--- Log opened Fri Feb 20 00:00:19 2004
00:00 < daja77> n8 you all
00:00 < mnemoc> n8 darix 
00:00 < mnemoc> :(
00:00 < daja77> haha!
00:01 * mnemoc kicks mnemoc badly
00:01 < daja77> .oO (darix needs another nick)
00:01 < mnemoc> irssi needs better nick completition :D
00:02 < daja77> you can load a perl skript for that
00:02 < daja77> anyway off now
00:03 < mnemoc> n8 *daja77*
00:03 * tfing claps at mnemoc's performance =)
00:04 < mnemoc> :'(
00:04 < Aard> pineapple anyone?
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00:12 < darix> mnemoc: irssi resorts the nicks. i was the last one you talked to. so it moved me before daja77 
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00:13 < darix> and irssi rules :)
00:13 < darix> checkout http://www.irssi.de./ :)
00:14 < mnemoc> darix: thanks :)
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00:14 < esdentem> humm ... should I install fedora or rocklinux on this nice machine here ...
00:15 < esdentem> hmm ... I think fedora ... the stable release is more up to date then the stable rocklinux version ... 
00:16 < esdentem> or perhups even gentoo?
00:16 < mnemoc> gentoo-hardened? :'(
00:16 < darix> .oO( or suse 9. )o
00:17 < esdentem> no ... suse sucks 
00:17 < esdentem> it is less stable and usable then rock
00:17 < mnemoc> mandrake!!
00:17 < darix> esdentem:  it doesnt :p
00:17 < darix> esdentem: it works quite fine here :p
00:17 < esdentem> no ... I had only problems with suse last time I checked
00:17 < darix> esdentem: you tried to convince me 2y ago already :p
00:17 < esdentem> and that was 9 some weeks ago
00:18 < darix> esdentem: next chance will be linux tag in in chemnitz :)
00:18 < esdentem> hehe ... I will not try to convince you
00:18 < esdentem> others may want to try it ...
00:23 < sten> mnemoc: how is the generic/minimal build coming along?
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00:25 < A-Tui> hola
00:33 < darix> *svn up*
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02:10 < mnemoc> re
02:15 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc
02:17 < mnemoc> hola A-Tui 
02:21 < mnemoc> sten: finishing stage 9
03:25 < sten> mnemoc: hmm.  Do you think the iso will be available within three hours?
03:25 < sten> mnemoc: (available to d/l that is)
03:25 < tsa> hm...does clifford have write access to the svn repository?
03:26 < tsa> all those pending patches are getting on my nerves.
03:29 < tsa> and maybe i should even consider sleeping at night and working during the day.
03:45 < mnemoc> sten: ready... i'll have to install dietlibc locally to finish bootdisk creation, the generate the iso, and after that upload somewhere
03:46 < mnemoc> tsa: go to sleep, they patches will still there when your wake up :p
03:46 < mnemoc> Error logs from minimal-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert:
03:46 < mnemoc> 461 builds total, 461 completed fine, 0 with errors.
03:46 < mnemoc> Error logs from boot-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert:
03:47 < mnemoc> 156 builds total, 156 completed fine, 0 with errors.
03:48 < mnemoc>   [11:44:06 PM] Creating minimal-rev2366-pmmx_cd1.iso ...
03:48 < mnemoc>   [11:44:31 PM] Done. Have fun!
03:49 < mnemoc> anyone knows how to upload to iso.rocklinux.de?
03:50 < darix> mnemoc: how many packages are in thie minimal thingie?
03:50 < darix> how big is the final build?
03:51 < mnemoc> # grep "^X" config/minimal/packages | wc -l
03:51 < mnemoc>     199
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03:52 < mnemoc> # du -sh build/minimal-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/
03:52 < mnemoc> 1.1G    build/minimal-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root
03:52 < mnemoc> a little fat :\
03:52 < darix> mnemoc: hmm
03:53 < mnemoc> well... minimal/generic includes linux24,26, all modules, gcc33, etc...
