--- Log opened Wed Feb 11 00:00:12 2004
00:08 < daja77> mnemoc: is this a completely new forum
00:09 < daja77> i mean even freebsd sucks is empty
00:09 < daja77> ah seems so, 18 registered users
00:12 < mnemoc> daja77: free your tongue
00:12 < mnemoc> fingers*
00:12 < daja77> rofl @ gentoo sucks
00:14 < mnemoc> "I wonder, why it doesn't remove glibc.  
00:15 < daja77> hehe
00:15 < mnemoc> "I wonder, why it doesn't remove glibc.  
00:15 < mnemoc> err
00:16 < mnemoc> "But gentoo is very young distro, and I hope, it won't suck in 3-4 years"
00:16 < daja77> sco sucks ...
00:17 < mnemoc> lol
00:18 < daja77> You know, I'm just not feeling the love from RedHat. It's not that it sucks. . . it's just not good
00:18 < daja77> ^^
00:19 < mnemoc> =)
00:20 * Aard <- hungry
00:24 < fake> Aard: eat!
00:25 < daja77> ack
00:27 < daja77> n8 you all
00:28 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
00:28 < mnemoc> happy knoppix tomorrow
00:28 < Aard> fake: I would have to walk 3 meters to get somethitg to eat
00:28 < daja77> :p
00:29 < fake> Aard: omfg.
00:29 < Aard> fake: ?
00:29 < fake> Aard: i can understand the psychologic disaster you are in.
00:33 < Aard> I think I,ll go to bed. its not as far as my fridge
00:34 < mnemoc> walking?
00:36 < Aard> mnemoc: I can roll 20cm in my chair and then fall into the bed
00:37 < mnemoc> as almost any geek room
00:38 * mnemoc wonders why
00:40 < Aard> mnemoc: http://bwachter.lart.info/public/pictures/nr/
00:43 < mnemoc> Aard: he needs a bigger screen
00:44 < Aard> mnemoc: no
00:45 < Aard> why would I?
00:47 < mnemoc> =)
00:47 < mnemoc> 17"?
00:47 < Aard> I need a KVM-switch with more ports
00:47 < Aard> 19"
00:48 < mnemoc> looks tiny there :)
00:48 < mnemoc> 19" is ok
00:49 < Aard> thats what I did last weekeni. last friday my bed was wher emy hardware is now.
00:51 < Aard> strange. there is a box with caldera openlinux on my shelf
01:13 < fake> Aard: do you have a license?
01:14 < Aard> fake: I don't know if sco thinks that I,m still allowed to use that. It's a box I got directly from caldera
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02:07 * fake is puzzled ...
02:07 < fake> why does modules/*/kernel/drivers/{scsi,net}/*.{ko,o} expand to modules/*/kernel/drivers/{scsi,net}/*.o ?
02:07 < fake> this sucks
02:08 < mnemoc> uhm?
02:13 < fake> it's stange.
02:13 < fake> it's in the build_stage1.sh of the bootdisk target
02:13 < fake> i try to make it 2.6-kernel-capable
02:13 < mnemoc> modules/*/kernel/drivers/{scsi,net}/*.{ko,o} is perfectly ok
02:13 < fake> so i must look for .o as well as  .ko
02:13 < fake> no
02:14 < fake> if there is no .o file, it expands to modules/*/kernel/drivers/scsi/*.o
02:15 < mnemoc> modules/*/kernel/drivers/scsi/*.ko modules/*/kernel/drivers/scsi/*.o modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/*.ko modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/*.o
02:16 < mnemoc> echo it :)
02:16 < mnemoc> well, expantions thta not match get the wildcats
02:17 < mnemoc> that why inside for x in * there is a if [ -f $x ]
02:17 < fake> then i'll simply add that
02:19 < fake> ah, a reply from orkut
02:22 < mnemoc> do they answer mails???
02:22 < mnemoc> i have three female-by-mistake friends who haven't
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02:25 < fake> mnemoc: it's not really an answer...
02:26 < mnemoc> 'we got your mail and we are thinking about, wait a second message soon'
02:26 < fake> they ask for my real name - like they need anything besides my account name...
02:26 < fake> ha, bootdisk is now 2.6 compatible ;)
02:27 < mnemoc> if [ -f $x ] ?
02:27 < fake> jep.
02:28 < fake> and a comment on the use of this line ;)
02:28 * fake test-booting
02:31 < fake> gawk: /bin/hwscan:324: internal error 
02:32 * mnemoc kicks gwak
02:34 < fake> hm
02:35 < fake> the rock config for 2.6 kernels lacks built-in ide-cdrom support... *narf*
02:35 < fake> and the 2nd_stage loader doens't know about.ko files
02:36 < mnemoc> i think bootdisk kernel config shall be different than default kernel config
02:36 < fake> mnemoc: aargh! you broke my patch monopoly! ;)
02:36 < mnemoc> =)
02:36 < fake> ack
02:36 < mnemoc> i did it :P
02:37 < mnemoc> you give me the ip addrs :)
02:37 < fake> ;)
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02:42 < mnemoc> fake: considering you are playing kernel-config don't you like the idea of splitting it?
02:43 < fake> it _should_ already be splitted. kernel config is target-specific
02:43 < mnemoc> yes but default is what bootdisk needs
02:44 < fake> default?? 
02:44 < fake> thaht would mean only symbios scsi support, and e100 ethernet ;)
02:45 < mnemoc> arch specific core-config
02:45 < mnemoc> and support to what can be found in *any* machine
02:46 < mnemoc> mm... any tipical machine :)
02:46 < mnemoc> kiss
02:46 < mnemoc> - SCSI for example
02:47 < fake> thaht's exactlry how it is now.. ?
02:47 < fake> isn't it?
02:47 < fake> i 'm afraid i don't get what you mean :(
02:47 < mnemoc> it's quite fat
02:48 < mnemoc> well, defconfig is fat and i think we must clean it a bit
02:48 < mnemoc> but.... future, don't worry
02:48 < fake> *nod* ;)
02:49 < mnemoc> =)
02:54 * fake implementing kernel version detection in linuxrc
02:56 < mnemoc>  want to see that patch ;)
02:58 < mnemoc> s/^\(.*\)/i \1/
02:58 < mnemoc> uhm.... what a nasty expression
03:01 < fake> simply insert 'i ' in front of any line?
03:02 < fake> for i in `cat file` ; do echo "i $i" ; done
03:03 < mnemoc> o_O
03:07 < tfing> mnemoc: cat file | sed 'ii'
03:07 < tfing> err... not
03:09 < mnemoc> if i '<mnemoc> ii' nobody will understand i want to insert an 'i' at the begining of my last quote
03:09 < mnemoc> well.... s/^\(.*\)/i \1/ is not much clearer :(
03:10 < tfing> s/^/i/ should be sufficient
03:11 < tfing> s/^/i / in fact
03:11 < tfing> depends on how you qualify clear
03:11 < mnemoc> that's what i wanted =)
03:14 < fake> hm...
03:15 < fake> should i use the uname system call or read from /proc ?
03:16 < fake> uname upside is support for several unices...
03:16 < fake> but it eats a bit more memory
03:16 < fake> because it also fetches version, etc
03:16 < mnemoc> call uname will be cheaper (bytes of linuxrc)
03:17 < fake> i see the upside at the multi-os-capability
03:17 < fake> we can re-use that ;ater ;)
03:18 < mnemoc> laaaaaater
03:19 < fake> not that much later.
03:19 < fake> laaater.
03:20 < mnemoc> the half :)
03:23 < fake> it sucks to add the extraversion to release
03:23 < fake> *sigh*
03:23 < fake> i think that is something i can do during school tom... later today
03:25 < mnemoc> uhm?
03:25 < mnemoc> -rock or -foo?
