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--- Log opened Tue Feb 17 00:00:37 2004 00:19 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-30-65.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("Leaving") 00:31 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 01:04 < daja77> https://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/15/71552/7795 01:11 < A-Tui> hola daja77, do you use sylpheed? 01:12 -!- jchoisy [~jchoisy@ALamentin-102-1-1-75.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 01:20 -!- jchoisy [~jchoisy@ALamentin-102-1-1-75.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("leaving") 01:20 < daja77> yes 01:22 < A-Tui> and runs ok the gpgme plugin? 01:23 < daja77> no 01:24 < A-Tui> sylpheed shows you a message telling that gnupg it's not correctly installed? 01:25 < daja77> yes 01:26 < mnemoc> .oO( daja77 is quite verbose today ) 01:26 < A-Tui> :) 01:26 * daja77 is on the way to bed :D 01:26 < daja77> n8 you all 01:27 < mnemoc> sleep well daja77 01:27 < daja77> thx 01:27 < A-Tui> buenas noches da 01:27 < A-Tui> buenas noches daja77 01:35 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E20C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:52 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD9506B4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:17 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-158.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:28 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@p213.54.68.209.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ("There is no spoon.") 02:36 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-241.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 02:39 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 03:30 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has joined #rocklinux 03:30 < sten> where can I get a rescue image? (tarball or iso) 03:32 < sten> or should I try to build a minimal, vanilla-ROCK target? (I've been unsuccessfully trying to build a "minimal packages/advanced template" with a dROCK target) 03:33 < mnemoc> minimal and minimal+xfree86 are for generic, not for drock 03:33 < mnemoc> you can use it but nobody has tested it :) 03:33 < sten> ;-) 03:34 < mnemoc> bootdisk is designed to be rescue disk too 03:34 < sten> really! 03:34 < mnemoc> yep 03:34 < sten> (the old-style rescue-1.5.tar.bz2, untar to partition, run lilo, build from there) 03:34 < sten> ? 03:35 < mnemoc> r.i.p. 03:35 < mnemoc> bootdisk, load 2nd stage, option 7 exec kiss, do what ever you want 03:36 < sten> I gathered that much. Does the bootdisk target have compiler, libraries, etc? 03:39 < mnemoc> nope 03:40 < mnemoc> well, it has on build time, but that's not put on the images 03:41 < mnemoc> if you set any target to 'cross compile' you will get only that, boot+compiler. just before stage 2. 03:42 < sten> oh... Most people install from an iso, or build from a running ROCK system these days eh? (I'm a few years out of date) 03:42 < mnemoc> yep 03:43 < mnemoc> sten: for elders minimal/generic is there :) 03:45 < sten> mnemoc: I'm going to try a minimal/generic build tonight then. Out of curiousity, are generic, and dROCK's package configurations still different? (a minor example: the bash_profile of dROCK was more colourfull in the past) 03:45 < mnemoc> dROCK got merged inside ock as 'desktop' target 03:45 < sten> I read that the tree's were merged, but thought that dROCK might have retained custom after-build configuration 03:45 < mnemoc> with some building/installing differences with the generic 03:46 < sten> what kind of differences? (the end result is the same then, yeah?) 03:47 < mnemoc> the end result of desktop is dROCK :) 03:47 < mnemoc> the end result of generic is.... nothing coherent :\ 03:48 < sten> :-) I plan on building my system package-by-package from a minimal/generic target. I could still, theoretically, manually add to my system until I have a dROCK installation, yes? 03:48 < mnemoc> almost 03:49 < mnemoc> target/desktop also has some extra patches, different PS1, etc... 03:50 < sten> ah. That's what I was wondering. 