--- Log opened Sat Feb 07 00:00:15 2004
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00:05 < daja77> hi msw 
00:06 < msw> hi daja77 
00:06 < msw> does 2.0.0-rc4 still require devfs to build?
00:06 < daja77> phew
00:07 < daja77> had to dig commit mails for that
00:07 < daja77> trunk should work without
00:08 < msw> i.e. 2.1 development?
00:08 < daja77> no 
00:08 < daja77> 2.0dev
00:08 < msw> trunk of 2.0 ok
00:08 < daja77> yep
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00:16 < esdentem> what does the escape code : \033]0; ?
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00:23 * daja77 off to bed now
00:23 < daja77> cu
00:27 < mnemoc> cu daja77 
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00:28 < holyolli> moin
00:34 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 
00:36 < holyolli> hola mnemoc
00:36 < mnemoc> hola hola
00:37 < esdentem> ahhh weeeee I found a solution!
00:37 < esdentem> -norc that is it
00:37 < esdentem> that should be used in the debug.sh script
00:37 < esdentem> hi holyolli 
00:38 < holyolli> hi esden
01:02 < esdentem> ROFL I did it!!! I made it! I got bash to do a segfault! hehe
01:06 < mnemoc> o_O
01:06 < ringo> if I do "dd if=image of=/dev/fd0; dd if=/dev/fd0 of=temp; head temp `ls -l temp | awk '{print $5}'` > temp_ ; diff temp_ image" diff should not report any differences ?
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01:20 < esdentem> no it should not
01:20 < esdentem> erm ... it should
01:21 < esdentem> because head is writing 10 first lines of what you have in temp
01:21 < esdentem> and image may contain more
01:22 < esdentem> but what you wrote here is not really making sense
01:22 < esdentem> to me at least
01:31 < ringo> esdentem: sri meant cmp iso diff, dd did not write last 248 bytes ... so I trailed it with some junk data now the complete root flop is being written
01:35 < ringo> now its working like a charm 
01:35 * holyolli is going to bed now..cya
01:35 < esdentem> good
01:35 < esdentem> cu holyolli 
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01:43 < ringo> Is it normal that dd does not write the full file just the mod 512 part ? 
02:03 < SMP> no
02:04 < ringo> SMP: thx under fbsd it does in some weird manner I have to tail some junk at the end ..
02:07 < SMP> the manpage clearly documents other behaviour
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02:48 < ringo> hmm forgot my root password :)
02:57 < mnemoc> ehm...
02:59 < ringo> I did not use it for a year.. Had to rescue and blanc shadow
02:59 < ringo> Still costs 20 min ... :(
03:02 < mnemoc> could be worse :)
03:03 < ringo> lucklely I have physical access to the machine 
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04:09 < mnemoc> gn8
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04:24 < jsaw> re
04:25 < ringo> re
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05:18 < sten> how long do you think the update to kde 3.2 will take?
05:22 < SMP> till it's updated or till it works?
05:30 < sten> till it's checked into the stable tree
05:30 < sten> (2.0, I guess.  I'm not sure if the rc's are considered stable)
05:31 < SMP> rcs are as stable as it gets
05:31 < sten> will I see kde 3.2 within the month?
05:33 < SMP> I guess it will go into trunk soon after Rene is mostly done with his move. not sure how soon that will be, but I guess it will be within the month pretty sure.
05:33 < SMP> you can always play with the kde32 branch ...
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06:09 < sten> SMP: ok.  thanks.
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09:28 < blindcoder> moin
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10:53 < blindcoder> gotta go to a apothcary
10:53 < blindcoder> bbl
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11:23 < togg> hello evrybody
11:24 < togg> i cant compile rock-2.0.0-rc2 on my athlon64
11:24 < togg> (target = x86)
11:24 < togg> anybody here who knows a working configuration to compile?
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11:43 < blindcoder> re
11:43 < blindcoder> togg: update to svn HEAD
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12:04 < togg> this was my error: 
12:04 < togg> == 11:28:51 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-rc2].
