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04:00 < mnemoc> OMG! is google down?
04:02 * mnemoc kicks his isp
04:02 * mnemoc kicks his isp
04:05 < mnemoc> pppoe-renewed and int'l link back
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07:03 < rus_bob> hi
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07:36 < Baldzius> morning
07:39 < rus_bob> hi
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07:59 < martin> moin
08:22 < rus_bob> 4
08:29 < blindcoder> moin
08:30 < martin> == 07:50:01 =[9]=> Building gnome24/gnome-themes [2.4.1 2.0.0-rc4].
08:30 < martin> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
08:30 < martin> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
08:30 < martin> !> glib is not installed (in prefix usr)!
08:30 < martin> == 02/12/04 07:50:02 =[9]=> Aborted building package gnome-themes.
08:31 < martin> glib is not installed? I don't think so :-(
08:31 < martin> help!
08:33 < blindcoder> it is not installed in prefix usr
08:33 < blindcoder> that's a difference
08:35 < martin> okay, but why not (more)? it was works all time
08:36 < blindcoder> (more)?
08:37 < martin> no longer
08:37 < martin> okay, where is glib?
08:39 < blindcoder> /opt/gnome24 maybe?
08:43 < martin> /opt/gnome2 or /opt/gnome2/lib ?
08:43 < blindcoder> no idea, I'm not a gnome user
08:44 < martin> and which prefix?
08:44 < blindcoder> one of those, maybe
08:44 < blindcoder> prefix would be /opt/gnome2
08:45 < martin> export prefix=... or ...?
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08:46 < blindcoder> I don't know, look in other gnome packages where it has been done
08:46 < martin> hmmm, okay
08:47 < blindcoder> brb
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09:03 < blindcoder> re
09:19 * blindcoder uploading LVP binary release
09:20 < blindcoder> brb
09:24 < netrunner> moin
09:33 < blindcoder> moin netrunner 
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10:44 < clifford> ROCKBot: I want a social connection to you.  ;-)
10:44 * clifford is social-network-graph-hacking. ;-)
10:45 < daja77> hehe
10:45 < daja77> hi clifford 
10:49 < blindcoder> hehe
10:49 < blindcoder> moin clifford , daja77 
10:50 < daja77> hi blindcoder 
10:50 < clifford> hi daja77, blindcoder
10:51 * blindcoder still thinks about just posting everyone's name once to get an interesting image :)
10:59 < alanw> Hi folks, Just wanted to add my name to the graph too.
11:07 < blindcoder> alanw: tsts, such a blatantly obvious activity :)
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11:09 < holyolli> moin
11:10 < netrunner> blindcoder: tehy would fade away after a short while
11:20 < blindcoder> netrunner: sure, but it would still give an interesting image :)
11:37 < netrunner> blindcoder: they tried it yesterday on another channel, just gives a star around the mentioning person.
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12:21 < saskatoon> moin
12:28 < mnemoc> moin
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12:31 < blindcoder> netrunner: I see
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14:15 < mnemoc> esdentem!! :(
14:17 < netrunner> mnemoc: what about esdentem?
14:17 < mnemoc> i need help with a philosophical libc problem :|
14:18 < jsaw> :)
14:18 < jsaw> re, hi all
14:18 < mnemoc> moin jsaw 
14:18 < mnemoc> i have a buil-foo/root with a complete stage 1, and i can chroot to it and be happy
14:19 < mnemoc> that root has uclibc
14:19 < mnemoc> BUT
14:19 < mnemoc> if i call /bin/bash at Build-Pkg:311 it mix build and target's libc
14:20 < netrunner> you have a big but :)
14:20 < mnemoc> + /bin/bash
14:20 < mnemoc> libc.so.6: aborted attempt to load ld-uClibc.so.0!
14:20 < cytrinox> moin
14:20 < netrunner> hi cytrinox 
14:20 < mnemoc> =) *BIG* but
14:20 < mnemoc> hi cytrinox 
14:21 < netrunner> mnemoc: tried to trace and see what fails there?
14:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: does it also occur with LD_PRELOAD=..uclibc...
14:22 < mnemoc> preload uclibc in build box to Build-Pkg?
14:22 < mnemoc> i'll install strace now
14:22 < jsaw> right before this bin/bash
14:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: somehow some functions that are not av. in uclibc were linked in from libc.so.6 I guess?
14:25 < mnemoc> uhm.. + /usr/bin/strace /bin/bash
14:25 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 313: /usr/bin/strace: No such file or directory
14:25 < mnemoc> it's already jailed!
