--- Log opened Thu Feb 19 00:00:05 2004
00:10 < SMP> does the 'tor' ending in Spanish also indicate that the word describes someone who does something?
00:12 < mnemoc> SMP: we don't have suffixes
00:12 < SMP> au, poor language ;)
00:13 < A-Tui> SMP, no
00:13 < mnemoc> ehm.... well sometimes :)
00:13 < A-Tui> it's not poor
00:13 < mnemoc> contrucTOR is who contruct
00:13 < A-Tui> SMP, spanish have a lot of exceptions to rules
00:13 < mnemoc> SMP: the spanish has real words for everything
00:14 < mnemoc> s/the //
00:14 < SMP> mnemoc: well I guess 'constructor' is a adopted foreign word
00:14 < A-Tui> SMP, sure?
00:15 < SMP> well I don't know, but I am a master of the art of the educated guess
00:15 < A-Tui> i suppose that its root will be latin
00:16 < mnemoc> greek is very imporant too
00:16 < A-Tui> mnemoc, yes, but greek usually for sciencie words
00:16 < A-Tui> spanish toke arabian words too
00:17 < A-Tui> ever vasques words like "izquierdo"
00:17 < A-Tui> or "aquelarre" :)
00:17 < mnemoc> izquierdo is much better than sinistro :p
00:17 < mnemoc> mainly in the political interpretation
00:18 < A-Tui> yes :)
00:18 < A-Tui> sure
00:21 < mnemoc> we (chile) adopted *many* quechua words too
00:21 < A-Tui> that may sound very fine :)
00:21 < mnemoc> making our 'slang' very strange for spanish people :p
00:21 < mnemoc> guagua=baby
00:21 < mnemoc> quiltro=dog
00:22 < mnemoc> etc
00:22 < A-Tui> mmmm in Canarias guagua is named the bus
00:23 < A-Tui> mmmm mnemoc, take a look at this
00:23 < A-Tui> http://etimologias.dechile.net/
00:26 < A-Tui> arabian influence is the second more important in spanish lang, we are a bit arabians :)
00:27 < cytrinox> gn8
00:41 < mnemoc> re
00:43 < mnemoc> A-Tui: the golden age of spain ended when you expelt arabs :\
00:44 < A-Tui> mnemoc, sure :)
00:45 < A-Tui> spain then was a very pathetic country (and maybe now too)
00:46 < A-Tui> arabs gave this country a lot of knowledge, and then we expelt them and go back in the evolution :)
00:46 < mnemoc> some years ago you said "i'll go to europe this holidays"
00:48 < A-Tui> we should have better relations with Morroco, and our president spent our money in relationships with USA :(
00:50 < mnemoc> your place in the 4-presidents' picture of the 'irak-release' was much important than your neighbor :p
00:53 < A-Tui> yes, but daily we live and talk usually with morroco people and not northamerican people
00:54 < A-Tui> and our gov is feeding a racist sense with people wich is much similar to us than northamericans
00:54 < mnemoc> but they took your rock (island?) on gibraltar :p
00:55 < A-Tui> yes, but that is not a simple question (we are in Ceuta, Melilla and Canarias) and that places are in Africa
00:55 < A-Tui> do you remember Malvinas Islands?
00:56 < A-Tui> should they are british or argentinas?
00:56 < mnemoc> british :P
00:56 * mnemoc kicks .ar
00:57 < A-Tui> XD
00:57 < A-Tui> not very long in time we was in the occidental sahara
01:00 < A-Tui> mnemoc, now here politic stuffs are very very hot
01:00 < A-Tui> this evening, ETA announce a "tregua" in the catalan region only
01:01 < mnemoc> hm? i haven't heard of ETA's bombs in a 'long' time...
01:04 < A-Tui> well, ETA is weak now (a lot of important members in prision), but the independence sense of a lot of regions is growing (like Cataluña)
01:05 < A-Tui> the last times ETA don't use bombs, they now used to kill discrete people (politicians and similar people)
01:05 < mnemoc> oh
01:06 < A-Tui> the union of this conuntry is (in my opinion) very weak now
01:10 < mnemoc> SMP: is german people happy to be from _germany_ or they want to split the country?
