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--- Log opened Sat Feb 07 00:00:15 2004 00:02 -!- msw [~msw@shill.XCF.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #rocklinux 00:05 < daja77> hi msw 00:06 < msw> hi daja77 00:06 < msw> does 2.0.0-rc4 still require devfs to build? 00:06 < daja77> phew 00:07 < daja77> had to dig commit mails for that 00:07 < daja77> trunk should work without 00:08 < msw> i.e. 2.1 development? 00:08 < daja77> no 00:08 < daja77> 2.0dev 00:08 < msw> trunk of 2.0 ok 00:08 < daja77> yep 00:10 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 00:16 < esdentem> what does the escape code : \033]0; ? 00:19 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 00:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 00:23 * daja77 off to bed now 00:23 < daja77> cu 00:27 < mnemoc> cu daja77 00:28 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-94.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:28 < holyolli> moin 00:34 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 00:36 < holyolli> hola mnemoc 00:36 < mnemoc> hola hola 00:37 < esdentem> ahhh weeeee I found a solution! 00:37 < esdentem> -norc that is it 00:37 < esdentem> that should be used in the debug.sh script 00:37 < esdentem> hi holyolli 00:38 < holyolli> hi esden 01:02 < esdentem> ROFL I did it!!! I made it! I got bash to do a segfault! hehe 01:06 < mnemoc> o_O 01:06 < ringo> if I do "dd if=image of=/dev/fd0; dd if=/dev/fd0 of=temp; head temp `ls -l temp | awk '{print $5}'` > temp_ ; diff temp_ image" diff should not report any differences ? 01:17 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:20 < esdentem> no it should not 01:20 < esdentem> erm ... it should 01:21 < esdentem> because head is writing 10 first lines of what you have in temp 01:21 < esdentem> and image may contain more 01:22 < esdentem> but what you wrote here is not really making sense 01:22 < esdentem> to me at least 01:31 < ringo> esdentem: sri meant cmp iso diff, dd did not write last 248 bytes ... so I trailed it with some junk data now the complete root flop is being written 01:35 < ringo> now its working like a charm 01:35 * holyolli is going to bed now..cya 01:35 < esdentem> good 01:35 < esdentem> cu holyolli 01:35 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-94.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("Leaving") 01:43 < ringo> Is it normal that dd does not write the full file just the mod 512 part ? 02:03 < SMP> no 02:04 < ringo> SMP: thx under fbsd it does in some weird manner I have to tail some junk at the end .. 02:07 < SMP> the manpage clearly documents other behaviour 02:27 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C203.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 02:48 < ringo> hmm forgot my root password :) 02:57 < mnemoc> ehm... 02:59 < ringo> I did not use it for a year.. Had to rescue and blanc shadow 02:59 < ringo> Still costs 20 min ... :( 03:02 < mnemoc> could be worse :) 03:03 < ringo> lucklely I have physical access to the machine 03:05 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:19 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("reboot linux") 03:23 -!- ringo [~ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 04:06 -!- ringo [~ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("leaving") 04:09 < mnemoc> gn8 04:18 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 04:24 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E251.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:24 < jsaw> re 04:25 < ringo> re 04:49 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail@p213.54.152.206.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:01 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail@p213.54.135.129.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:07 -!- sten [~sten@h24-64-187-183.lb.shawcable.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:18 < sten> how long do you think the update to kde 3.2 will take? 05:22 < SMP> till it's updated or till it works? 05:30 < sten> till it's checked into the stable tree 05:30 < sten> (2.0, I guess. I'm not sure if the rc's are considered stable) 05:31 < SMP> rcs are as stable as it gets 05:31 < sten> will I see kde 3.2 within the month? 