--- Log opened Wed Feb 18 00:00:51 2004
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00:08 < A-Tui> hi all
00:15 < mnemoc> re
00:15 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc
00:17 < mnemoc> hola A-Tui 
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01:40 < mnemoc> wb jsaw 
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02:32 * A-Tui is away: Jaén levántate y anda! No vuelvas a ser esclava con todos tus olivares!
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08:25 < blindcoder> moin
08:35 < saskatoon> re
09:33 < netrunner> moin
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10:00 < Baldzius> moin
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10:40 < holyolli> moin
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12:40 < cytrinox`> moin
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13:00 < netrunner> http://mixter.void.ru/fun/test.gif
13:18 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
13:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: very funny.
13:28 < blindcoder> hm?
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13:29 < mnemoc> moin
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13:44 * netrunner now leaves his pc and moves to tv, to gain more learning time :)
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14:03 < rxr> re
14:06 < mnemoc> wb rxr
14:11 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
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14:13 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos slang, you prefer to patch posible packages instead of a dummy include/slang?
14:18 * jsaw_ appears to say that wife has inflammation of duodenum... and disappears again for a while...
14:19 < mnemoc> good luck jsaw_ 
14:23 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - currently no package needs the link - and why should we start adding more compat links ?
14:23 < mnemoc> ack
14:23 < mnemoc> i'll resend eg patch 
14:30 < netrunner> mnemoc: what do you mean with me showing you're a slut? (just walked into orkut after a week)
14:31 < mnemoc> netrunner: everybody of the channel touch me (strong) on that graph :(
14:32 < mnemoc> netrunner: where is the bot? ;)
14:32 < netrunner> mnemoc: ah *bg*
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14:33 < netrunner> mnemoc: I quit him, but If you feel emberassed, I can rejoin him. that would recreate the graph from the beginning.
14:33 < mnemoc> why recreate?
14:35 < mnemoc> i.e. why not continue from the already processed data?
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14:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: doesn't support it :)
14:40 < mnemoc> netrunner: :( ... but he still welcome 
14:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe I extend it after my test tomorrow.
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15:01 < rolla> re
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15:01 < rolla> anyone here?
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15:03 < mnemoc> moin rolla 
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15:03 < mnemoc> rxr what uid should i give to a 'log' user? i don't need a gid but and need to set one to it, what gid should i use?
15:07 < blindcoder> mnemoc: check the inode of /var/log/messages, take 3 random numbers off it and use those as the uid
15:07 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i set it to 9 ;)
15:07 < mnemoc> (moin blindcoder)
15:07 < blindcoder> as good as any other :)
15:07 < blindcoder> hi btw. :)
15:08 < mnemoc> hope nobody screams =)
15:08 < blindcoder> hmm...
15:08 < blindcoder> with util-linux 2.12 it would... theoretically... be possible to integrate LVP into ROCK...
15:09 < mnemoc> as just another target?
15:09 < blindcoder> yes
15:10 < blindcoder> guess I will develop it independently and submit it for inclusion whenever I do a useful release
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15:11 < holyolli> re & moin all
15:11 < blindcoder> hi holyolli 
15:11 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
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15:12 < holyolli> blindcoder: btw. how big is the installed lvp?
15:12 < mnemoc> hi holyolli 
15:12 < holyolli> hi mnemoc :)
15:13 < blindcoder> holyolli: no installation, livesystem
15:13 < blindcoder> holyolli: 25MB
15:13 < holyolli> blindcoder: and is it with framebuffer, isn't it?
15:13 < blindcoder> no
15:13 < blindcoder> it uses the X-builtin autodetection
15:13 < rolla> can someone explain this whole xfree 4.4 thing that is going on?
15:14 < blindcoder> rolla: looks like the new XFree license isn't OSI-compatible
15:14 < rolla> how so?
15:15 < blindcoder> no idea...
15:15 < mnemoc> aaarg... $builddir doesn't exists when .conf is sourced :'(
15:15 < blindcoder> the only thing I've seen so far is the bitching on /.
15:16 < blindcoder> about "too many licenses", "can't see which license you are using without looking at the source", etc.
15:16 < rolla> yeah that is what I am tring to sort through right.
15:16 < rolla> so the distros are a bunch of babies 
15:17 < blindcoder> and crying :)
15:17 < rolla> yeah
15:17 < blindcoder> brb
15:21 < blindcoder> re
15:21 < blindcoder> if you have a clue, post it to the ml
15:23 < rolla> clue?