03:50 < mnemoc> take a look to target/desktop directory 03:51 < sten> ah, here's the /etc/profile patch I was thinking of 03:52 < sten> what is this for: 03:52 < sten> # special adaptions for the desktop target 03:52 < sten> [ -e $confdir/$pkg.conf ] && . $confdir/$pkg.conf 03:52 < sten> postinstall="cat <<- EOT >> $root/etc/syslog.conf 03:52 < sten> # 03:52 < sten> # output warnings to vc/10 - dRock 03:52 < sten> # 03:52 < sten> *.warning /dev/vc/10 03:52 < sten> EOT" 03:52 < sten> (sorry for the flood) 03:52 < mnemoc> np 03:53 < mnemoc> set syslogd to output warnings to tty10 03:53 < sten> as well as logging them in the usual location? 03:55 < sten> heh, I just realized why the file confused me: I've never seen comments inside of "quotes" before. (what is the term for "ing"?) 03:55 < sten> hmm, I could manually apply these patches... 03:58 < sten> mnemoc: config.in does what exactly? Is this the config file which specifies which packages/repositories are built during ./scripts/Build-Target, or is it something deeper? 03:59 < esdentem> hi ho 04:00 < sten> hi ho, 04:01 < esdentem> sten: config.in located where? 04:01 < esdentem> in scripts? 04:02 < sten> rock-src/target/desktop 04:02 < sten> (I'd like to start with a minimal/generic, with the option of rolling it into dROCK down the road) 04:02 < sten> (but minimalistic) 04:03 < esdentem> this file is being processed when you run scripts/Configure ... and contains configuration directives specific for the desktop target 04:04 < esdentem> sten: the best solution if you ask me is to build generic target with minimal+xfree86 template 04:04 < esdentem> install and add packages you want to have with scripts/Emerge-Pkg 04:04 < sten> that's the plan ;-) 04:04 < esdentem> then do it ;) 04:06 < sten> I'm working on it, as we speak. I was just wanted to verify that I could mold my minimal/generic target into a full-featured dROCK system later on, if I so choose 04:10 < mnemoc> re 04:10 < esdentem> with dROCK you mean the desktop target ... and if I am not mistaken it is only a different package selection ... then generic ... and some settings are different in the config 04:10 < esdentem> let me see ... 04:10 < sten> yeah, a sysklogd patch, and an /etc/profile patch 04:10 < mnemoc> package selection, .waring -> vc/10 and PS1 04:10 < sten> (I hope that's all) 04:10 < sten> PS1? 04:10 < mnemoc> profile patch :) 04:11 < mnemoc> colors of the 'standard' prompt 04:11 < sten> oh, I have a variable called $PS1! 04:11 < sten> so that's where you customize it! 04:11 < mnemoc> yeah 04:12 < mnemoc> and kernel config 04:12 < mnemoc> 4 differences only 04:12 < sten> which I don't need... (I'm picky about my kernel config) 04:12 < esdentem> sten: yes it is only the package selection + different kernel.conf different /etc/profile file the vc/10 messaging and that is it 04:13 < sten> it'll be easy enough to patch when I'm up and running then ;-) 04:13 < esdentem> and that are changes that I would not call very needy ... and you can add that changes after you installed generic+minimal+xfree86 04:13 < sten> what is the status of building with linux26 support? 04:14 < sten> (as standard kernel) Do I even need to build a kernel as part of the target? 04:14 < esdentem> I tryed to build with linux26 .. but I got errors ... but the problem can be that I am not building on rocklinux but on fedora 04:14 < esdentem> I am not sure 04:14 < sten> ok, I'll upgrade to linux26 later 04:15 < esdentem> sten: use linux24 for now ... you can switch to 26 later ... all userland tools are capable of linux26 04:15 < mnemoc> fake has been fixing linux26 support 04:15 < esdentem> as far as I know 04:15 < sten> hmm, maybe it'll make it into rc5 04:16 < esdentem> who knows perhups ... 04:17 < mnemoc> sten try to start from HEAD instead of an old rc 04:17 < sten> how is trunk different from HEAD? 04:17 < esdentem> mnemoc is right ;) 04:18 < mnemoc> trunk==HEAD :) 04:18 < sten> thanks 04:19 < esdentem> de nada ;) 04:25 < sten> a great way to occupy time while waiting for a subversion sync, is to fold paper cranes out of chocolate wrappers... very tricky 04:26 < mnemoc> o_O 04:26 < esdentem> rofl 04:27 * esdentem needs to renew his origami knowledge ;) 04:27 < sten> ;-) 04:27 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@80-28-219-118.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:32 < sten> will this remove gcc2 from my build, if I put in the "Edit package selection rules": pkgfilter sed '/ gcc2 / { s/^X /O /p; d; };' 04:33 < esdentem> you only have to write -gcc2 there 04:33 < sten> esdentem: oh, cool. thanks. 04:33 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p50801776.