--- Log opened Wed Jan 28 00:00:45 2004
00:26 < mnemoc> jsaw2: still here?
00:28 < mnemoc> term=capabilities charmap=drawing?
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00:49 < daja77> n8 you all
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00:59 < jsaw2> mnemoc: more or less (working on CAD design of my project with my boss)
00:59 < jsaw2> (short break right now)
01:00 < jsaw2> me :-!
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01:47 < mnemoc> re :)
01:48 < mnemoc> jsaw2: with your _boss_ this late???
01:59 < jsaw2> short-break-again
01:59 < jsaw2> mnemoc: yep. He's also a night-o-work-o-holic
02:00 < jsaw2> yesterday he left 6am, me 8am...
02:00 < jsaw2> me :-! again...
02:01 < mnemoc> bas thing
02:01 < mnemoc> bad*
02:05 * mnemoc really hates hot nights :(
02:09 * SMP throws a snowball at mnemoc
02:10 < mnemoc> thanks :)
02:10 < mnemoc> 27º is too much for 22:00 :\
02:10 * jsaw2 sends some clouds with snow
02:11 * mnemoc hopes they reach here
02:16 * mnemoc thinks about jumping to his neighbour's pool
03:31 < jsaw2> going home... cu
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05:08 < MyDoom> 3
05:11 < MyDoom> gn8 
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06:25 < p-man> hello
06:26 < p-man> kernel: MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke!
06:26 < p-man> is this a kernel bug or misconfiguration ?
07:13 < netrunner> moin
07:14 < netrunner> 868 builds total, 440 completed fine, 11 with errors.
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08:09 < rxr> re
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08:11 < Baldzius> moin 
08:27 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
08:31 < fake> rxr: just because i'm curious - how often do you check the submaster page? or is it 'quicker' to send a pacth to the ml?
08:41 < rxr> fake: more regularly soon
08:42 < rxr> but the last days have been quite filled with flat stuff (contract signing and so on) and the last paper for university - which I have to talk about in a few minutes ...
08:42 < rxr> and in addition we will branch 2.1 soon
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08:44 < fake> rxr: oh, new flat?
08:49 < rxr> fake: the usual stuff when a relation ends ...
08:49 < rxr> ok - I'm off to a presentation - more later ...
08:49 < netrunner> what about a bind-client package? I am missing host/nslookup/dig sth here :(
08:49 < netrunner> rxr: may it go well :)
08:53 < fake> rxr: :(
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09:47 < Spike> hello @all
09:47 < netrunner> hi Spike 
09:48 < Spike> after UPdate-Srci can't start my linux because it stops with the error error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5
09:48 < Spike> why do i need ncurses to boot linux?
09:49 < netrunner> Spike: update-src doesn't touch your system, just the rock-sources.
09:49 < netrunner> Spike: what program reports this error?
09:49 < Spike> sorry i meant UPdate-System :)
09:51 < Spike> /bin/sh
09:52 < netrunner> Spike: could you run ldd /bin/sh and see if it is linked against ncurses? (which would be really weird.)
09:53 < Spike> no because i cant start my system it stops after a lot of the error messages and INIT: Id "2" respawing too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
09:54 < Spike> :(
09:55 < netrunner> Spike: you can append init=/bin/bash to your kernel. then see what is linked against ncurses and then maybe run ldconfig or see if you have libncurses.so.6 ...
09:55 < netrunner> s/6/5
09:56 < netrunner> depending on the version of your rock before the lib may have moved. i think it could be under /lib , so make sure /lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf and then run ldconfig
09:58 < Spike> netrunner: then it stops with init: error while loading shared libraries: libcurses.so.5: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init
09:58 < Spike> :(
09:59 < Spike> i can't understand why init is linked against libncurses
10:13 < netrunner> it is not init. you may also try init=/bin/sh which is usually safer ;) or init=/bin/kiss ...
10:14 < netrunner> if you use a shell as init, and you quit the shell, then the kernel panics since he does not like init to be terminated.
10:19 < Spike> but with init=/bin/sh the same error appears :(
10:19 < blindcoder> moin
10:20 < Spike> netrunner: init=/bin/kiss works 
10:21 < netrunner> Spike: so do you have /lib/libncurses.so.5?