15:23 < blindcoder> about that licensing stuff
15:28 < rolla> Right now I am not caring I am just trying to figure it out 
15:30 < blindcoder> i c
15:37 < rolla> yeah gentoo dropped it
15:37 < rolla> it all seems no one wants to add the extra line to the docs cause it will cost money
15:37 < rolla> what a bunch of bull
15:38 < rolla> they people that are heading these distro's are a bunch of babies any change that they did not cause makes them cry
15:40 < blindcoder> well... I don't think they'd drop it for no reason at all
15:40 < rolla> well I read the listed reasons and it comes down to them being babies
15:41 < rolla> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/15996
15:41 < tfing> http://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0014-mremap-unmap.txt <- new mremap vuln
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15:41 < rolla> so all the distro's are going to cripple there X's cause they are babies
15:41 < rolla> going to set us back to 1995
15:41 * rolla is not happy about this
15:42 * blindcoder is not happy about a lot of things...
15:43 < rolla> yeah but having my linux box stuck is not what I want
15:48 < blindcoder> as it seems it's just another round of license bashing
15:48 < blindcoder> the XFree people want to be ack'ed for their work and everyone else is complaining about it
15:48 < blindcoder> that's what it boils down to
15:49 < blindcoder> although from the part on the gentoo-ml I don#t get what the GPL ahs to do with XFree licensing...
15:49 < rolla> yup
15:49 < rolla> yeah same here
15:50 < rolla> they are just pissed that you now have to give them credit
15:50 < blindcoder> looks like that...
15:50 < rolla> I am reading more right now everyone saying how great this is now we can all switch to freedesktop.org
15:50 < rolla> which seems to be beta at best
15:51 < blindcoder> xserver doesn't work yet, and xlibs, although through 1.0, still has some rough edges
15:51 < blindcoder> I don't think anyone at /. has really read into this whole thing
15:53 < blindcoder> hmm... it has some similiarities to the old BSD license, though...
15:54 < tfing> blindcoder: even theo is not happy with the new licence
15:55 < rolla> who is theo?
15:55 < rolla> GNU people whine way too much
15:55 < tfing> rolla: de raadt, from openbsd
15:55 < rolla> ah
15:55 < blindcoder> hmm
15:55 < rolla> we I feel everyone who is complaining about it needs to have their head checked
15:56 < blindcoder> hmm...
15:56 < rolla> they don't want to give credit to xfree for xfree then they should be ashamed of themselves
15:56 < blindcoder> well, you'd have to add that line to the documentation in the credits section...
15:56 < blindcoder> although I don't think this is much of a problem
15:56 < rolla> yeah neither
15:57 < blindcoder> and the argument "It costs a lot of money"... ehm...please
15:57 < blindcoder> It's news to me that manuals are charged by character
15:59 < rolla> and most the of the manual are online
15:59 < rolla> just retype it
15:59 < rolla> give me a break
15:59 < mnemoc> what's the 'not gpl compatible' part of the license?
16:01 < netrunner> mnemoc: x states you need to have an acknowledgement to the authors in the docs or in the software. gpl says, you may not impose restrictions to third parties.
16:01 < netrunner> (short summary ;)
16:01 < mnemoc> only that? o_O
16:02 < blindcoder> yes, only that
16:02 < rolla> netrunner: gpl does not say that
16:02 < rolla> netrunner: GNU people feel you should not have too
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16:03 < netrunner>  6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the
16:03 < netrunner>     Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the
16:03 < netrunner>     original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to
16:03 < netrunner>     these terms and conditions.  You may not impose any further 
16:03 < netrunner>     restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.
16:03 < netrunner>     You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to
16:03 < rolla> netrunner: GNU people what to be acknowlegde for everything but don't want to acknowledge everypone else
16:03 < netrunner>     this License.
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16:04 < blindcoder> rolla: a rather introverted species :)=
16:04 < rolla> yes
16:05 < blindcoder> or was that self-centered?
16:05 < blindcoder> brb
16:05 < netrunner> (that was from gpl, do you also want the x-license part?
16:07 < rolla> netrunner: just proves the gpl is not that best thing since sliced bread like RS thinks it is
16:07 < rolla> 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer.
16:07 < rolla> 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution, and in the same place and form as other copyright, license and disclaimer information.