12:04 < togg> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
12:04 < togg> -> Preparing build in src.glibc23.1076149730.9353.1292829984
12:04 < togg> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-glibc23.out
12:04 < togg> !> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
12:04 < togg> !> {standard input}:73: FATAL: Can't write /mnt/work/rock-s ..
12:04 < togg> !> make[2]: *** [/mnt/work/rock-src-2.0.0-rc2-togg/src.glib ..
12:04 < togg> !> make[2]: Leaving directory `/mnt/work/rock-src-2.0.0-rc2 ..
12:04 < togg> !> make[1]: *** [resolv/others] Error 2
12:04 < togg> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/work/rock-src-2.0.0-rc2 ..
12:04 < togg> !> make: *** [all] Error 2
12:04 < togg> scripts/Build-Target: command substitution: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
12:04 < togg> scripts/Build-Target: command substitution: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
12:04 < togg> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-glibc23.out -> 1-glibc23.err
12:04 < togg> == 02/07/04 11:46:04 =[1]=> Aborted building package glibc23.
12:08 < blindcoder> first: pleae post these things to a query
12:09 < blindcoder> second: post the relevant part from  the .err file, not the mangled output on your terminal
12:09 < blindcoder> third: before you post, use the most recent version and try again
12:11 < togg> i do :)
12:11 < blindcoder> -rc2 is _not_ recent
12:12 < togg> ill try
12:13 < blindcoder> btw
12:13 < blindcoder> {standard input}:73: FATAL: Can't write /mnt/work/rock-s
12:13 < blindcoder> what is the _rest_ of that line?
12:13 < blindcoder> the _relevant_ error message?
12:18 < darix> hi all :)
12:18 < darix> hi togg
12:18 < darix> togg: scripts fixed =)
12:19 < togg> hi darix
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13:22 < togg> so i have now tried rock-svn... it builds till dietlibc (stage1) now. (i did not activated dietlibc in config)
13:23 < togg> please have a look at my error log and tell me suggestions: http://monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de/~darix/1-dietlibc.err.txt 
13:24 < mnemoc> dietlibc has two modes, 'build' and 'build and use'
13:24 < mnemoc> if you don't want to build it you have to remove it from pacakges list using pkgsel
13:26 < mnemoc> btw, if you are having problems in your build you sould want to enable 'XTRACE' con config to get more complete log files
13:27 < togg> ok ill trie
13:29 < mnemoc> about your error, it failed because of pic-x86_64/dyn_syscalls.o was missing, and the previous log don't show it's build, then i guess there is a bug on the makefile or something like that
13:30 < togg> mnemoc: how can i remove a package? remove it from config/packages.txt or from target/pkgsel.sed ???
13:31 < mnemoc> enable pkgsel on config and add '- dietlibc'
13:31 < mnemoc> config/packages.txt it's generated
13:34 < togg> so i build
13:38 < cytrinox`-> moin
13:38 < togg> hi
13:38 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox`- 
13:57 < esdentem> ahh very well ... minimal+xfree build finished:
13:57 < esdentem> 253 builds total, 239 completed fine, 14 with errors.
13:57 < esdentem> among them lilo, util-linux, e2fsprogs, syslogd
13:57 < esdentem> that are very severe packages ...
14:02 < mnemoc> esdentem: hi
14:03 < mnemoc> can you add them to $bugtrack (whatever it's called)
14:03 < mnemoc> bugtrack=flyspray
14:07 < blindcoder> moin esden
14:07 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder 
14:08 < blindcoder> hi mnemoc 
14:10 < saskatoon> moin
14:11 * blindcoder sneezes into #rocklinux 
14:11 < blindcoder> sorry
14:15 < mnemoc> o_O
14:15 < mnemoc> moin saskatoon 
14:17 < mnemoc> what's CRUSOE? (arch)
14:19 < esdentem> mnemoc: haw should I include them ... every packet as a single bug ... including the full error log?