10:21 < netrunner> hi blindcoder 
10:22 < Spike> netrunner: no only libncurses.so
10:26 < Spike> netrunner: i can't install libncurses5 because /bin/bash needs libncurses.so.5
10:27 < netrunner> Spike: could you do a grep libncurses /var/adm/flists/ncurses to see where the libncurses.so.5 has gone? the libncurses.so should be a symlink to libncurses.so.5 which then should be a symlink to libncurses.so.5.3 (or whatever is the current version)
10:27 < netrunner> Spike: does ldd /bin/bash show ncurses? 
10:30 < Spike> netrunner: ldd /bin/bash exits with the same error
10:34 < blindcoder> Spike: you're in a kiss right now?
10:35 < blindcoder> Spike: check if /lib/libncurses* exist
10:35 < Spike> blindcoder: yes
10:35 < blindcoder> Spike: if they do not, then update-system messed up, which is - unfortutately - quite possible
10:35 < blindcoder> they exist?
10:35 < netrunner> ldconfig
10:35 < Spike> blindcoder: no they don't exist
10:35 < blindcoder> okay,
10:35 < blindcoder> so update-system messed up
10:36 < blindcoder> Spike: I can give you a precompiled version of ncurses
10:36 < netrunner> Spike: you said you have /lib/libncurses.so ?
10:36 < blindcoder> Spike: so you can copy that to a floppy, mount it from kiss, copy the libs to /lib/ and then run ldconfig
10:36 < Spike> yes but it is an empty link
10:37 < netrunner> ah ok ;)
10:37 < Spike> i have found libncurses.so.5 in src.ncurses.2546235
10:37 < blindcoder> Spike: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/ncurses.tar.bz2
10:37 < blindcoder> hmm
10:37 < Spike> blindcoder: i have an powerpc ibook :)
10:37 < blindcoder> oh...
10:38 < netrunner> blindcoder: youre shooting fast with precompiled things ;)
10:38 < blindcoder> Spike: in that case go to src.ncurses.2546235
10:38 < blindcoder> netrunner: I accidentally have them lying around
10:38 < blindcoder> Spike: and install libncurses.so.5 manually by copying it /lib and runnning ldconfig
10:38 < netrunner> blindcoder: libncurses.so.5 is a symlink. 
10:39 < blindcoder> libncurses.so.5.3 then
10:39 < netrunner> (to libncurses.so.5.3)
10:39 < netrunner> it would be more interesting why it had failed.
10:39 < blindcoder> netrunner: because the rock script use bash
10:40 < blindcoder> more to the point: the install wrapper does
10:40 < netrunner> blindcoder: but bash is not linked against ncurses.
10:40 < blindcoder> netrunner: ehm, yes, it is
10:40 < blindcoder> at least here, it is
10:41 < netrunner> ldd /bin/bash  | grep ncurses || echo nope -> nope
10:41 < blindcoder> hmm... strange
10:42 < netrunner> Spike: can you cat /var/adm/log/5-ncurses.err (or a similar file, maybe 9-) and interpret the last lines that led to the error?
10:44 < blindcoder> or just paste them to a query :)
10:47 < Spike> in 9-ncurses.out:
10:49 < Spike> ..build/default/tools.native/wrapper/install -c -m 755 ../lib/libncurses.so.5.3 //lib/libncurses.so.5.3
10:49 < Spike> /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
10:50 < Spike> --- Build Error --
10:50 < blindcoder> netrunner: well?
10:51 < netrunner> damn readline.
10:53 < blindcoder> that's why I said, install libncurses.so.5.3 manually and run ldconfig
10:54 < netrunner> ok I give up. I think rene could have prebuilt ncurses for mac.
10:56 < Spike> i cant copy libncurses.so* from src.ncurses to /lib
10:57 < Spike> because cp cannot open "/lib/* for writing
10:57 < netrunner> mount -o remout,rw /
10:57 < Spike> ups
10:57 < Spike> :)
11:02 < netrunner> Spike: if it works, it costs a beer on Linuxtag ;)
11:02 < Spike> netrunner: mount -o remount,rw / doesnt' work :(
11:03 < Spike> netrunner: ok if i works xou can get a beer :)
11:04 < netrunner> Spike: why does it not work? (ie what is the error?)