03:53 < mnemoc> glibc23...
03:55 < darix> ic
03:55 < mnemoc> # du -sh minimal-rev2366-pmmx_*
03:55 < mnemoc> 235M    minimal-rev2366-pmmx_cd1.iso.bz2
03:56 < mnemoc> 8.0K    minimal-rev2366-pmmx_index.txt.bz2
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03:56 < mnemoc> .oO( where can i upload this iso? )
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03:58 < mnemoc> blindcoder: do u know how to upload to iso.rl.de?
03:59 < sten> mnemoc: did you run into any snags with generic/minimal?
03:59 < mnemoc> a few, but they were solved
03:59 < sten> mnemoc: were they the one's I mentioned?
03:59 < mnemoc> sten: nope 
03:59 < sten> mnemoc: weird...
04:00 < mnemoc> yeah
04:00 < sten> mnemoc: did you ever halt your build, call ./scripts/Build-Target 5-glibc, then resume it?
04:01 < sten> mnemoc: s/Build-Target/stage-foo_pkg
04:01 < mnemoc> not exactly that... i have 'rebuild broken pacakge' and 'abort on failure' set
04:02 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Build-Target -job 5-glibc to build only that
04:03 < sten> mnemoc: ah.  I manually killed the build; ./scripts/Cleanup; then rebuild only glibc, because that was the only problem, then resumed the build with ./scripts/Build-Target.  (it's not the proper way to halt, so could that be the issue?)
04:03 < sten> mnemoc: how would ./scripts/Build-Target respond so a SIGKILL?
04:04 < mnemoc> ^C is trapped, so you can consider it 'safe'
04:05 < tsa> ^c will cause sigint, not sigkill.
04:05 < sten> sigint?
04:05 < tsa> see signal(7)
04:06 < sten> Interupt...
04:07 < tsa> Build-Target cannot respond to sigkill at all. sigkill can't be handled. 
04:07 < mnemoc> but... if you kill Build-Pkg, the worse case is 'lot of mount --bind' in src.* dir.... which are umounted by Cleanup
04:08 < tsa> sigkill means immediate termination of a process - no way to handle that.
04:08 < mnemoc> and the log as .out which is also handled
04:10 < mnemoc> sten: anywhere to upload the image?
04:10 < tsa> judging from a quick grep on the build scripts, they're only handling sigint. kill sends a sigterm when used without any specific command line options.
04:13 < mnemoc> ^C is trapped ^^
04:14 < tsa> yes - thats sigint.
04:14 < tsa> Build-Pkg:      trap 'echo "Got SIGINT (Crtl-C). Aborting build." ; exit 1' INT
04:15 < tsa> whatever. sigxcpu for me now. need sleep.
04:15 < tsa> cya.
04:15 < mnemoc> LOL! y-windows uses tla "Y--devel--0.2--patch-1 (2004-01-29) 
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04:21 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep in 13 minutes, so... give me an ftp or http soon
04:21 < mnemoc> uhm... i guess 240M is too much for http
04:26 < sten> mnemoc: hm, the only servers I have running on my box are X11 & ssh
04:28 < sten> mnemoc: do you want to upload that iso via sftp?  (since you easily could have backdoored my new installation, it is relatively low risk to give you the opportunity to corrupt my current one)
04:29 < mnemoc> sten: ok
04:30 < mnemoc> gimme the keys of your house
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09:29 < daja77> moin
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10:17 < holyolli> moin
10:33 < rxr> re
10:33 < rxr> moin all
10:33 < daja77> hi rxr
10:33 < holyolli> moin rxr, daja77
10:33 < daja77> hi holyolli 
10:37 < netrunner> moin rxr, daja77, holyolli 
10:37 < daja77> huhu netrunner 
10:38 < netrunner> daja77: how went your makros?