16:07 < rolla> 3. The end-user documentation included with the redistribution, if any, must include the following acknowledgment: "This product includes software developed by The XFree86 Project, Inc (http://www.xfree86.org/) and its contributors", in the same place and form as other third-party acknowledgments. Alternately, this acknowledgment may appear in the software itself, in the same form and location as other such third-party acknowled
16:08 < rolla> 4. Except as contained in this notice, the name of The XFree86 Project, Inc shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from The XFree86 Project, Inc.
16:08 < rolla> there is the xfree one
16:08 < rolla> I think it is very fair to ask
16:11 < netrunner> rolla: yes, but it reduces the rights that gpl gives, and therefore violates gpl.
16:12 < mnemoc> if that i think they will move from gpl to 'open source' :\
16:12 < mnemoc> s/if that//
16:13 < tfing> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=107696705911864&w=2 from a less gpl-centered point of view
16:15 < blindcoder> I still don't get what the GPL has to do with all of this
16:15 < mnemoc> This is final; if that license stands, there will be forking.
16:15 < tfing> blindcoder: GPL forbids such adverting clause
16:16 < blindcoder> yes, but XFree isn't licensed under GPL
16:16 < tfing> blindcoder: no but gnome and kde are
16:16 < tfing> and they link against the Xlib
16:16 < blindcoder> so they have to  complay with XFree, not the other way round
16:16 < blindcoder> comply
16:16 < netrunner> blindcoder: because gpl and bsd are the 2 foundation licenses of open source.  If you modify them by restricting them, you cause hot blood in all opensource fans, because you tighten their rights
16:17 < netrunner> mnemoc: there already is. freedesktop is mentioned several times.
16:17 < rolla> freedesktop is not away around
16:17 < rolla> it is not stable at all
16:17 < mnemoc> oh... i thought freedesktop was a new implementation
16:18 < blindcoder> from what i see: it's NOT the problem of the distributions. Period.
16:18 < blindcoder> It's the problem of programs using XFree code
16:18 < rolla> oh well just means I get to go back to compiling xfree by hand since the babies don't want to deal with it
16:19 < blindcoder> rolla: indeed
16:19 < netrunner> blindcoder: it is a problem. it is no way clear, what happens to programs linking to or using headers/libs from X
16:19 < blindcoder> this means: I have to give XFree credit in the LVP binary, but not in ROCK Linux
16:19 < tfing> that's the problem of a distribution that can't release binary packages for gnome linked with xfree 4.4
16:20 < blindcoder> since ROCK Linux on no way shape or form includes code from XFree
16:20 < mnemoc> but generic and desktop isos has
16:21 < rolla> tfing: all they have to do is include one line ack'ing xfree
16:21 < rolla> seems rather pigheaded to me to act that way
16:22 < blindcoder> and then also if linked against XFree
16:22 < mnemoc> common sense vs. law :|
16:22 < blindcoder> if they link the binaries against freedesktop.org then it simply doesn't matter
16:22 < blindcoder> since the API is the same from what I've read
16:23 < netrunner> blindcoder: but we do not know If we can legally link software to newer X. 
16:24 < blindcoder> heh
16:24 < blindcoder> write "This distribution contains code from the XFree... blabla" on the first screen of stone *j/k*
16:24 < rxr> rehi
16:24 < blindcoder> during the installation :)
16:24 < blindcoder> moin rxr
16:28 < blindcoder> rxr: as the maintainer of 2.0, what do you think about XFree 4.4?
16:28 < rxr> haven't they just changed the license to "do what you want but do not strip the copyright from the files" ?
16:29 < netrunner> rxr: gentoo, bsd, redhat refuse to ship 4.4 because it apparently violates gpl
16:32 < blindcoder> rxr: that, and put them on a project's Credits-page
16:33 < blindcoder> anyway, I'm going home
16:33 < mnemoc> to ship something that violate some license is not good, we can't make both happy
16:33 < blindcoder> please post a decision to the mailing-list if one is made
16:33 < blindcoder> bye
16:37 < rolla> rxr you are right
16:38 < mnemoc> OT: 2.4.25 is out
16:38 < rxr> The modifications to the base license are motivated by the Project's desire to strengthen its stated policy of "You can do what you like with the code except claim you wrote it ".