11:04 < Spike> netrunner: mount: bad commandline
11:05 < netrunner> Spike: use /bin/mount -o remount,rw 
11:05 < netrunner> Spike: kiss has it's own mount that doesn't have -o
11:07 < Spike> netrunner: /bin/mount => init: oops, segment violation trying to reload kernel panic: Attempted to kill init
11:07 < Spike> netrunner: is that normal?
11:07 < netrunner> uhm,no ;)
11:08 < netrunner> maybe it works using the kiss mount, just doing mount /dev/discs/disc0/yourslashpartition /
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11:11 < Spike> netrunner: juhu /bin/mount -o remount,rw / works
11:12 < netrunner> Spike: I prefer Erdinger dunkles Weissbier ;)
11:12 < Spike> netrunner: i like dunkles weizen too :)
11:13 < Spike> netrunner: now i have the libncurses.so* in /lib
11:13 < Spike> netrunner: libncurses.so shuld be a link to libncurses.so.5 
11:13 < Spike> netrunner: and libncurses.so.5 a link to libncurses.so.5.3 is that right?
11:14 < netrunner> Spike: jup. do not forget to run ldconfig.
11:15 < netrunner> and make sure /lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf
11:15 < netrunner> (before) ;)
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11:15 < netrunner> good morning sir clifford 
11:19 < blindcoder> good morning Big Poobah :)
11:19 < Spike> netrunner: now i have a simply question, how can i reboot from kiss :)
11:19 < blindcoder> echo susb > /proc/sysrq-trigger
11:19 < Spike> netrunner: i have solved my little problem :)
11:20 < Spike> netrunner: jippi Juhu now i can start my linux again :)
11:20 < Spike> netrunner: thank you
11:22 < Spike> netrunner: you will get your beer in karlsruhe
11:22 < Spike> netrunner: you are from munich?
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11:26 < netrunne1> re
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11:30 * netrunne1 wonders why the packages of the 2.4.24 kernel are named linux{,-src,-header}-2.4.23.gem
11:30 < netrunne1> Spike: status?
11:31 < blindcoder> netrunne1: I'd say because [V] isn't updated?
11:32 < Spike> netrunne1: thank you now it works
11:32 < netrunne1> blindcoder: it is.
11:33 < Spike> netrunne1: now i can use ldd /bin/bash
11:33 < Spike> netrunne1: and there appears libncurses.so.5
11:34 < Spike> netrunne1: why is bash linked against libncurses?
11:34 < netrunne1> Spike: yes, this is because of readline needs ncurses.
11:35 < Spike> netrunne1: and how can i update now my system without the same problems?
11:35 < Spike> :)
11:35 < netrunne1> Spike: now that you know what to do when this occurs, it is not a problem any more ;)
11:36 < Spike> netrunne1: :)
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11:36 < netrunne1> Spike: I woulnd't use update-system anyway, because bad things [tm] can happen if intrusive changes were done to the rock-src
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11:38 < Spike> netrunner: you mean i should always use Emerge-Pkg packagename (i am new with rocklinux :))
11:38 < netrunner> Spike: hm. If _I_ want to update a package, I just Build-Pkg it. that is safe :)
11:39 < blindcoder> netrunner: Emerge-Pkg is more comfortable to use :{
11:39 < blindcoder> :)
11:39 < Spike> netrunner: ok thank you what is the difference between Build-Pkg and Emerge-Pkg
11:39 < netrunner> blindcoder: no, it has more characters.
11:40 < netrunner> Spike: emerge-pkg resolves dependencies 
11:40 < netrunner> and downloads and builds them. 
11:41 < Spike> netrunner: not really when i emerge-pkg gnome-panel for example and no gtk is installed it breaks with the error no gtk package found
11:42 < netrunner> Spike: this is a db problem because the dependency on gtk is not recorded. thx that you remind me, I wanted to report this some time ago!
11:42 < blindcoder> netrunner: no, Em<tab> as opposed to Bu<tab>P<tab> :P
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11:46 * netrunner opts for using the dietlibc -cvs. probably our bootdisks would then work again.
11:48 < daja77> moin
11:48 < blindcoder> moin daja77 
11:49 < daja77> moin blindy
11:49 < netrunner> moin daja77 
11:49 < daja77> moin netty
12:23 * netrunner away.