05:33 < SMP> I guess it will go into trunk soon after Rene is mostly done with his move. not sure how soon that will be, but I guess it will be within the month pretty sure. 05:33 < SMP> you can always play with the kde32 branch ... 05:42 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, snyke 05:42 -!- daja77 [[Rc4Ij7RW0@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: snyke 06:09 < sten> SMP: ok. thanks. 06:51 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has joined #rocklinux 07:06 -!- sten [~sten@h24-64-187-183.lb.shawcable.net] has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4") 07:08 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-128.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:16 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has quit ("I'd rather be lucky than good") 07:28 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:52 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("leaving") 08:53 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 09:28 < blindcoder> moin 09:37 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a99.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:22 -!- tsapi [~tsapi@ppp1-adsl-253.the.forthnet.gr] has joined #rocklinux 10:22 -!- tsapi [~tsapi@ppp1-adsl-253.the.forthnet.gr] has left #rocklinux () 10:53 < blindcoder> gotta go to a apothcary 10:53 < blindcoder> bbl 11:23 -!- togg [~togg@pD950C165.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:23 < togg> hello evrybody 11:24 < togg> i cant compile rock-2.0.0-rc2 on my athlon64 11:24 < togg> (target = x86) 11:24 < togg> anybody here who knows a working configuration to compile? 11:36 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802870.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:43 < blindcoder> re 11:43 < blindcoder> togg: update to svn HEAD 11:45 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802AC6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:04 < togg> this was my error: 12:04 < togg> == 11:28:51 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-rc2]. 12:04 < togg> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 12:04 < togg> -> Preparing build in src.glibc23.1076149730.9353.1292829984 12:04 < togg> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-glibc23.out 12:04 < togg> !> {standard input}: Assembler messages: 12:04 < togg> !> {standard input}:73: FATAL: Can't write /mnt/work/rock-s .. 12:04 < togg> !> make[2]: *** [/mnt/work/rock-src-2.0.0-rc2-togg/src.glib .. 12:04 < togg> !> make[2]: Leaving directory `/mnt/work/rock-src-2.0.0-rc2 .. 12:04 < togg> !> make[1]: *** [resolv/others] Error 2 12:04 < togg> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/work/rock-src-2.0.0-rc2 .. 12:04 < togg> !> make: *** [all] Error 2 12:04 < togg> scripts/Build-Target: command substitution: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' 12:04 < togg> scripts/Build-Target: command substitution: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file 12:04 < togg> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-glibc23.out -> 1-glibc23.err 12:04 < togg> == 02/07/04 11:46:04 =[1]=> Aborted building package glibc23. 12:08 < blindcoder> first: pleae post these things to a query 12:09 < blindcoder> second: post the relevant part from the .err file, not the mangled output on your terminal 12:09 < blindcoder> third: before you post, use the most recent version and try again 12:11 < togg> i do :) 12:11 < blindcoder> -rc2 is _not_ recent 12:12 < togg> ill try 12:13 < blindcoder> btw 12:13 < blindcoder> {standard input}:73: FATAL: Can't write /mnt/work/rock-s 12:13 < blindcoder> what is the _rest_ of that line? 12:13 < blindcoder> the _relevant_ error message? 12:18 < darix> hi all :) 12:18 < darix> hi togg 12:18 < darix> togg: scripts fixed =) 12:19 < togg> hi darix 12:31 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C203.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:22 < togg> so i have now tried rock-svn... it builds till dietlibc (stage1) now. (i did not activated dietlibc in config) 13:23 < togg> please have a look at my error log and tell me suggestions: https://monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de/~darix/1-dietlibc.err.txt 13:24 < mnemoc> dietlibc has two modes, 'build' and 'build and use' 13:24 < mnemoc> if you don't want to build it you have to remove it from pacakges list using pkgsel 13:26 < mnemoc> btw, if you are having problems in your build you sould want to enable 'XTRACE' con config to get more complete log files 13:27 < togg> ok ill trie 13:29 < mnemoc> about your error, it failed because of pic-x86_64/dyn_syscalls.o was missing, and the previous log don't show it's build, then i guess there is a bug on the makefile or something like that 13:30 < togg> mnemoc: how can i remove a package? remove it from config/packages.txt or from target/pkgsel.sed ??? 