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--- Log opened Wed Feb 18 00:00:51 2004 00:03 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 < A-Tui> hi all 00:15 < mnemoc> re 00:15 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc 00:17 < mnemoc> hola A-Tui 01:36 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E24C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:40 < mnemoc> wb jsaw 01:47 -!- kandinski_ [~kandinski@80.26.152.187] has joined #rocklinux 01:52 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E20C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:21 -!- kandinski_ is now known as kandinski 02:32 * A-Tui is away: Jaén levántate y anda! No vuelvas a ser esclava con todos tus olivares! 03:27 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 04:26 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4FD73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 04:26 -!- blindcod1r [~blindcode@pD9E4FC5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:26 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 04:29 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has quit ("argh, could my current system be causing these errors? *sigh* I guess I'll have to download an iso") 05:25 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p508BA93C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:41 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E24C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:09 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-193.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:26 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-191.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:53 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail2@p213.54.134.39.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:59 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.186.103.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:25 < blindcoder> moin 08:35 < saskatoon> re 09:33 < netrunner> moin 09:34 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.151.105.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:35 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail2@p213.54.134.39.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:00 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has joined #rocklinux 10:00 < Baldzius> moin 10:27 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:40 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-30-65.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:40 < holyolli> moin 11:36 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@80.26.152.187] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:40 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@80.26.152.187] has joined #rocklinux 12:40 < cytrinox`> moin 12:58 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:00 < netrunner> https://mixter.void.ru/fun/test.gif 13:18 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 13:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: very funny. 13:28 < blindcoder> hm? 13:29 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:29 < mnemoc> moin 13:30 -!- kandinski is now known as kandinski_afk 13:30 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:32 -!- kandinski_afk [~kandinski@80.26.152.187] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 13:44 * netrunner now leaves his pc and moves to tv, to gain more learning time :) 13:45 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.151.105.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:50 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.63.220.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:56 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-067-167.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:03 < rxr> re 14:06 < mnemoc> wb rxr 14:11 < rxr> hi mnemoc 14:12 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-082-216-221.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:12 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:13 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos slang, you prefer to patch posible packages instead of a dummy include/slang? 14:18 * jsaw_ appears to say that wife has inflammation of duodenum... and disappears again for a while... 14:19 < mnemoc> good luck jsaw_ 14:23 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - currently no package needs the link - and why should we start adding more compat links ? 