16:38 < rxr> mnemoc: as is 2.6.3
16:39 < daja77> sigh feeling so outdated
16:40 * mnemoc still happy with 2.4 :)
16:40 < rolla> mnemoc: you need to try 2.6
16:40 < rolla> it is great
16:41 < mnemoc> .3 sounds too small to me
16:41 * daja77 off again
16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: mv is your friend
16:41 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
16:42 < rxr> did I wrote "mv" ? I meant "PR departmant" ;-)
16:43 < mnemoc> *ggg*
16:43 < rxr> svn cp svn.microsoft.com/tags/windows-xp-now-it-does-boot-and-not-crash-within-the-first-minutes svn.microsoft.com/tags/windows-xp-final
16:45 < daja77> :)
16:45 < mnemoc> =)
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16:58 < rolla> mnemoc: you are the slut of the channel?
16:58 < mnemoc> ROCKbot tried to say that, but he was killed ^^
16:59 < mnemoc> badly, the last picture still there :(
16:59 < rolla> ha ha
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17:01 < netrunner> mnemoc: :P
17:02 < mnemoc> i'll never greet again
17:03 < netrunner> mnemoc: *knuddel*
17:04 < netrunner> mnemoc: what I always wanted to ask you ...
17:04 < netrunner> mnemoc: hm ...
17:04 < netrunner> mnemoc: forgot ... :)
17:04 < mnemoc> uhm...
17:05 < mnemoc> netrunner: what 'knuddel' means? :(
17:05 < netrunner> uhm ... *hug*
17:05 < mnemoc> =)
17:06 * netrunner sometimes reads on grouphug.us ... funny people
17:12 < mnemoc> .oO( those confessions i just read were not funny to me )
17:13 < netrunner> mnemoc: some really arent. but eg "  
17:13 < netrunner> i sleep too much "
17:14 < mnemoc> daja wrote that :)
17:14 < netrunner> or "Women just can't keep away from me."
17:14 < netrunner> hehe
17:22 < daja77> i wrote what?
17:23 < mnemoc> ^^
17:23 < daja77> O_o
17:25 < daja77> i wrote what?!
17:26 < mnemoc> a confession on 'grouphug.us'
17:26 < daja77> nope
17:27 < netrunner> daja77: why not?
17:27 < daja77> just dunno what it is
17:28 < netrunner> daja77: a site where people tell embarassing things about themselves. read by spare-time-voyeurs.
17:28 < mnemoc> daja77: it was a joke, just that. smile
17:29 * netrunner , daja77 and mnemoc building a triangle :)
17:29 < daja77> hrhr a black one i hope
17:30 < mnemoc> netrunner: our link is stronger :p
17:30 * tfing getting in the center of netrunner daja77 and mnemoc 
17:30 < daja77> pah
17:30 < tfing> do'h, it's a square
17:30 < daja77> hrhr
17:30 < netrunner> tfing: hehe, no egoists on #rl
17:30 < tfing> :)
17:31 < daja77> not? why am I here then?
17:31 < mnemoc> daja77: our lover
17:31 < daja77> see the slut
17:32 < mnemoc> there is not slut there, just 'roommates having fun'
17:33 < daja77> ah come on you'll seen will be the centre of interest here
17:33 < daja77> soon even
17:34 < netrunner> everybody having fun with mnemoc 
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17:34 < mnemoc> o_O
17:35 < daja77> he is so cute isn't he?
17:35 < netrunner> mnemoc: *pat* *pat*
17:35 < snarf> rock linux sounds neat
17:36 < snarf> i could just write a half assed package manager and have my own distro.
17:36 < netrunner> snarf: hf
17:39 < daja77> yu could just use mine ...
17:41 * daja77 getting japanese mail, nice
17:44 * mnemoc gets japanese spam all the time :|
17:45 < daja77> i guess this wasn't spam but for the mgp ml
17:55 < blindcoder> moin
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18:57 < Oggy_> what is rock linux? is it new?
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20:14 < owl> moin
20:19 < netrunner> hi owl 
20:20 < netrunner> owl: do you come to linuxtag-chem?
20:20 < owl> hi netrunner 
20:20 < owl> nope. no money, why?
20:20 < netrunner> owl: my gf asked if I knew of other girls coming there. 
20:21 < owl> hehe. she will feel bored then, if not?
20:21 < daja77> i knew other girls who will be there ^^
20:21 < daja77> know
20:34 < netrunner> owl: I do not know. girls chatter continuously about things ... maybe she fears she has nobody to quassel with ;)
20:35 < owl> *lol*
20:37 < praenti> hi
20:39 < netrunner> hi praenti 
20:41 < praenti> anyone have some experiences with cups and hp jetdirect-boxes?
