
22:41 < mnemoc> R
22:42 < mnemoc> RL is great to test hardqware ;)
22:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: yeah, had 4 broken disks within 1 year 
22:43 < mnemoc> oh
22:46 < mnemoc> i guess that's not good for PR :'(
22:47 < daja77> it is also bad for pr when base stuff gets broken all the time
22:47 < netrunner> daja77: oh, bad mood? 
22:47 < daja77> sort of
22:48 < mnemoc> "Use ROCKLinux an discover if your jewel deserved the money you payed for it"
22:48 < mnemoc> what's broken now daja77?
22:48 < daja77> you mean atm? can't tell
22:49 < daja77> no build running, but that alsa stuff delayed everything for me
22:50 < netrunner> ah, now my patch got applied
22:50 * netrunner *knuddels* mnemoc
22:51 < daja77> hugs ...
22:51 < netrunner> ugh, yes 8) 
22:51 < mnemoc> :P
22:52 * mnemoc learning german :)
22:52 -!- nookie_ is now known as nookie
22:53 < mnemoc> (on the channel)
22:53 < daja77> :)
22:53 < daja77> nookie: you called after me some days ago?
22:53 < nookie> yeah
22:53 < nookie> i wanted to ask you something about programming with ncurses
22:53 < nookie> but problem is already solved :)
22:54 < daja77> waaah i am doin no ncurses stuff
22:55 < nookie> why not?
22:56 < nookie> what do you have against ncurses?
22:56 < daja77> well let me put it like that, i have other painful stuff to do at work ;-)
22:58 < netrunner> magic is bad. somebody reenabled linux26-src. other linux26 stuff staied disabled. 
22:58 * netrunner goes to bed, awaiting results tomorrow :)
22:58 < daja77> cu netrunner 
23:02 < mnemoc> cu netrunner 
23:34 < netrunner> *rofl* http://www.hans-schneider.de/airport.php
23:35 < daja77> still awake?
23:35 * netrunner returned from bed because the movie chosen by my gf turned out to be a soap of the badest ones :)
23:35 < daja77> poor boy
23:36 < mnemoc> lucky netrunner. he *let* you run ;)
23:37 < mnemoc> she*
23:37 < netrunner> mnemoc: thx for the correction ;)
23:37 < mnemoc> =)
23:38 < mnemoc> "high-impact typo"
23:45 < netrunner> mnemoc: oh, to translate the german part of the link: two guys went to the info of an airport, handing out a paper with a name (left column) to be called out. now it sounded quite different when said (middle column)
23:46 * mnemoc now reading it :)
23:47 < mnemoc> d'oh
23:47 < mnemoc> but... are those real names?
23:50 < netrunner> nope, invented to have a meaning when the reader tries to say them. you can listen to it how it sounded through the airport speakers
23:51 < netrunner> the person at the info realized it only after the 5th name and had the guys removed :)
23:52 < mnemoc> lol :) .. where did that happend?
23:52 < netrunner> london airport
23:53 < netrunner> they always aked about 45 minutes after a plane of Pakistan Airlines, Air India or Thai Airways arrived, so the names were not that obvious
23:54 < netrunner> ok, movie finished, /me off again ;)
23:54 < mnemoc> n8 netrunner :)
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