14:19 < esdentem> I have no time and motivation to track down the bugs ... sorry
14:19 < esdentem> hi blindcoder! and mnemoc ... sbtw ;)
14:20 < mnemoc> i guess one by one
14:21 < mnemoc> whould be useful to not need to wait until i get the same error to start thinking in how to fix it :(
14:22 < mnemoc> i'm at 5-bdb42 of a minimal/p4
14:22 < mnemoc> error free
14:23 < blindcoder> I had 4 errors in a minimal/k6-2
14:25 < esdentem> hmm ... ok ... that are less errors ... 
14:25 < esdentem> I have to rebuild ... I made a mistake configuring the build
14:25 < togg> whats is a tcp table???
14:26 < esdentem> it should be ready till evening
14:26 < togg> i get [tcp table full] two times while building glibc
14:27 < esdentem> what does glibc has to do with tcp? the tcp table is the cache containing mappings of ip addresses to mac adresses ... iirc
14:27 < togg> tcb , sorry
14:27 < togg> tcb table :)
14:30 < mnemoc> blindcoder: do u know when rxr will get plugged?
14:31 < blindcoder> he is here sometimes, but I have no idea when he will be back "full-time"
14:32 < mnemoc> :(
14:33 < esdentem> ok build restarted
14:33 * esdentem -> learning
14:39 < Freak> rxr: can you tell me where to get the latest ben-patched kernel?
14:39 < mnemoc> Freak: he is not here
14:39 < Freak> but look, he's right over there?
14:40 < Freak> ah hold on he doesnt have net, right?
14:40 < Freak> duh!
14:40 < mnemoc> right
14:40 < Freak> anyone?
14:40 < mnemoc> for a couple of days
14:40 < mnemoc> ehm... /ignore that
14:41 < mnemoc> .oO( /me read anymore instead of anyone )
14:41 < Freak> ah ic :)
14:49 < Freak> I didn't think you were replying, just telling me he would be gone for .. see above :)
14:50 < mnemoc> yes!! i did that... you are right :)
14:55 < Freak> heh
14:55 < Freak> see
14:55 < Freak> never give in on mistakes.
14:55 < Freak> :)
14:56 < blindcoder> Freak: he just left an echo in this part of the wired
15:08 < Lorini> hi Freak
15:08 < Freak> Lorini!
15:08 < blindcoder> moin lori
15:08 < Freak> blindcoder: I'm not sure wether I understand what you are saying :)
15:08 < Lorini> hi blindcoder
15:09 < blindcoder> Freak: you never saw serial experiments lain, i see
15:10 < Freak> you are talking weird to me :)
15:10 < blindcoder> it's okay, esden understands it :)
15:21 < blindcoder>  the Wired is something like the Matrix
15:27 < mnemoc> i understood something like a nullmodem... but...
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15:38 < esdentem> everyone is connected to the wired ... after he/her realized that it is the real world ... and left the material hull behind himself ;)
15:40 < mnemoc> deep =)
15:54 < mnemoc> question: why iostat was added if we had sysstat?
15:55 < mnemoc> sounds like adding an 'ls' package in addition to coreutils' one
16:01 < blindcoder> possibly so that 'people have a choice'
16:01 < blindcoder> like having motif, openmotif and lesstif
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16:16 < mnemoc> blindcoder: to fix the share problem or (a) iostat must be O or (b) both iostat with $pkg prefix and symlink to choosen or (c) sysstat's iostat always prefixed
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17:05 < mnemoc> aaaarg... make: Cross_CC_not_built_so_far_gcc: Command not found
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17:15 < MadTux> hello.
17:16 < blindcoder> moin moin
17:33 < MadTux> Blindy-sam :)
17:33 < blindcoder> Mad-chan :)
17:33 < MadTux> chan?
17:33 < MadTux> wtf is chan?