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10:38 < daja77> it was horrible
10:38 < netrunner> oh :(
10:39 < daja77> and yours?
10:39 < netrunner> 2.0
10:39 < daja77> cool
10:40 < netrunner> jup. forgot some buzzwords ... but still in my target area :)
10:40 < daja77> hehe
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11:12 < rxr> Error logs from install-2.0.0-rc5-x86-i386-32-bootdisk-expert:
11:12 < rxr>                                                                                 
11:12 < rxr>  [5] 961 base/glibc23
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11:12 < rxr> 159 builds total, 158 completed fine, 1 with errors.
11:13 < daja77> glibc?
11:14 < sten> rxr:  What do you think of this title?  (it's for a Target I'm thinking of creating, which draws inspiration from Gentoo, traditional ROCK ambience from my memories of ROCK 1.4-rescue, and resources from generic/minimal; plus a bit of creativity)
11:14 < sten> EFACBOR
11:14 < sten> Environment for a Clean Build of ROCK
11:14 < rxr> daja77: see list and submaster - should be fixed now
11:15 < daja77> k.
11:15 < rxr> sten: the minimal target should qualify for this purpose
11:15 < rxr> or the minimal+xfree one even ...
11:15 < rxr> err - package selection template I meant - not target ...
11:16 < daja77> *gg*
11:16 < sten> rxr: I've had headache's building on my current system, and miss the old rescue.tar.bz2's.  (when 2.0 is released, will there be generic/minimal [+xfree] iso's available?)
11:17 < rxr> sten: I would say: depends on contributors ...
11:17 < daja77> :)
11:19 < rxr> sten: if you have time to donate for a minimal build for each ROCK Linux release I would release those iso's very happily ...
11:19 < rxr> cu all later ...
11:19 < sten> rxr: ah.  Well, mnemoc built a generic/minimal for me, and sftp'd it to me.  Once my system is humming a stable tune, I'd be happy to help with getting a minimal iso ready
11:19 < sten> later
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12:56 < sten> what is the standard way to update /usr/src/rock-src to subversion (stable) trunk?
12:58 < darix> sten: trunk != stable ;)
12:59 < darix> trunk is the place where the development happens
13:02 < sten> yeah, I see that now.  For some reason I though trunk was stable, because I found it on the "Download 2.0" page
13:02 < darix> sten: 2.0 is at rc5 atm :)
13:02 < darix> or rc6
13:03 < sten> darix: out of curiousity, is linux26-header a safe choice yet?
13:03 < darix> if you use a 2.6 kernel?
13:03 < sten> yeah
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13:19 < holyolli> re
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13:26 < mnemoc> moin
13:27 < holyolli> hi mnemoc
13:27 < mnemoc> hi holyolli 
13:28 < mnemoc> sten: how was the iso?
13:29 < sten> mnemoc: I'm working on the installation right now.  (trying to migrate to linux26-header)
13:31 < sten> mnemoc: err, I mean, I'm working on the running system which the installation provided.  (it didn't boot, by the way.  I used my 1 of 3 dROCK cd to boot to stage2)
13:36 < mnemoc> :|
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13:36 < mnemoc> btw, you only need linux-header to build libc
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13:44 < sten> mnemoc: I get tons of errors whenever I "mine -r foopackage"
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13:56 < mnemoc> sten: directory not empty is a damn old bug on mine :(
13:57 < sten> mnemoc: if it only complained "/etc/foo not empty" then it would be a feature
14:03 < mnemoc> sten: it complains before removing it's files of the directories
14:03 < mnemoc> sten: /etc/* file should not get removed
14:06 < sten> mnemoc: is there any way to rebuild everything?  I've cut out some unecessary cruft, and would like to remove dependencies by rebuilding
14:14 < sten> mnemoc: hmm, I'm getting errors relating to glibc. (I'm installing the glibc from rc4, to see if the problem remains constant)
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14:24 < rxr> re
14:25 < rxr> rocklinux-consulting.de moved into uni
14:25 < rxr> if you find a missing service please inform me now, since I
14:25 < rxr> 'll be away in some minutes ...