14:23 < mnemoc> ack 14:23 < mnemoc> i'll resend eg patch 14:30 < netrunner> mnemoc: what do you mean with me showing you're a slut? (just walked into orkut after a week) 14:31 < mnemoc> netrunner: everybody of the channel touch me (strong) on that graph :( 14:32 < mnemoc> netrunner: where is the bot? ;) 14:32 < netrunner> mnemoc: ah *bg* 14:33 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD90056CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:33 < netrunner> mnemoc: I quit him, but If you feel emberassed, I can rejoin him. that would recreate the graph from the beginning. 14:33 < mnemoc> why recreate? 14:35 < mnemoc> i.e. why not continue from the already processed data? 14:36 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD950289E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: doesn't support it :) 14:40 < mnemoc> netrunner: :( ... but he still welcome 14:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe I extend it after my test tomorrow. 14:42 -!- maisenhe [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:42 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla 15:01 < rolla> re 15:01 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:01 < rolla> anyone here? 15:01 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:03 < mnemoc> moin rolla 15:03 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.63.220.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:03 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.133.223.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:03 < mnemoc> rxr what uid should i give to a 'log' user? i don't need a gid but and need to set one to it, what gid should i use? 15:07 < blindcoder> mnemoc: check the inode of /var/log/messages, take 3 random numbers off it and use those as the uid 15:07 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i set it to 9 ;) 15:07 < mnemoc> (moin blindcoder) 15:07 < blindcoder> as good as any other :) 15:07 < blindcoder> hi btw. :) 15:08 < mnemoc> hope nobody screams =) 15:08 < blindcoder> hmm... 15:08 < blindcoder> with util-linux 2.12 it would... theoretically... be possible to integrate LVP into ROCK... 15:09 < mnemoc> as just another target? 15:09 < blindcoder> yes 15:10 < blindcoder> guess I will develop it independently and submit it for inclusion whenever I do a useful release 15:10 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:10 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:11 < holyolli> re & moin all 15:11 < blindcoder> hi holyolli 15:11 < holyolli> hi blindcoder 15:11 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-56.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:12 < holyolli> blindcoder: btw. how big is the installed lvp? 15:12 < mnemoc> hi holyolli 15:12 < holyolli> hi mnemoc :) 15:13 < blindcoder> holyolli: no installation, livesystem 15:13 < blindcoder> holyolli: 25MB 15:13 < holyolli> blindcoder: and is it with framebuffer, isn't it? 15:13 < blindcoder> no 15:13 < blindcoder> it uses the X-builtin autodetection 15:13 < rolla> can someone explain this whole xfree 4.4 thing that is going on? 15:14 < blindcoder> rolla: looks like the new XFree license isn't OSI-compatible 15:14 < rolla> how so? 15:15 < blindcoder> no idea... 15:15 < mnemoc> aaarg... $builddir doesn't exists when .conf is sourced :'( 15:15 < blindcoder> the only thing I've seen so far is the bitching on /. 15:16 < blindcoder> about "too many licenses", "can't see which license you are using without looking at the source", etc. 15:16 < rolla> yeah that is what I am tring to sort through right. 15:16 < rolla> so the distros are a bunch of babies 15:17 < blindcoder> and crying :) 15:17 < rolla> yeah 15:17 < blindcoder> brb 15:21 < blindcoder> re 15:21 < blindcoder> if you have a clue, post it to the ml 15:23 < rolla> clue? 15:23 < blindcoder> about that licensing stuff 15:28 < rolla> Right now I am not caring I am just trying to figure it out 15:30 < blindcoder> i c 15:37 < rolla> yeah gentoo dropped it 15:37 < rolla> it all seems no one wants to add the extra line to the docs cause it will cost money 15:37 < rolla> what a bunch of bull 15:38 < rolla> they people that are heading these distro's are a bunch of babies any change that they did not cause makes them cry 15:40 < blindcoder> well... I don't think they'd drop it for no reason at all 15:40 < rolla> well I read the listed reasons and it comes down to them being babies 15:41 < rolla> https://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/15996 15:41 < tfing> https://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0014-mremap-unmap.txt <- new mremap vuln 15:41 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-56.