14:25 < jsaw> forget about strace.
14:25 < jsaw> it's a linker problem.
14:26 < mnemoc> but but but...
14:26 < mnemoc> i'll try PRELOAD
14:26 < jsaw> try export LD_DEBUG_OUTPUT=something first
14:26 < jsaw> (before strace)
14:27 < jsaw> see man ld.so
14:29 < jsaw> mnemoc: ups, sorry, not really DEBUG_OUTPUT. Look for stuff like LD_{DEBUG,VERBOSE,TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS} etc.... in the man page
14:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libuClibc-0.9.26.so /bin/bash works
14:30 < mnemoc> the man is pathetic, i'll try anothor man-level
14:34 < rolla> re
14:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: see, linker problem... Check the build log for -lc ...?
14:35 < mnemoc> TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS says it depends on libdl.so.0 and libc.so.0 in addition to 'real' libhistory.so.4 ld-uClibc.so.0
14:36 < mnemoc> Check the build log for -lc <--- please explain? :-(
14:36 < mnemoc> aaa... i got it w8
14:36 < blindcoder> mnemoc: uclibc target?
14:36 < mnemoc> blindcoder: kind of :)
14:37 < mnemoc> i dont' like to jail this stuff in a target
14:39 < blindcoder> I thought I remembered these messages :)
14:39 < mnemoc> jsaw: -lc is not present in bash.log, neither in cmd_wrapper.log
14:39 < blindcoder> brb
14:39 < mnemoc> blindcoder: you got exactly the same problem?
14:43 < SMP> hmm
14:43 < mnemoc> hi SMP
14:44 < jsaw> and on what doess libdl.so.0 depend?
14:44 < blindcoder> mnemoc: yes
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14:46 < mnemoc> jsaw: ldd inside the jail?
14:46 < jsaw> yup
14:46 < mnemoc> ldd libdl.so.0
14:46 < mnemoc>         libc.so.0 => libc.so.0 (0x00000000)
14:46 < mnemoc>         /usr//lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /usr//lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 (0x00000000)
14:46 < darix> hi, when does rocklinux try to mount /sys? i run it in a uml instance atm with 2.4 and it tries to mount /sys. o.O
14:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: there's the problem
14:47 < blindcoder> darix: just remove it from /fstab
14:47 < mnemoc> darix:  /etc/rc.d/init.d/system
14:48 < mnemoc> 51:     grep -q sysfs /proc/filesystems && mount -n /sys || error=$?
14:48 < mnemoc> jsaw: // or libc without prefix? or libc itself?
14:49 < darix> blindcoder: thats the funny part. :) its not in there.
14:49 < jsaw> mnemoc: libc itself. if you link -ldl before uclibc, libc.so.whatever is tried first
14:49 < darix> *checks 2ndhint*
14:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: ic
14:50 < darix> /etc/rc.d/init.d# grep /sys system  | grep -v "#"
14:50 < darix>             echo "/sbin/rockplug" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
14:50 < darix>         title "Reading /etc/sysctl.conf file."
14:50 < darix> o.O
14:50 < darix> i will try to find it out
14:52 < mnemoc> jsaw: libdl must be static or dependencies list in reverted order?
14:52 < netrunner> darix: it's there from rev r2194 on
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14:57 < mnemoc> jsaw: how should i solve this?
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14:59 < MadTux> moin
14:59 < jsaw> mnemoc: hmmm...
14:59 < jsaw> hi MadTux 
14:59 < blindcoder> moin MadTux 
14:59 < holyolli> madtux!!!!
14:59 < mnemoc> moin MadTux 
15:00 < MadTux> hi jsaw mnemoc 
15:00 < MadTux> alcoholli!
15:00 < MadTux> holyolli: a few more hours to finish getting the fs isos is that ok for you?
15:01 < holyolli> MadTux: absolutely no prob...i just wanted to know an estimate ;-)
15:01 < MadTux> 3 hours :)
15:01 < MadTux> is that estimate good ? :)
15:01 < holyolli> MadTux: it's perfect ;)
15:02 < MadTux> :)
15:03 < darix> netrunner: hmm i think this build is still rc2. and it tries to mount it although there is no 2.6 :)
15:03 < darix> netrunner: and i grepped all init scripts and fstab
15:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: no program should be linked against libdl. It's part of glibc. Maybe a wrapper filter?