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04:11 < fake> root@jana:/rock/rock# ./test
04:11 < fake> Module Loader: insmod, Module Suffix: .ko
04:11 < fake> fine.
04:13 < fake> and on freebsd:
04:13 < fake> fake@justice$ ./test
04:13 < fake> Module Loader: kldload, Module Suffix: .ko
04:16 < mnemoc> bsd?
04:32 < fake> fine.
04:33 < fake> yeah. just to proove it works ;)
04:37 * fake going to bed
04:37 < fake> i have to go to school at 6:45 :(
04:38 < fake> linuxrc still not finished - need to add directory walking
04:39 < fake> but you'll see tomorrow - the linux version detection is pretty smart *g*
04:39 < fake> n8~!
04:41 < mnemoc> i need to read that patch :P
04:41 < mnemoc> n8 fake 
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07:47 < Baldzius> moin
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08:02 < sten> does Rock have the separation between base-system and user-software that FreeBSD does?
08:05 < jsaw_> sten: yes
08:06 < jsaw_> sten: there are two main categories, "base" and "extra".
08:22 < sten> does base remain constant, except for security patches?
08:23 < jsaw_> not really. but why should it?
08:24 < sten> BSD philosophy... if it's not broken, don't fix it
08:25 < jsaw_> if doesn't brake anything else, update it...
08:25 < sten> it's ok if it updates between x.1's though
08:25 < sten> jsaw_: good point ;-)
08:25 < sten> yeah, that's ok too
08:26 < sten> hey, I think Debian does what I'm thinking of with it's "stable" branch...  (Debian stable is too old for linux 2.6 though)
08:27 < sten> for example:
08:27 < sten> err
08:27 < sten> "Will the Rocklinux 2.0_base tree remain unchanged, except for security patches?"
08:27 < sten> (while 2.1_base is where the new stuff will occure)
08:28 < jsaw_> I'm pretty sure, updates will be more restrictive after 2.0 has been released (of course the new dev tree 2.1 is sth. different)
08:29 < sten> cool ;-)
08:29 < sten> I can't wait for 2.0, btw
08:29 < sten> do you think it'll be out within the month?
08:30 < jsaw_> nope. I guess we will need another release candidate. But we are definitely not far away. Some developers however have to sort their real life currently... so we have some delays...
08:32 < sten> what needs to be worked on?  (that isn't on the flyspray bug-reporting page)
08:34 < sten> "package a needs package b.x, but if package b.x is installed then package c breaks, but package b.y works for package c, breaking a" type stuff?
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08:35 < jsaw_> sten: wait a second, me one phone
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08:43 < jsaw_> sten: actually I do not have the overview. I'm working on rocknet, gnome, rockscan. Most of it is working. But actually everything needs testes, breakers :) and polishers.
08:43 < jsaw_> s/testes/testers/
08:44 < jsaw_> me -> crawling towards coffee machine, bias
08:46 < sten> ah, breakers...  I always seem to run into those
08:47 < sten> what is rockscan, by the way?  Is that a hotplug replacement?
08:49 < sten> or is that rockplug?
08:50 < jsaw_> ups, yes rockplug.
08:50 < sten> what does rockscan do?
08:50 < jsaw_> rockscan is part of rockplug. It does the cold plugging (= hardware scan on boot).
08:51 < sten> cool.  You're just the guy I need to talk to ;-)
08:51 * jsaw_ hides
08:52 < sten> I have a usb 802.11b NIC.  Currently I have a nice rc.wlan  init script for it, which I've integrated into Slackware's BSD-style init scripts.  No hotplugging
08:53 < sten> does rocknet, rockscan, and (rockwlan?) have a sufficient level of abstractation necessary to handle this?
08:53 < blindcoder> moin
08:54 < sten> (four years ago, I used, and loved Rock.  After a hardware failure, [unrelated to Rock] I decided to go on a distro-quest, and ended up using Slackware.  I've been waiting for Rock 2.0 as a reason to switch back)
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08:55 < jsaw_> sten: look into /etc/rockplug/config/usb.usermap (look for usbfs.perm) and the respective script in /etc/rockplug/scripts/
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08:55 < sten> jsaw_: ahh, I see how that works already  (I don't have the scripts in front of me, but I understand)
08:55 < blindcoder> yes, they can, although I handled my ndiswrapper for Centrino via an own script which was run at network up and network down
08:55 < jsaw_> hi blindcoder 
08:56 < blindcoder> hi jsaw_ 
08:56 < jsaw_> that's the next step, rocknet. I don't know how good it handles wlan yet.
08:56 < sten> does rockplug completely replace the userland hotplug?
08:56 < blindcoder> jsaw_: it handles it just great
08:56 * sten grins
08:57 < blindcoder> I'm using it for over two months now without any problems
08:57 < jsaw_> sten: yes
08:57 < blindcoder> well, the problems I had are fixed by now :)
08:59 < jsaw_> brb
09:03 < sten> hmm, rocklinux.[org,net] are both down
09:04 < blindcoder> yes >_<
09:04 < blindcoder> looks like the DNS entries are gone
09:07 < sten> weird
09:08 < sten> early today, I thought/hoped it was because Rock 2.0 was out ;-)
09:09 < blindcoder> the ns.nextra.at (DNS for rocklinux.net) returns NXDOMAN for www.rocklinux.net
09:10 < blindcoder> 213.225.54.156  rocklinux.org www.rocklinux.org www.rocklinux.net
09:10 < blindcoder> put this in /etc/hosts and it works
09:11 < sten> thanks
09:11 < blindcoder> np
09:13 < sten> that would still work if a site used a dns round-robin approach, right?  (one would then be connecting to a specific server/ip)
09:13 < blindcoder> well, if the DNS-Server doesn't have the DNS-Entries anymore, then that approach would faile nonetheless
09:14 < sten> because the ip entered was the DNS-server's ip, and not one of the www-servers?
09:14 < blindcoder> ehm... now I can't follow you anymore...
09:15 < blindcoder> the dns-servers for www.rocklinux.(net,org) don't have the dns-entries anymore
09:15 < blindcoder> but the machine is still up and running
09:15 < sten> I was earlier thinking about asking for the ip, to put in /etc/hosts, but
09:16 < blindcoder> that's what I gave you up there
09:16 < sten> was cought up in thinking about whether or not,
09:16 < sten> www.rocklinux.(net,org) was on a DNS round-robin, and if so, whether or not it would work
09:16 < sten> (just one of those times when one spaces off)
09:17 < sten> err, spaces out
09:17 < blindcoder> I don't think it was
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09:22 < sten> thanks.  You gave me the ip I was thinking about asking for, as I was thinking about possible network topology's which would make that self-same ip useless for me ;-)
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10:14 < sten> whoa, it looks like I'm definitely coming back to Rock.  From what I'm reading, and from my current experience getting KDE-3.2 working for Slackware, Rock elegantly addresses all of the faults I find in Slackware
10:26 < sten> reading the HACKING-HOWTO right now
10:27 < sten> (I always like to know how to build my own packages, because I often have to myself)
10:27 < blindcoder> there aqre two helper scripts for that
10:27 < blindcoder> misc/archive/newpackage.sh 
10:28 < blindcoder> and misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh for freshmeat-listed packages
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10:29 < sten> WOW!  That's the handiest change I've seen yet!  (I've been gone since the 1.4 days)
10:29 < blindcoder> *smile*
10:29 < blindcoder> hi YDS
10:32 < sten> is rxr maintaining kde?  I'd like to lend him a hand, if I can, to see if Rock-2.0-release will have KDE-3.2
10:32 < sten> *release can have KDE-3.2
10:34 < blindcoder>   yes he is
10:34 < blindcoder> but currently without internet connection
10:34 < sten> whoa
10:35 < sten> is he doing that for the purpose of "going out into the wilderness for spiritual enlightenment  (coding inspiration in this case)"
10:35 < sten> it doesn't really matter, I guess
10:35 < blindcoder> he moved
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10:36 < sten> ah.  So it'll probably be a bit before I can contact him to see what I can do to help
10:36 < blindcoder> he reads his mails every now and then, so you can easily mail him
10:37 < sten> ok.  Will do
10:37 < blindcoder> right now you could do a full build of the kde-3.2 branch and tell him if it works and fix non-workling things
10:37 < blindcoder> that'll help him the most I think
10:37 < Freak> duh. friday we had 17°C and now I wake up and everything's snowy-white!