14:26 < rxr> and subversion access should now bw much faster
14:27 < rxr> due to the 100Mbit internet connect ...
14:27 < mnemoc> # svn up
14:27 < mnemoc> *updating*
14:28 < mnemoc> Updated to revision 2376.
14:28 < mnemoc> rxr: where can i upload a minimal-pmmx iso for testing?
14:29 < rxr> I have no open http/ftp write setups ...
14:29 < rxr> can I pull it somewhere
14:29 < rxr> ?
14:29 < mnemoc> nope :(
14:30 < mnemoc> sten: can you share it with sten?
14:30 < mnemoc> sten: can you share it with rxr?
14:30 < mnemoc> uhm... he is gone
14:30 < mnemoc> i sftp it to him last night...
14:31 < rxr> mnemoc: what is needed for sftp on my side?
14:31 < rxr> (I must admit I never set it up ...)
14:31 < mnemoc> just ssh2 account and a home directory
14:31 < rxr> so you can also ssh 
14:32 < rxr> or can I give you a /bin/false bash?
14:32 < mnemoc> i guess so, but never tried
14:32 < mnemoc> i just use sftp between my own accounts
14:33 < mnemoc> Subsystem       sftp    /usr/libexec/sftp-server <--- this on sshd_config does the trick
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14:44 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
14:45 < rxr> hi
14:45 < blindcoder> hi rxr
14:45 < rxr> blindcoder: btw. do you also have spare SPARC Stations? or just the IPX?
14:46 < blindcoder> praenti has all of them and some spare hardware
14:48 < rolla> re
14:49 < rxr> how may stations do you both have over there?
14:49 < blindcoder> hm... we could probbly make 4 machines
14:49 < daja77> re
14:49 < blindcoder> moin daja77 
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14:50 < daja77> hi blindy
14:50 < rxr> blindcoder: do you have s.th. to do work those boxes - or could you spare one for ROCK testing?
14:51 < blindcoder> please talk with praenti about that, I don't have time for ROCK porting atm.
14:52 < holyolli> rxr: I have now an account on an ES40...and I may compile some binaries on that machine..so hopefully I can continue some work on alpha
14:52 < rxr> holyolli: great
14:53 < rxr> blindcoder: the SPARC stuff is in quite a good shape
14:53 < holyolli> does anyone of you has experience with linux-vserver?
14:53 < blindcoder> that's nice to hear, I have to install a SS20 for my employer :)
14:54 < rxr> blindcoder: I do not yet have installable media
14:54 < rxr> but could have hopefully next week
14:54 < rxr> but a sparc SS would be nice for testing ...
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14:55 < blindcoder> I have 2 9GB discs in there which I'd like to set up as a RAID, so if that's possible I'd owe you a beer :)
14:56 < rxr> hm that should be no problem - the bigger problem is getting the initial files on it ...
14:56 < tfing> holyolli: mnemoc is the maintainer of vserver packages for rock
14:56 < blindcoder> booting from some other distros install media?
14:56 < mnemoc> :)
14:57 < tfing> i guess he has some knowledge then ;)
14:57 < rxr> blindcoder: this is also messy since they often miss bzip2 not to speak about mine ...
14:57 < blindcoder> hmm
14:57 < blindcoder> true
14:57 < rxr> blindcoder: I schedule a first bootable CD for SPARC as top priority for my next free hours ...
14:58 < daja77> wow
14:58 < blindcoder> rxr: don't haste yourself, that machine has at least 3 weeks time left
14:58 < blindcoder> probably more
14:58 < rxr> if there is nothing really buggy in the toolchain it could work by next week
14:58 < rxr> blindcoder: and what also such with other install media is the absense of DevFS ...