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:41 < rolla> so all the distro's are going to cripple there X's cause they are babies 15:41 < rolla> going to set us back to 1995 15:41 * rolla is not happy about this 15:42 * blindcoder is not happy about a lot of things... 15:43 < rolla> yeah but having my linux box stuck is not what I want 15:48 < blindcoder> as it seems it's just another round of license bashing 15:48 < blindcoder> the XFree people want to be ack'ed for their work and everyone else is complaining about it 15:48 < blindcoder> that's what it boils down to 15:49 < blindcoder> although from the part on the gentoo-ml I don#t get what the GPL ahs to do with XFree licensing... 15:49 < rolla> yup 15:49 < rolla> yeah same here 15:50 < rolla> they are just pissed that you now have to give them credit 15:50 < blindcoder> looks like that... 15:50 < rolla> I am reading more right now everyone saying how great this is now we can all switch to freedesktop.org 15:50 < rolla> which seems to be beta at best 15:51 < blindcoder> xserver doesn't work yet, and xlibs, although through 1.0, still has some rough edges 15:51 < blindcoder> I don't think anyone at /. has really read into this whole thing 15:53 < blindcoder> hmm... it has some similiarities to the old BSD license, though... 15:54 < tfing> blindcoder: even theo is not happy with the new licence 15:55 < rolla> who is theo? 15:55 < rolla> GNU people whine way too much 15:55 < tfing> rolla: de raadt, from openbsd 15:55 < rolla> ah 15:55 < blindcoder> hmm 15:55 < rolla> we I feel everyone who is complaining about it needs to have their head checked 15:56 < blindcoder> hmm... 15:56 < rolla> they don't want to give credit to xfree for xfree then they should be ashamed of themselves 15:56 < blindcoder> well, you'd have to add that line to the documentation in the credits section... 15:56 < blindcoder> although I don't think this is much of a problem 15:56 < rolla> yeah neither 15:57 < blindcoder> and the argument "It costs a lot of money"... ehm...please 15:57 < blindcoder> It's news to me that manuals are charged by character 15:59 < rolla> and most the of the manual are online 15:59 < rolla> just retype it 15:59 < rolla> give me a break 15:59 < mnemoc> what's the 'not gpl compatible' part of the license? 16:01 < netrunner> mnemoc: x states you need to have an acknowledgement to the authors in the docs or in the software. gpl says, you may not impose restrictions to third parties. 16:01 < netrunner> (short summary ;) 16:01 < mnemoc> only that? o_O 16:02 < blindcoder> yes, only that 16:02 < rolla> netrunner: gpl does not say that 16:02 < rolla> netrunner: GNU people feel you should not have too 16:03 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-30-65.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("Leaving") 16:03 < netrunner> 6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the 16:03 < netrunner> Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the 16:03 < netrunner> original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to 16:03 < netrunner> these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further 16:03 < netrunner> restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. 16:03 < netrunner> You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to 16:03 < rolla> netrunner: GNU people what to be acknowlegde for everything but don't want to acknowledge everypone else 16:03 < netrunner> this License. 16:03 * netrunner has quit - *Excess Flood* 16:04 < blindcoder> rolla: a rather introverted species :)= 16:04 < rolla> yes 16:05 < blindcoder> or was that self-centered? 16:05 < blindcoder> brb 16:05 < netrunner> (that was from gpl, do you also want the x-license part? 16:07 < rolla> netrunner: just proves the gpl is not that best thing since sliced bread like RS thinks it is 16:07 < rolla> 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer. 16:07 < rolla> 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution, and in the same place and form as other copyright, license and disclaimer information. 