13:31 < mnemoc> enable pkgsel on config and add '- dietlibc' 13:31 < mnemoc> config/packages.txt it's generated 13:34 < togg> so i build 13:38 < cytrinox`-> moin 13:38 < togg> hi 13:38 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox`- 13:57 < esdentem> ahh very well ... minimal+xfree build finished: 13:57 < esdentem> 253 builds total, 239 completed fine, 14 with errors. 13:57 < esdentem> among them lilo, util-linux, e2fsprogs, syslogd 13:57 < esdentem> that are very severe packages ... 14:02 < mnemoc> esdentem: hi 14:03 < mnemoc> can you add them to $bugtrack (whatever it's called) 14:03 < mnemoc> bugtrack=flyspray 14:07 < blindcoder> moin esden 14:07 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder 14:08 < blindcoder> hi mnemoc 14:10 < saskatoon> moin 14:11 * blindcoder sneezes into #rocklinux 14:11 < blindcoder> sorry 14:15 < mnemoc> o_O 14:15 < mnemoc> moin saskatoon 14:17 < mnemoc> what's CRUSOE? (arch) 14:19 < esdentem> mnemoc: haw should I include them ... every packet as a single bug ... including the full error log? 14:19 < esdentem> I have no time and motivation to track down the bugs ... sorry 14:19 < esdentem> hi blindcoder! and mnemoc ... sbtw ;) 14:20 < mnemoc> i guess one by one 14:21 < mnemoc> whould be useful to not need to wait until i get the same error to start thinking in how to fix it :( 14:22 < mnemoc> i'm at 5-bdb42 of a minimal/p4 14:22 < mnemoc> error free 14:23 < blindcoder> I had 4 errors in a minimal/k6-2 14:25 < esdentem> hmm ... ok ... that are less errors ... 14:25 < esdentem> I have to rebuild ... I made a mistake configuring the build 14:25 < togg> whats is a tcp table??? 14:26 < esdentem> it should be ready till evening 14:26 < togg> i get [tcp table full] two times while building glibc 14:27 < esdentem> what does glibc has to do with tcp? the tcp table is the cache containing mappings of ip addresses to mac adresses ... iirc 14:27 < togg> tcb , sorry 14:27 < togg> tcb table :) 14:30 < mnemoc> blindcoder: do u know when rxr will get plugged? 14:31 < blindcoder> he is here sometimes, but I have no idea when he will be back "full-time" 14:32 < mnemoc> :( 14:33 < esdentem> ok build restarted 14:33 * esdentem -> learning 14:39 < Freak> rxr: can you tell me where to get the latest ben-patched kernel? 14:39 < mnemoc> Freak: he is not here 14:39 < Freak> but look, he's right over there? 14:40 < Freak> ah hold on he doesnt have net, right? 14:40 < Freak> duh! 14:40 < mnemoc> right 14:40 < Freak> anyone? 14:40 < mnemoc> for a couple of days 14:40 < mnemoc> ehm... /ignore that 14:41 < mnemoc> .oO( /me read anymore instead of anyone ) 14:41 < Freak> ah ic :) 14:49 < Freak> I didn't think you were replying, just telling me he would be gone for .. see above :) 14:50 < mnemoc> yes!! i did that... you are right :) 14:55 < Freak> heh 14:55 < Freak> see 14:55 < Freak> never give in on mistakes. 14:55 < Freak> :) 14:56 < blindcoder> Freak: he just left an echo in this part of the wired 15:08 < Lorini> hi Freak 15:08 < Freak> Lorini! 15:08 < blindcoder> moin lori 15:08 < Freak> blindcoder: I'm not sure wether I understand what you are saying :) 15:08 < Lorini> hi blindcoder 15:09 < blindcoder> Freak: you never saw serial experiments lain, i see 15:10 < Freak> you are talking weird to me :) 15:10 < blindcoder> it's okay, esden understands it :) 15:21 < blindcoder> the Wired is something like the Matrix 15:27 < mnemoc> i understood something like a nullmodem... but... 15:35 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@62-151-136-54.tp24.ya.com] has joined #rocklinux 15:38 < esdentem> everyone is connected to the wired ... after he/her realized that it is the real world ... and left the material hull behind himself ;) 15:40 < mnemoc> deep =) 15:54 < mnemoc> question: why iostat was added if we had sysstat? 