14:59 < rxr> so - but now I have to go (otherwise I
14:59 < rxr> 'll get problems with Susan ...) so see you later 
14:59 < rxr> and if problems with the moved server raise up feel free to call my cellphone 
14:59 < rxr> cu
15:00 < holyolli> cu2
15:00 < daja77> cu rxr
15:02 < mnemoc> cu rxr
15:03 < daja77> wrong cksum in povray O_o
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15:28 * blindcoder also gone
15:28 < blindcoder> daja77: that means new version
15:38 < mnemoc> damn clip compiler! ... it prefered my public $foo instead of the static $foo of the module of the function which call it :(
15:40 < mnemoc> a 'symbol redifined' warning could be nicer than hand tracing it for two fsking days!!!
15:46 < holyolli> hm. is it possible to compile rock as a non-root-user?
15:46 < holyolli> <-- never tried it..
15:46 < tfing> it won't work since you need to chroot
15:46 < tfing> someone got flamed on the ml about that :)
15:46 < holyolli> ah..of couse
15:46 < holyolli> hehe
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15:51 < mnemoc> holyolli: vserver is a good place to rock if you feel unconfortable with being root
15:51 < rolla> vserver?
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15:52 < mnemoc> like uml but without the yet-another-kernel-running overhead
15:52 < holyolli> mnemoc: i had some problems to start my vserver..i took my files/scripts from my host, but it complains about some errors in /etc/rc.d/rc
15:53 < tfing> but uml can be launched by a user, vservers should be launched by root
15:53 < mnemoc> tfing: vservers are created by root, you can make users to directly 'join' that context on login
15:54 < tfing> yep, but that can be a problem if you are not the administrator of the machine
15:55 < mnemoc> tfing: ack
15:55 < mnemoc> holyolli: vserver don't 'set the enviroment' it just receive it
15:56 < mnemoc> then most of the rc must be droped
15:56 < holyolli> mnemoc: ah
15:56 < mnemoc> holyolli: you also have to consider contexts are limited by capabilities, even for root
15:56 < mnemoc> so to do 'root' things you have to give the right capability to that context
15:57 < mnemoc> if not, root is only another user
15:57 < holyolli> mnemoc: hm. do you know any location where i can download something like a sample-vserver?
15:58 < mnemoc> holyolli: there are scripts for creating vserver from existing fedora, redhat or debian boxes
15:59 < holyolli> mnemoc: i tried them...but they didn't work under rock...(but honestly i have to say that i didn't spent a lot of time for it)
15:59 < holyolli> but i'll try
15:59 < daja77> blindcoder: new version without version change?
16:01 < mnemoc> holyolli: http://www.jvds.com/vserver/
16:01 < holyolli> mnemoc: thx
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16:05 < MadTux> moin.
16:05 < rolla> re
16:06 < holyolli> hola MadTux :)
16:07 < daja77> hi MadTux 
16:07 * daja77 filing bugreport atm
16:08 < mnemoc> wb MadTux 
16:08 < mnemoc> daja77: which bug?
16:09 < MadTux> hello rolla, alcoholly, daja77, mnemocy and everyone else :)
16:10 < tfing> j0 MadTux 
16:11 < MadTux> tfing, greetings.
16:17 < daja77> bug in scripts/Download
16:18 < daja77> https://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/?do=details&id=212
16:18 < mnemoc> daja77: can you paste in on query, my dsl is melting (sftp iso upload) :(
16:19 < mnemoc> everything times out
16:19 < daja77> done
16:20 < mnemoc> o_O
16:21 < daja77> aaaargh /me dumb
16:21 < daja77> tired or whatever
16:22 < mnemoc> are you sure (i guess so) about that wierd bug?? i see no relation between Download and Build-Tagrget
16:22 < mnemoc> hm?
16:23 < daja77> just forget about it
16:23 < daja77> closed it
16:23 < daja77> me is screwed
16:24 < daja77> at least i close tasks ...