10:37 * blindcoder jumping to next pc
10:38 < sten> Freak:  I know the feeling!  It's like that on the Canadian prairies too.
10:39 < Freak> haha :)
10:39 < Freak> so.. Karlsruhe is like the canadian prairies now.. weeee :))
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10:39 < sten> blindcoder: ok.  In that case, it looks like I'm going to put that extra partition to work.  Which cd's do I need for a base-system?
10:39 < daja77> moin Freak 
10:40 < Freak> hi da
10:40 < Freak> daja77
10:40 < Freak> (grmbl)
10:40 < daja77> :)
10:40 < sten> blindcoder: or is there a way to build a partial target?
10:41 < blindcoder> re
10:41 < sten> blindcoder: would you somehow mask the upper stages of the build process for that?
10:42 < blindcoder> sten: if you update your mktemp with the one from ROCK you should be perfectly fine
10:42 * clifford just paid his domain bill...
10:42 < blindcoder> buit if you want to install a system, I advise to general”, then expert options and then package template minimal
10:42 < blindcoder> hi clifford 
10:42 < blindcoder> clifford: so the rocklinux domains should soon be available again? *g*
10:43 < sten> that's why it was down ;-)
10:47 < sten> blindcoder: I'd like to test Rock chroot'ed, because it's important that I remain connected to my current comunications infrastructure.  (no time to migrate, and it's nice to change vt's, to check email via mutt, from a fully configured system)
10:47 < sten> blindcoder: are there any issues with this?
10:48 < sten> ...assuming I mount -bind /proc, and /dev
10:51 < blindcoder> shouldn't be a problem
10:51 < blindcoder> but you really should have devfs or devfsd
10:51 < sten> yup
10:53 < sten> and when I'm done, I'll migrate my working chroot'ed Rock installation to my primary system partition
10:53 < sten> (after 2.0-release, of course)
10:54 < blindcoder> heh
10:55 < sten> I like to run a well tested setup!
10:55 < sten> ;-)
10:56 < blindcoder> the generic setup can be considered well tested as well as the desktop one
10:56 < sten> exactly what I want to hear.
10:57 < sten> Does target=Desktop have a package template minimal?
10:58 < blindcoder> it has its own package list which is less than generic IIRC
10:59 < blindcoder> but the templates are generally available
10:59 < blindcoder> though a Desktop/minimal isn't tested thoroughly I think
11:01 < sten> well, now that I'm planning on testing chroot'ed Rock, I don't mind bug-hunting
11:02 < blindcoder> that's nice to hear ^_^
11:02 < sten> Desktop/minimal seems like it would be the most usefull to me.
11:02 < blindcoder> I'm currently working on the binary release of LVP so my answers are a bit laggy
11:03 < sten> LVP?
11:03 < blindcoder> http://lvp.crash-override.net/
11:03 < blindcoder> a livesystem for playing videos
11:06 < sten> It looks promising
11:06 < blindcoder> well, if it weren't for the looks >_<
11:06 < blindcoder> I'll try to get some LCARS design together as soon as my current job is done :)
11:07 * blindcoder walking to the next pc, brb
11:12 < rxr> re
11:12 < rxr> is there a problem with rocklinux.org and .net ?
11:14 < sten> "clifford just paid his domain bill"
11:19 < blindcoder> re
11:19 < daja77> 22:37 < fake> echo "213.225.54.156  rocklinux.net rocklinux.org clifford.at" >> /etc/hosts
11:19 < blindcoder> just what I did a year ago :)
11:19 < rxr> oO - I thought this would only happen to M$ ...
11:19 < blindcoder> moin rxr
11:19 < blindcoder> moin daja77 
11:20 < rxr> moin all
11:20 < daja77> moin blindy
11:20 < daja77> moin rxr
11:21 < blindcoder> rxr: how's your connection?
11:23 < rxr> oO - thousands of mails ...
11:23 < rxr> I'm just sitting at Susan's ROCK box ...
11:24 < blindcoder> ah ok
11:28 < blindcoder> narf, this telnet is totally screwed >_<
11:29 < sten> rxr: what can I do to help get KDE 3.2 ready for Rock 2.0?
11:30 < sten> What is this "Realtime" support I'm reading about in ./scripts/Config  (advanced)
11:30 < sten> is that the pre-emptive scheduler patch, or Linux-as a process on a microkernel?
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11:31 < blindcoder> neither one. IIRC mnemoc and daja77 know a bit about this
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11:40 < sten> what is the difference between ./scripts/Config, and ./scripts/Config --system.  The Handbook says: "So now we start configuring the target that will build the packages for the system"
11:40 < sten> why don't the values for ./scripts/Config become default for ./scripts/Config --system?  I don't understand the need for both
11:40 < sten> which is the base system
11:40 < blindcoder> --system? Maybe I should start reading the handbook :)
11:40 < sten> ?
11:41 < sten> :-)  the --system is new
11:41 < sten> to 2.0
11:41 < blindcoder> I never used the --system...
11:41 < sten> ok, I'll skip it then.  (I was reading the Handbook, because I'm out of date ala Rock 1.4)
11:50 < rxr> sten: I guess you meatn -cfg system ...
11:51 * blindcoder --> lunch
11:52 < rxr> sten: A quick grep in the handbook did not reveal any --system ;-)
11:53 < sten> rxr: I was reading the online version @ http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de
11:53 < sten> it's actually ./scripts/Config -cfg system
11:54 < sten> my typo..
11:54 < sten> I think it's a gnu --options style reflex
11:54 < netrunne1> sten: leaving the -cfg blubb away  is the same as -cfg default
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11:55 * daja77 'll finish his modified knoppix with isolinux bootloader soon after breakfast
11:55 < rxr> daja77: huh ??? What are you doing ?
11:56 < sten> rxr: why does ./scripts/Config system exist?
11:57 < sten> Config -cfg system
11:57 < rxr> do create different configs for different builds
11:58 < sten> so that one can use one rock-src tree for multiple targets?
11:58 < rxr> e.g. in the Handbook I explain that for an end-user CD you need the system build, the one the user installs later - and the boot-cd-code build for the actual bootable CD
11:58 < rxr> (the bootdisk stuff was ugly mangled around in ROCK 1.4 and 1.6 times - and is now a clean nice shining free-standing ROCK target)
11:58 < rxr> sten: yes
11:59 < rxr> and you can build the bootdisk code seperated and/or parallel to a "normal" build.
11:59 < rxr> the config name is you free choise - e.g. ./scripts/Confgi -cfg my-personal-firewall
12:00 < sten> ahh.  the buzz word for this would be "Build Profiling"
12:01 < sten> it's a good idea.  Out of curiousity, has gcc 3.x matured enough that it is safe to build an Athlon optimized base system?
12:03 < th> hi rxr, hi daja
12:04 < rxr> hi th
12:05 < rxr> sten: yes - gcc-3* are really good
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12:05 < rxr> sten: the only problem occurs with pentium iV ...
12:06 < netrunner> rxr: I have a p4 on rocklinux ... rc3 iirc
12:07 < netrunner> rxr: only some packages fail ... hi btw ;)
12:07 < rxr> with gcc-3.2.x some bits are miscomiled
12:07 < rxr> gcc-3.3.x should be fine ...