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20:46 < darix> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse23.html -> typo: Allows dynamic configuration of the systems hostname. It does not change the staric configuration (stored in /etc/HOSTNAME).
20:48 < mnemoc> darix: that's a bug/todo on rocknet, it _will_ set hostname and /etc/HOSTNAME
20:48 < darix> mnemoc: i think it should  be static instead of staric
20:48 < darix> :)
20:49 < mnemoc> uhm... me too ^^
20:49 < darix> at least dict.leo.org doesnt know staric ;)
20:50 < darix> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse27.html
20:50 < darix> SuSE uses the /etc/sysconfig/network/ tooo
20:50 < darix> but i dont know if it is similar to RH as i dont use RH
20:51 < mnemoc> mail rxr :)
20:55 < rolla> re
20:56 < mnemoc> wb rolla 
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21:06 < darix> mnemoc: i told you. that must be enough
21:06 < daja77> no
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21:11 < darix> bad luck for you ;p
21:11 < mnemoc> darix: only rxr can do changes
21:12 < mnemoc> we just chat here
21:13 < daja77> yep so if you really want to submit bugs mail would be helpful
21:14 < netrunner> darix: you can send a patch to the ml
21:14 < netrunner> darix: or a bug report.
21:14 < netrunner> darix: or whisky to the irc #rocklinux ;*)
21:15 < praenti> yeah. alcohol *lechtz*
21:15 < praenti> *g*
21:15 < daja77> O_o
21:15 * netrunner drinking red wine. 
21:16 * mnemoc gives a cookie to netrunner
21:16 < daja77> a sweet one
21:16 * praenti have nothing except lemonade
21:17 < mnemoc> i have coke and water
21:18 < praenti> but for that persons who didn't understand the joke. do you know how you pronounce my nick in franconia dialect?
21:18 < mnemoc> uhm?
21:18 < praenti> mnemoc: i know you can't understand that
21:19 < darix> .oO( bavarians. )o
21:19 < mnemoc> praenti in "franconia dialect" sound like ...
21:19 < daja77> praenti
21:21 * netrunner juping up and fetchng mnemoc's cookie
21:21 < praenti> it is "brandy"
21:21 < praenti> :-)
21:22 < praenti> this was my first nick but i dont liked that cause of mix-up with a person. but i still be a drink :-)
21:22 < mnemoc> =)
21:24 < mnemoc> nick's ethimology class
21:24 < praenti> btw. this name came up because of my family name. you only need to add a "l" and you get a very famous drink...
21:25 < praenti> i hate the name... cause everyone say that to me...
21:26 < mnemoc> praenti: don't worry, i don't know any drink which sounds like your family name with an 'l' inserted
21:26 < daja77> hehe
21:27 < praenti> cool. this drink is then only known in germany and some parts of europe :-)
21:27 < daja77> you could call him praentl just to annoy him anyway
21:27 < praenti> daja77: ???
21:27 < praenti> daja77: you are evil...
21:27 < praenti> :-(
21:28 * netrunner doesn't know praenti's family name ;)
21:28 < mnemoc> =)
21:28 < daja77> praenti: yes i am, ask esden
21:28 < praenti> netrunner: obster?
21:28 < netrunner> praenti: ah ;) but - nothing's bad about that drink, it's all natural :)
21:29 < daja77> be glad not to be called alcoholly
21:30 < praenti> netrunner: yeah. and it tastes not bad
21:30 < netrunner> praenti: [X] bring some to linuxtag
21:30 < praenti> even I drink not very much alcohol.
21:30 * daja77 neither
21:30 < praenti> netrunner: could be that I have one at home.
21:30 * netrunner also
21:31 < praenti> i will bring it with me :-)
21:31 < daja77> so that we can call you like that
21:31 < praenti> daja77: NO please not
21:31 < daja77> ^^
21:32 < praenti> evil daja77 :_)
21:33 < daja77> yeah when exams approaching my evilness is coming t hrough
21:33 < praenti> *g*
21:34 * praenti shortly away, driving his car into the garage (cause of ice and snow here)
21:34 * netrunner has test in computer architecture tomorrow
21:34 * daja77 in makroeconomics
21:35 < netrunner> daja77: studying economics?