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:36 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4FD73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:36 < sten> eh, Target=generic/minimal wants to build headers and kernels for both linux 2.4 & 2.6 04:37 < esdentem> let it do it ... 04:37 < mnemoc> sten: both kernels are part of the template 04:37 < esdentem> but ... in scripts/Config in the experts section disable paranoia checks 04:37 < esdentem> otherwise one of that packages will yeld an error 04:38 < esdentem> because of overlapping files ... if I am not mistaken 04:38 < mnemoc> esdentem: not needed (at least here) 04:38 < sten> mnemoc: doesn't linux26 have build issues though? 04:38 < esdentem> ahh ok 04:38 < esdentem> sten: that are only headers not the kernel itself 04:39 < mnemoc> sten: don't worry :) but if you *want* to skip lx26 compeltely add - linux26 to your pkgsel 04:39 < sten> esdentem: ah, headers & src only. Are packages built against the linux26 headers or linux24? 04:41 < sten> esdentem: if both are installed 04:41 < mnemoc> sten: on Config you choose a 'default' 04:41 < mnemoc> sten: everything is build against that 'default' 04:41 < mnemoc> pkgsel: Config -> Expert -> Package Selection -> '- linux26*' <-- remove linux26 completely 04:41 < sten> mnemoc: it is probably safest to build against linux24 for now. When I upgrade to linux26, I just need to rebuild dhcpcd & glibc; right? 04:43 < mnemoc> and module-init-tools 04:43 < sten> I learned about module-init-tools the hard way already ;-) 04:44 < mnemoc> =) 04:45 < sten> do I need to let Build-Target build me a kernel, or can I remove linux24? (it takes FOREVER to build!) 04:46 < mnemoc> i have a patch for that waiting since dicember :( 04:47 < mnemoc> you must have one binary kernel in your build list 04:47 < sten> ok 04:48 < mnemoc> if not, current config will remove kernel headers and kernel sources from it, silently 04:48 < esdentem> ok .. I go to bed .. have fun and succsess sten ;) 04:48 < esdentem> good night 04:48 < sten> esdentem: good night 04:48 < mnemoc> good night esdentem 04:54 < sten> mnemoc: for some reason gnome & tons of X software appears in my "current package list," although I have selected template minimal. What is going on? 04:58 < mnemoc> hm? 04:59 < mnemoc> how many packages does Config title said you have enabled? 04:59 < sten> mnemoc: is the "current package list" updated to reflect chosen template? 04:59 < mnemoc> yes 05:00 < sten> 197 packages 05:00 < mnemoc> that's ok 05:00 < sten> there's even stuff like enlightenment 0.17 cvs in my "current packages list" 05:01 < sten> doesn't that seem odd? 05:01 < mnemoc> but it's not prefixed with X 05:01 -!- januar [~januar@dsl-203-113-218-21.vic.netspace.net.au] has joined #rocklinux 05:01 < mnemoc> they are 'O' 05:01 < sten> ohhhh 05:01 < sten> mnemoc: thanks ;-) 05:01 -!- januar [~januar@dsl-203-113-218-21.vic.netspace.net.au] has left #rocklinux () 05:01 < mnemoc> using pkgsel you can enable them if you want 05:01 * sten feels a little bit dumb in a blond way 05:01 < mnemoc> of course at your own risk 05:02 < mnemoc> sten: don't worry, ROCK has evolved a bit since 1.5 :) 05:07 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep, good luck =) 05:07 < mnemoc> cu 05:08 < sten> mnemoc: night. thanks for the help 05:13 -!- Paul__ [Paul@adsl-68-94-40-155.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:14 -!- Paul__ [Paul@adsl-68-94-40-155.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ("Leaving") 05:14 -!- _snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:15 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:11 -!- esden [~weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:11 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 06:11 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Mon Feb 2 20:19:18 2004] 06:11 (Users #rocklinux) 06:11 [ __spectre__] [ daniel_ ] [ ija ] [ Nebukadneza`] [ saskatoon] 06:11 [ Aard ] [ darix ] [ jsaw_ ] [ netcrow ] [ SMP ] 06:11 [ alanjwylie ] [ esden ] [ kandinski] [ netrunner ] [ snyke ] 06:11 [ blindcoder ] [ esdentem] [ kasc ] [ owl ] [ sten ] 06:11 [ clifford ] [ fake ] [ mistik1 ] [ praenti ] [ tfing ] 06:11 [ cytrinox ] [ Freak ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ th ] 06:11 [ daja77 ] [ hannes ] [ msw ] [ rxr ] [ true ] 06:11 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 35 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 35 normal] 06:11 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 06:12 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 14 secs 06:13 -!