17:33 < blindcoder> :)
17:34 < MadTux> *g*
17:34 < blindcoder> cute, little...
17:34 * blindcoder runs
17:34 < MadTux> omg /me hides
17:34 < mnemoc> lol
17:34 < mnemoc> hi tinyTux
17:34 < MadTux> brb
17:35 < MadTux> hello mnemoca
17:37 < blindcoder> chan is usually used for children
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17:53 < esdentem> hi all you tux-chan lovers ;)
17:55 < mnemoc> wb esdentem 
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17:57 < blindcoder> re esdentem 
17:58 < esdentem> it is pretty quiet here after all ...
17:58 < blindcoder> ih
17:58 < blindcoder> it is quiet everywhere
17:58 < blindcoder> I'm bored like hell
17:58 < blindcoder> for weeks now
17:59 < esdentem> humm ... do you want ds9 from season 1-7?
17:59 < esdentem> to kill your boredom?
17:59 < blindcoder> I want to _do_ something
17:59 < esdentem> okok ... sorry I suggested that
17:59 < blindcoder> If I'd want to just sit back watching something moving I'd watch anime
18:00 < esdentem> what about building something ... like soldiering or so ...
18:00 < blindcoder> that's also just sitting at home
18:00 < esdentem> hmm ... ok ... that is also no solution
18:01 < esdentem> what about going out with matze or so? ... he should be free at the evening after work ...
18:01 < blindcoder> he's either at work or sleeping
18:02 < blindcoder> and honestly... matze isn't really someone to go out with
18:02 < blindcoder> either he tells you how many women just want to fuck him
18:02 < blindcoder> or how great he is at work
18:02 < blindcoder> that's about it
18:02 < esdentem> hehe ... yes that is his favorit entertainment telling others how hansom and good he is
18:03 < mnemoc> O_o
18:03 < esdentem> mnemoc: do you have an idea for entertaining blindcoder?
18:03 < blindcoder> mnemoc: matze is a very... selfcentered and selfconfident guy
18:04 < blindcoder> I'd really like to go out somewhere but there just isn't anyone left whom I could go out with
18:04 < esdentem> but blindcoder you have to admit that it is nice to have him around from time to time ... I find it pretty amusing I have to say ...
18:04 < esdentem> but it shouldn't be to often though
18:04 < MadTux> esden greetings
18:04 < esdentem> hello MadTux-kun
18:06 < mnemoc> blindcoder: don't u want to fix i2c/matrox... that would take you some of your free time :-)
18:06 < esdentem> mnemoc: he wants to do something not sit around
18:06 < blindcoder> sure, I'm just sitting at my computer all day anyway
18:06 < blindcoder> at least that seems to be what everyone thinks of me
18:08 < esdentem> blindcoder: when you have noone to go out then you do it ... besides the fact when you are training at fitnessclub or dancing
18:08 < esdentem> or am I wrong?
18:08 < blindcoder> at the gym I'm alone
18:08 < mnemoc> :(
18:08 < blindcoder> and when I'm dancing the only one there is Melanie
18:08 < esdentem> blindcoder: talk to ... for axample ... gosia ... she is always willing to go out somewhere
18:08 < mnemoc> can't do do anything else with Melanie?
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18:09 < esdentem> mnemoc: very good question
18:09 < blindcoder> mnemoc: she's got a boyfriend
18:09 < mnemoc> so what? :)
18:09 < blindcoder> besides, she's in Austria at the moment
18:09 < mnemoc> that make i little more difficult
18:09 < esdentem> blindcoder: aaand? what is the problem ... you do not want to poke around in her ... only go out!
18:09 < blindcoder> and even for her to go to the dance-parties with me I have to beg her
18:10 < esdentem> blindcoder: that are women ... a kind of human that is very dificult to convince to have some fun
18:10 < blindcoder> esdentem: men have left and treat me similiar
18:11 < esdentem> blindcoder: you may visit me if you want ...