15:55 < mnemoc> sounds like adding an 'ls' package in addition to coreutils' one 16:01 < blindcoder> possibly so that 'people have a choice' 16:01 < blindcoder> like having motif, openmotif and lesstif 16:05 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@62-151-136-54.tp24.ya.com] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 16:16 < mnemoc> blindcoder: to fix the share problem or (a) iostat must be O or (b) both iostat with $pkg prefix and symlink to choosen or (c) sysstat's iostat always prefixed 16:43 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-128.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:59 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD9522A77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:05 < mnemoc> aaaarg... make: Cross_CC_not_built_so_far_gcc: Command not found 17:08 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:08 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C203.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:15 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has joined #rocklinux 17:15 < MadTux> hello. 17:16 < blindcoder> moin moin 17:33 < MadTux> Blindy-sam :) 17:33 < blindcoder> Mad-chan :) 17:33 < MadTux> chan? 17:33 < MadTux> wtf is chan? 17:33 < blindcoder> :) 17:34 < MadTux> *g* 17:34 < blindcoder> cute, little... 17:34 * blindcoder runs 17:34 < MadTux> omg /me hides 17:34 < mnemoc> lol 17:34 < mnemoc> hi tinyTux 17:34 < MadTux> brb 17:35 < MadTux> hello mnemoca 17:37 < blindcoder> chan is usually used for children 17:45 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD9522A77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 17:53 < esdentem> hi all you tux-chan lovers ;) 17:55 < mnemoc> wb esdentem 17:56 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@62-151-136-54.tp24.ya.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:57 < blindcoder> re esdentem 17:58 < esdentem> it is pretty quiet here after all ... 17:58 < blindcoder> ih 17:58 < blindcoder> it is quiet everywhere 17:58 < blindcoder> I'm bored like hell 17:58 < blindcoder> for weeks now 17:59 < esdentem> humm ... do you want ds9 from season 1-7? 17:59 < esdentem> to kill your boredom? 17:59 < blindcoder> I want to _do_ something 17:59 < esdentem> okok ... sorry I suggested that 17:59 < blindcoder> If I'd want to just sit back watching something moving I'd watch anime 18:00 < esdentem> what about building something ... like soldiering or so ... 18:00 < blindcoder> that's also just sitting at home 18:00 < esdentem> hmm ... ok ... that is also no solution 18:01 < esdentem> what about going out with matze or so? ... he should be free at the evening after work ... 18:01 < blindcoder> he's either at work or sleeping 18:02 < blindcoder> and honestly... matze isn't really someone to go out with 18:02 < blindcoder> either he tells you how many women just want to fuck him 18:02 < blindcoder> or how great he is at work 18:02 < blindcoder> that's about it 18:02 < esdentem> hehe ... yes that is his favorit entertainment telling others how hansom and good he is 18:03 < mnemoc> O_o 18:03 < esdentem> mnemoc: do you have an idea for entertaining blindcoder? 18:03 < blindcoder> mnemoc: matze is a very... selfcentered and selfconfident guy 18:04 < blindcoder> I'd really like to go out somewhere but there just isn't anyone left whom I could go out with 18:04 < esdentem> but blindcoder you have to admit that it is nice to have him around from time to time ... I find it pretty amusing I have to say ... 18:04 < esdentem> but it shouldn't be to often though 18:04 < MadTux> esden greetings 18:04 < esdentem> hello MadTux-kun 18:06 < mnemoc> blindcoder: don't u want to fix i2c/matrox... that would take you some of your free time :-) 18:06 < esdentem> mnemoc: he wants to do something not sit around 18:06 < blindcoder> sure, I'm just sitting at my computer all day anyway 18:06 < blindcoder> at least that seems to be what everyone thinks of me 18:08 < esdentem> blindcoder: when you have noone to go out then you do it ... besides the fact when you are training at fitnessclub or dancing 18:08 < esdentem> or am I wrong? 18:08 < blindcoder> at the gym I'm alone 18:08 < mnemoc> :( 18:08 < blindcoder> and when I'm dancing the only one there is Melanie 18:08 < esdentem> blindcoder: talk to ... for axample ... gosia ... she is always willing to go out somewhere 18:08 < mnemoc> can't do do anything else with Melanie? 