16:24 < mnemoc> ^^
16:24 * daja77 pissed that ypbind init script bug is still open
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16:28 < daja77> mnemoc: well i have some troubles like that sometimes, have to dig into that before reopen the task
16:30 < daja77> btw i get a cksum err for clip patch-1.1.8-2*
16:35 < mnemoc> unversioned crap :( [D] 3518916707 patch-1.1.8-3.tgz !...
16:36 * daja77 again porting rtai patch
16:36 < mnemoc> he send an empty mail with subject="new patch.tgz uploaded" and that's all
16:37 < daja77> this sucks
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16:41 * tfing puts a curl -L http://www.distrowatch.com/rock in his crontab
16:41 < daja77> hi tfing 
16:42 < tfing> hi daja77 
16:44 < darix> tfing: wouldnt it be easier to sync the svn regularly?
16:44 < daja77> hehe
16:45 < tfing> darix: no, it's just to increase the number of hits per day on distrowatch for rock
16:45 < darix> tfing: release a patched emule ;)
16:45 < darix> its more effective
16:47 * daja77 does the happy dance
16:48 * darix buts the lag into daja77's way ;)
16:53 * daja77 kicks darix 
16:59 < mnemoc> clip's debugger is kind of fun.... you run the app on one tty in --debug mode, and start a command line console on another tty
17:57 * rolla begins to polish his CV :)
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18:01 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
18:02 < rolla> hallo blindcoder 
18:05 < daja77> hi blindcoder & rolla 
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19:43 < nookie> Hola
20:02 < mnemoc> rolla: looking for new job?
20:02 < mnemoc> hola nookie 
20:04 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy
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20:04 < MadTux> re
20:05 < blindy> moin MadTux!
20:05 < MadTux> hi blindy!
20:05 < mnemoc> moin MadTux 
20:05 < blindy> msg nickserv HELP REGISTER
20:05 < blindy> narf
20:05 < MadTux> hehe
20:05 < MadTux> u are actually gonna stick with blindy? :)
20:06 < blindy> yes
20:06 < blindy> most people now abbreviate it like this, so I thought... what the hell
20:07 < MadTux> hehe
20:07 < blindy> also, it doesn't brand me as a geek immediately ;)
20:07 < MadTux> hahaha
20:07 < MadTux> well why do u worry.. you are not alone anymore 
20:08 < MadTux> :)
20:08 < blindy> ehm
20:08 < blindy> who says that?
20:08 < blindy> after all I know, I'm still single
20:09 < MadTux> i heard u had a beauty at your place
20:09 < blindy> well... I see some beautiful girls/women sometimes, yes...
20:09 < blindy> one of those is delivering my pizza :(
20:10 < blindy> :)
20:10 < MadTux> hehehe
20:10 < MadTux> u must ask her to take the day off and stay to have fun with u 
20:10 < MadTux> ;)
20:10 * MadTux Now Powered by Gentoo
20:10 * blindy ponders
20:11 < blindy> might be worth a try :)
20:11 < MadTux> hehe
20:11 < tfing> MadTux: and you're sayin' that on #rocklinux !
20:12 < MadTux> tfing: I know.
20:12 < MadTux> but thx for pointing it out.
20:12 < tfing> ;P
20:12 < MadTux> tfing: I just won't wait any longer stable.
20:17 < MadTux> is it really such a big sin? 
20:17 < MadTux> Blindy are still alive?
20:18 < blindy> blindy: sure
20:18 < blindy> I'm currently playing with a local svn-repositore
20:18 < MadTux> ah i see
20:18 < tfing> MadTux: you sure will be damned
20:18 < blindy> s/e$/y/
20:19 < MadTux> ping mnemoc 
20:19 < MadTux> tfing: not really.