12:07 < sten> rxr: does the xeon have the same problems?  (I wish I had one...)
12:07 < rxr> it is a code-generatin problem of gcc-3.3 for pentium-iv optimisation
12:08 < rxr> and already fixed in recent gccs ...
12:08 < sten> cool
12:08 < sten> I instantly developed a conspiracy theory about Intel's crippling the P4  ;-)
12:09 < netrunner> athlon with intel compiler http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=a13e403a.0402091438.14018f5a%40posting.google.com
12:10 < netrunner> rxr: already started an apply-orgy? ;)
12:10 < rxr> nope
12:12 < sten> netrunner: wow, I just read that groups.google post.  Now if only gcc could legally come into possession of that optomization code, while preserving GPL...
12:13 < daja77> hi th
12:18 < netrunner> (german) *bruell* http://www-student.cs.uni-bonn.de/%7Ehillenko/geschwindigkeitsuebertretung.pdf
12:25 < daja77> read it yesterday
12:26 < netrunner> daja77: so why didn't you post it here? hmmmm? keeping things secret you are!
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12:34 < sten> well, I need to get some sleep.  Later
12:35 < daja77> forgot it ...
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12:36 < netrunner> daja77: np ;)
12:36 * netrunner considers skipping cbit in favour of linuxtag
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12:41 < netrunner> *g*
12:43 < netrunner> daja77: *pieks*
12:44 * netrunner experimenting on #rocklinux users
12:47 < netrunner> http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html
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12:48 < th> daja77: he is experimenting on you...
12:48 < th> netrunner: bastard
12:48 < th> (please redraw) ;>
12:49 < netrunner> th: it redraws every few seconds
12:49 < th> netrunner: i see
12:50 < th> netrunner: you should add the "aether" for unlinked communication
12:51 < netrunner> th: sorry, I do not understand
12:52 < th> netrunner: create another node called "aether". and connect each sentence to it when it does not contain another nick
12:52 < th> this shows how much people talk unaddressed
12:52 < netrunner> th: unlinked communication is simply not linked. lines fade away anyway.
12:55 < netrunner> http://kqe.de/pruell/632754.jpg
12:59 < clifford> netrunner: this is a test. ;-)
13:00 < clifford> daja77: cool!
13:00 < netrunner> hehehe, clifford on top of all :)
13:00 < netrunner> better than orkut :)
13:00 < th> clifford: first crossing?
13:00 < th> yea
13:00 < clifford> th: let's see who it lokks now..
13:00 < rxr> hi clifford 
13:00 < clifford> rxr: hi
13:01 < clifford> this is fun.  *g*
13:01 < th> there - a quite far-away rxr ;)
13:01 < th> let's draw something :)
13:01 -!- netrunner is now known as somebodyelse
13:01 < somebodyelse> th: buh!
13:01 -!- somebodyelse is now known as netrunner
13:01 < th> hehe
13:01 < netrunner> hihi
13:02 < th> somebodyelse: foo
13:02 < th> ouh
13:02 < netrunner> nobody: where are you?
13:03 < rxr> yeah hi fake and netrunner 
13:03 < th> it should support node-linkage..
13:03 < clifford> yo fake!
13:03 < netrunner> fake?
13:03 < th> what about fake?
13:03 < netrunner> hey, I am the center :)
13:04 < netrunner> th: brought to the network :)
13:04 < th> somebodyelse and daja77: foo!
13:05 < clifford> hm... my dns is still down..  8-(
13:05 < th> clifford: what do you mean by "my dns"?
13:05 < th> clifford: the caches you are using?
13:06 < th> clifford: or servers serving some domain for you?
13:06 < clifford> the .at servers stopped servinc clifford.at, and rocklinux.* are just cnames to clifford.at hosts.
13:06 < daja77> clifford: huh?
13:07 < th> clifford: perhaps you should change your registring provider?
13:07 < clifford> they prommised to me 3 hours ago that they will turn it on again asap..
13:07 < clifford> my reg provider is nic.at - all other austrian regristrats are just forwarding to nic.at.
13:08 < th> i see
13:08 < clifford> i've forgott to pay my bill - that's the problem.
13:08 < blindcoder> re
13:08 < th> clifford: so you should perhaps stop clifford.at being SPOF ;>
13:08 < netrunner> hi blindcoder *link*
13:09 < blindcoder> hi netrunner *unlink*
13:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: doesn't work :)
13:10 < blindcoder> damn
13:10 < rxr> clifford: what is this?!?:
13:10 < rxr> http://213.225.54.156/rocklinux.net/submaster
13:11 < clifford> it cant resolve it's own dns name.
13:11 < th> rxr: that's an 301 Moved Permanently to an unresolvable hostname
13:11 < netrunner> ui http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/3475611.stm
13:11 < clifford> th: yes.
13:12 < clifford> rxr: try adding a slash.
13:13 < clifford> netrunner: "she has closed the sale after receiving a ?8,400 bid on Sunday"  wow!
13:15 * netrunner starts taking pictures of himself ...
13:15 < th> netrunner: wanna sell your virginity too? ;)
13:16 < netrunner> th: you think they''ll notice ... ? ;)
13:16 < th> ;->
13:16 < daja77> 8400 for her?!
13:16 < th> daja77: i thought you get her virginity...
13:17 < daja77> what should i do with that
13:17 < th> resell
13:17 < th> become a reseller
13:17 < netrunner> th: hehe
13:17 < clifford> ;-)
13:17 < daja77> rofl
13:17 < netrunner> buy one, get one free 
13:17 < th> .oO(VAR)
13:17 < clifford> can I simply buy an option?
13:17 < daja77> damn shit
13:18 < clifford> I could senn it back as soon as she has a boyfriend and whats to have sex with him.. ;-)
13:18 < clifford> s/senn/sell/ ..that's a strange typo.
13:18 < th> could be a good investment
13:18 < daja77> this pic is horrible
13:18 < netrunner> daja77: at night all cats are grey
13:19 < th> .oO(but they still smell)
13:19 < daja77> lol
13:19 < netrunner> bah
13:19 < th> harr harr
13:19 * th <-- good mood.
13:19 * daja77 not
13:19 * netrunner hands daja77 a cookie
13:20 < daja77> thx
13:22 < mnemoc> moin
13:23 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
13:23 < mnemoc> hi dajappix
13:24 < daja77> mnemoc: osflamewars.org is not really used
13:24 < mnemoc> i know
13:24 < mnemoc> it's not really known
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13:25 < daja77> osflamewars.org sucks
13:25 < daja77> ^^
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13:26 < mnemoc> daja77: that's why i tell you that a wiki.rl.org can be good for an _objective_ 'what wrong with $foo'
13:26 < daja77> sigh
13:26 < mnemoc> may be 'pros and cons' is a better aproach :)
13:27 < mnemoc> it can give us 'googlemoney' :-) 
13:28 < daja77> gentoo sucks was ok for me ^^
13:28 < mnemoc> well... in gentoo case there is not much to say :\
13:36 < netrunner> moin mnemoc :)
13:36 < mnemoc> moin netrunner (drawing a new line)
13:37 < netrunner> :)
13:37 < mnemoc> how is your java today?
13:38 < netrunner> mnemoc: now running from my build server, serving the images on waterworld (above link)
13:40 < daja77> damn i should have read the knoppix kernel patch more closely
13:40 < mnemoc> until we talked it was an nice 'starship'
13:40 < daja77> rebuilding kernel ...
13:40 < daja77> so stop talking ^^
13:40 < mnemoc> uhm? while(1) fork() ?