21:35 < daja77> would be happy if it would be ca
21:35 < rolla> too cool
21:35 < daja77> netrunner: nebenfach
21:35 < netrunner> ah. semester?
21:35 * mnemoc hated makro
21:35 < daja77> ^^
21:35 < daja77> 12
21:35 * daja77 hides
21:35 < netrunner> makroeconomics = calculating expenses in word using makros
21:36 < daja77> lol
21:37 < daja77> added to sigs
21:37 < praenti> lol
22:12 < daja77> lol about me of pjotr prins
22:12 < daja77> Note: somehow a sex change on Orkut is harder than in real life.
22:14 < mnemoc> pjotr still she-male?
22:15 < daja77> yeah they seem to be unable to manage that
22:20 < mnemoc> he must mail god (orkut support) and request his intervention
22:22 < daja77> well he'll find out i guess
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22:33 < sten> ARGH.  I've exceeded my bandwidth by 600MB this month to download a ROCK 2.0 ISO, because I my build kept failing, and there wasn't a rescue.tar.bz2 when I needed one
22:33 < sten> and still... no ROCK
22:33 < sten> because packages are spread across the ISO's alphabetically
22:36 < netrunner> sten: could have told you ...
22:37 < sten> netrunner: this isn't the ROCK I remember. :-(
22:38 < mnemoc> sten: fetch the trunk and downsload the sources of what you want to build :)
22:38 < th> sten: you tried to download ISOs to get a rescue?
22:39 < sten> mnemoc: it wouldn't build. generic/minimal
22:39 < sten> th: no gcc
22:39 < mnemoc> generic/minimal dos include compiler
22:39 < mnemoc> does*
22:39 < mnemoc> sten: what arch?
22:39 < sten> th: when I say "rescue" I'm refering to the old 1.4-rescue.tar.bz2
22:40 < sten> mnemoc: x86
22:40 < mnemoc> sten: i can build you one if you can wait :)
22:40 < sten> menmoc: building on a Slackware 9.1 system.  tried building with devfs, and without
22:40 < sten> mnemoc:  really!   :-)
22:40 < mnemoc> sten: what problem did you had building it under slack?
22:41 < sten> mnemoc: many, many packages had problems creating /dev/loop/?
22:41 < sten> mnemoc: but that should be superficial
22:41 < sten> mnemoc: right?
22:41 < mnemoc> sten has a stupidity attack of rene yesterday :)
22:42 < mnemoc> sync to trunk and it will be solved
22:42 < mnemoc> sten: that was an.... *
22:43 < sten> mnemoc: there was also a kernel-headers bug, because cliff changed /usr/src/linux/include, to /usr/lib/include
22:43 < sten> mnemoc: I manually fixed that one, with some help from you guys
22:43 < mnemoc> and? why couldn't you continue?
22:44 < sten> mnemoc: at the very end... no gems were created, because "apparently" they were masked
22:44 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:44 < sten> I didn't mask them...
22:45 < sten> (the message was closer to "skipped creation of package foo, because it was <something> in Config)
22:46 < sten> over, and over again, for each package
22:47 < mnemoc> can you check at build/$foo/logs/build_target.log the exact message please?
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22:47 < sten> sure let me check.  (I might have already rm -r'd the rock-src dir (but now the downloads dir) out of frustration)
22:50 < sten> "binary file for foo.gem skipped in package database"
22:51 < sten> "binary file for foo.gem *not present*.  Skipped in package database"
22:51 < mnemoc> hm? never seen that before o_O
22:53 < sten> me neither.  I assumed it meant that the packages were masked off.  (almost as if ./scripts/Config had done it)
23:03 < mnemoc> sten: boot + generic/minimal in progress... tomorrow i'll try to upload an pmmx iso to somewhere
23:04 < sten> do you think there will be room in ROCK 2.x for a Target called "BFSE?"  (Build from Scratch Environment)  It would be 3 session ISO, with 1. Bootdisk 2. Build Environment 3. Source tarballs.  One would boot the disk, read the info screen, where one would set up one's cdr if it's not autodetected.  After that, one goes through a normal stone installation process, except with all packages selected.  After stone exists, it automatically chroots, mounts -o binds 
23:04 < sten> to rock-src/downloads, and generally gives the user the option to build from a stable environment.  (no headaches)
23:05 < sten> mnemoc: thank you so much.  I really appreciate it.
23:05 < mnemoc> someone did a live-cd for building rock so time ago, but i don't remember
23:05 < sten> cool.  Does it need a new maintainer?