20:20 < blindy> MadTux: mnemoc has autoignored you as you said "Gentoo" :)
20:21 < MadTux> blindy: well.. i was going to give him shell to my cluster.. too bad he ignored me
20:21 < fake> hi
20:22 < MadTux> hello fake 
20:22 * fake at the indy
20:23 < fake> praenti wants a bootable cd, so he will get one...
20:23 < fake> ;)
20:24 < MadTux> :)
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20:34 < rolla> re
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20:39 < mnemoc> uff... reply finished.... /me should have been an story teller in a past life
20:39 < mnemoc> MadTux: pong
20:40 < MadTux> hehe
20:40 < MadTux> hello mnemocy
20:41 < mnemoc> hello!
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20:43 < nookie> heya nmemoc
20:43 < nookie> mnemoc
20:43 < mnemoc> nookie!
20:43 < nookie> jow
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20:46 * mnemoc wonders if his last mail has too much implicit violence
20:47 < SMP> mnemoc: your Pharaoh metaphor is awesome ;)
20:47 < blindy> mnemoc: *lol*
20:47 < blindy> nice story :)
20:47 < mnemoc> =)
20:47 < fake> wooho.
20:47 < SMP> problem is - it doesn't apply ;)
20:47 < mnemoc> :(
20:47 < mnemoc> dammit :'(
20:47 < fake> rock on indy.
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20:48 < mnemoc> last thing i did on indy was irix5.3+afs :p
20:48 < armijn> heh, rock 2.0 still approaching?
20:49 < mnemoc> it's just around the corner
20:49 < armijn> well, back in my days we had 1.6 approaching!
20:49 < armijn> ah, those were the days...
20:49 < fake> mnemoc: if you're interested in bootable rock-install-cds for the indy with 8bit gfx, i could give you my paypal acc data *g*
20:49 < SMP> our subversion trunk god moved his Olymp ;)
20:49 < mnemoc> :\
20:49 < armijn> fake: what about 24 bit gfx :)
20:50 < mnemoc> armijn: the paypal account still there :)
20:50 < fake> armijn: i doubt even SGI remembers how this hardware works
20:50 < armijn> heh, the cards are both supported by linux afaik
20:50 < armijn> and otherwise I still got IRIX...never installed that, might be a good learning experience 
20:51 < fake> 24bit? no
20:51 < armijn> you sure?
20:51 < fake> the only card supported is the newport 8bit card.
20:51 < fake> absolutely
20:51 < armijn> really sure?
20:51 < fake> yes
20:51 < armijn> absolutely definitely sure?
20:51 * armijn in nag mode
20:51 < armijn> >-)
20:52 < armijn> today I had some `fun' with JDS
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20:52 < armijn> btw, hi all
20:52 < mnemoc> hi armijn 
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20:53 < SMP> what the hell does kopete use linux/if_ppp.h and wireless-tools for ...
20:54 < fake> SMP: that's for the hidden trojan functionaluty
20:55 < SMP> well if you ask me, kopete is one mighty big trojan horse ...
20:55 < fake> but it supports mutiple smiley types! even themeable!
20:55 < mnemoc> considering how i know duncan i warranty you it has more than a couple of 'tricky code'
20:55 * blindy --> bed
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20:56 < fake> n8 blindy
20:56 < mnemoc> n8 blindcoder
20:56 < mnemoc> :p
20:56 * SMP noticed he was stupid when he made the psi 0.9 package ;)
20:56 < SMP> but it's fixed in the 0.9.1 update ;)
20:56 < armijn> heh, SMP said he's stupid... 
20:56 < SMP> (which went to submaster right now)
20:57 < SMP> (and don't forget to check out the pv package! incredibly cool!)
20:57 < fake> what is pv?
20:58 < SMP> pipeviewer. connects stdin (and/or file(s) to stdout and measures volume and speed of data moving through it
20:59 < fake> SMP: could be used to gather randomness, but what other use would it be good for?
20:59 < mnemoc> SMP: why my methafor doesn't apply?