18:09 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@62-151-136-54.tp24.ya.com] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 18:09 < esdentem> mnemoc: very good question 18:09 < blindcoder> mnemoc: she's got a boyfriend 18:09 < mnemoc> so what? :) 18:09 < blindcoder> besides, she's in Austria at the moment 18:09 < mnemoc> that make i little more difficult 18:09 < esdentem> blindcoder: aaand? what is the problem ... you do not want to poke around in her ... only go out! 18:09 < blindcoder> and even for her to go to the dance-parties with me I have to beg her 18:10 < esdentem> blindcoder: that are women ... a kind of human that is very dificult to convince to have some fun 18:10 < blindcoder> esdentem: men have left and treat me similiar 18:11 < esdentem> blindcoder: you may visit me if you want ... 18:11 < blindcoder> and then? you have cut all strings with the people in Ingolstadt and are hiding in your universite 18:11 < blindcoder> university 18:11 < esdentem> you are always welcome ... to see my mess at home 18:11 < esdentem> I am at home at the moment 18:11 < blindcoder> maybe you like that kind of life 18:12 < esdentem> in munich 18:12 < esdentem> but at home 18:12 < blindcoder> I'm not someone who can live all by himself 18:12 < blindcoder> that's exactly what made me so depressed this last year 18:12 < MadTux> living alone rulez 18:12 < mnemoc> no, it sucks 18:12 < blindcoder> the only friends I have left are people I "meet" on the internet 18:12 < MadTux> not if u finally get peace 18:13 < mnemoc> peasce for what? 18:13 < esdentem> ohh ... I do not live all by myself ... there are people around me ... at least when I am at the university ... it is going on my nerves sometimes ... but I miss it on weekends when I am alone at home 18:13 < MadTux> so we are not important for u blindy? :( 18:13 < MadTux> mnemoc, long store, just believe me I'm finally happy 18:13 < blindcoder> esdentem: yes you have a place where you belong to, even if it's "just" university 18:13 < blindcoder> since some days before 20C3 I've been at home day by day 18:13 < mnemoc> MadTux: are you girl-less too? 18:14 < blindcoder> I have noone to meet at work, because I don't work 18:14 < mnemoc> blindcoder: what about your *new* work? 18:14 < blindcoder> I have noone to meet at a school, because I don't attend one anymore 18:14 < esdentem> blindcoder: what about your japanese? 18:14 < blindcoder> mnemoc: that one will only last about a week and a haly 18:14 < blindcoder> and includes work that could be done by a trained monkey 18:15 < blindcoder> the people I meet there are Users who just see an interference from work in the "Tech-Guy" that just entered the room 18:15 < esdentem> yes ... the hard life of a tech-guy 18:16 < mnemoc> what about netrunner... doesn't he lives near you? 18:16 < esdentem> mnemoc: he lives near me ... in munich 18:16 < blindcoder> you know, if I had died instead of Dieter, I doubt that there would have been more than 3 non-family people at the funeral 18:16 < esdentem> blindcoder: is 100 km away ... 18:16 < esdentem> sadly 18:16 < MadTux> mnemoc, no i have a gf she aint living with me 18:17 < esdentem> blindcoder: ohh ... you may be disappointed ... I can imagine maaany more people 18:17 < mnemoc> MadTux: i didn't say that 18:17 < blindcoder> ok, 4. I forgot 3027 18:17 < esdentem> MadTux: you wanted to get maried ... what happened? 18:18 * mnemoc to lunch.. bbl 18:18 < mnemoc> to lunch 35 km away... at home 18:19 < esdentem> blindcoder: I can imagine 5 18:19 < esdentem> that is not that much better 18:19 < mnemoc> .oO( i go to univ. everyday even considering it's two hours away from home ) 18:19 < mnemoc> .oO( 100 km is not that much ) 18:20 < esdentem> (util-linux, e2fsprogs failing for now ...) 18:20 < mnemoc> .oO( i should go or i'll be killed ) 18:20 < mnemoc> esdentem: they didn't failed here 18:20 < blindcoder> I won't kill anyone 18:20 < mnemoc> my wife will 18:20 < mnemoc> bye 18:20 < blindcoder> although I had the desire to kill myself recently again 18:21 < blindcoder> okay, bye mnemoc 18:21 < esdentem> cu mnemoc 18:21 < esdentem> but ... I have to say that you are wrong with the assumption that only 4 people would come ... 18:21 < esdentem> but let us not try this out ... 