01:15 < SMP> hehe
01:15 < SMP> no, we're not going to have a civil war ;)
01:15 < SMP> in general everyone is happy and knows that we belong together
01:16 < mnemoc> i know you wont go to war, but politiacal authonomy or something like that?
01:16 < A-Tui> mmm i hope we won't have one war too :)
01:16 < A-Tui> we had one many time ago
01:17 < mnemoc> A-Tui: your kind of civil war is the worst
01:17 < SMP> mnemoc: nothing serious. I only know of one political party in Bavaria who wanted to make Bavaria an independent member of the European Union, but virtually nobody voted for them
01:17 < A-Tui> mnemoc, sure, and thw worst thing is that differences are not forgotten :(
01:18 < A-Tui> now there are two different spains like in the past :(
01:18 < SMP> in general, all these little fights are just for fun
01:19 < mnemoc> :o
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01:19 < mnemoc> A-Tui: only two?
01:19 < Smoke_> hi
01:19 < mnemoc> hi
01:19 < SMP> (ok, apart from the Saarland that should really be flushed down the toilet together with France ;P)
01:20 < mnemoc> SMP if you flush france, spain will go with it :p
01:20 < Smoke_> any quake3 players in here?
01:20 < mnemoc> wtf?
01:21 < Smoke_> lol guess not sry
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01:21 < SMP> mnemoc: that would be a pity, because then Portugal would have nothing to hang off from ;>
01:22 < A-Tui> the europe's countries which have more cheap extra hours in the works are Italia and Spain
01:22 < A-Tui> s/works/jobs
01:23 < A-Tui> and our president saying in USA that Spain is a rich country (it's very fun)
01:24 < mnemoc> argentina is the richest country of america, and kids dies of hungry. and they 'can't' pay their loans
01:26 < A-Tui> yes, very pathetic :(
01:31 < mnemoc> remember the 'corralito'? they could withdraw _only_ US$1000 of *cash* per capita per week, but there was no limit to electronic transactions. creadit cards were free od fees. (to track comerce and get the taxes payed)
01:32 < A-Tui> mmm what was the "corralito"?
01:32 < mnemoc> an economical law argentina create to try to pay they loans
01:33 < A-Tui> ahh ok
01:34 < A-Tui> how are now argentina's people?
01:34 < mnemoc> that finish with 4? presidents in a month
01:34 < mnemoc> A-Tui: they got a new loan and they got back to their fake life
01:35 < A-Tui> for how many time?
01:35 < A-Tui> :)
01:35 < A-Tui> mnemoc, and how are things in Chile? Here don't say much about you
01:38 < mnemoc> korea aproved a free-commerce agreement, uk and .no wants to over fee chilean salmon, and bolivia wants an slice (cutting chile into two) to get sovereignty in the whole route to a 'bolivian city at the pacific shore'
01:39 < SMP> and you didn't tell the Bolivians to go fuck themselves? ;)
01:39 < A-Tui> :)
01:40 < mnemoc> that's not politically correct considering only mexico is in our favor
01:41 < A-Tui> then in america things are not very well too
01:41 < mnemoc> chilean stability is not well recived by our neighbors
01:43 < mnemoc> we don't have real news... nothing happens here... pretty bored
01:43 < A-Tui> mmm sometimes to be bored it's a good signal
01:44 < A-Tui> i don't like the iraq *fun* for example
01:44 < A-Tui> maybe one day the world will be a good place where we can live without problems :)
01:46 < mnemoc> i don't think that will come. we will see china take the u.s. place in economy/power and that will be 'fun'
01:47 < SMP> yes, when the revolution comes and politicians, lawyers and a number of other enemies will all be shot
01:48 < A-Tui> :)
01:49 < mnemoc> only politicians, lawyers can be usefull with proper laws :p
01:51 < mnemoc> .oO( iso9002 certified country... mmm )
01:55 < A-Tui> :)
02:13 < mnemoc> question for the 'state of the art of the educated people' (SMP) the plural of virus is virii or viri?
