--- Log opened Sat Feb 21 00:00:33 2004
00:01 < daja77> yes i am awake, but you are offline >_<
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00:21 < A-Tui> hola
00:22 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
00:23 < A-Tui> hola daja77
00:34 < daja77> n8 you all
00:35 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 
00:35 < A-Tui> buenas noches daja77
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01:27 < mnemoc> *yawn*
01:30 < mnemoc> http://www.developer.be/paste/DspPaste.cfm?id=2204 <--- OMG!
01:31 < A-Tui> anypne uses sylpheed + gpgme?
01:32 < mnemoc> A-Tui: do u want to phone george bush? ;)
01:32 < A-Tui> hehe :)
01:33 < A-Tui> i think we don't share any world's points of view :)
01:35 < mnemoc> to fit 100% with someone should be quite bored
01:36 < A-Tui> yes, and fit 0% should be a challenge
01:37 < tfing> maybe you both share a passion for turtles :)
01:38 < mnemoc> o_O
01:39 < mnemoc> to share a hate is much easier that to share a passion :)
01:39 < A-Tui> :)
01:39 < A-Tui> tfing, for big ones :)
01:41 < mnemoc> big turtles? nice idea
01:48 < A-Tui> gpgme-update.patch for sylpheed needs be repatched
01:58 < mnemoc> don't u want to try? ;)
01:59 < batok> mnemoc : what is g w bush doing in such list?
02:00 < mnemoc> no idea :\
02:00 < A-Tui> mnemoc, that's what i'm trying to do
02:01 < batok> what kind of sport does he ?
02:03 < mnemoc> he is quite big, he must do something
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03:58 < sten> how can I skip RockPlug's PCI scan?
04:02 < tfing> use stone to desactivate it
04:06 < sten> tfing: maybe I'm missing something, but the only available options are "autodetect devices" which allows me to call a script when device X is found, PCI_MODULES, and PCI_SKIP_MODULES.  None of these *skip* the scan, and I have no idea where to look now
04:07 < sten> tfing: I'd like to keep RockPlug's USB functionality, btw
04:10 < tfing> oh, i thought you wanted to disable all rockplug
04:10 < sten> no, that'd be easy :-)
04:11 < sten> tfing: I haven't recompiled my kernel yet.  Is the PCI scan governed by the "PCI Hotplugging" option of /usr/src/linux/.config?
04:12 < tfing> nope
04:12 < A-Tui> there are any reason to include version 0.4.0 of gpgme instead 0.3.*?
04:12 < tfing> rockplug just tries to load the module corresponding to your hardware
04:14 < sten> tfing: can you tell me how the pci bus is scanned?  does it use lspci, or access /proc directly?
04:14 < tfing> i don't know precisely
04:15 < sten> tfing:  hmm, this is going to take a bit longer then.  (I'm hoping that I can modify a script in /etc/rockplug, to disable the PCI scan)
04:15 < tfing> do you have a directory /etc/hotplug or /etc/rockplug ?
04:15 < A-Tui> n8 all, time to sleep
04:15 < tfing> n8 A-Tui 
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04:17 < sten> tfing: yeah, I'm reading through /etc/rockplug now.  (it'll take longer if I don't know how the PCI scan is called... grep is my friend)
04:17 < tfing> it is called through /etc/rockplug/pci.init start
04:21 < sten> hmm, I wonder if removing "pci" from line 20 of /etc/rockplug/init would do the trick..
04:21 < sten> no
04:22 < sten> it has to be in the /etc/rockplug/functions file
04:23 < tfing> why do you want to remove it btw ?
04:23 < sten> I manage my PCI devices monolithically.  (and I'm very much a minimalist, and perfectionistic to boo)
04:24 < sten> s/boo/boot
04:25 < sten> once this ROCK installation is humming a stable tune, I plan on helping with the generic/minimal Target/package_template
04:27 < tfing> i am not awake enough to find where pci.init is called, but  commenting the "pci_hwscan /etc/rockplug/pci.plug" in pci.init should prevent the pci autodetection
04:29 * sten nods
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05:37 < rolla> re
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05:48 < sten> jsaw: what is the best way to disable the RockPlug's PCI subsystem?