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13:33 < fake> now that the cassiopeia runs rock, i go for the next gadget: my ipod ;)
13:35 < Spike_> does anyone know why aterm doesn' correctly set the PS1 (with xterm it works)
13:35 < netrunner> Spike_: echo ". /etc/profile" >> ~/.bashrc
13:36 < fake> .bashrc ?
13:36 < fake> ;)
13:36 * fake writing exam
13:36 < fake> brb
13:36 < netrunner> fake: /me was faster :P
13:38 < jsaw> re
13:38 < jsaw> hi all
13:39 < jsaw> netrunner: can you test my patch for linuxrc from submaster?
13:41 < netrunner> jsaw: if submaster would work here, yes. :(
13:41 < netrunner> jsaw: I'll try tonight.
13:42 < jsaw> just download the patch...
13:42 < jsaw> oh, ic
13:42 < jsaw> netrunner: I exchanged all "wait"s with "waitpid"s and then it works.
13:42 < jsaw> netrunner: must be a bug in "wait"
13:43 < jsaw> netrunner: I should say, it works _here_ :)
13:43 < netrunner> jsaw: the question is, why has it worked before?
13:44 < Spike_> netrunner:  thanx why does .profile not work?
13:47 < MyDoom> moin
13:47 < MyDoom> Spike_: .bash_profile
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13:49 < netrunner> MyDoom: that's equal.
13:49 -!- MyDoom is now known as mnemoc
13:49 < mnemoc> .bash_profiel works  :)
13:50 < netrunner> Spike_: the *profile are only read for login shells, which terminals are not. they only read the .bashrc
13:50 < netrunner> mnemoc: ok, haven't tried ;)
13:50 < netrunner> mnemoc: manpage says only .bashrc
13:51 < Spike_> netrunner: ok thank you. you have really earned a "dunkles Weizen" :)
13:51 < mnemoc> ssh login don't read .bashrc itself
13:51 < netrunner> Spike_: you come to linuxtag?
13:51 < mnemoc> you have to source it from .bash_rpofile :\
13:51 < Spike_> netrunner:
13:51 < Spike_> yes of course
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13:52 < Spike_> netrunner: karlsruhe is not so far away from augsburg
13:54 < netrunner> Spike_: http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/allgemeines/  <-- that's the one I was talking about ;)
13:54 < netrunner> Spike_: but I may show up in karlsruhe as well ;)
13:54 * fake too!
13:59 < daja77> :)
14:00 < mnemoc> *hug* daja77 
14:00 < daja77> *rehug*
14:01 < daja77> btw if someone i unsure if he should come or not sven guckes wrotes a nice ad for us http://www.guckes.net/linuxbus/
14:03 < fake> Prüfungen zu LPI 101 und LPI 201,
14:03 < fake> he
14:03 < fake> can i do thaht? is it free?
14:05 < fake> oh
14:05 < fake> no
14:05 < fake> it's not.
14:05 < fake> it's a half thing ;)
14:05 < daja77> http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/service/lpi.html
14:06 < fake> daja: zu empfehlen?
14:06 < mnemoc> what's the default console charset of framebuffer?  
14:06 < fake> 8x16 ?
14:06 < fake> aeh
14:06 < fake> C
14:07 < mnemoc> none=C ?
14:07 < fake> yeah, i think so
14:07 < mnemoc> thanks
14:09 * fake drivin' home
14:10 < daja77> fake: dunno
14:13 * blindcoder back
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14:27 < cytrinox> moin
14:28 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox`
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14:44 < mnemoc> moin jsaw_ 
14:53 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc 
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15:02 < jsaw> cu l8r
15:02 < mnemoc> :|
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15:37 * rolla does a dance of joy
15:38 < daja77> why
15:39 < blindcoder> hmm... seems like I can release lvp 0.3.0 finally today
15:39 < mnemoc> congratulations blindcoder 
15:41 < rolla> daja77: cause I sold my ultra 10 on ebay
15:44 < daja77> cool
15:45 < blindcoder> wow... xterm is the third-largest binary on lvp...
15:48 < rolla> daja77: yeah I am very ahppy about it :)
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16:33 < holyolli> moin
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17:12 < blindcoder> final lvp check running
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17:14 < netrunner> this damn mozilla is building for 2h now :(
17:16 < netrunner> anybody here who want's to tell me why submaster is not working for me? I'd really like to use it.