18:22 < esdentem> I get cold shivvers when I think about it 18:23 < blindcoder> heh 18:24 < blindcoder> I instead feel good 18:24 < esdentem> you are ridiculous ... only the idea ... brrr 18:24 < blindcoder> what's so ridiculous about it? 18:25 < blindcoder> when there's something you don't like, you try to change it 18:25 < esdentem> running away from the chellenge of the life 18:25 < blindcoder> I don't like my very existence 18:26 < blindcoder> most people only talk to me if they need something from me 18:26 < blindcoder> I'm sick of it all 18:26 < esdentem> sounds like a real chellenge then ... to fight the dislike then 18:26 < esdentem> blindcoder: sure ... I need ... let me thing ... man sorry ... I can not imagine what I need from you ... so I should stop talking ... ;) 18:27 < esdentem> you are talking strange stuff my friend 18:27 < blindcoder> I'm talking about what I experience every day 18:28 < blindcoder> when I'm at the danceparty or lessons at fischer 18:28 < esdentem> there has to be a reason for that don't you think? ... perhups you are thinking too much about that ... 18:28 < blindcoder> the only one from the group of people I know there who is greeting me is Manuel 18:28 < blindcoder> the rest just runs by 18:28 < blindcoder> but when melanie was sick 18:28 < blindcoder> suddenly everyone remembered my existance 18:29 < blindcoder> and the only question was: How is she? 18:29 < esdentem> ohh ... they were also not greeting me ... at first ... but after I talked some times to them they also talk to me ... 18:29 < blindcoder> since she's good again, it's just like before 18:30 < blindcoder> about what should I talk to them? They see a computer-maniac in me who can't talk about anything but computers! 18:30 < blindcoder> and when I sit down with them, the only one talking to me was mike and he immediately had only questions about linux on his mind 18:31 < blindcoder> when he and melanie had a party for their two birthdays together 18:31 < blindcoder> last year 18:31 < esdentem> hmm ... i do not know ... I have to admit that I never think about what I should talk to these people ... they are simple and boring ... but it is fun to see that such people exist and talk to them about everything and nothing 18:31 < blindcoder> guess who wasn't invited? 18:31 < blindcoder> when I talked to him about it 18:31 < esdentem> how are you ... what are you doing ... how are your studies ... 18:31 < esdentem> nothing indeep 18:31 < blindcoder> "Well, the house is so small, already so many people, blah" 18:31 < SMP> most people really aren't worth talking to or thinking about anyway, but that's just me ;-> 18:32 < blindcoder> It was the house where we two have been together 18:32 < esdentem> yes ... that is the normal talk ... what do you expect from them 18:32 < blindcoder> and there were less than 15 people from what I've heard 18:33 < esdentem> SMP: you are right ... but one has to experiance the uninteresting people to appreciate the interesting ones if you ask me 18:34 < esdentem> ohh ... you were still talking about the party ... I have not been invited to many party's ... but I have to admit that I do not remember that anymore ... there are better things to think about then that ... for me at least 18:34 < blindcoder> I've been invited to three parties the last 18 months 18:35 < blindcoder> two of them were matze's and zero's birtday parties 18:35 < esdentem> hmm ... I have been invited to hmm ... 4 or 5 party's or so ... and so what? 18:36 < esdentem> and all of them were from my nearest friends ... like you, matze, zero or uwe and daniel ... 18:37 < esdentem> and that I am not being invited to party's of melanie or anyone else is understandable ... and I do not expect that ... why do you? 18:37 < esdentem> that are people that I know ... not people that are my very near friends ... I do not expect anything from them 18:37 < esdentem> and also not from my friends 18:37 < blindcoder> I don't expect to be invited from people who don't care about me 18:37 * SMP stopped thinking about parties since I 'grew up' 18:38 < blindcoder> well, congratulations on that 18:38 < esdentem> SMP: congrats that you grew up ;) 18:39 < blindcoder> If I have to be a child to be allowed to want to get out of my house and have friends, so be it 18:39 < SMP> pah, I feel like a grumpy old man, I shouldn 18:39 < SMP> 't! 18:41 < esdentem> blindcoder: I do and give my best to the people I care about ... and do not expect anything from them ... if they give something in return I am happy about it ... but I do not expect that from them and do not try to build a list what they should do for me ... otherwise I would be for sure in your same situation 18:42 < blindcoder> esdentem: I at least expect them to actually gimme the feeling that I'm not someone with a highly infective and deadly disease! 