02:13 < SMP> viruses
02:14 < mnemoc> :( ok
02:15 < SMP> http://www.perl.com/language/misc/virus.html
02:16 < mnemoc> oh... o whould never expect and articule like that at perl's
02:17 < mnemoc> thanks SMP
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03:41 < A-Tui> bunas noches a todos
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08:10 < netrunner> moin
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11:35 < daja77> moin
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12:06 < alanjwylie> is anybody working on an i2c patch for linux kernel 2.4.25?
12:06 < alanjwylie> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/oss/linux/i2c/i2c-2.8.1-2.4.23-rxr2.patch.bz2
12:06 < daja77> hi alanjwylie 
12:06 < daja77> dunno
12:06 < alanjwylie> won't apply
12:07 < alanjwylie> !> patching file include/linux/i2c-id.h
12:07 < alanjwylie> !> Hunk #2 FAILED at 91.
12:07 < alanjwylie> !> Hunk #3 succeeded at 119 (offset 3 lines).
12:07 < alanjwylie> !> Hunk #5 succeeded at 185 with fuzz 2 (offset 3 lines).
12:07 < alanjwylie> !> Hunk #6 FAILED at 227.
12:07 < alanjwylie> !> Hunk #7 FAILED at 274.
12:07 < alanjwylie> !> 3 out of 7 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file includ ..
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13:20 < darix> auto eth0
13:20 < darix> forward
13:20 < darix> interface eth0
13:20 < darix>         ip 172.16.0.46/30
13:21 < darix> normally it should mean enabling /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
13:21 < darix> correct?
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13:30 < mnemoc> darix: forward is part of the 'all' interface
13:30 < mnemoc> then you should enable it independently
13:31 < mnemoc> i.e. forward is not applied on 'auto'
13:31 < mnemoc> (moin)
13:32 < mnemoc> at least when i tested it, you couldn't add 'all' to auto statement
13:53 < darix> mnemoc: so the  example from the handbook is wrong?
13:53 < darix> mnemoc: see http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse23.html#x37-7500010.2 -> 10.2.8
13:56 < mnemoc> w8
14:01 < mnemoc> question: if you only have one interface why do u want to enable forward?
14:02 < darix> mnemoc: because its only the header of the config?
14:02 < darix> :)
14:02 < mnemoc> the example is ok, the problem que forward statement is that it can't (at least when i tested it) be enabled with: rocknet default auto up
14:03 < darix> mnemoc: i just reboot the boxes :)
14:03 < darix> umls to be exact :)
14:03 < mnemoc> :)
14:04 < mnemoc> if you want to use the forward statement add rocknet default all up to init.d/network start|stop
14:04 < darix> mnemoc: shouldnt this be default?
14:04 < darix> o.O
14:04 < darix> *wonders*
14:04 < mnemoc> me too :p
14:05 < mnemoc> or allow to add 'all' to auto list
14:10 < darix> that sounds like hack
14:10 < darix> :p
14:11 < mnemoc> yep
14:12 < darix> http://user.playforum.net/gallery/lineage2/59/401075942309.jpg
14:14 < mnemoc> uhm? is that a feature of the game or a 'casual bug' in rendering?
14:16 < darix> dunno :)
14:17 < mnemoc> ^^
14:26 * blindcoder playing with svn
14:30 < daja77> re
14:30 < blindcoder> brb
14:33 < mnemoc>  re darix 
14:33 < mnemoc> ehm
14:33 < mnemoc> re daja77 
14:33 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
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14:41 < darix> ok
14:41 < darix> i debugged a bit:
14:41 < darix> + public_forward all
14:41 < darix> + '[' none '!=' none ']'
14:41 < darix> + '[' auto '!=' all ']'
14:41 < darix> + return
14:41 < darix> it calls the forward function with 'auto' as param instead of 'all'
14:42 < darix> mnemoc: any ideas?