16:07 < rolla> 3. The end-user documentation included with the redistribution, if any, must include the following acknowledgment: "This product includes software developed by The XFree86 Project, Inc (https://www.xfree86.org/) and its contributors", in the same place and form as other third-party acknowledgments. Alternately, this acknowledgment may appear in the software itself, in the same form and location as other such third-party acknowled 16:08 < rolla> 4. Except as contained in this notice, the name of The XFree86 Project, Inc shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from The XFree86 Project, Inc. 16:08 < rolla> there is the xfree one 16:08 < rolla> I think it is very fair to ask 16:11 < netrunner> rolla: yes, but it reduces the rights that gpl gives, and therefore violates gpl. 16:12 < mnemoc> if that i think they will move from gpl to 'open source' :\ 16:12 < mnemoc> s/if that// 16:13 < tfing> https://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=107696705911864&w=2 from a less gpl-centered point of view 16:15 < blindcoder> I still don't get what the GPL has to do with all of this 16:15 < mnemoc> This is final; if that license stands, there will be forking. 16:15 < tfing> blindcoder: GPL forbids such adverting clause 16:16 < blindcoder> yes, but XFree isn't licensed under GPL 16:16 < tfing> blindcoder: no but gnome and kde are 16:16 < tfing> and they link against the Xlib 16:16 < blindcoder> so they have to complay with XFree, not the other way round 16:16 < blindcoder> comply 16:16 < netrunner> blindcoder: because gpl and bsd are the 2 foundation licenses of open source. If you modify them by restricting them, you cause hot blood in all opensource fans, because you tighten their rights 16:17 < netrunner> mnemoc: there already is. freedesktop is mentioned several times. 16:17 < rolla> freedesktop is not away around 16:17 < rolla> it is not stable at all 16:17 < mnemoc> oh... i thought freedesktop was a new implementation 16:18 < blindcoder> from what i see: it's NOT the problem of the distributions. Period. 16:18 < blindcoder> It's the problem of programs using XFree code 16:18 < rolla> oh well just means I get to go back to compiling xfree by hand since the babies don't want to deal with it 16:19 < blindcoder> rolla: indeed 16:19 < netrunner> blindcoder: it is a problem. it is no way clear, what happens to programs linking to or using headers/libs from X 16:19 < blindcoder> this means: I have to give XFree credit in the LVP binary, but not in ROCK Linux 16:19 < tfing> that's the problem of a distribution that can't release binary packages for gnome linked with xfree 4.4 16:20 < blindcoder> since ROCK Linux on no way shape or form includes code from XFree 16:20 < mnemoc> but generic and desktop isos has 16:21 < rolla> tfing: all they have to do is include one line ack'ing xfree 16:21 < rolla> seems rather pigheaded to me to act that way 16:22 < blindcoder> and then also if linked against XFree 16:22 < mnemoc> common sense vs. law :| 16:22 < blindcoder> if they link the binaries against freedesktop.org then it simply doesn't matter 16:22 < blindcoder> since the API is the same from what I've read 16:23 < netrunner> blindcoder: but we do not know If we can legally link software to newer X. 16:24 < blindcoder> heh 16:24 < blindcoder> write "This distribution contains code from the XFree... blabla" on the first screen of stone *j/k* 16:24 < rxr> rehi 16:24 < blindcoder> during the installation :) 16:24 < blindcoder> moin rxr 16:28 < blindcoder> rxr: as the maintainer of 2.0, what do you think about XFree 4.4? 16:28 < rxr> haven't they just changed the license to "do what you want but do not strip the copyright from the files" ? 16:29 < netrunner> rxr: gentoo, bsd, redhat refuse to ship 4.4 because it apparently violates gpl 16:32 < blindcoder> rxr: that, and put them on a project's Credits-page 16:33 < blindcoder> anyway, I'm going home 16:33 < mnemoc> to ship something that violate some license is not good, we can't make both happy 16:33 < blindcoder> please post a decision to the mailing-list if one is made 16:33 < blindcoder> bye 16:37 < rolla> rxr you are right 16:38 < mnemoc> OT: 2.4.25 is out 16:38 < rxr> The modifications to the base license are motivated by the Project's desire to strengthen its stated policy of "You can do what you like with the code except claim you wrote it ". 