05:49 * sten prefers to handle PCI monolithically
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10:45 < slightedchris> rock!
10:45 < slightedchris> and/or roll
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10:48 < jsaw> sten: none. Write a feature request to the ML. (/me away again)
10:48 < sten> mnemoc: I tested that build you sent me, but it fails to rebuild both the glibc in its tree, and RC4, and anything newer.  (so I've decided that it's not stable enough for me)
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11:14 < netrunner> mnemoc: what did you try there?
11:14 < netrunner> s/mnemoc/sten/
11:17 < sten> netrunner: it's rev2366 + some fixes mnemoc found.  (it's a generic/minimal build)
11:34 < saskatoon> moin
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12:07 < holyolli> moin
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12:52 < cytrinox> moin
13:06 < mnemoc> sten: don't rebuild glibc, build a new properly-optimized build and use 'mine' to update
13:07 < mnemoc> sten: take the used config from /etc/ROCK-CONFIG and the used source is at /usr/src/rock-src
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13:07 < sten> mnemoc: after running ./scripts/Config, aren't all packages properly-optimzed?
13:08 < sten> mnemoc: (all packages which are henceforth built)
13:08 < mnemoc> you are runing a p-mmx generic/minimal/mnemoc'ed
13:08 < sten> mnemoc: I know
13:09 < mnemoc> the idea is to re-build exactly the same but whatever-you-have-optimized
13:09 < sten> mnemoc: but ./scripts/Config specified Athlon as the CPU, which rock-src/Build-Pkg then uses, yes?
13:09 < mnemoc> Athlon
13:09 < mnemoc> copy the used config con /config/whatever
13:10 < mnemoc> and then ./scripts/Config -cfg whatever
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13:10 < sten> mnemoc: why did I get segfaults, while building glibc?
13:10 < mnemoc> sten: Build-Target ?
13:10 < sten> mnemoc: is it because I was installing glibc to a running system?
13:10 < mnemoc> sten: exactly
13:11 < mnemoc> sten: use Build-Target to re-build it for athlon
13:11 < sten> mnemoc: are your patches part of trunk now?
13:11 < mnemoc> sten: no, but they are in /usr/src/rock-src
13:11 < mnemoc> that's the source used to actually do the build
13:12 < sten> mnemoc: so I can't ./scripts/Update-Src yet...  (How can I build glibc against linux26-header)
13:12 < mnemoc> sten: sure, your rebuild will be as you want it to be
13:13 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Update-Src is not stable yet, but ROCK is
13:13 < sten> mnemoc: linux26-header would always fail after at zorro.h
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13:13 < sten> mnemoc: "ROCK"?  What do you mean?
13:14 < mnemoc> ROCK it self, the 'kit' you are using 
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13:14 < sten> mnemoc: is the ./scripts/Update-Src rsync different from the svn trunk?
13:14 < mnemoc> rsync destroy local changes, svn up doesn't
13:15 < mnemoc> your rock-src is not equal to the trunk
13:15 < mnemoc> the rsync will remove the fixes
13:15 < mnemoc> tehn*
13:15 < mnemoc> aaarg.... then*
13:16 < mnemoc> sten: fake has added lot of patches for linux26-exclusive builds
13:16 < mnemoc> you can get them from submaster
13:16 < sten> mnemoc: right.  I'm trying to figure out some way to get linux26-header to build  (updating the rock build scripts seemed the best)
13:16 < mnemoc> (for the moment it's not)
13:17 < mnemoc> sten: run svn up instead of Update-Src
13:17 < mnemoc> and hand apply fake's patches
13:17 < sten> mnemoc: "svn up" from inside of rock-src?
13:17 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster
13:17 < mnemoc> sten: yep
13:17 < mnemoc> bbl
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13:34 < sten> mnemoc: I need to reboot to rock.  brb
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13:35 < blindy> re
13:41 < mnemoc> re
13:42 < mnemoc> it's weird to see you as 'blindy'
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13:53 < sten> which is preferable for a desktop user "subversion, or subversion-static?"  I'm curious why subversion-static is part of a Target
13:53 < sten> s/a Target/Target generic/minimal
13:54 < mnemoc> svn-static is static to solve posible problem que bdb
13:55 < sten> obviously its static...  So pretty much, its so the user doesn't end up "up shit creek"
13:56 < sten> speaking of bdb: Is bdb42 backwards compatible with bdb41?