18:42 < esdentem> if I would start now listing what my friends ... or people I think about as my friends done wrong or missed or whatever I would for sure jump down the balkony here ... but I really have better to do then telling the people around me what they have to do and say so I feel good 18:44 < netrunne1> re 18:44 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 18:44 * SMP literally falling asleep in the office chair 18:45 < esdentem> blindcoder: please get the call ... I am lazy typist 18:45 < esdentem> good night SMP 18:45 < blindcoder> call? 18:45 < esdentem> hmm ... arn't you at home? 18:45 < blindcoder> hmm... my phone's batteries are empty 18:45 < esdentem> ahh ok ... 18:46 < esdentem> then the cellphone ... *sigh* 18:46 * netrunner made 2 cakes 19:21 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-94.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:21 < holyolli> moin 19:23 * blindcoder has a cake recipe here he'd like to try 19:24 < netrunner> blindcoder: I took 2 from christiane herzog's cookbook. spicecake and another one 19:24 < holyolli> .oO(hmm. I should visit them...sounds tasty ;-) 19:26 < blindcoder> I want to do a "Mohrenkopftorte" 19:26 < blindcoder> sounds like 100% calories :) 19:26 < MadTux> alcoholli 19:27 < netrunner> blindcoder: I once made a raffaelotart, was nice ;) 19:27 < holyolli> MadTux 19:44 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA99FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:46 < tcr> moin all 19:47 < holyolli> hi tcr 20:17 < MadTux> lo tcr 20:17 < tcr> hey holyolli and MadTux 20:17 * tcr . o O (cool indiana jones on sat1) 20:19 < tcr> MadTux, re: orkut invitation: I don't see any purpose in orkut, so don't expect me to use it another time 20:20 < tcr> just want to inform you, so that you dont wonder that I'm not gonna acknowledge your invitation :) 20:23 < MadTux> ok thx tcr 20:25 < mnemoc> can i force gcc to say ld to use one specific crt1.o? 20:26 < mnemoc> (re all.... even orkut-less-tcr) 20:37 < esdentem> mnemoc: yes 20:41 < mnemoc> esdentem: how :-) 20:42 < esdentem> hmm ... I do not remember ... check the gcc manpage ... 20:42 < mnemoc> :( 20:43 < esdentem> I think you have to recompile gcc to acheve that 20:43 < esdentem> at least I had to 20:45 < mnemoc> :| 20:45 * esdentem checking 20:48 < esdentem> ok ... -dumpspecs shows you what is being passed to the ld 20:48 < esdentem> ok ... use -specs option to override the default spects 20:48 < mnemoc> i'll try :-) 20:49 < esdentem> the description how to write specs is to be found in gcc sources gcc/gcc.c 20:49 < esdentem> there you also find the default specs 20:50 < mnemoc> thanks a lot... this damn stage1/uclibc wont defeat me 20:50 < esdentem> hehe ... are you working on uclibc target? 20:50 < mnemoc> package ;) 20:51 < esdentem> aha ... ok 20:51 < mnemoc> without glibc of course 20:51 < esdentem> but they have a ready to use spec for uclibc 20:52 < esdentem> I had to determine that by myself for dietlibc 20:52 < mnemoc> :P 20:52 < esdentem> so feel lucky 20:52 < mnemoc> i am... their 'toolchain' has been *very* useful 20:53 < esdentem> I can imagine that 20:54 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a99.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:58 < mnemoc> is this thing safe? (glibc stage<=1) 20:58 < mnemoc> libcso=$root/usr/lib/libc.so 20:58 < mnemoc> sed 's,/[^ ]*/,,g' < $libcso > $libcso.new 21:07 < blindcoder> you will most definately end up with an empty file 21:07 < blindcoder> if that's what you want, then yes :) 21:08 < esdentem> no blindcoder the file will contain everything that is not a space 21:09 < mnemoc> whata bout the slashes? 21:09 < blindcoder> esdentem: meep wrong 21:10 < mnemoc> i can't figure out what is cliff doing with that 21:10 < blindcoder> it will remove every character that is NOT a space 21:10 < esdentem> blindcoder: yes ... sorry 21:10 < blindcoder> oh damn 21:10 < blindcoder> the slashes... 