13:41 < blindcoder> fork-bombs are boring
13:41 < daja77> nope knopper changed some kernel errs into warnings to get it working
13:41 < blindcoder> ehm
13:41 < daja77> yeah dirty hacks ...
13:42 < daja77> but it seems without them it doesn't work
13:42 < mnemoc> just 'dirty'?
13:42 < daja77> what else?
13:42 < mnemoc> trust abusive? discusting? ...
13:43 < blindcoder> just plain wrong?
13:43 < mnemoc> blindcoder: that sounds better :)
13:44 < daja77> that are just timeout errs which are turned into warnings, knoppix is so slow
13:44 < blindcoder> one could also say he's a <A>litigious bastard</A>
13:45 * blindcoder switching PC
13:46 < mnemoc> daja77: slow enough to need kernel patching?? ... it wasn't that slow last time i used it :(
13:46 < daja77> it is, when initializing hd
13:47 < daja77> http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/knoppix-kernel.patch
13:49 < mnemoc> HOSTCC  	= gcc-2.95
13:49 < mnemoc> err...
13:49 < mnemoc> why gcc2??
13:49 < daja77> id did not ported that part ...
13:49 < blindcoder> re
13:49 < th> bbl
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13:51 < mnemoc> daja77: well... ignoring CC part, it's not *that* ugly
13:52 < daja77> i know
13:54 < daja77> i get exactly that err in ide.c on two machines
13:55 < mnemoc> what about increasing the time limit?
13:55 < daja77> ^^
13:55 < daja77> dunno haven't tried
13:59 < mnemoc> oh! i havent noticed smp's studio-picture on orkut
14:06 < blindcoder> that's why I hate windows...
14:06 < blindcoder> "You have exceeded your quota" DAMMIT! I'M THE ADMIN *ARGH*
14:06 < mnemoc> hm? 
14:06 < mnemoc> LOL
14:08 < daja77> rotfl
14:11 < clifford> hmm.. rocklinux.* and clifford.at should be reachable again by 17:00. (just fyi)
14:11 < clifford> (MET ;-)
14:13 < blindcoder> good :)
14:13 < blindcoder> then everyone can bitch about my new patches :)
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14:26 < cytrinox> moin
14:27 < mnemoc> blindcoder: http://213.225.54.156/rocklinux.net/submaster
14:27 < mnemoc> submit them now :)
14:27 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox 
14:28 < mnemoc> err... it's down?! :(
14:29 < rolla> re
14:29 < netrunner> mnemoc: nope, just added a patch
14:31 * mnemoc kicks his isp
14:33 < mnemoc> netrunner: haven't you already sent a moz-1.6 patch?
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14:34 < netrunner> mnemoc: I wondered also, but my submaster rep had none, and I found none on the ml, so I considered I forgot.
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14:34 < netrunner> mnemoc: hm, now that you say it, that was the very first thing in my submaster history. I'll discard one.
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14:35 < mnemoc> http://213.225.54.156/rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004013017215104226
14:36 < mnemoc> discarded now :)
14:36 < netrunner> mnemoc: thx for voting for my first core-script change ;)
14:38 < mnemoc> the .err thing?
14:40 < blindcoder> mnemoc: the one I think will raise the most is already submitted :)
14:40 < mnemoc> Check-System?
14:40 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I have the IP address in my /etc/hosts for over a year now :)
14:40 < blindcoder> yes
14:41 < mnemoc> i have no problems with it :)
14:41 < blindcoder> :)
14:42 < blindcoder> I just talked with a potential user about rock and he said that he finds it rather distracting that ROCK only complains when building after one has download gigabytes of source
14:43 < netrunner> blindcoder: this can happen with any random package fault.
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14:45 * netrunner causing people talking randomly to each other on another channel :=
14:46 < netrunner> http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/blafasel-images.html
14:46 < netrunner> kids :)
14:49 < mnemoc> god!
14:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: sure, but normal people dont know any bette, use a generic with 1000+ packages and 5GB to download
14:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: no image...
14:50 < mnemoc> blindcoder: next 'distracting' thing is allowing fails on stage <= 2
14:50 < netrunner> blindcoder: there's always a race between image update and request, just hit reload
14:51 < mnemoc> blindcoder: didn't you wanted to change orkut's pic?
14:52 < netrunner> mnemoc: why?
14:52 < blindcoder> mnemoc: haven't got one yet
14:52 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... I don't know if this IE understands .png
14:53 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, no doesnt :)
14:53 < blindcoder> yes, does :)
14:53 < blindcoder> everyone loves Kvedulv, hm?
14:54 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i'm using IE5.5 here
14:54 < blindcoder> netrunner: you could run this in #rocklinux, too :)
14:55 < netrunner> blindcoder: what? you mean http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html ?
14:55 < mnemoc> lol =)
14:56 < blindcoder> yes
14:56 < blindcoder> WEE! A love triangle :)
14:56 < mnemoc> :P
14:56 < blindcoder> and noone loves rxr :)
14:56 < mnemoc> now you do
14:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: well, we can't leave himall by himself now, can we? :)
14:57 < mnemoc> poor rxr
14:57 < blindcoder> brb
14:57 * netrunner sends a cookie to rxr (and a line ;)
15:01 < blindcoder> re
15:02 < blindcoder> netrunner, the center of everything :)
15:02 * blindcoder pokes owl 
15:03 < blindcoder> muahaha
15:03 < blindcoder> I do not want to see that image-creation code
15:05 < blindcoder> netrunner: is esdentem anywhere in kick-range?
15:07 * blindcoder feels lonely
15:09 * mnemoc gives a cookie to blindcoder 
15:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: nope, /me at home
15:09 * blindcoder eating mnemoc's cookie and smiles :)
15:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: I see
15:10 * blindcoder draining netrunnner's pipe
15:11 < blindcoder> I wonder what would happen to the image if I just shouted everone's name once...
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15:12 < blindcoder> that would be a hell     of a mess
15:13 * blindcoder switching PCs
15:20 < blindcoder> re
15:22 < blindcoder> okay, when I'm home I'll be able to release the pre-compiled LVP :)
15:36 < rolla> anyone around?
15:37 < mnemoc> me
15:37 < netrunner> rolla: /me is also round.
15:42 < rolla> cool
15:42 < rolla> how is it going?
15:42 * rolla is compiling samba 3
15:43 < blindcoder> rolla: meep
15:44 < blindcoder> netrunner: can you give me the url again?
15:44 < mnemoc> http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html
15:44 < blindcoder> this stupid windows telnet doesn't allow page-up/down here
15:44 < mnemoc> blindcoder: google putty
15:44 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I may not install anything here
15:45 < rolla> you don't need to install
15:45 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I'm just the SAP install monkey
15:45 < rolla> it is a selfcontained binary
15:45 < mnemoc> blindcoder: copy&paste, share it from somewhere
15:45 < rolla> blindcoder: you work with SAP ?
15:45 < mnemoc> SAP?? ... /me will vomit :(
15:45 < blindcoder> rolla: no, I just install it
15:46 < rolla> the GUI?
15:46 < rolla> there is no work there 
15:46 < blindcoder> rolla: no, but it takes a lot of time
15:47 < rolla> ?
15:47 < rolla> how so 
15:47 < blindcoder> waiting for 300MB over network takes 30 mins
15:47 < rolla> oh over the network is death for that
15:47 < rolla> you just need a cd :)
15:47 < blindcoder> nah
15:48 < rolla> ? cd takes 15mintues
15:48 < blindcoder> I just do a monkey jump from pc to pc and start a batch-file (something like a shell script I was told) to install the SAPGUI
15:48 < netrunner> rolla: /me installs full systems over web @work, goes pretty fast :) (goooood line :)
15:48 < rolla> blindcoder: you do helpdesk stuff then?