23:06 < mnemoc> i only know someone did it, no idea where it is :p
23:06 < sten> oh :-)
23:06 < mnemoc> if you want to start one it would be very appreciated
23:07 < sten> Once I get a ROCK installation of my own running, and a chance to catch up (I'm still at a ROCK 1.4 or 1.5 level of experience)
23:07 < mnemoc> .oO( gentoo as a ROCK target :p )
23:07 < sten> akc
23:07 < sten> ack, I think ROCK's more stable
23:08 < sten> Old Gento 1.2 was what coaxed me away from ROCK, but they threw all away.
23:09 < sten> My Gentoo experience has influenced my ideal, and since ROCK empowers one to actually *build* one's ideal...
23:11 < mnemoc> .oO( he should send a 'happy user' mail to the list :p )
23:11 < th> .oO( ack )
23:12 < sten> yeah, I should, but I should probably have a working installation first ;-)
23:13 < mnemoc> i hope to see your problems while mine builds and fix them
23:15 < sten> mnemoc: Thanks again.  Will you upload to an already established ISO repository, or should I give you an email address to contact me?
23:15 < th> sten: let him send you the iso by email ;>
23:15 < sten> haha
23:16 < rolla> ;)
23:17 < th> what's wrong with email? ;>
23:18 < mnemoc> i'll see if i can upload somehow to iso.rocklinux.de :p
23:18 < th> .oO( "attaching files is just much more convenient" )
23:18 < sten> :-)  It'd be more elegant then praying that the iso isn't truncated by an ISP.
23:19 < mnemoc> i can do it warez style ziped multipart rars :)
23:19 < sten> haha ;-)
23:20 < th> it's getting... DISGUSTING.
23:20 < sten> lol
23:21 < mnemoc> hm?
23:21 < daja77> hi th :)
23:21 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
23:24 < sten> well, I need to spend a few hours on a Philosophy paper.  I'll drop by in the next few days to mention how the configuration is going.  (I'm planning on updating my installation to linux-2.6, and I have a somewhat exotic USB 802.11b NIC, which should really test the flexibility of rockplug & rocknet)
23:26 * rolla waits for distro's to drop Apache now that it's license is non-GPL compliant
23:26 < sten> I'd like to see if I can supercede my custom rc.wlan up|down scripts with a hotplug-aware solution
23:28 < sten> rolla: whoa, I just read the first few paragraphs of the license.  It sounds like they're jumping on the "IP Protection" bandwagon
23:29 < sten> anyways, I've got to go write that paper.  Cheers
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23:31 < mnemoc> daja77, rolla: any nice tool to remove duplicated files (mails) in a tree? 
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23:31 < daja77> no idea
23:31 < daja77> rolla: ?
23:32 < th> mnemoc: what do you mean bei duplicate?
23:32 < th> identical??
23:33 < mnemoc> yep
23:33 < mnemoc> TO: list CC: yourself
23:33 < th> are they identical by cksum?
23:33 < mnemoc> or incomplete moves geting the mail in both sides
23:34 < mnemoc> th: i guess so, but never tryed :p
23:34 < th> perhaps there are some differences in delivered-to or sorta..
23:34 < mnemoc> TO/CC yes
23:34 < mnemoc> you are right :(
23:34 < th> if not... you can loop through all files and enlist cksums... if you find another file with already enlisted cksum. drop it
23:35 < mnemoc> second case they must have same chksum
23:35 < th> mnemoc: you could create a filter that drops header
23:35 < th> and do your cksum on that
23:36 < mnemoc> th: sure, i can code something... but do you know any tool doing that now?
23:36 < th> mnemoc: i'm quite sure that there is something out there... but hacking some script should be ways faster then finding some..
23:39 < mnemoc> th: how would you filter the headers of an email without removing possible lines of the content?
23:39 < th> mnemoc: the headers end with the first occurence of a double newline
23:40 < mnemoc> oh
23:40 < th> should be easily awkable.
23:41 < th> ok
23:42 < th> SO is almost beating me...
23:42 < th> see ya later,,
23:42 * daja77 of to bed 
23:43 < daja77> cu
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23:49 < A-Tui> hola
23:57 < mnemoc> buenas noches aitor
23:58 < mnemoc> .oO( is that his name? )
23:59 < A-Tui> si mnemoc :)
23:59 < A-Tui> bunas noches
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