- mistik1_ [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:26 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:33 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@80-28-219-118.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has quit ("Going... going... gone") 07:08 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-158.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:09 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-191.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:13 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:49 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.186.103.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:49 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.37.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:23 < netrunner> *want* https://www.local6.com/print/2847577/detail.html?use=print 08:32 -!- nookie471 [~nookie@217-68-184-193.cable.primacom.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:32 -!- nookie471 is now known as nookie 08:32 -!- daniel_ [~nookie@217-68-184-193.cable.primacom.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:56 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has joined #rocklinux 08:56 < Baldzius> moin 09:19 -!- nookie [~nookie@217-68-184-193.cable.primacom.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:14 < blindcoder> moin 11:25 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has quit () 12:05 -!- YDS [proxyuser@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has joined #rocklinux 12:35 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-062-136.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:48 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-082-216-033.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:48 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 12:48 -!- YDS [proxyuser@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:49 -!- YDS [~where@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has joined #rocklinux 14:10 < sten> yay, I made it to stage 2 today 14:12 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@80-28-219-118.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:24 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-145-254-190-112.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 14:24 < netrunner> https://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/15/71552/7795 14:30 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005756.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:31 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD950289E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:33 -!- YDS [~where@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has quit ("I go in hacked world............ :(") 14:34 < sten> netrunner: haha, reading article now 14:38 < daja77> moin 14:39 < rolla> re 14:39 < daja77> hi rolla 14:40 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-145-254-190-112.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:41 < daja77> re saskatoon 14:46 < saskatoon> daja77: re 14:46 < saskatoon> daja77: the system is shuting down 14:47 < daja77> O_o which? 14:51 < daja77> call me blind, but rene said sth about he wrote sth to orkut, can't find any pos 14:51 < daja77> +t 14:52 < blindcoder> mike said that 14:53 < daja77> ic, is rxr at orkut? 14:53 * netrunner thinks messages about rocklinux are not in a good place on orkut (stopped using it) 14:54 < daja77> well the mailinglists and logs of this chan are in google as well 14:55 < netrunner> daja77: but that board has restricted access. 14:57 < cytrinox`> moin 14:58 < daja77> lol found fefe and alan cox in orkut 15:08 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-30-65.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:08 < holyolli> moin 15:09 < daja77> moin holyolli 15:09 < holyolli> huhu daja77 :) 15:35 < netrunner> daja77: how many friends does alan cox have? 15:35 < blindcoder> moin 15:36 < daja77> 113 iirc 15:38 < blindcoder> orkut is overrun by geeks 15:40 < daja77> yep found lots of kernel guys in it 15:57 -!- vegai [~vegai@195.218.66.135] has joined #rocklinux 15:58 < vegai> howdy, couple of small questions which I don't think can be found in manuals... 15:58 < vegai> 1) does rock depend on devfs? 