15:48 < mnemoc> rolla: half time, half money :)
15:48 < rolla> ach so
15:48 < blindcoder> rolla: I do what has to be done
15:48 < blindcoder> usually I sit at home and do web-trainings
15:49 < mnemoc> blindcoder: you never used DOS?
15:49 < blindcoder> mnemoc: it's been a looooooong time :)
15:49 < blindcoder> I forced myself to forget
15:49 < mnemoc> ^^
15:50 < mnemoc> netrunner: our line is getting weaker
15:50 < blindcoder> netrunner: that blafasel image look... interesting
15:51 < blindcoder> mnemoc: you don't love him anymore :P
15:51 < mnemoc> blindcoder: you are the lover of both
15:51 < blindcoder> heh, I'm the bitch :P
15:52 < blindcoder> owl, esdentem, rolla, mnemoc, netrunner.... everyone loves me :D
15:53 < blindcoder> or at least, deserves me :)
15:53 < mnemoc> deserve the bitch? mmmm
15:54 < netrunner> anybody here knows if qsc needs a seperate pair of copper wires, or if they just split the highband of my pair used by telekom?
15:55 < blindcoder> netrunner: no idea
15:56 < blindcoder> mnemoc: you get what you deserve, everyone gets me so they deserve me :P
15:56 < blindcoder> but don't ask for the logic behind that
15:56 < mnemoc> =)
15:57 < blindcoder> os, I always love spams that tell me how to stop spam
16:00 * blindcoder going home
16:00 < blindcoder> baba
16:02 < netrunner> cu blindcoder 
16:07 < mnemoc> cu blindcoder 
16:54 < blindcoder> rehi
16:55 < blindcoder> wow, I'm gone and everyone's silent :)
16:55 * blindcoder feels important
16:59 < mnemoc> you are the heart of the party :)
17:08 < blindcoder> heh :)
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17:41 < rolla> damn samba3
17:42 < mnemoc> uhm?
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17:44 < clifford> shit: my dns is still down and the is noone at the nic.at office anymore..
17:45 < rolla> that sucks
17:45 < rolla> you need a secodary?
17:46 < clifford> no - they turned off my domain because the paiment bounced.
17:46 < clifford> and they have told me today thet they turned it already on again and it would be running again at 17:00 MET
17:47 < clifford> ..which is 45 hours ago.
17:48 < netrunner> oh, german "gymnasium" (not sport, more highschool) has just been shortened to 8 years.
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17:49 < mnemoc> what do u have after that 'gymnasium'?
17:49 < mnemoc> univ.?
17:50 < netrunner> mnemoc: we have 4 (or 5) years elementary school, and the good ones that want to go to univ later have to go to this "gymnasium" for 9 (now 8) years to do their "abitur"
17:51 < netrunner> mnemoc: or short: yes :)
17:51 < mnemoc> how old do u enter elementary? and 'abitur'?
17:54 < SMP> elementary starts at 6 y/o
17:54 < SMP> Abitur after 13 (in some regions 12) years
17:55 < mnemoc> our elementary is 8 years, since 7
17:56 < mnemoc> then a hi-school of 4, and at 18 you can enter university (5-7 years)
17:56 < netrunner> SMP: true, my report was for bavaria, other countries already had 8 years.
17:57 < mnemoc> nice to know that bavaria is a country :)
17:58 < SMP> I wish they were, and they can even take Freistaat Sachsen with them into independence
17:59 < mnemoc> SMP: are your from 'Freistaat Sachsen'?
17:59 < SMP> no!
17:59 < SMP> (it's Saxony in English)
18:00 < mnemoc> =)
18:00 * SMP is from Lower Saxony originally, now living in Saxony-Anhalt ;)
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18:03 < mnemoc> i'll have to take 'german culture and language I' one of these days
18:04 < SMP> mnemoc: it's very interesting to see how in a country as small as Germany there can be so many slightly different kinds of German people and even more dialects of German
18:05 < clifford> ok - dns is there egain. retry timeout is one hour...
18:06 * SMP waves to clifford
18:06 < rolla> clifford: I have my own DNS servers which I can help host domain for free if you wish?
18:06 < clifford> ther problem aren't my dns server - the problem is that at. stopped serving clifford.at.  ;-)
18:07 < rolla> ah 
18:07 < rolla> I see
18:07 < rolla> okay 
18:07 < SMP> just get rid of these stupid cnames ...
18:08 < mnemoc> cnames are only good for dyndns :-)
18:08 < clifford> SMP: I've spend the last two weeks trying to migrate rocklinux.* to my DNS server and abovenet as secondary DNS.
18:08 < mnemoc> two weeks?
18:08 < mnemoc> what happened?
18:08 < clifford> But all contacts do point to mail-adresses which do not exist anymore..
18:09 < mnemoc> uhm
18:09 < clifford> mnemoc: magnet, an isp i was used to work to in 1996-1998, registered those domains.
18:09 < SMP> do you need help? I think I know people at Nextra Austria
18:09 < clifford> the company has been sold 4 times since then.
18:10 < clifford> SMP: maybe - who do you know?
18:10 < clifford> s/who/whom/ ?
18:10 < clifford> hmm..
18:10 < clifford> wow! first spam in 20 hours...   ;-)
18:11 < mnemoc> prepare to be floooded
18:11 < SMP> hmm, no, these folks are from Eunet Austria
18:12 < SMP> only have contacts for Nextra Germany
18:12 < clifford> is nextra germany related to nextra austria, btw?
18:13 * clifford got out of touch since telenor sold nextra austria last year.
18:13 < SMP> I lost track of these things a while ago
18:15 < clifford> SMP: Do you have any expirience with D-Link switches? (DES-3250TG)
18:15 < SMP> nbope
18:15 < SMP> s,b,,
18:16 < clifford> with VLANs generally ?
18:16 < SMP> yes of course
18:16 < daja77> hi clifford & SMP 
18:17 * clifford is creating a HA network with those switches, linux bonding device and VLANs.
18:18 < netrunner> http://jotun.ultrazone.org/g7/
18:18 < clifford> it's kind of pervert to first bond two interfaces to one and then split it up into multiple VLAN interfaces...  ;-)
18:18 < clifford> hi daja77.
18:19 < SMP> clifford: no, it's not ;)
18:19 < clifford> well - here is my question:
18:21 < clifford> With that switch I can configure a port to not be part of an VLAN or beeing one in the "forbidden" state. I can't see any difference and it's not very well documented. Does that "forbidden" just mean that this port can't bee added using GVRP or has it a meaning for static VLAN setups I didn't see so far?
18:24 < SMP> I have no idea. this sounds very specific to D-Link
18:24 < clifford> ah. ok.
18:25 < daja77> are their switches better than their cards?
18:25 < clifford> is GVRP worth having a look at it, btw?
18:25 < clifford> daja77: Imo the switch is pretty good. 
18:26 < clifford> It's just ver funny that they managed to create such a web interface on the one hand, but didn't have the resources to implement a good terminal emulation for their cli on the other hand..
18:26 < SMP> clifford: uhm. you don't want to be running GARP or even STP if you are serious about HA
18:28 < clifford> ok. that's what I thought already, and created a full static setup without even looking into GVRP (STP doesn't make sense in that setup anyways).
18:31 < clifford> SMP: do you have an OpenBSD handy ?
18:32 < SMP> yes
18:32 < clifford> http://213.225.54.156/clifford/cfun/gccfeat/  .. 1st program.
18:32 < clifford> IMO it should segfault on systems with non-executeable stack.
18:32 < clifford> could you test that for me?
18:33 < SMP> I'm on it
18:34 < clifford> thanks.
18:35 < SMP> wrath# echo a | ./gccfeat01
18:35 < SMP> Memory fault (core dumped)
18:36 < clifford> gdb on the coredump tells you that the instruction pointer is on the stack?
18:38 < SMP> how would I see that?