14:42 < mnemoc> call rocknet with 'all' instead of 'auto' 
14:43 < mnemoc> there is no bug or typo, it's a design mistake
14:43 < darix> mnemoc: its the startup script
14:43 < darix> /etc/init.d/network
14:43 < mnemoc> at init.d/network
14:44 < mnemoc> you need to call rocknet twice
14:44 < darix> mnemoc: thats a hack that sounds stupid.
14:45 < mnemoc> yep
14:45 < mnemoc> it's stupid
14:46 < mnemoc> but rocknet needs deep work to support this 'all' in a clever way
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14:50 < holyolli> moin
14:51 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 
14:51 < daja77> moin holyolli 
14:52 < holyolli> hi mnemoc, daja77
14:54 < rolla> re
14:55 < mnemoc> re rolla 
14:56 * rolla gets to do a oracle upgrade today :)
14:56 < mnemoc> rolla: happy?
14:56 < daja77> hehe
15:00 < rolla> yeah
15:01 < rolla> it is a fun thing to do
15:03 < mnemoc> don't forget the _great_speech_ before starting
15:03 < daja77> lol
15:04 < rolla> great speech ?
15:08 < mnemoc> every american movie has it's great speech just before the climax :p
15:08 < daja77> lol
15:09 < daja77> mnemoc: you are not only the channel slut, but the most enterning part of it too
15:10 < mnemoc> :p
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15:15 < rolla> anyone here have a amd64 yet?
15:16 < darix> rolla: we run gentoo on it 
15:17 * mnemoc kicks darix 
15:17 < darix> mnemoc: the guy who owns the box loves gentoo.
15:17 < rolla> mnemoc: why did you kick him
15:17 < darix> not my decision
15:17 < mnemoc> forgiven
15:17 < rolla> mnemoc:  I have gentoo on my Athlon MP
15:18 * rolla only has one box with rock on it due to no recent stable release
15:18 < mnemoc> :(
15:18 * darix runs rocklinux only in uml. im not bored enough for src based distros:p
15:19 < rolla> mnemoc: don't give me that look
15:19 < cytrinox`> moin
15:19 < daja77> hehe
15:19 * mnemoc sad
15:19 < rolla> if there was a stable build newer than 1.4 I might use it
15:21 < mnemoc> i know... i had similar 'problems' in a couple of places :( 
15:22 * daja77 just never spoke about stable and unstable stuff
15:22 < darix> stable is just a label for the business people
15:24 < daja77> well it was just that there was never sth like a stable rtai distro otherwise ^^
15:25 < rolla> darix: it never builds right 
15:25 < rolla> that means it is not stable
15:26 < rolla> I can wait gentoo works very well for me right now
15:39 < blindcoder> re
15:48 < mnemoc> re blindcoder 
16:15 < mnemoc> rl domains down again :(
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16:30 < rolla> mnemoc: why?
16:30 < blindcoder> www.rocklinux.net works fine here
16:30 < mnemoc> dns, but they are back again
16:33 < rolla> are the dns servers going down alot?
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17:34 < rolla> yuawn
17:37 < mnemoc> reyawn
17:37 < blindcoder> where is rxr when you need him...
17:38 < rolla> not here :)
17:38 < daja77> blindcoder: what are you doin?
17:38 < blindcoder> daja77: trying to svn import LVP
17:39 < daja77> cool
17:39 < mnemoc> blindcoder: /join #subversion :)
17:39 < mnemoc> or ping darix
17:39 < daja77> nope #svn is the name
17:39 < darix> o.O
17:39 < daja77> hehe
17:39 < darix> it wasnt me!
17:40 < mnemoc> =)
17:40 < darix> mnemoc: its #svn btw
17:40 < daja77> as i said before ^^
17:40 < mnemoc> hm... that's why i'am alone there? :'(
17:41 < daja77> hehe
17:41 < blindcoder> I always get "connection is read-only" >_<
17:41 < darix> blindcoder: you are sure you use the url with the RW support?
17:41 < darix> blindcoder: it must be another one than the RO public url
17:45 < blindcoder> I only know that one...