16:38 < rxr> mnemoc: as is 2.6.3 16:39 < daja77> sigh feeling so outdated 16:40 * mnemoc still happy with 2.4 :) 16:40 < rolla> mnemoc: you need to try 2.6 16:40 < rolla> it is great 16:41 < mnemoc> .3 sounds too small to me 16:41 * daja77 off again 16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: mv is your friend 16:41 < mnemoc> rxr: :) 16:42 < rxr> did I wrote "mv" ? I meant "PR departmant" ;-) 16:43 < mnemoc> *ggg* 16:43 < rxr> svn cp svn.microsoft.com/tags/windows-xp-now-it-does-boot-and-not-crash-within-the-first-minutes svn.microsoft.com/tags/windows-xp-final 16:45 < daja77> :) 16:45 < mnemoc> =) 16:48 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-193.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:58 < rolla> mnemoc: you are the slut of the channel? 16:58 < mnemoc> ROCKbot tried to say that, but he was killed ^^ 16:59 < mnemoc> badly, the last picture still there :( 16:59 < rolla> ha ha 17:01 -!- ROCKBot [~piespy@p5080241b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:01 < netrunner> mnemoc: :P 17:02 < mnemoc> i'll never greet again 17:03 < netrunner> mnemoc: *knuddel* 17:04 < netrunner> mnemoc: what I always wanted to ask you ... 17:04 < netrunner> mnemoc: hm ... 17:04 < netrunner> mnemoc: forgot ... :) 17:04 < mnemoc> uhm... 17:05 < mnemoc> netrunner: what 'knuddel' means? :( 17:05 < netrunner> uhm ... *hug* 17:05 < mnemoc> =) 17:06 * netrunner sometimes reads on grouphug.us ... funny people 17:12 < mnemoc> .oO( those confessions i just read were not funny to me ) 17:13 < netrunner> mnemoc: some really arent. but eg " 17:13 < netrunner> i sleep too much " 17:14 < mnemoc> daja wrote that :) 17:14 < netrunner> or "Women just can't keep away from me." 17:14 < netrunner> hehe 17:22 < daja77> i wrote what? 17:23 < mnemoc> ^^ 17:23 < daja77> O_o 17:25 < daja77> i wrote what?! 17:26 < mnemoc> a confession on 'grouphug.us' 17:26 < daja77> nope 17:27 < netrunner> daja77: why not? 17:27 < daja77> just dunno what it is 17:28 < netrunner> daja77: a site where people tell embarassing things about themselves. read by spare-time-voyeurs. 17:28 < mnemoc> daja77: it was a joke, just that. smile 17:29 * netrunner , daja77 and mnemoc building a triangle :) 17:29 < daja77> hrhr a black one i hope 17:30 < mnemoc> netrunner: our link is stronger :p 17:30 * tfing getting in the center of netrunner daja77 and mnemoc 17:30 < daja77> pah 17:30 < tfing> do'h, it's a square 17:30 < daja77> hrhr 17:30 < netrunner> tfing: hehe, no egoists on #rl 17:30 < tfing> :) 17:31 < daja77> not? why am I here then? 17:31 < mnemoc> daja77: our lover 17:31 < daja77> see the slut 17:32 < mnemoc> there is not slut there, just 'roommates having fun' 17:33 < daja77> ah come on you'll seen will be the centre of interest here 17:33 < daja77> soon even 17:34 < netrunner> everybody having fun with mnemoc 17:34 -!- snarf [~snarf@12-202-229-55.client.insightBB.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:34 < mnemoc> o_O 17:35 < daja77> he is so cute isn't he? 17:35 < netrunner> mnemoc: *pat* *pat* 17:35 < snarf> rock linux sounds neat 17:36 < snarf> i could just write a half assed package manager and have my own distro. 17:36 < netrunner> snarf: hf 17:39 < daja77> yu could just use mine ... 17:41 * daja77 getting japanese mail, nice 17:44 * mnemoc gets japanese spam all the time :| 17:45 < daja77> i guess this wasn't spam but for the mgp ml 17:55 < blindcoder> moin 18:04 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:13 -!- ROCKBot [~piespy@p5080241b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:13 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p5080241B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:17 -!- ROCKBot [~piespy@p50802663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:40 -!- snarf [~snarf@12-202-229-55.client.insightBB.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 18:45 -!- snarf [~snarf@12-202-229-55.client.insightBB.com] has joined #rocklinux 18:46 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-193.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:57 -!- Oggy_ [Oggy2004@cpc2-cove3-4-0-cust142.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #rocklinux 18:57 < Oggy_> what is rock linux? is it new? 18:58 -!- Oggy_ [Oggy2004@cpc2-cove3-4-0-cust142.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has left #rocklinux () 19:11 -!