18:11 < blindcoder> and then? you have cut all strings with the people in Ingolstadt and are hiding in your universite
18:11 < blindcoder> university
18:11 < esdentem> you are always welcome ... to see my mess at home
18:11 < esdentem> I am at home at the moment
18:11 < blindcoder> maybe you like that kind of life
18:12 < esdentem> in munich
18:12 < esdentem> but at home
18:12 < blindcoder> I'm not someone who can live all by himself
18:12 < blindcoder> that's exactly what made me so depressed this last year
18:12 < MadTux> living alone rulez
18:12 < mnemoc> no, it sucks 
18:12 < blindcoder> the only friends I have left are people I "meet" on the internet
18:12 < MadTux> not if u finally get peace
18:13 < mnemoc> peasce for what?
18:13 < esdentem> ohh ... I do not live all by myself ... there are people around me ... at least when I am at the university ... it is going on my nerves sometimes ... but I miss it on weekends when I am alone at home
18:13 < MadTux> so we are not important for u blindy? :(
18:13 < MadTux> mnemoc, long store, just believe me I'm finally happy
18:13 < blindcoder> esdentem: yes you have a place where you belong to, even if it's "just" university
18:13 < blindcoder> since some days before 20C3 I've been at home day by day
18:13 < mnemoc> MadTux: are you girl-less too?
18:14 < blindcoder> I have noone to meet at work, because I don't work
18:14 < mnemoc> blindcoder: what about your *new* work?
18:14 < blindcoder> I have noone to meet at a school, because I don't attend one anymore
18:14 < esdentem> blindcoder: what about your japanese?
18:14 < blindcoder> mnemoc: that one will only last about a week and a haly
18:14 < blindcoder> and includes work that could be done by a trained monkey
18:15 < blindcoder> the people I meet there are Users who just see an interference from work in the "Tech-Guy" that just entered the room
18:15 < esdentem> yes ... the hard life of a tech-guy
18:16 < mnemoc> what about netrunner... doesn't he lives near you?
18:16 < esdentem> mnemoc: he lives near me ... in munich
18:16 < blindcoder> you know, if I had died instead of Dieter, I doubt that there would have been more than 3 non-family people at the funeral
18:16 < esdentem> blindcoder: is 100 km away ...
18:16 < esdentem> sadly
18:16 < MadTux> mnemoc, no i have a gf she aint living with me
18:17 < esdentem> blindcoder: ohh ... you may be disappointed ... I can imagine maaany more people
18:17 < mnemoc> MadTux: i didn't say that
18:17 < blindcoder> ok, 4. I forgot 3027
18:17 < esdentem> MadTux: you wanted to get maried ... what happened?
18:18 * mnemoc to lunch.. bbl
18:18 < mnemoc> to lunch 35 km away... at home
18:19 < esdentem> blindcoder: I can imagine 5
18:19 < esdentem> that is not that much better
18:19 < mnemoc> .oO( i go to univ. everyday even considering it's two hours away from home )
18:19 < mnemoc> .oO( 100 km is not that much )
18:20 < esdentem> (util-linux, e2fsprogs failing for now ...)
18:20 < mnemoc> .oO( i should go or i'll be killed )
18:20 < mnemoc> esdentem: they didn't failed here
18:20 < blindcoder> I won't kill anyone
18:20 < mnemoc> my wife will
18:20 < mnemoc> bye
18:20 < blindcoder> although I had the desire to kill myself recently again
18:21 < blindcoder> okay, bye mnemoc 
18:21 < esdentem> cu mnemoc 
18:21 < esdentem> but ... I have to say that you are wrong with the assumption that only 4 people would come ...
18:21 < esdentem> but let us not try this out ...
18:22 < esdentem> I get cold shivvers when I think about it
18:23 < blindcoder> heh
18:24 < blindcoder> I instead feel good
18:24 < esdentem> you are ridiculous ... only the idea ... brrr
18:24 < blindcoder> what's so ridiculous about it?