15:03 < blindcoder> mnemoc: link all <2 things statically
15:03 < MadTux> blindy nice work with LVP
15:04 < blindcoder> nadthanks
15:04 < blindcoder> MadTux: thanks
15:04 < mnemoc> jsaw: ldd lib/fl_wrapper.so
15:04 < mnemoc>         libdl.so.0 => /lib/libdl.so.0 (0x00000000)
15:04 < mnemoc>         libc.so.0 => /lib/libc.so.0 (0x00000000)
15:04 < mnemoc>         /usr//lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /usr//lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 (0x00000000)
15:04 < mnemoc> that bastard is preloaded
15:05 < netrunner> darix: so from where does it try to mount it?
15:05 < jsaw> mnemoc: is libc.so.0 the uclibc? or the glibc?
15:05 < SMP> anyone here who can replace SMP.jpg in www.rocklinux.org/uploads/pics/ for me?
15:06 < mnemoc> jsaw: libc.so.0 -> libuClibc-0.9.26.so
15:06 < darix> netrunner: busybox grep isnt this funny :)
15:06 < blindcoder> SMP: esdentem can
15:06 < jsaw> mnemoc: and where is libdl.so.0 pointing to?
15:06 < mnemoc> jsaw: libdl.so.0 -> libdl-0.9.26.so
15:07 < jsaw> mnemoc: seems we're on the wrong track. Why is ld-uClibc in /usr/lib and not in /lib ?
15:07 < SMP> blindcoder: well, he is not excatly 'here'
15:08 < daja77> i could do it tomorrow
15:08 < blindcoder> SMP: clifford is here sometimes
15:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: good question, according to flist it must be uclibc: lib/ld-uClibc-0.9.26.so
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15:10 < mnemoc> jsaw: it's at /lib... why fl_wrapper what's it there???
15:10 < mnemoc> wants*
15:13 < jsaw> hmmm... well, gotta go, bbl
15:16 < mnemoc> :(
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15:16 < MadTux> re
15:17 < holyolli> re MadTux
15:19 < blindcoder> re maddy
15:20 < holyolli> .oO(pingüino loco... ;-)
15:21 < MadTux> haha
15:21 * MadTux tested gentoo-selinux last night, I really have only 1 word to descrive my impression
15:22 < MadTux> _WOW_
15:22 < holyolli> MadTux: selinux?
15:22 < MadTux> I really hope a development tree shows up soon to do something like that for rock
15:23 < MadTux> holyolli: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/
15:23 < holyolli> cool
15:23 < mnemoc> MadTux: have you used rsbac?
15:23 < fake> hi
15:23 < holyolli> hi fake
15:23 < mnemoc> hi fak
15:23 < mnemoc> fake*
15:24 < fake> SMP: is it in typo3?
15:24 < fake> smp: then i could do it
15:25 < MadTux> mnemoc: Rule Set Based Access Control ?
15:25 < MadTux> hi SMP and fake 
15:26 < SMP> fake: I have no idea how it is maintained
15:26 < MadTux> SMP: its maintained with typo3
15:26 < fake> fine!
15:28 < mnemoc> MadTux: yep, www.rsbac.org
15:28 < MadTux> mnemoc: i have not tested it, but yet for the comments I've heard selinux will kick its ass on 2.6
15:29 < MadTux> actually if u aren't aware selinux is already part of 2.6 code
15:29 < MadTux> ;)
15:29 < mnemoc> MadTux: i know
15:30 < MadTux> Fedora will 2 will only bring 2.6 kernel.. it seems that by defaut it might have selinux
15:30 < MadTux> gentoo-selinux is also running 2.6
15:31 < MadTux> While last stable release of 2.4 is out, there is a possibility that i become a selinux 2.4 based maintainer.
15:33 < mnemoc> oh
15:33 < tfing> hi all
15:33 < tfing> MadTux: you're gonna be famous ;)
15:33 < MadTux> hi tfing 
15:33 < MadTux> tfing: why would i become famous?
15:33 < MadTux> for selinux thing?
15:33 < tfing> yep
15:34 * fake still fscking around with linuxrc
15:34 < fake> gawk: /bin/hwscan:324: fatal error: internal error
15:34 < mnemoc> no 2.6 yet?
15:34 < MadTux> mnemoc: rsbac is ok, but can no longer be compared side to side with selinux as it was back some time ago
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15:34 < blindcoder> fake: comment asort
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15:35 < blindcoder> fake: that's an internal gawk error when compiled against dietlibc
15:35 < MadTux> tfing: we will see.. I'm not interested i been famous, just coding :)
15:35 < MadTux> mnemoc: I don't understand ur question
15:35 < mnemoc> it was for fake
15:35 < MadTux> mnemoc: ok
15:36 < fake> question?