18:38 < clifford> gdb gccfeat01 core
18:39 < SMP> you mean the top-most stack-frame?
18:39 < SMP> #0  0x1c0005cf in bar (callback=0xcfbf26a8) at gccfeat01.c:6
18:39 < SMP> 6               callback(getc(stdin));
18:39 < clifford> info reg 
18:39 < SMP> eh
18:39 < SMP> eip            0x1c0005cf       0x1c0005cf
18:39 < clifford> and esp ?
18:39 < SMP> esp            0xcfbf2644       0xcfbf2644
18:39 < SMP> hm, so not quite
18:40 < clifford> yes - but that seams to be the last legal eip
18:40 < clifford> as we can seen, callback is on the stack
18:40 < clifford> an he is trying to exec that function pointer.
18:41 < clifford> cool, seams like openbsd programs are not using nested function which do access their surrund functions stack frame (like in my example).
18:42 < SMP> yes, because this is a sick way ;)
18:42 < clifford> .. isn't nice programing style anyways.  ;-)
18:42 < SMP> I wonder why gcc makes it go over the stack
18:43 < SMP> (gdb) print foo
18:43 < SMP> $1 = {void (int)} 0x1c0005d8 <foo>
18:43 < SMP> ... after all
18:43 < clifford> because foobar could call itself recusively.
18:44 < clifford> so there are multiple instances of foo which would modify the stack frames of multiple instances of foobar.  ;-)
18:44 < clifford> what gcc does is simple: it creates assembler code for foo and whenever foobar is called, this assembler code is copied on the stack and some addresses are corrected.
18:45 < clifford> look at the output of "gcc -S" for that program.
18:46 < clifford> also "nice" (in a very bizarr way ;-) is the use of goto labels as void pointers in my example program.
18:49 < clifford> this gcc features will provide me with absolute job security! *evilgrin*
18:53 < clifford> SMP: still there?
18:53 < SMP> yep
18:53 < SMP> trying to grok tha asm
18:53 < SMP> that
18:54 < SMP> damn lag
18:54 < clifford> u c why this needs to put executeable code on the stack?
18:55 < SMP> I see why, but not where ;)
18:56 < clifford> *g*
18:57 < clifford> hmm... /query? otherwise I would flood the channel with asm code..  ;-)
18:57 < SMP> sure, query
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20:15 < mnemoc> if a .o redifines a symbol of libc, what extra should i give to gcc to make ld happy?
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20:29 < mnemoc> i don't know what else to ask to google to find the answer :(
20:30 < lesshaste> does rocklinux compile with icc?
20:33 < mnemoc> good queston :)
20:35 < lesshaste> and the answer is ... :) ?
20:37 < tfing> maybe :)
20:37 < lesshaste> is it an "aspiration" of rocklinux?  :)
20:37 < mnemoc> i guess to, but i don't have icc to test
20:37 < lesshaste> mnemoc, it is an easy download away :)
20:38 < mnemoc> yeah, try it and tell us :)
20:39 < lesshaste> mnemoc, I am looking for a distro that is at least attempting to be icc compatible. It would be rather painful to try them all :)
20:40 < mnemoc> lesshaste: considering who is the mantainer i'm almost sure it will
20:40 < lesshaste> mnemoc, cool. Who is the maintainer by the way ?
20:40 < mnemoc> will build fine
20:40 < mnemoc> clifford
20:41 < lesshaste> mnemoc, clifford? Is that the maintainer?!
20:41 < mnemoc> lesshaste: it's not a download away it's a registration form away 
20:41 < mnemoc> he is the maintainer of icc package on rock
20:41 < lesshaste> oh.. It's also my name :)
20:42 < mnemoc> =)
20:43 < mnemoc> aaarg... a survey... i will not download icc after that offense :|
20:43 < lesshaste> mnemoc, do you need to register to get the non-commercial variant? Maybe I just filled in rubbish I can't remember :)
20:43 < mnemoc> 30-days survey -> agreement -> register -> download
20:44 < lesshaste> mnemoc, oh. I must just have filled in some random data.  
20:44 < mnemoc> that's for sure :)
20:47 < lesshaste> http://www.intel.com/software/products/compilers/clin/noncom.htm
20:47 < lesshaste> is that where you went?
20:48 < mnemoc> yep
20:48 < mnemoc> then i run away screaming
20:48 < lesshaste> you don't even have to fill in a box!
20:48 < lesshaste> Just click "continue to download"
20:49 < lesshaste> the only thing where you have to type something is the last page "registration"
20:49 < lesshaste> I'm sure you can make up a name and email address. They don't have to work or anything like that
20:50 < mnemoc> it's against my principles
20:50 < lesshaste> ok
20:51 < mnemoc> but... i'm also curious about icc
20:54 < mnemoc> "You will receive an email with instructions on completing the installation blah blah blah"
20:56 < daja77> yep intel spams you from that moment on
20:56 < daja77> <- getting mail since downloading their FORTRAN compiler
20:58 < mnemoc> :'(
20:59 < daja77> ^^
21:00 < mnemoc> this s.th is too much for me.... where is my damn login????!!
21:02 < daja77> your login?
21:02 < mnemoc> here is the link :)
21:04 < mnemoc> mmm... mine is .tar.gz and .conf think it's rpm
21:04 < daja77> mine.rpm?
21:05 < mnemoc> icc
21:06 < daja77> ah k.
21:06 < daja77> think you don't want it?
21:06 < mnemoc> i'll get the spam use it or not
21:07 < rolla> yawn
21:07 < daja77> hehe
21:07 < mnemoc> then, i'll test a minimal against it
21:07 < daja77> hi rolla 
21:07 < mnemoc> hi rolla 
21:08 < rolla> hallo all
21:12 < mnemoc> lesshaste, will you leave me here with the spam and go?
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21:17 < owl> moin
21:17 < mnemoc> moin owl 
21:18 < owl> hi mnemoc 
21:18 < mnemoc> daja77: inside the tar.gz there are .rpms :(
21:18 < owl> bwaeh. where?
21:18 < daja77> waah!!!1
21:20 < mnemoc> daja77: rpm2cpio is on rpm or on cpio?
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21:21 < daja77> dunno
21:22 < mnemoc> the idea of installing rpm here makes me quite sick
21:23 < daja77> there must be non rpm packages
21:24 < mnemoc> seems not
21:24 < daja77> they are sick
21:24 < mnemoc> clifford is using rpm on his .conf
21:25 < daja77> what's the benefit of .tar.gz with rpms i don't get it
21:25 < mnemoc> make ppl trust they are distribution in a good format
21:26 < mnemoc> Mutt update - remote exploitable vulnerability??? today is not a good day
21:26 * mnemoc feels like using console mode outlook
21:26 < daja77> yeah got that from rh-security too
21:26 < daja77> hehe
21:28 < daja77> *GNARF* that damn rc2 isos again
21:28 < mnemoc> delete them :|
21:29 < daja77> and let ppl play with rc1?
21:30 < mnemoc> uhm
21:30 < daja77> the beta6 were great ^^
21:30 < mnemoc> no rc4 isos?
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21:30 < daja77> maybe in incoming
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21:30 < mnemoc> wb blindcoder
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21:33 < mnemoc> if a .o redifines a symbol of libc, what extra should i give to gcc to make ld happy?
21:36 < mnemoc> .oO( why nobody wants to answer?? don't even google )
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21:50 < MadTux> greetings
21:50 < mnemoc> greetings MadTux 
21:51 < MadTux> mnemoc, :)
21:51 < nookie> MadTux!
21:51 < nookie> MadTux!
21:51 < nookie> MadTux!