18:25 < blindcoder> when there's something you don't like, you try to change it
18:25 < esdentem> running away from the chellenge of the life
18:25 < blindcoder> I don't like my very existence
18:26 < blindcoder> most people only talk to me if they need something from me
18:26 < blindcoder> I'm sick of it all
18:26 < esdentem> sounds like a real chellenge then ... to fight the dislike then
18:26 < esdentem> blindcoder: sure ... I need ... let me thing ... man sorry ... I can not imagine what I need from you ... so I should stop talking ... ;)
18:27 < esdentem> you are talking strange stuff my friend
18:27 < blindcoder> I'm talking about what I experience every day
18:28 < blindcoder> when I'm at the danceparty or lessons at fischer
18:28 < esdentem> there has to be a reason for that don't you think? ... perhups you are thinking too much about that ... 
18:28 < blindcoder> the only one from the group of people I know there who is greeting me is Manuel
18:28 < blindcoder> the rest just runs by
18:28 < blindcoder> but when melanie was sick
18:28 < blindcoder> suddenly everyone remembered my existance
18:29 < blindcoder> and the only question was: How is she?
18:29 < esdentem> ohh ... they were also not greeting me ... at first ... but after I talked some times to them they also talk to me ... 
18:29 < blindcoder> since she's good again, it's just like before
18:30 < blindcoder> about what should I talk to them? They see a computer-maniac in me who can't talk about anything but computers!
18:30 < blindcoder> and when I sit down with them, the only one talking to me was mike and he immediately had only questions about linux on his mind
18:31 < blindcoder> when he and melanie had a party for their two birthdays together
18:31 < blindcoder> last year
18:31 < esdentem> hmm ... i do not know ... I have to admit that I never think about what I should talk to these people ... they are simple and boring ... but it is fun to see that such people exist and talk to them about everything and nothing
18:31 < blindcoder> guess who wasn't invited?
18:31 < blindcoder> when I talked to him about it
18:31 < esdentem> how are you ... what are you doing ... how are your studies ...
18:31 < esdentem> nothing indeep
18:31 < blindcoder> "Well, the house is so small, already so many people, blah"
18:31 < SMP> most people really aren't worth talking to or thinking about anyway, but that's just me ;->
18:32 < blindcoder> It was the house where we two have been together
18:32 < esdentem> yes ... that is the normal talk ... what do you expect from them
18:32 < blindcoder> and there were less than 15 people from what I've heard
18:33 < esdentem> SMP: you are right ... but one has to experiance the uninteresting people to appreciate the interesting ones if you ask me
18:34 < esdentem> ohh ... you were still talking about the party ... I have not been invited to many party's ... but I have to admit that I do not remember that anymore ... there are better things to think about then that ... for me at least
18:34 < blindcoder> I've been invited to three parties the last 18 months
18:35 < blindcoder> two of them were matze's and zero's birtday parties
18:35 < esdentem> hmm ... I have been invited to hmm ... 4 or 5 party's or so ... and so what?
18:36 < esdentem> and all of them were from my nearest friends ... like you, matze, zero or uwe and daniel ...
18:37 < esdentem> and that I am not being invited to party's of melanie or anyone else is understandable ... and I do not expect that ... why do you?
18:37 < esdentem> that are people that I know ... not people that are my very near friends ... I do not expect anything from them
18:37 < esdentem> and also not from my friends
18:37 < blindcoder> I don't expect to be invited from people who don't care about me
18:37 * SMP stopped thinking about parties since I 'grew up'
18:38 < blindcoder> well, congratulations on that
18:38 < esdentem> SMP: congrats that you grew up ;)
18:39 < blindcoder> If I have to be a child to be allowed to want to get out of my house and have friends, so be it
18:39 < SMP> pah, I feel like a grumpy old man, I shouldn
18:39 < SMP> 't!