15:36 < mnemoc> fake: forget it
15:36 < fake> hu?
15:36 < fake> blindocder: thanks. just wanted to have a look at that.
15:36 < fake>  /forget: no such command
15:36 < mnemoc> :)
15:37 < mnemoc> fake: don't you want to port bootdisk to uclibc? ;)
15:37 < MadTux> *GG*
15:39 < fake> mnemoc: i do!!
15:39 < fake> with pleasure
15:39 < mnemoc> fake: =)
15:39 < MadTux> nice fake 
15:39 < fake> dietlibc somehow misses the d_type field in struct dirent
15:40 < fake> the ugly workaround causes code bloat...
15:41 < mnemoc> fake: i'll send you what i have for uclibc
15:43 < MadTux> talking about sending.. blindy.. your package NEVER arrived :(
15:48 < fake> mnemoc: great
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16:01 < blindcoder> MadTux: hmm... give me your new address I'll send a new one
16:02 < blindcoder> either by ups or via seucre packet
16:03 < MadTux> will mail the addy to you later today ok?
16:05 < blindcoder> sure :)
16:05 < blindcoder> after all, I really want that coffee you promised me :)
16:05 < MadTux> hahaha
16:05 < MadTux> Mail me your address and i'll make it happen
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16:08 < blindcoder> MadTux: you'll get my address with the packet :)
16:09 < MadTux> blindy ok. just, note that the package isnot a MUST for me to send you the coffee :)
16:10 < blindcoder> but for me :P
16:10 < MadTux> ok
16:10 < blindcoder> I promised to get the DVDs to you and I will do so :P
16:11 < MadTux> Sure I know you will Blindy-sam
16:11 < blindcoder> heh :)
16:12 < blindcoder> brb
16:13 < fake> aaaargh
16:13 < MadTux> errr fake ?
16:13 * fake confused by that asort
16:14 < cchamilt> hello
16:14 < mnemoc> uhm?
16:14 < mnemoc> hi cchamilt 
16:15 < cchamilt> OK, blindy is sending coffee to what country???? :)
16:15 < MadTux> cchamilt: Greetings
16:15 < holyolli> hi cchamilt
16:15 < MadTux> cchamilt: blindy is GETTING coffee from Me.
16:15 < fake> hi chris!
16:15 < cchamilt> orkut is now only connected to 14K people...
16:15 < cchamilt> yes, i have come back from the dead sort of.
16:16 < fake> how are the dead?
16:16 < fake> ;)
16:16 < mnemoc> cchamilt: i think the reduce the deepness of the search in the graph
16:16 < MadTux> cchamilt: its nice to see you 
16:16 < cchamilt> madtux: Makes much more sense.
16:16 < cchamilt> Or everyone quit because of privacy issues.
16:17 < cchamilt> It did seem to bottom out at below 30K for me, so maybe it is path based.  But shouldn't that number technically include everyone?
16:18 < mnemoc> cchamilt: only 3? levels?
16:20 < cchamilt> mnemoc: Maybe, it isnt in the faq.
16:20 < mnemoc> i guess they did because of resources, not 'privacy'
16:21 < cchamilt> oh well, not a big deal.
16:22 < mnemoc> as you said, 'shouldn't that number technically include everyone?' then deeper you go, more expensive and the result is almost the same
16:22 < blindcoder> re
16:22 < cchamilt> Yeah, but they could just statically count all member signups, assuming the algorithm is correct.
16:23 < cchamilt> hi blindy.
16:23 < blindcoder> hi cchamilt, long time no see :)
16:23 < cchamilt> Well, I have been busy finishing up audit for last year, then I started playing with zope.
16:24 < mnemoc> cchamilt: is it good for marketing telling everybody the exact amount of members they have?
16:25 < cchamilt> mnemoc:It is supposedly a beta invite only thing, so maybe.  They might want to remove the number.
16:25 < mnemoc> cchamilt: if the number is only a couple of levels deep it creates an interesting 'doubt' around
16:26 < cchamilt> mnemoc: Definitely. If they cant show the full number, they shouldn't show any since it should be the whole network total.
16:27 < cchamilt> Has anyone said anything about a development branch?
16:28 < blindcoder> yes, the topic comes up with shocking regularity
16:28 < cchamilt> I should say, anyone who could make an official one.
16:28 < blindcoder> that would be clifford's job, no?