2) is there a manifesto of some kind? 15:59 < daja77> 1) depends on version 2) no 16:08 < vegai> oy! really nice net configuration 16:08 < vegai> daja77: hmm, ok. So, perhaps rc5 doesn't depend on it? 16:10 < daja77> it doesn't 16:18 < daja77> https://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/ruslinux.jpg 16:28 < holyolli> *lol* 16:29 < darix> teamwork: https://sege.nu/hypermail/humor/att-0003/01-teamwork.jpg 16:29 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-191.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:30 < daja77> O_o 16:30 < fake> hi 16:30 < daja77> ho fake 16:44 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: esdentem, th, cytrinox` 16:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox`, esdentem, th 16:44 -!- vegai [~vegai@195.218.66.135] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:57 < mnemoc> moin 17:05 < fake> hi mnemoc 17:08 * rolla fucking hates his company 17:10 < mnemoc> hi fake, rolla 17:11 < tfing> yo everybody 17:12 < mnemoc> hi tfing 17:32 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@p213.54.115.197.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:50 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 17:50 < capchaos> Hi blindy 17:58 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080241B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:04 < sten> glibc23 failed in stage 5 :( 18:04 < sten> error is cannot find linux headers 18:06 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508026D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:08 < mnemoc> sten: uhm? 18:08 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder 18:10 < mnemoc> sten: that code change just yesterday to not need linux2[46]-source to build libc 18:10 < sten> mnemoc: I sync'd at ~4:00 GMT 18:11 < sten> mnemoc: maybe closer to 8:00 GMT 18:11 < mnemoc> sten: maybe cliff's patch was buggy :\ 18:11 < mnemoc> sten: w8 18:12 < sten> mnemoc: to make matters even more confusing: my build/target/root/usr/include/linux looks normal 18:13 < mnemoc> - --with-headers=$root/usr/src/linux/include --with-gd=/usr \ 18:13 < mnemoc> + --with-headers=$root/usr/include/linux --with-gd=/usr \ 18:14 < mnemoc> that changed on r2353 18:15 < sten> mnemoc: my $root/usr/src/linux/include doesn't have any .h's. Just dir's for each arch 18:15 < mnemoc> hm?! 18:16 < sten> yeah, it's a normal linux-2.4.24-rock too. (not even a linux26 issue) 18:16 < sten> mnemoc: shouldn't "+ --with-headers=$root/usr/include/linux --with-gd=/usr \ 18:16 < sten> <mnemoc> that changed on r2353 18:17 < sten> usr/src/linux/include/linux 18:17 < sten> err, I mean $root/usr/src/linux/include, be $root/usr/src/linux/include/linux 18:17 < sten> ? 18:17 < sten> because that has the .h's 18:17 < sten> (.h's are the headers, yeah?) 18:18 < mnemoc> the '-' has the previous code, the + is the broken-current one 18:18 < mnemoc> s/has/was/ 18:18 < mnemoc> package/base/glibc23/glibc23.conf line... 37? 18:19 < mnemoc> revert it 18:20 < sten> ok. And then re-run Build-Target, starting at stage 5? 18:20 < mnemoc> rm $root/var/adm/logs/5-glibc23 18:21 < sten> "./scripts/Build-Target -job 5-glibc23" should work, yeah? 18:21 < mnemoc> sure =) 18:22 < sten> mnemoc: by the way, I don't need to run Puzzle, or any of that, after changing package/base/glibc23/glibc23.conf, do I? 18:23 < mnemoc> nope 18:24 < sten> haha, it found the new/updated files automatically. (and printed a pretty message) ROCK 2.0 is even more fun then I remember 1.5 18:24 < mnemoc> =) 18:25 < mnemoc> welcome back =) 18:27 < sten> it definitely feels like home :-) 18:28 < sten> out of curiousity, what do you think of udev? From what I've been reading, it is superceding devfs for > linux-2.6 18:28 < mnemoc> ^^ 18:29 < mnemoc> they are _trying_ to do devfs on userspace using hotplug 18:30 < sten> how does the rockplug approach differ? (rockplug is another "new" thing for me) 18:30 < mnemoc> rockplug is like hwscan but improved 18:31 < sten> so it doesn't use this udev userspace approach? (meaning there's a hybrid hwscan + devfs) 18:31 < mnemoc> kind of 18:32 < mnemoc> jsaw_ author it, he can give you details i don't know, for me it's the hwscan replacemente :p 18:35 < sten> mnemoc: I found a README in the rockplug subversion repository. reading it now 18:39 < sten> mnemoc: yeah, I think you're right about rockplug as hwscan replacement/improvement. It doesn't have the overarching "reform the system" goals of udev. (although apparently udev is LSB compatible, whereas devfs is not) 18:40 < mnemoc> i'm more than happy with devfs :) 18:41 < sten> I probably will be too. I've been using Slackware for a while now, so many a dynamic /dev scares me ;-) 18:41 < sten> s/many/maybe 18:42 < mnemoc> i would like to know if devfs has mantainer again :\ 18:43 < daja77> it has 18:44 < mnemoc> [daja77]! 