21:10 < blindcoder> hmm... 21:10 < esdentem> and between slashes 21:10 < esdentem> see every second part of a path 21:10 < mnemoc> that's damn weird in a binary file 21:11 < blindcoder> it will remove everything not a space between slashes 21:11 < blindcoder> so /mnt/work/bla/ROCK/build/meep/root/ will become something like //////// 21:11 < blindcoder> that's correct in a libc.so 21:11 < esdentem> blindcoder: no /mnt/wor/bla/rock -> worrock .. or am I missing something? 21:11 < blindcoder> it removes the path from the non-chroot-built libc so that it points to / 21:11 < mnemoc> binary code can include '/' char as a compiled form of something 21:12 < blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ echo "/mnt/crazyhorse/home/" | sed 's,/[^ ]*/,,g' 21:12 < mnemoc> not only constant strings 21:12 < blindcoder> 21:12 < tcr> libc.so isn't a binary file 21:12 < blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzf:~$ 21:13 -!- nookie [~nookie@M353P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:13 < mnemoc> # file libc-2.3.2.so 21:13 < mnemoc> libc-2.3.2.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped 21:14 < blindcoder> mnemoc: where is that line? 21:15 < mnemoc> blindcoder: package/base/glibc23/glibc23.conf 21:15 < mnemoc> for stages <=1 21:15 < tcr> mnemoc, file /usr/lib/libc.so 21:16 < mnemoc> tcr: you win 21:16 < blindcoder> I see 21:16 < tcr> :) 21:21 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-128.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:22 < togg> i have created a own rock target. how can i best define which packages to include default in this target? 21:23 < mnemoc> togg: it's config.in can run any kind of code to filter config/$config/packages 21:23 < togg> ok thank u mnemoc 21:23 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:24 < mnemoc> lines removes will be lost forever, lines starting with O or X can be modified later 21:29 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4FEA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:29 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F988.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 21:29 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 22:19 -!- togg_ [~togg@p3EE24E6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:20 < togg_> i added my needed packages to config.in of my target... in packaes.txt i see them, but none of their dependencies. is this correct? or do i have to list these also? 22:21 -!- togg [~togg@pD950C165.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:21 -!- togg_ is now known as togg 22:23 < blindcoder> you have to list them separately 22:25 < togg> even if dependencies are listed in the *.cache file ? 22:25 < togg> or is there a script to resolve this dependencies 22:25 < blindcoder> only for emerge-pkg 22:25 < blindcoder> not for targets 22:26 < blindcoder> target-maintainers are supposed to know what they are doing 22:26 < blindcoder> also, the .cache files list optional deps 22:26 < togg> ok :) 22:26 < blindcoder> like mplayer _cat_ depend on libmatroska 22:26 < blindcoder> s/cat/can/ 22:26 < togg> ok thanks for the info :) 22:27 < blindcoder> you're welcome ^_^ 22:29 < mnemoc> togg: just curious... what packages did u add? 22:31 < togg> i have a minimum target atm 22:31 < togg> i added rdesktop and dillo to it 22:31 < togg> i hoped it resolves the dependencies for me 22:31 < togg> i mean i hoped rocklinux resolves them for mie 22:32 < mnemoc> aa... new packages for the target but known pacakges :-) i though u were added new packages to rock 22:32 < togg> nono 22:34 < mnemoc> if you are using a template in your target make sure that target forces 'expert mode' 22:35 < togg> i do ;) 22:52 -!- cytrinox`- is now known as cytrinox 23:01 < mnemoc> *yawn* 23:07 * blindcoder --> bed 23:07 < blindcoder> good night 23:12 < mnemoc> gn8 blindcoder 23:33 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:40 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-128.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 23:40 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA99FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:42 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-128.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:46 < mnemoc> why can get flisted an already existent directory? 23:46 < mnemoc> !> usr/include: 00-dirtree uclibc 23:51 * A-Tui is away: cenando ... --- Log closed Sun Feb 08 00:00:29 2004