18:41 < esdentem> blindcoder: I do and give my best to the people I care about ... and do not expect anything from them ... if they give something in return I am happy about it ... but I do not expect that from them and do not try to build a list what they should do for me ... otherwise I would be for sure in your same situation
18:42 < blindcoder> esdentem: I at least expect them to actually gimme the feeling that I'm not someone with a highly infective and deadly disease!
18:42 < esdentem> if I would start now listing what my friends ... or people I think about as my friends done wrong or missed or whatever I would for sure jump down the balkony here ... but I really have better to do then telling the people around me what they have to do and say so I feel good
18:44 < netrunne1> re
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18:44 * SMP literally falling asleep in the office chair
18:45 < esdentem> blindcoder: please get the call ... I am lazy typist
18:45 < esdentem> good night SMP 
18:45 < blindcoder> call?
18:45 < esdentem> hmm ... arn't you at home?
18:45 < blindcoder> hmm... my phone's batteries are empty
18:45 < esdentem> ahh ok ... 
18:46 < esdentem> then the cellphone ... *sigh*
18:46 * netrunner made 2 cakes
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19:21 < holyolli> moin
19:23 * blindcoder has a cake recipe here he'd like to try
19:24 < netrunner> blindcoder: I took 2 from christiane herzog's cookbook. spicecake and another one
19:24 < holyolli> .oO(hmm. I should visit them...sounds tasty ;-)
19:26 < blindcoder> I want to do a "Mohrenkopftorte"
19:26 < blindcoder> sounds like 100% calories :)
19:26 < MadTux> alcoholli
19:27 < netrunner> blindcoder: I once made a raffaelotart, was nice ;)
19:27 < holyolli> MadTux
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19:46 < tcr> moin all
19:47 < holyolli> hi tcr
20:17 < MadTux> lo tcr
20:17 < tcr> hey holyolli and MadTux
20:17 * tcr . o O (cool indiana jones on sat1)
20:19 < tcr> MadTux, re: orkut invitation: I don't see any purpose in orkut, so don't expect me to use it another time
20:20 < tcr> just want to inform you, so that you dont wonder that I'm not gonna acknowledge your invitation :)
20:23 < MadTux> ok thx tcr
20:25 < mnemoc> can i force gcc to say ld to use one specific crt1.o?
20:26 < mnemoc> (re all.... even orkut-less-tcr)
20:37 < esdentem> mnemoc: yes
20:41 < mnemoc> esdentem: how :-)
20:42 < esdentem> hmm ... I do not remember ... check the gcc manpage ...
20:42 < mnemoc> :(
20:43 < esdentem> I think you have to recompile gcc to acheve that
20:43 < esdentem> at least I had to
20:45 < mnemoc> :|
20:45 * esdentem checking
20:48 < esdentem> ok ... -dumpspecs shows you what is being passed to the ld
20:48 < esdentem> ok ... use -specs option to override the default spects
20:48 < mnemoc> i'll try :-)
20:49 < esdentem> the description how to write specs is to be found in gcc sources gcc/gcc.c
20:49 < esdentem> there you also find the default specs
20:50 < mnemoc> thanks a lot... this damn stage1/uclibc wont defeat me
20:50 < esdentem> hehe ... are you working on uclibc target?
20:50 < mnemoc> package ;)
20:51 < esdentem> aha ... ok
20:51 < mnemoc> without glibc of course
20:51 < esdentem> but they have a ready to use spec for uclibc
20:52 < esdentem> I had to determine that by myself for dietlibc
20:52 < mnemoc> :P
20:52 < esdentem> so feel lucky
20:52 < mnemoc> i am... their 'toolchain' has been *very* useful
20:53 < esdentem> I can imagine that
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20:58 < mnemoc> is this thing safe? (glibc stage<=1)
20:58 < mnemoc> libcso=$root/usr/lib/libc.so
20:58 < mnemoc> 		sed 's,/[^ ]*/,,g' < $libcso > $libcso.new
21:07 < blindcoder> you will most definately end up with an empty file
21:07 < blindcoder> if that's what you want, then yes :)
21:08 < esdentem> no blindcoder the file will contain everything that is not a space
21:09 < mnemoc> whata bout the slashes?