16:29 < cchamilt> or rene I think, since we would use his svn systems right?
16:29 < blindcoder> rene is still doing the "stable"tree
16:30 < cchamilt> yeah, but he has the svn tree.  So it will probably fork off his box, especially since I think svn must keep branches on the same box.
16:30 < blindcoder> cchamilt: it can be stored on hi svn-server but it's just like cvs
16:30 < blindcoder> the actual client can be wherever
16:30 < blindcoder> it want
16:31 < cchamilt> yeah, so it is up to rene to allow the branch.
16:31 < blindcoder> I don't think he'll be that closed-minded
16:31 < blindcoder> actually, I even think it would be a help to him
16:32 < cchamilt> That isn't what I am saying.  It is just he is the one we need to talk to.
16:32 < blindcoder> because then people would stop submitting features to the stable-branch
16:32 < blindcoder> cchamilt: oh, sorry. Got you now :)
16:32 < mnemoc> blindcoder: full ack
16:33 < mnemoc> fake: did u download it? i jusrt removed some gizmos from the previously posted patch
16:34 < cchamilt> I think submaster, for what it is will probably work well.  I want to start updating my packages and get moving on dev.
16:34 < blindcoder> cchamilt: indeed
16:35 < cchamilt> I will first try to move all our perl packages to a common namespace based on their names, something like perl-class-subclass or something.
16:36 * blindcoder going home now
16:36 < blindcoder> bye
16:36 < cchamilt> cyu
16:36 < mnemoc> cu blindcoder 
16:37 < mnemoc> cchamilt: we need some sort of 'extension' kind of package for kernel patches, perl modules, etc..
16:37 < fake> mnemoc: not yet
16:37 < mnemoc> fake: i updated what i put on submaster
16:37 < fake> mnemoc: cool
16:38 < mnemoc> fake: currently it's gcc33 only
16:38 < fake> mnemoc: i first want to send a dietlibc-based patch, so it can be integrated
16:38 < fake> mnemoc: i did see that - why?
16:38 < mnemoc> fake: because haven't ported the patch to 3.2 yet :)
16:41 < fake> ARGHL
16:41 < fake> insmod on the bootdisk segfaults with
16:41 < fake> SIGFPE        8       Core    Floating point exception
16:50 < fake> SMP: you are into lvm, right?
16:55 < SMP> I guess one could say that
16:55 < fake> ;)
16:55 < fake> is it severe that lvm fails if building a 2.6-based bootdisk?
16:56 < SMP> no, 2.6 kernels use device-mapper, which needs lvm2
16:57 < fake> SMP: so i wait for you adding a lvm2 package? *g*
16:58 < SMP> some day I might even do that ...
16:58 < fake> do it before i do it, or it will behorrible.
16:59 < fake> j/k
16:59 < SMP> no, that threat is real ;->
17:00 < fake> i was j/k about me adding it ;P
17:00 < cchamilt> just do evms, it is better than lvm for most things.
17:00 < fake> cchamilt: it's not about better or worse, it's about support in bootdisks
17:00 < SMP> lvm2 worked while evms was still pissing their pants about ioctl version
17:01 < cchamilt> old lvm is not compatible with lvm2 i thought.
17:01 < mnemoc> why not adding device-mapper patch to current lvm?
17:03 < cchamilt> to lvm tools?
17:03 < mnemoc> yep
17:04 < mnemoc> or updateing lvm tools and patching linux24
17:04 < SMP> lvm2 is still incomplete (and unstable!) compared to lvm
17:05 < cchamilt> i did do a dm patch to kernel to evms, not too hard.
17:05 < cchamilt> and lvm is unmaintained...
17:07 < SMP> in which way?
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17:07 < cchamilt> sistina stated they would stop working on it way back in 2.5.  Also, it has had problems like snapshotting being broken till recently in 2.4.
17:08 < SMP> I don't see any issues with lvm on 2.4
17:08 < mnemoc> (cchamilt: add a picture to orkut)
17:08 < cchamilt> i like it too, but i am sticking to a 2.4.17 kernel too.
17:09 < mnemoc> uhm?
17:09 < SMP> cchamilt: you are bizarre ;)
17:09 < cchamilt> mnemoc: i would just use the photo from the rock gallery.
17:10 < cchamilt> 2.4.19 broke snapshotting if I remember(which i need when i bother to do backups), and i just dont update enough to care.  It is my lan server.
17:11 < SMP> oh, well, I have one machine running 2.4.9-xfs with lvm, so ...