18:44 < mnemoc> daja77: who? 18:45 < daja77> dunno, just read it in zack's kernel news last months 18:45 < sten> is devfs really closer to BeOS, FreeBSD, and IRIX's implementations of /dev; then udev is? 18:45 < daja77> it is just saner :) 18:47 < sten> I read that it has race conditions. (are these pretty rare?) (I'm leaning towards devfs, by the way, but the udev author has a lot of bad stuff to say about devfs, and I'm curious how much of these "bad things" affect me) 18:55 < mnemoc> i never knew how real those 'bad things' were, from the begining people stated goosh's was a wrong aproach, until he got pissed enough to quit. and kernel ppl gladly taged devfs as 'obsolete' 18:56 < mnemoc> s/goocsh/gooch/ :o 18:57 < sten> ah. Yeah, the VFS guy (I forget his name) was/is against devfs, because he thinks that because it can be done in userspace, it automatically should be. (personally, I disagree in this case) 18:57 < mnemoc> they tag it 'obsolete' even before having a single line of code to replace it.... that was absurd imho 18:57 < sten> udev is vaporware? 18:58 < sten> I thought they moved it into userspace... 18:58 < mnemoc> udev is userspace 18:58 < sten> so " before having a single line of code to replace it"? 18:58 < sten> (didn't they cut the entire idea out of the kernel) 18:59 < mnemoc> idea!=code 18:59 < sten> but they defered to userspace 18:59 < sten> I think that /dev management is the kernel's job too. 19:00 < sten> at any rate, I think I have a good handle on it now. thanks 19:01 < mnemoc> :) 19:01 < mnemoc> daja77: how was your exam? 19:01 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-191.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:03 < daja77> mnemoc: have it on thursday 19:06 < mnemoc> daja77: do u know where/why .gz manpages get silently uncompressed? 19:06 < daja77> nope 19:06 < mnemoc> :( 19:07 < daja77> but i remember there was sth like on ml before 19:35 < blindcoder> build-pkg IIRC 19:35 < blindcoder> there's even a comment there 19:36 < blindcoder> just grep for man 19:43 < praenti> hi 19:43 < praenti> daja77: here? 19:44 < praenti> ping daja77 :-) 19:48 < praenti> hmm. slow connection or packet loss :-( 19:48 < blindcoder> hi praenti 19:48 < praenti> hi blindcoder 20:10 < sten> oh no.... 20:11 < sten> How do you resume a Build-Target? When it aborted on 5-glibc23 earlier today, I restarted with "./scripts/Build-Target -job 5-glibc23" 20:11 < sten> how do I finish the build? 20:12 < praenti> sten: simple run ./scripts/Build-Target 20:12 < praenti> the system continue with last package 20:12 < praenti> s/last package/the last package/ 20:13 < praenti> so if 5-glibc23 aborted, the scripts will try to build them again 20:14 < sten> praenti: I fixed 5-glibc23, and the next package is 5-gcc3, so it'll pick that up and move on, right? 20:14 < praenti> sten: mom. abort your build. you must set a option first 20:15 < sten> praenti: where? 20:15 < sten> praenti: (the 5-glibc23 build completed successfully, but Build-Target stopped) 20:16 < praenti> in ./scripts/Config you can set "Retry building broken packages" 20:16 < praenti> so if a package is not complete it will be build again 20:16 < sten> praenti: the package is fine 20:17 < sten> I need to continue with my build 20:17 < sten> (I fixed the package) 20:17 < praenti> but where is your problem then 20:17 < praenti> the build is continued by ./scripts/Build-Target automatically 20:18 < praenti> and Build-Target only aborts if s.th. is wrong with a package 20:18 < praenti> or you as user stop it 20:18 < sten> thank you. I was trying to verify if ./scripts/Build-Target would continue, after manually ./scripts/Build-Target -job 5-glibc23 20:19 < sten> because 5-glibc23 failed earlier. (I fixed it) 20:19 < sten> I'm paranoid about throwing out six hours of compilation time 20:20 < praenti> sten: should. because the package list is checked from the beginning and for each package in $root/var/adm/logs/stage-packagename.log 20:21 < praenti> if an $root/var/adm/logs/stage-packagename.err is there the script know, that s.th. was