- snarf [~snarf@12-202-229-55.client.insightBB.com] has left #rocklinux () 19:44 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 20:14 < owl> moin 20:19 < netrunner> hi owl 20:20 < netrunner> owl: do you come to linuxtag-chem? 20:20 < owl> hi netrunner 20:20 < owl> nope. no money, why? 20:20 < netrunner> owl: my gf asked if I knew of other girls coming there. 20:21 < owl> hehe. she will feel bored then, if not? 20:21 < daja77> i knew other girls who will be there ^^ 20:21 < daja77> know 20:34 < netrunner> owl: I do not know. girls chatter continuously about things ... maybe she fears she has nobody to quassel with ;) 20:35 < owl> *lol* 20:37 < praenti> hi 20:39 < netrunner> hi praenti 20:41 < praenti> anyone have some experiences with cups and hp jetdirect-boxes? 20:41 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:42 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:46 < darix> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse23.html -> typo: Allows dynamic configuration of the systems hostname. It does not change the staric configuration (stored in /etc/HOSTNAME). 20:48 < mnemoc> darix: that's a bug/todo on rocknet, it _will_ set hostname and /etc/HOSTNAME 20:48 < darix> mnemoc: i think it should be static instead of staric 20:48 < darix> :) 20:49 < mnemoc> uhm... me too ^^ 20:49 < darix> at least dict.leo.org doesnt know staric ;) 20:50 < darix> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse27.html 20:50 < darix> SuSE uses the /etc/sysconfig/network/ tooo 20:50 < darix> but i dont know if it is similar to RH as i dont use RH 20:51 < mnemoc> mail rxr :) 20:55 < rolla> re 20:56 < mnemoc> wb rolla 21:02 -!- k3t_ is now known as trekkie3k 21:06 < darix> mnemoc: i told you. that must be enough 21:06 < daja77> no 21:10 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:11 < darix> bad luck for you ;p 21:11 < mnemoc> darix: only rxr can do changes 21:12 < mnemoc> we just chat here 21:13 < daja77> yep so if you really want to submit bugs mail would be helpful 21:14 < netrunner> darix: you can send a patch to the ml 21:14 < netrunner> darix: or a bug report. 21:14 < netrunner> darix: or whisky to the irc #rocklinux ;*) 21:15 < praenti> yeah. alcohol *lechtz* 21:15 < praenti> *g* 21:15 < daja77> O_o 21:15 * netrunner drinking red wine. 21:16 * mnemoc gives a cookie to netrunner 21:16 < daja77> a sweet one 21:16 * praenti have nothing except lemonade 21:17 < mnemoc> i have coke and water 21:18 < praenti> but for that persons who didn't understand the joke. do you know how you pronounce my nick in franconia dialect? 21:18 < mnemoc> uhm? 21:18 < praenti> mnemoc: i know you can't understand that 21:19 < darix> .oO( bavarians. )o 21:19 < mnemoc> praenti in "franconia dialect" sound like ... 21:19 < daja77> praenti 21:21 * netrunner juping up and fetchng mnemoc's cookie 21:21 < praenti> it is "brandy" 21:21 < praenti> :-) 21:22 < praenti> this was my first nick but i dont liked that cause of mix-up with a person. but i still be a drink :-) 21:22 < mnemoc> =) 21:24 < mnemoc> nick's ethimology class 21:24 < praenti> btw. this name came up because of my family name. you only need to add a "l" and you get a very famous drink... 21:25 < praenti> i hate the name... cause everyone say that to me... 21:26 < mnemoc> praenti: don't worry, i don't know any drink which sounds like your family name with an 'l' inserted 21:26 < daja77> hehe 21:27 < praenti> cool. this drink is then only known in germany and some parts of europe :-) 21:27 < daja77> you could call him praentl just to annoy him anyway 21:27 < praenti> daja77: ??? 21:27 < praenti> daja77: you are evil... 21:27 < praenti> :-( 21:28 * netrunner doesn't know praenti's family name ;) 21:28 < mnemoc> =) 21:28 < daja77> praenti: yes i am, ask esden 21:28 < praenti> netrunner: obster? 21:28 < netrunner> praenti: ah ;) but - nothing's bad about that drink, it's all natural :) 21:29 < daja77> be glad not to be called alcoholly 21:30 < praenti> netrunner: yeah. and it tastes not bad 21:30 < netrunner> praenti: [X] bring some to linuxtag 21:30 < praenti> even I drink not very much alcohol. 21:30 * daja77 neither 21:30 < praenti> netrunner: could be that I have one at home. 21:30 * netrunner also 21:31 < praenti> i will bring it with me :-) 21:31 < daja77> so that we can call you like that 21:31 < praenti> daja77: NO please not 21:31 < daja77> ^^ 21:32 < praenti> evil daja77 :_) 21:33 < daja77> yeah when exams approaching my evilness is coming t hrough 21:33 < praenti> *g* 21:34 * praenti shortly away, driving his car into the garage (cause of ice and snow here) 21:34 * netrunner has test in computer architecture tomorrow 21:34 * daja77 in makroeconomics 21:35 < netrunner> daja77: studying economics? 