17:12 < cchamilt> jocelyn wants to go to bed.  i have to go.
17:12 < SMP> cya
17:12 < holyolli> cu cchamilt
17:13 < cchamilt> bye all. i will try to get more involved again...
17:13 < fake> ciao chrits
17:13 < fake> -t
18:41 * mnemoc hates his english
18:42 * mnemoc to home
18:42 < MadTux> yeah your english sucks.. also your spanish
18:42 < MadTux> :P
18:42 < holyolli> *lol*
18:42 < mnemoc> :(
18:42 < MadTux> Speak bin from now on
18:43 < MadTux> mnemoc: smile life is good
18:43 < MadTux> :D
18:43 < mnemoc> yeas, it is.. but my enlish still sucks
18:43 < mnemoc> my typing scuks too
18:45 < mnemoc> i'll go to lunch and see my wounderful girls ;)
18:45 < mnemoc> cu MadTux, holyolli 
18:45 < holyolli> cu mnemoc, buen provecho
18:48 < blindcoder> rehi
18:49 < MadTux> welcome back blindy-sam
18:51 < blindcoder> thanks
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19:55 < netrunner> this damn learning kills me :(
19:55 * netrunner has 2 exams tomorrow
19:55 < holyolli> netrunner: good luck!
19:55 < fake> ack
19:56 < netrunner> thx :)
19:56 < netrunner>  .o( maybe I should not drink while learning )
19:56 < tfing> hehe
19:57 < fake> why not?
20:01 < blindcoder> maybe you should drink more :)
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20:17 < MadTux> re
20:17 < th> hi MadTux 
20:17 < blindcoder> rere
20:18 < MadTux> Tobias. :)
20:18 < holyolli> re MadTux
20:18 < MadTux> rara
20:18 < th> MadTux: yepp. still me.
20:18 < MadTux> I know. Just wanted to Greet ya
20:18 < MadTux> brb phone
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20:34 * netrunner trusts in blindcoder and asks his gf for a refill
20:34 < blindcoder> good boy
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20:57 < blindcoder> khepera: meep :)
20:59 < khepera> :}
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20:59 * blindcoder --> bed
20:59 < blindcoder> good night
21:00 < MadTux> blindcoder: noo!!!
21:00 < MadTux> nah Just wanted to catch your attention. Sleep well my friend. :)
21:00 < holyolli> hehe
21:01 * holyolli has the impression that MadTux had a clown for breakfast ;-)
21:01 * netrunner hands MadTux a laughcookie
21:01 < mnemoc> re
21:02 < mnemoc> blindcoder: still here?
21:03 < netrunner> mnemoc: he is tired! :)
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21:04 < MadTux> netrunner: thanks for the cookie
21:04 < mnemoc> netrunner: "asks his gf" <--- what was this? wasn't he alone in the darkness?
21:04 < MadTux> mnemoc: didn't i told you to spak bin?
21:04 < mnemoc> :(
21:04 < MadTux> mnemoc: just kidding
21:04 < MadTux> :)
21:05 < mnemoc> i type worse that how i speak :)
21:05 < mnemoc> than*
21:05 < netrunner> mnemoc: who said I was alone?
21:05 < mnemoc> netrunner: i'm talking about blindcoder 
21:05 < mnemoc> his=yours?
21:05 < netrunner> mnemoc: /me trusts ... and asks ...
21:06 < netrunner> mnemoc: oh, you thought blindy goes to bed early because he is occupied? ;)
21:06 < mnemoc> yes =)
21:07 < netrunner> mnemoc: ah, has he introduced you to gina already? ;)
21:08 < mnemoc> it's great to know he is not alone ;)
21:10 < khepera> you guys think you can help with installing rock linux if i require any help??
21:12 < mnemoc> khepera: sure
21:12 < MadTux> khepera: I';m a newbie here, but I'll try to help you 
21:13 < khepera> we'll see how far I get once the disks are burnt
21:13 < mnemoc> netrunner: oh... now i understand
21:13 < MadTux> khepera: lots of fun :)
21:15 < netrunner> khepera: we're all here to help you :) *embrace*
21:15 < khepera> mdk 9.2 was till it broke after 2 min and 1 rpm install
21:15 < holyolli> http://holyolli.dyndns.org/~holyolli/fun/pope.jpg
21:15 < holyolli> new logo ;-)
21:16 < MadTux> khepera: _PLEASE_ don't compare ROCK with mdk :)
21:16 < khepera> im not - xp is better than mdk 9.2 
21:16 < netrunner> murderdeathkill?