wrong with building the package 20:21 < praenti> if no log is there, the scripts build the package, because it is not build yet 20:22 < sten> praenti: yup. And it uses this list of logs to know what stages to skip? 20:22 < praenti> so the key is the $root/var/adm/logs/ directory 20:22 < praenti> not exactly. you can take a look into $your-rock-dir/config/$configname 20:23 < praenti> normally rock-2.0.0-rc/config/default 20:24 < praenti> there is a packages file 20:24 < praenti> the packages are sorted by the build priority 20:25 < praenti> and in front of each line you have s.th. like X -----5---9 984.000 20:25 < sten> praenti: yeah, just like old times. (the last ROCK I used was 1.5) I don't remember being able to resume builds back then. (which is why I'm super-paranoid) 20:25 < praenti> :-) 20:26 < praenti> sten: ahh. then you know this syntax... but dont edit the file. it is generated by ./scripts/Config 20:27 < sten> praenti: ok. 20:29 < sten> praenti: if I edited it, I could bypass the package.desc, which wouldn't be a clean way to do things anyway 20:30 < praenti> sten: the problem you would get is that ./scripts/Build-Target would work with your change until you execute ./scripts/Config 20:31 < praenti> sten: ./scripts/Config generates the file from the *.desc on each startup :-) 20:31 < praenti> because of that Config is so slow :-( 20:32 < sten> praenti: ah. I was wondering about that. I seem to remember having to manually run ./scripts/Puzzle, or something similar, after modifying a .desc. (I've learned that Puzzle is run automatically now) 20:33 < praenti> yes. it is integrated in configure, but only for the *.desc 20:33 < praenti> *.conf *.patch ... are read at runtime 20:34 < praenti> and ./scripts/Download reads the urls files and chksum directly from the *.desc 20:35 < sten> that makes sense. It's easier to re-patch, reconfigure, and fix broken urls that way 20:35 < sten> s/that/this 20:35 < praenti> yeah 20:38 < sten> I'm really glad that there's a generic/minimal target. I freaked out when I learned that there were no rescue.tar.bz2's anymore, because I like to build ROCK from minimalistic roots. (and I only have an althon-750) 20:38 < praenti> i will leave now. must have some sleep tonight... 20:38 < praenti> cu 20:38 < sten> night 20:46 < esdentem> hi all 20:47 < fake> hi esden 20:48 < esdentem> hi fake 20:48 < blindcoder> wow, esdentem is alive :) 20:58 < esdentem> blindcoder: yes from time to time ;) 20:58 * esdentem searching reports about problems with kernel 2.6 and e1k network cards 20:59 < esdentem> somehow when I load the driver there is no device listed by ifconfig 20:59 < esdentem> I mean no eth0 ... :( 20:59 * blindcoder happy on 2.4 :) 21:00 < esdentem> blindcoder: :P 21:03 * rolla is ahppy with his 2.6 kernel 21:08 < esdentem> ahhh that card is not e1000 but 3C996 so the driver is called BCM5700 *sigh* 21:08 < esdentem> as it seems 21:32 -!- kandinski_ [~kandinski@80.26.152.187] has joined #rocklinux 21:46 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@80-28-219-118.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:48 -!- kandinski_ is now known as kandinski 21:51 * netrunne1 asks himself where to get ssh for the zaurus 21:51 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 22:04 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ("Changing server") 22:22 < fake> netrunner: what cpu? x-scale? 22:28 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-082-082-216-221.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 < netrunner> fake: jup. c700 22:33 < fake> netrunner: running ? 22:33 < fake> os i mean 22:41 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-062-136.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:41 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 23:00 < netrunner> qtopia 23:01 < netrunner> I borrowed it because I want to buy one, and it's nice to test the handling before actually buying. 23:02 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@80.26.152.187] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 23:28 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1 23:57 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-30-65.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("Leaving") 23:58 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@p213.54.115.197.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) --- Log closed Wed Feb 18 00:00:51 2004