17:20 < netrunner> ok, maybe after dinner ;)
17:24 < blindcoder> I'm not using it (well, the webinterface, but not sm.pl)
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18:07 < rxr> re
18:10 < daja77> wb rxr
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18:20 < daja77> 1101 builds total, 1013 completed fine, 88 with errors.
18:35 < rxr> daja77: could you paste the 88 errors ? ;-)
18:39 < daja77> yes
18:40 < daja77> in the chan?
18:42 < rxr> where you think it is reasonable ...
18:43 < daja77> could use the other chan if you like
18:43 < daja77> it is much
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18:53 < spiketz> hy @all
18:55 < rxr> hi spiketz 
18:56 < spiketz> hy rxr
19:01 < spiketz> netrunner: hy at the moment i am drinking dunkles Erdinger :P
19:01 * rxr shortly away 
19:11 < netrunner> spiketz: *tret*
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19:11 < netrunner> 868 builds total, 541 completed fine, 12 with errors.
19:11 < spiketz> netrunner: :)
19:12 < spiketz> netrunner: i will come to chemnitz
19:12 < spiketz> netrunner: then you will get one 
19:13 < daja77> dark white beer sounds a bit perverted, no?
19:13 < netrunner> spiketz: well :) at least I won another happy rl user 
19:13 < daja77> :))
19:16 < spiketz> netrunner: how do you go to chemnitz? by train?
19:19 < netrunner> spiketz: probably by camper to have a place to sleep :)
19:21 < daja77> outdoor?
19:21 < netrunner> daja77: camper, mobile home :)
19:21 < daja77> well as you please
19:23 < netrunner> daja77: what reminds me that you live there ... 8)
19:24 < daja77> :D
19:25 < daja77> netrunner: other chan
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19:28 < rogx> hello world
19:30 * daja77 as a subscetion of this world says hello
19:41 * netrunner also greets rogx back.
19:51 < netrunner> hm, he's a quiet one :)
19:52 < rogx> from which db reads ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg the package names?
19:53 < netrunner> rogx: scripts/dep_db.txt
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19:54 < rogx> thanks  :)
19:54 < daja77> netrunner: no
19:58 < netrunner> daja77: hm? I looked quickly into it and found the dep_db.txt ...
19:59 < daja77> read which database for which purpose
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20:07 < rogx> i will see new available sources before install them
20:08 < daja77> you want what?
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20:09 < LocalHero> Hi all
20:10 < daja77> hi LocalHero 
20:10 < rxr> re
20:10 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
20:11 < LocalHero> daja77: rxr, hi :)
20:11 < rogx> example: new kernelsource released (2.6.1) and i have installed 2.6.0.  in wich local db i can see new available linux26-src?
20:12 < daja77> cat package/base/linux26/linux26.desc
20:12 < LocalHero> Is there any dvd burning software that are free? cdrecord seams to be locked and non open source :(
20:12 < rogx> daja77: thx
20:13 < daja77> LocalHero: there is, but it is not really good, ask blindy for that
20:13 < LocalHero> daja77: ahh, oki. thanx
20:14 < SMP> LocalHero: well a license for cdrecord-ProDVD is freely available for non-commercial use
20:14 < SMP> LocalHero: but see http://www.nongnu.org/dvdrtools/ and http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
20:14 < daja77> hi SMP 
20:14 < LocalHero> SMP: Ahh, oki, thats nice :).. Better read some on cdrecorder page
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20:48 < mnemoc> re
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20:51 < rxr> rehi
20:51 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
20:57 < mnemoc> hi rxr
20:58 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:58 < mnemoc> hi blindy-0.30-final
20:59 < blindcoder> mnemoc: not yet, still a bug to kill, but that should it be then
20:59 < blindcoder> scripts/Download seems to exit with >0
20:59 < mnemoc> uhm?
21:00 < blindcoder> which kills my automizer script >_<
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21:15 < rxr> wow - 1000 hits on the handbook via the www.rocklinux.org Handbook page this months ...
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21:15 < rxr> a total of over 1400 views ....
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21:56 < fake> hi
21:56 < daja77> hi fake
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22:11 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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23:34 < cytrinox> gn8
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