21:17 < mistik1> I used to like that game
21:17 < khepera> exactly
21:17 < mnemoc> LOL @ holyolli 
21:18 < khepera> if it had worked on the machine i had then i may have liked it
21:18 < th> khepera: why do you want to build your own distribution?
21:19 < MadTux> holyolli: NICE pic.. is that u with the microphone?
21:19 < holyolli> i'm _holy_olli...but maybe that's not _so_ holy... ;-)
21:19 < khepera> i want to be as efficient under linux as i am in ms os's - starting from scratch is a good place to start
21:20 < th> khepera: starting with a good general knowledge about linux might be a better one.
21:20 < MadTux> khepera: nice way to think
21:20 < mnemoc> khepera: is you want to *know* linux this is the best place to start
21:21 < th> khepera: or at least experience
21:21 < MadTux> mnemoc: if even :)
21:22 < mnemoc> :(
21:22 < khepera> it also takes me a week or longer to dnl a distro - so i will check them out as i go 
21:22 < MadTux> mnemoc: relax
21:23 < th> khepera: building your own distribution with rock will take you even longer. that's for sure
21:23 < rolla> re th
21:23 < th> hi rolla 
21:23 < rolla> hallo
21:23 < MadTux> rolla: !
21:23 < khepera> i have time - im currently unemployed
21:24 < holyolli> hi rolla
21:24 < rolla> hallo MadTux holyolli 
21:24 < th> khepera: all i wanted to say is: perhaps you should try to understand distributions before building your own.
21:25 < khepera> ok  - but it never hurts to play and learn
21:25 < khepera> if i don't succeed then so be it - I see it as a leaning experience
21:26 < th> khepera: of course not! and i don't want to discourage you in playing with rok
21:26 < th> s,rok,rock,
21:26 < mnemoc> khepera: install rock desktop, make it work, and then start diging
21:26 < khepera> k
21:27 < khepera> cd 's burnt - time to break the laptop
21:27 < MadTux> rolla: he is no longer holyolli u can call him popeollie
21:28 < rolla> ?
21:28 < rolla> warum?
21:28 < MadTux> rolla: see the latest pic taken to him http://holyolli.dyndns.org/~holyolli/fun/pope.jpg
21:29 < rolla> oh boy
21:29 < khepera> damn - now to figure out which is disk 1
21:31 < holyolli> *g*
21:31 < holyolli> we should consider about making a diet with madtux...no more clowns to eat! ;-)
21:32 < MadTux> holyolli: clowns? wtf is a clown?
21:32 < rolla> :)
21:32 < rolla> MadTux: you don't know?
21:32 < holyolli> payaso
21:32 < mnemoc> if you stop eating clowns, what would we talk here? linux? omg!
21:33 < holyolli> hehe
21:33 < MadTux> rolla: yeah i do, but u aint following my game :(
21:33 < MadTux> mnemoc: what re u doing?
21:33 < mnemoc> talking to you
21:34 < MadTux> mnemoc: sounds good, besides that?
21:34 < mnemoc> coding :)
21:34 < MadTux> fun?
21:34 < holyolli> MadTux: many people aren't capable of multitastking...maybe mnemoc is one of them?
21:34 < holyolli> ;-)
21:34 < MadTux> i dunno..
21:34 < mnemoc> quite funny, hacking TBrowse class of CLIP
21:35 < MadTux> maybe he is not running in protected mode
21:36 < MadTux> holyolli: and why are u sending me to diet if are not even willing to swim a bit to visit me.. what kind of friend don't visit the other just because trains don't go to his palce
21:36 < mnemoc> my desktop is an 'screen', with irssi in one window, mutt in other, 3 with vi and one to make ans test
21:37 < MadTux> swim lazy boy
21:37 < MadTux> mnemoc: ?
21:37 < mnemoc> i code on *paper* while i think
21:37 < MadTux> wasn't that just for mortals?
21:39 < mnemoc> a have a nice board too
21:39 < holyolli> MadTux: well..you own a flying licence...why don't you fly to me?
21:40 < MadTux> because u are closer
21:40 < MadTux> *gggg*
21:40 < holyolli> *lol*
21:41 < MadTux> see u admit it!
21:41 < MadTux> shame on you... trying to trick me
21:42 < holyolli> well i tried to get an entrance permission to .cr via water...but it's prohibited
21:42 < MadTux> u said it was _on_ water?
21:42 < holyolli> 'via'...