21:09 < blindcoder> esdentem: meep wrong
21:10 < mnemoc> i can't figure out what is cliff doing with that
21:10 < blindcoder> it will remove every character that is NOT a space
21:10 < esdentem> blindcoder: yes ... sorry
21:10 < blindcoder> oh damn
21:10 < blindcoder> the slashes...
21:10 < blindcoder> hmm...
21:10 < esdentem> and between slashes
21:10 < esdentem> see every second part of a path
21:10 < mnemoc> that's damn weird in a binary file
21:11 < blindcoder> it will remove everything not a space between slashes
21:11 < blindcoder> so /mnt/work/bla/ROCK/build/meep/root/ will become something like ////////
21:11 < blindcoder> that's correct in a libc.so
21:11 < esdentem> blindcoder: no /mnt/wor/bla/rock -> worrock .. or am I missing something?
21:11 < blindcoder> it removes the path from the non-chroot-built libc so that it points to /
21:11 < mnemoc> binary code can include '/' char as a compiled form of something
21:12 < blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ echo "/mnt/crazyhorse/home/" | sed 's,/[^ ]*/,,g'
21:12 < mnemoc> not only constant strings
21:12 < blindcoder>  
21:12 < tcr> libc.so isn't a binary file
21:12 < blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzf:~$ 
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21:13 < mnemoc> # file libc-2.3.2.so
21:13 < mnemoc> libc-2.3.2.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
21:14 < blindcoder> mnemoc: where is that line?
21:15 < mnemoc> blindcoder: package/base/glibc23/glibc23.conf
21:15 < mnemoc> for stages <=1
21:15 < tcr> mnemoc, file /usr/lib/libc.so
21:16 < mnemoc> tcr: you win
21:16 < blindcoder> I see
21:16 < tcr> :)
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21:22 < togg> i have created a own rock target. how can i best define which packages to include default in this target? 
21:23 < mnemoc> togg: it's config.in can run any kind of code to filter config/$config/packages
21:23 < togg> ok thank u mnemoc
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21:24 < mnemoc> lines removes will be lost forever, lines starting with O or X can be modified later
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22:20 < togg_> i added my needed packages to config.in of my target... in packaes.txt i see them, but none of their dependencies. is this correct? or do i have to list these also?
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22:23 < blindcoder> you have to list them separately
22:25 < togg> even if dependencies are listed in the *.cache file ?
22:25 < togg> or is there a script to resolve this dependencies
22:25 < blindcoder> only for emerge-pkg
22:25 < blindcoder> not for targets
22:26 < blindcoder> target-maintainers are supposed to know what they are doing
22:26 < blindcoder> also, the .cache files list optional deps
22:26 < togg> ok :)
22:26 < blindcoder> like mplayer _cat_ depend on libmatroska
22:26 < blindcoder> s/cat/can/
22:26 < togg> ok thanks for the info :)
22:27 < blindcoder> you're welcome ^_^
22:29 < mnemoc> togg: just curious... what packages did u add?
22:31 < togg> i have a minimum target atm 
22:31 < togg> i added rdesktop and dillo to it
22:31 < togg> i hoped it resolves the dependencies for me
22:31 < togg> i mean i hoped rocklinux resolves them for mie
22:32 < mnemoc> aa... new packages for the target but known pacakges :-) i though u were added new packages to rock
22:32 < togg> nono
22:34 < mnemoc> if you are using a template in your target make sure that target forces 'expert mode'
22:35 < togg> i do ;)
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23:01 < mnemoc> *yawn*
23:07 * blindcoder --> bed
23:07 < blindcoder> good night
23:12 < mnemoc> gn8 blindcoder 
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23:46 < mnemoc> why can get flisted an already existent directory?
23:46 < mnemoc> !> usr/include: 00-dirtree uclibc
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