21:51 < MadTux> while [ 1 = 1 ]; then
21:51 < MadTux> echo nookie
21:51 < MadTux> done;
21:51 < MadTux> *G*
21:52 < nookie> heh
21:52 < daja77> hi MadTux 
21:52 < MadTux> hi daja77
21:55 < nookie> daja77: Hi Daniel
21:55 < daja77> hrhr
21:55 < daja77> hi nookie 
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22:05 < MadTux> re
22:06 < daja77> wb pingoutTux
22:06 < MadTux> daja77: how are things?
22:06 < daja77> better thx
22:07 < MadTux> excellent to hear
22:10 < daja77> :)
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22:21 < owl> hi MadTux !!!
22:22 < MadTux> OWLITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:22 < mnemoc> :)
22:23 * MadTux gives a BIG bear hug to owl
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22:26 < MadTux> hello Nebukadneza`` 
22:27 < mnemoc> poor owl
22:28 * MadTux gives a HUGE bear hug to mnemoc too so he is not bothering
22:28 < owl> hehe
22:28 * mnemoc can't breeeeeath
22:29 < MadTux> Good
22:29 < MadTux> owl: help me 
22:32 < owl> hmm. ?
22:32 < mnemoc> she wont hurt me :)
22:32 < daja77> owl: kick his lazy butt
22:33 < rolla> re owl
22:33 < MadTux> mnemoc: get real she can use daja77's pink sword and hurt you
22:33 < MadTux> hello rolla 
22:33 < mnemoc> daja77's?
22:33 < daja77> we all know it belongs to MadTux 
22:34 < MadTux> sure i stole it from you.. but it was so damn ugly and weak that i returned it to its creator
22:35 < daja77> you love ugly things
22:37 < owl> <-- off again
22:37 < owl> bye
22:37 < MadTux> well i love ROCK, selinux and elks... is it my fault that i like weird stuff?
22:37 < daja77> yes of course :p
22:42 < MadTux> grrr
22:42 < MadTux> so anyways i'm off
22:42 < MadTux> gn8 all.
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22:48 < mnemoc> ehm... http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html now i am the horn
22:49 < tfing> nice
22:51 < daja77> hi tfing 
22:52 < tfing> hi daja77 
22:54 < mnemoc> 'wellcome tfing to the graph :)
22:54 < mnemoc> welcome*
22:54 < tfing> hehe :)
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22:59 < mnemoc> owl: what about the picture on orut?
23:02 < daja77> mnemoc is the guy who talks to everybody
23:05 < mnemoc> .oO( is that good or bad )
23:06 < daja77> i don't mind
23:06 < mnemoc> o_O
23:06 < daja77> :)
23:07 * mnemoc kicks mnemoc
23:08 < daja77> th: greetings from alita
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23:17 < holyolli> moin
23:17 < daja77> hi holyolli 
23:18 < holyolli> hi daja77 :)
23:18 < daja77> welcome to the drawing
23:18 < holyolli> which drawing?
23:19 < daja77> http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html
23:19 < holyolli> *loooooool*
23:19 < holyolli> that's really cool!
23:19 < netrunner> daja77: would you mind saving a tiny bit of my traffic limit? ;)
23:20 < daja77> oh that much?
23:20 < netrunner> *g* havent looked, just kidding ;)
23:21 * holyolli is really fascinated by that drawing....very funny
23:22 < netrunner> holyolli: just running since noon.
23:23 < holyolli> netrunner: that's why the 'ROCKBot' is online and collects logs...neat
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23:25 < mnemoc> blindy is overlaping tfin
23:25 < netrunner> mnemoc: nope
23:25 < sten> I still don't have my flyspray confirmation number, so would someone please note a bug which I have found in the build of coreutils?
23:25 < tfing> mnemoc: nobody's overlapping me :)
23:26 < mnemoc> much better :)
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23:26 < mnemoc> sten: hm?
23:26 < tfing> too l8
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23:27 < mnemoc> sten: hm?
23:27 < daja77> mnemoc should be our helpdesk girl
23:27 * mnemoc kicks daja77 
23:27 < daja77> ^^
23:27 < tfing> hmm, does ROCKBot ignore itself ?
23:27 < netrunner> already 34MB of images collected, 270 for rocklinux
23:27 < netrunner> tfing: nope
23:27 < tfing> ROCKBot: hi there 8)
23:28 < mnemoc> daja77: i'm a *slut* not a helpdesk girl
23:28 < daja77> ic *gg*
23:28 < netrunner> I have also activated a block that traces nicks, but I'd need to restart for that.
23:28 < mnemoc> netrunner: what are you wainting for?
23:29 < daja77> tracing in what way?
23:29 < sten> ok, here it is: In stage 1, while building on a non-devfs system (which is supposed to be supported for this release) the coreutils build utters: "./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 910: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory"
23:29 < netrunner> daja77: nick changes
23:29 < tfing> daja77: in case you were changing your nick, it'd know it's still you
23:29 < daja77> ah k,
23:30 < netrunner> sten: that's in the doc or on the ml, you need a ln -s /proc/self/ to /dev/fd or something similar
23:31 < sten> netrunner: I guess I missed it...
23:31 < cytrinox> gn8
23:32 < holyolli> n8 cytrinox
23:32 < sten> netrunner: section 17.7.9 devfs of the Online Handbook says: But if you are going to build an older version: You need to get the latest versions of the kernel (in ./download) where devfs is included. Older systems probably have to be patched. 
23:33 < netrunner> sten:  ln -sf /proc/self/fd dev/fd
23:33 < netrunner> sten:  ln -sf /proc/self/fd /dev/fd
23:35 < netrunner> found on google, http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/suse/early-beta/scripts/devs
23:36 < sten> netrunner: thanks for the help.
23:38 < sten> netrunner: I'm just trying to help bugtest.
23:39 < netrunner> sten: np, send a patch :)
23:39 * netrunner 's stomache hurts, grapes seem not to go well with wine
23:39 < sten> netrunner: I don't know how.  (still waiting for my flyspray confirmation number to come in)
23:40 < daja77> netrunner: lol
23:40 < mnemoc> sten: read about submaster @ rl.org
23:40 < netrunner> daja77: don't tell me you'd have known 
23:41 < daja77> ahem well haven't tried but sounds not that good
23:41 < netrunner> ugh, /me goes to bed. n8
23:41 < mnemoc> grapes and *good* wine mix perfectly :)
23:42 < daja77> perhaps
23:42 < daja77> n8 netrunner 
23:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe the wine was to old. 92 
23:42 < netrunner> or it's my shoes I just put off ;)
23:42 < mnemoc> i vote for the shoes
23:43 < mnemoc> and drink chilean wine next time :P
23:43 < sten> netrunner: by the way, /proc/self/fd only has 0,1,2,3.  What now?
23:43 < holyolli> .oO(chile rocks...;-)
23:43 < holyolli> <-- just thaught loud..
23:43 < mnemoc> sten: /proc/self is what 'current' process has
23:44 < mnemoc> sten: that fd will exist for the process which wanted to use it
23:45 < mnemoc> holyolli: ppl fears our salmon :(
23:45 < holyolli> mnemoc: y?
23:46 < mnemoc> all around the globe ppp want to add extra fees to it :(
23:46 < sten> mnemoc: oooh.  that's pretty nifty.  I didn't know a non-devfs kernel could do that
23:46 < mnemoc> s/ppp/ppl/
23:47 < mnemoc> sten: /proc does that kind of things
23:47 < sten> netrunner: wouldn't it be better to mount -o bind, rather then the link?
23:47 < holyolli> mnemoc: why that? i mean is it more than just the normal export customs?
23:48 < mnemoc> holyolli: cheaper and better, then local industry tend to request 'protection'
23:48 < holyolli> args.
23:52 < sten> I'm still getting the /dev/fd/62 not found error, although there is now a fd/255 node
23:55 < sten> oh well, I'll submit a patch later.
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