21:42 < MadTux> maybe u want to try asking for permission to go UNDER water
21:43 < MadTux> :)
21:43 < holyolli> hehe
21:43 < MadTux> u sure can stay under water for long right?
21:43 < MadTux> swiming under water to get to cr would be like a trip to the parkl to u 
21:43 * holyolli prefers to stay over or at least at waterlevel
21:44 < MadTux> i have no problem with that
21:44 < MadTux> just come :)
21:44 < MadTux> mnemoc: will join us if u come
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21:45 < mnemoc> fly to .cr is more expensive to me than fly to .de
21:45 < holyolli> mnemoc: ok. then fly to .de and from there to .cr ;-)
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21:46 < mnemoc> demian???
21:46 < mnemoc> didn't he die?
21:50 < MadTux> hehe
21:50 < MadTux> holyolli: maybe u can steal a jet and come wityh mnemoc 
21:52 < holyolli> MadTux: well...i can just capture the lufthansa-Airbus 340-600, which serves santiago de chile...at least i have some training with that plane ;-)
21:52 < MadTux> :)
21:53 < mnemoc> non-stop or via buenos aires or rio ?
21:53 < holyolli> mnemoc: it's frankfurt-buenos aires-santiago
21:54 < holyolli> theoretically they can make the route in one...but it's more efficient over ezeiza
21:55 < mnemoc> btw, our airport is *much* better than ezeiza =)
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21:55 < holyolli> mnemoc: jepp
21:56 < MadTux> hi praenti 
21:56 < praenti> hi
21:56 < holyolli> hi praenti
21:57 < snyke> hi
21:58 < MadTux> hallo snyke 
21:58 < khepera> man  - this manual really drags a bit - chapter 5 and i only got to the install
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22:01 < MadTux> khepera: if you have questions please don't hesitate to ask
22:05 < khepera> i will
22:21 < khepera> do you guys suggest I spend time selecting packages or just use the defaults
22:22 < MadTux> depends whats this going to be?
22:22 < MadTux> Just a test box? Server? Workstation?
22:23 < khepera> test/workstation
22:24 < MadTux> ah go ahaed use default is u have the hd space
22:24 < khepera> i have bout 20 gig
22:24 < MadTux> thats MORE than enough
22:24 < khepera> cool
22:25 < MadTux> having fun?
22:26 < khepera> watching a screen wizz by aint really fun
22:26 < MadTux> ah well..
22:27 < khepera> we can talk again if I get it to install successfully
22:28 < MadTux> hehe :)
22:32 < khepera> what is gnome-print10 and do i need it
22:32 < khepera> my install got an unknown error
22:35 < khepera> man I think the 1st iso is corrupt
22:41 < mnemoc> hm?... could you continue the installation?
22:44 < khepera> yes - couple of other files gave errors - all continued though
22:46 < mnemoc> list them here when you are done
22:48 < khepera> will do if the install is affected to a negative degree
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22:58 < holyolli> bbl
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23:00 < mnemoc> oh... netrunner's graph is dropping lines
23:00 < mnemoc> poor daja is alone
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23:20 < esdentem> join #bingo-ev
23:20 < esdentem> ups
23:20 < mnemoc> esdentem!!
23:20 < esdentem> sorry guys
23:20 < esdentem> hi mnemoc 
23:21 < mnemoc> do u have time to play a bit? ;)
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23:34 < esdentem> mnemoc: play?
23:34 < esdentem> mnemoc: play what?
23:35 < mnemoc> esdentem: uclibc ;)
23:36 < mnemoc> i have a finished stage 1, and i can chroot to it
23:36 < mnemoc> but Build-Pkg does an strange mix between local glibc and target uclibc
23:37 < mnemoc> jsaw saw a linker problem but he run away screaming
23:38 < esdentem> hmm ... I can take a look at it ... but not now ... next week
23:38 < esdentem> now I still have exams :(
23:38 < mnemoc> what day? ;)
23:38 < esdentem> tomorrow and the day after tomorrow
23:38 < mnemoc> monday? SUNDAY?
23:39 < esdentem> no on saturday is my last exam
23:39 < mnemoc> when should i bother you again?
23:39 < esdentem> monday
23:39 < mnemoc> =)
23:39 < mnemoc> good luck in your exams
23:40 < esdentem> I do not thank you 
23:40 < mnemoc> hm?
23:40 < esdentem> it is bringing no luck if I thank you now
23:40 < mnemoc> oh.... ic
23:40 < mnemoc> broke a leg
23:46 < rolla> re
23:54 < mnemoc> re ro lla
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