17:52 < mnemoc> jsaw has write access for rockplug, ask him :p
17:52 < mnemoc> jsaw jsaw jsaw jsaw 
17:53 * blindcoder is currently rebuilding subversion with webdav support
17:53 < blindcoder> then trying that one
17:57 < praenti> hi
17:58 < daja77> ho praenti 
17:59 < blindcoder> hi praenti 
18:01 < mnemoc> hi praenti 
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18:49 < blindcoder> hmm
18:49 < blindcoder> now I get a 500 ...
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20:45 < tsa> hi
20:46 < tsa> anyone successfully running Linux 2.6.x?
20:48 < rolla> yup
20:49 < darix> tsa: a must have on x86_64
20:50 < tsa> just tried 2.6.3 for the first time
20:50 < tsa> installed module-init-tools.
20:50 < tsa> compiled kernel.
20:50 < tsa> installed kernel. rebooted.
20:50 < tsa> "could not mount root.."
20:50 < tsa> i have
20:50 < tsa> image=/boot/263
20:50 < tsa>         label=rock26
20:50 < tsa>         append="root=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target8/lun0/part2"
20:51 < tsa> works without any problems for 2.4.x, but 2.6 just fscking panics.
20:52 < tsa> any ideas/recommendations?
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21:03 < tfing> tsa: it works for me with such a lilo.conf so unless you forgot to select mount devfs at boot in the kernel configuration, i don't see
21:04 < tsa> $ grep DEVFS /usr/src/linux-2.6.3/.config
21:04 < tsa> CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y
21:04 < tsa> CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y
21:05 < tfing> yep
21:05 < tfing> i know it's not the first kernel you compile with devfs enabled :)
21:06 < tsa> hehe...indeed.
21:28 < mnemoc> uhm... sams' Unix® Shell Programming, Third Edition doesn't cover awk :|
21:30 < rolla> what
21:32 < tsa> just a wild guess: they're describing how to effectively use the csh and there was no space left for awk-related stuff ;-)
21:33 < mnemoc> a whole chapter to 'passing arguments, $# and $1'
21:34 < netrunner> tsa: maybe something with scsi in your 2.6 kernel only a module?
21:34 < mnemoc> inifdelity is expensive... /me back to o'reilly
22:13 < daja77> re
22:14 < mnemoc> re darix 
22:15 < mnemoc> :|
22:15 < daja77> ^^
22:15 < mnemoc> re daja77 
22:15 * mnemoc kicks mnemoc
22:15 < daja77> don't worry
22:15 < daja77> darix deserves some triggering
22:16 < mnemoc> :)
22:20 * netrunner flashing zaurus
22:21 < daja77> :)
22:21 < daja77> hi netrunner 
22:21 < netrunner> ah, finished, first reboot. hi daja77 
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22:53 < mnemoc> there is any 'control version software' which handle symlinks as symlinks?
23:07 < darix> mnemoc: its on the todo for svn
23:07 < darix> dunno if arch already handles it 
23:07 < darix> and dunno too about bitkeeper or perfoce
23:07 < darix> perforce
23:08 < mnemoc> how log-priority on svn's todo?
23:10 < darix> mnemoc: atm its stabilization and bug fixing
23:10 < darix> svn v1.0 is next step
23:10 < mnemoc> :)
23:12 < darix> atm they discuss the version number scheme :)
23:16 < mnemoc> oh
23:17 < mnemoc> but that's easier that discussing a project rename :p
23:19 < darix> why rename?
23:20 < mnemoc> why tryed to discuss that once :)
23:20 < mnemoc> we*
23:20 < daja77> yep senseless debate
23:20 < tsa> netrunner: no - no modules at all. and yes, i have the scsi stuff compiled in - tried both aic7xxx and aic7xxx_old
23:21 < tsa> guess i should buy some crappy ide discs ;-)
23:38 < rolla> :0
23:46 < esdentem> hi all
23:54 < daja77> hi esden!
23:59 < mnemoc> hi esdentem 
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