21:35 < daja77> would be happy if it would be ca 21:35 < rolla> too cool 21:35 < daja77> netrunner: nebenfach 21:35 < netrunner> ah. semester? 21:35 * mnemoc hated makro 21:35 < daja77> ^^ 21:35 < daja77> 12 21:35 * daja77 hides 21:35 < netrunner> makroeconomics = calculating expenses in word using makros 21:36 < daja77> lol 21:37 < daja77> added to sigs 21:37 < praenti> lol 22:12 < daja77> lol about me of pjotr prins 22:12 < daja77> Note: somehow a sex change on Orkut is harder than in real life. 22:14 < mnemoc> pjotr still she-male? 22:15 < daja77> yeah they seem to be unable to manage that 22:20 < mnemoc> he must mail god (orkut support) and request his intervention 22:22 < daja77> well he'll find out i guess 22:29 -!- sten [~nick@24.64.187.183] has joined #rocklinux 22:33 < sten> ARGH. I've exceeded my bandwidth by 600MB this month to download a ROCK 2.0 ISO, because I my build kept failing, and there wasn't a rescue.tar.bz2 when I needed one 22:33 < sten> and still... no ROCK 22:33 < sten> because packages are spread across the ISO's alphabetically 22:36 < netrunner> sten: could have told you ... 22:37 < sten> netrunner: this isn't the ROCK I remember. :-( 22:38 < mnemoc> sten: fetch the trunk and downsload the sources of what you want to build :) 22:38 < th> sten: you tried to download ISOs to get a rescue? 22:39 < sten> mnemoc: it wouldn't build. generic/minimal 22:39 < sten> th: no gcc 22:39 < mnemoc> generic/minimal dos include compiler 22:39 < mnemoc> does* 22:39 < mnemoc> sten: what arch? 22:39 < sten> th: when I say "rescue" I'm refering to the old 1.4-rescue.tar.bz2 22:40 < sten> mnemoc: x86 22:40 < mnemoc> sten: i can build you one if you can wait :) 22:40 < sten> menmoc: building on a Slackware 9.1 system. tried building with devfs, and without 22:40 < sten> mnemoc: really! :-) 22:40 < mnemoc> sten: what problem did you had building it under slack? 22:41 < sten> mnemoc: many, many packages had problems creating /dev/loop/? 22:41 < sten> mnemoc: but that should be superficial 22:41 < sten> mnemoc: right? 22:41 < mnemoc> sten has a stupidity attack of rene yesterday :) 22:42 < mnemoc> sync to trunk and it will be solved 22:42 < mnemoc> sten: that was an.... * 22:43 < sten> mnemoc: there was also a kernel-headers bug, because cliff changed /usr/src/linux/include, to /usr/lib/include 22:43 < sten> mnemoc: I manually fixed that one, with some help from you guys 22:43 < mnemoc> and? why couldn't you continue? 22:44 < sten> mnemoc: at the very end... no gems were created, because "apparently" they were masked 22:44 < mnemoc> uhm? 22:44 < sten> I didn't mask them... 22:45 < sten> (the message was closer to "skipped creation of package foo, because it was <something> in Config) 22:46 < sten> over, and over again, for each package 22:47 < mnemoc> can you check at build/$foo/logs/build_target.log the exact message please? 22:47 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:47 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:47 < sten> sure let me check. (I might have already rm -r'd the rock-src dir (but now the downloads dir) out of frustration) 22:50 < sten> "binary file for foo.gem skipped in package database" 22:51 < sten> "binary file for foo.gem *not present*. Skipped in package database" 22:51 < mnemoc> hm? never seen that before o_O 22:53 < sten> me neither. I assumed it meant that the packages were masked off. (almost as if ./scripts/Config had done it) 23:03 < mnemoc> sten: boot + generic/minimal in progress... tomorrow i'll try to upload an pmmx iso to somewhere 23:04 < sten> do you think there will be room in ROCK 2.x for a Target called "BFSE?" (Build from Scratch Environment) It would be 3 session ISO, with 1. Bootdisk 2. Build Environment 3. Source tarballs. One would boot the disk, read the info screen, where one would set up one's cdr if it's not autodetected. After that, one goes through a normal stone installation process, except with all packages selected. After stone exists, it automatically chroots, mounts -o binds 23:04 < sten> to rock-src/downloads, and generally gives the user the option to build from a stable environment. (no headaches) 23:05 < sten> mnemoc: thank you so much. I really appreciate it. 23:05 < mnemoc> someone did a live-cd for building rock so time ago, but i don't remember 23:05 < sten> cool. Does it need a new maintainer? 