20:59 < tfing> hmm, mnemoc takes us in a egyptian trip
21:00 < praenti> netrunner || daja77: what name has the lxtag chemnitz channel?
21:00 < SMP> fake: to monitor an generate_lots_of_data | process_data operation
21:01 < fake> ah...
21:01 < SMP> only thing missing is an option for counting lines (think tar -v | pv)
21:03 < fake> i still have no clue what i could use that for, but i'll check it out ;)
21:03 < daja77> #rock-lxtagchem
21:04 < SMP> mnemoc: because Clifford didn't tell Rene to build 'his' pyramid
21:04 < praenti> daja77: thx. i had to reboot my ultra1...
21:04 < daja77> :)
21:04 < fake> this sounds like i should check my mail
21:04 < SMP> mnemoc: Rene is free to build it as he wants
21:05 < mnemoc> SMP: ic
21:06 < mnemoc> it was a 'build me a gift' or a 'build me your dream'?
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21:09 < SMP> mnemoc: more like 'build what you think is good'
21:11 < mnemoc> well... it changes a bit my impression but the job is equally ambiguous
21:13 < SMP> hmm, kopete still sucks
21:15 < mnemoc> neither a great community can change the impact of a complete lame 'project leader' on a project
21:15 < mnemoc> .oO( FYI i'm taliing about kopete )
21:17 < SMP> what wrong with the kopete people?
21:17 < mnemoc> only duncan mac vicar
21:17 < mnemoc> i have had a amazing expirence of working with him
21:17 < mnemoc> more than a few time
21:19 < mnemoc> thinking a bit about i guess he is the only person i really hate on my university
21:20 < SMP> oh! I didn't notice he's from Chile
21:21 < fake> go beat him up ;)
21:22 < mnemoc> i have been really close to that two times but did control my instincts :p
21:22 < fake> you sound vulcan
21:22 < mnemoc> =)
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21:40 < daja77> :)
22:31 * netrunner just gave beginners lession in iso/osi
22:32 < mnemoc> network's layers stuff??
22:36 < netrunner> jup. my gf wanted to know how to build up her own pc, and how network communication works :=)
22:36 < fake> Please Do Not Throw Salami Pizza Away
22:37 < fake> P D N T S P A ;)
22:38 < mnemoc> =)
22:38 < netcrow> OSI/ISO?
22:39 < netcrow> nice ;)
22:40 * netrunner gave her a pc she will install linux on it tomorrow :)
22:44 < mnemoc> netrunner: what linux?
22:49 < netrunner> mnemoc: probably knoppix, because it's the mmx that won't boot our install cds :(
22:55 * fake building qt33/kde32
22:56 < fake> any reason why it's not in the default trunk?
22:58 < mnemoc> it's a branch, and it's waiting rene's return to get merged
23:15 < fake> soll ich dir ein typisches stage2 schicken?
23:15 < fake> uh
23:15 < mnemoc> :(
23:16 < fake> that was ment to be in a query.
23:16 < netrunner> mnemoc: "shall I send you a typical stage2" ... obviously wrong channel ;)
23:17 < netrunner> fake: ;)
23:17 < mnemoc> yep :)
23:17 < fake> not really, it is a rock stage2 i'm talking about, bootdisk target
23:21 < netrunner> hm ... http://www.bewilders.us/photos/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Bewildering_Pics&id=budget48
23:23 < netcrow> is a p4-optimized iso available?
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23:31 < netrunner> netcrow: I have one here, but's not the latest ... built it for my laptop, it's like -rc2 or so
23:32 < netcrow> hmhm
23:32 < netcrow> hm, i can wait ;-)
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23:43 < MadTux> hello
23:43 < MadTux> daja77: awake
23:43 < fake> kde 3.2 has an XRandR app
23:43 < fake> i can rotate my display *rofl*
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23:50 < netcrow> me too, physical ;-)
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