23:06 < mnemoc> i only know someone did it, no idea where it is :p 23:06 < sten> oh :-) 23:06 < mnemoc> if you want to start one it would be very appreciated 23:07 < sten> Once I get a ROCK installation of my own running, and a chance to catch up (I'm still at a ROCK 1.4 or 1.5 level of experience) 23:07 < mnemoc> .oO( gentoo as a ROCK target :p ) 23:07 < sten> akc 23:07 < sten> ack, I think ROCK's more stable 23:08 < sten> Old Gento 1.2 was what coaxed me away from ROCK, but they threw all away. 23:09 < sten> My Gentoo experience has influenced my ideal, and since ROCK empowers one to actually *build* one's ideal... 23:11 < mnemoc> .oO( he should send a 'happy user' mail to the list :p ) 23:11 < th> .oO( ack ) 23:12 < sten> yeah, I should, but I should probably have a working installation first ;-) 23:13 < mnemoc> i hope to see your problems while mine builds and fix them 23:15 < sten> mnemoc: Thanks again. Will you upload to an already established ISO repository, or should I give you an email address to contact me? 23:15 < th> sten: let him send you the iso by email ;> 23:15 < sten> haha 23:16 < rolla> ;) 23:17 < th> what's wrong with email? ;> 23:18 < mnemoc> i'll see if i can upload somehow to iso.rocklinux.de :p 23:18 < th> .oO( "attaching files is just much more convenient" ) 23:18 < sten> :-) It'd be more elegant then praying that the iso isn't truncated by an ISP. 23:19 < mnemoc> i can do it warez style ziped multipart rars :) 23:19 < sten> haha ;-) 23:20 < th> it's getting... DISGUSTING. 23:20 < sten> lol 23:21 < mnemoc> hm? 23:21 < daja77> hi th :) 23:21 < mnemoc> hi daja77 23:24 < sten> well, I need to spend a few hours on a Philosophy paper. I'll drop by in the next few days to mention how the configuration is going. (I'm planning on updating my installation to linux-2.6, and I have a somewhat exotic USB 802.11b NIC, which should really test the flexibility of rockplug & rocknet) 23:26 * rolla waits for distro's to drop Apache now that it's license is non-GPL compliant 23:26 < sten> I'd like to see if I can supercede my custom rc.wlan up|down scripts with a hotplug-aware solution 23:28 < sten> rolla: whoa, I just read the first few paragraphs of the license. It sounds like they're jumping on the "IP Protection" bandwagon 23:29 < sten> anyways, I've got to go write that paper. Cheers 23:29 -!- sten [~nick@24.64.187.183] has quit ("asdf") 23:31 < mnemoc> daja77, rolla: any nice tool to remove duplicated files (mails) in a tree? 23:31 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit ("falls asleep") 23:31 < daja77> no idea 23:31 < daja77> rolla: ? 23:32 < th> mnemoc: what do you mean bei duplicate? 23:32 < th> identical?? 23:33 < mnemoc> yep 23:33 < mnemoc> TO: list CC: yourself 23:33 < th> are they identical by cksum? 23:33 < mnemoc> or incomplete moves geting the mail in both sides 23:34 < mnemoc> th: i guess so, but never tryed :p 23:34 < th> perhaps there are some differences in delivered-to or sorta.. 23:34 < mnemoc> TO/CC yes 23:34 < mnemoc> you are right :( 23:34 < th> if not... you can loop through all files and enlist cksums... if you find another file with already enlisted cksum. drop it 23:35 < mnemoc> second case they must have same chksum 23:35 < th> mnemoc: you could create a filter that drops header 23:35 < th> and do your cksum on that 23:36 < mnemoc> th: sure, i can code something... but do you know any tool doing that now? 23:36 < th> mnemoc: i'm quite sure that there is something out there... but hacking some script should be ways faster then finding some.. 23:39 < mnemoc> th: how would you filter the headers of an email without removing possible lines of the content? 23:39 < th> mnemoc: the headers end with the first occurence of a double newline 23:40 < mnemoc> oh 23:40 < th> should be easily awkable. 23:41 < th> ok 23:42 < th> SO is almost beating me... 23:42 < th> see ya later,, 23:42 * daja77 of to bed 23:43 < daja77> cu 23:48 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:49 < A-Tui> hola 23:57 < mnemoc> buenas noches aitor 23:58 < mnemoc> .oO( is that his name? ) 23:59 < A-Tui> si mnemoc :) 23:59 < A-Tui> bunas noches --- Log closed Thu Feb 19 00:00:05 2004