13:59 < mnemoc> sten: acording to the new-but-discusting-website of sleepycat...
13:59 < mnemoc> Requires log file format upgrade.
13:59 < mnemoc> May require Queue access method database dump and load.
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14:00 < A-Tui> hola a todos
14:00 < mnemoc> buenos dias don Aitor
14:00 < A-Tui> buenos dias mnemoc :)
14:01 < holyolli> hola A-Tui y mnemoc
14:01 < A-Tui> hola holyolli
14:01 < A-Tui> mnemoc, there is any special reason to have gpme 0.4.0 instead of 0.3.* in rock?
14:02 < mnemoc> the greater number the better?
14:03 < A-Tui> in this case no
14:04 < mnemoc> lock at the history to see who send the update and ask him
14:04 < A-Tui> i read in the gpgme.desc that the main function of this package is its use with sylpheed, but 0.4.* it's not supported yet
14:04 < mnemoc> LOL
14:04 < mnemoc> lock at the history for the revision and revert it
14:04 < A-Tui> and it's very unstable, between 0.4.0 and 0.4.4 there are a lot of important changes (like interfaces and types)
14:05 < A-Tui> ok mnemoc
14:05 < mnemoc> A-Tui: and send a mail to the ML
14:05 < A-Tui> ok, i'm going to do the patch
14:08 < mnemoc> a revert doesn't need a patch, it only needs to be justified to rene
14:09 < A-Tui> mmmm ok, i must only send a mail arguing the problem then
14:24 < sten> menmoc: "svn up" (from inside of rock-src) says: " svn: '.' is not a working copy"
14:24 < sten> mnemoc: !!
14:24 < mnemoc> uhm...
14:24 < mnemoc> don't update :p
14:24 < A-Tui> :)
14:25 < mnemoc> sten: nothing has changed :)
14:25 < sten> mnemoc: really?  I thought there were at least 30 changes
14:26 < A-Tui> and you can't use ./scripts/Update-Src?
14:26 < mnemoc> his rock-src is more patched than the trunk
14:26 < sten> mnemoc: nope, just 10 changes
14:27 < A-Tui> ahh ok
14:27 * sten thinks he should backup his rock-src...
14:28 < mnemoc> sten: check out to a diferent dir
14:28 < A-Tui> i have ever two copys of unoffical changes, becouse i ever forget when i run update
14:28 < mnemoc> cd /usr/src ; svn co svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk rock-trunk
14:29 < mnemoc> A-Tui: i have nine different trees here o_O
14:29 < A-Tui> w0w :)
14:29 < A-Tui> i have ethe official and one with some packages added
14:30 < sten> mnemoc: do you think the latest trunk will build as well as the current patched rock-src?
14:30 < mnemoc> diff them :p
14:31 < mnemoc> if you build from trunk pkgsel '- uml_utilities'... that's the only really broken thing i remember
14:33 < sten> menmoc: yeah, I remember it from my own rc4, rc5/trunk build attempts.  (and noticed that your tree built it ok)
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15:02 < mnemoc> *yawn*
15:11 < sten> mnemoc: well, my patched, updated rock-src is working on an optimized minimal+xfree86 build.  The package selection is leaner then the generic/minimal which you built for me. (do the extra packages automatically become rolled in, because of dependencies?0
15:11 < sten> s/0/)
15:12 < mnemoc> sten: nothing 'rolls in' on rock
15:13 < mnemoc> sten: dependencies are a reference for build order
15:13 < sten> mnemoc: doesn't Emerge-Pkg install dependencies?
15:14 < mnemoc> it does, but the dependencies graph make you install almost every package
15:14 < mnemoc> mandatory buildtime dependencies and optional buildtime dependencies are treated as the same
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15:15 < mnemoc> runtime dependencies are not catched.
15:15 < sten> mnemoc: oooh
15:15 < sten> mnemoc: does coreutils really need acl?
15:15 < mnemoc> no
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15:16 < mnemoc> but as acl is enable by default, coreutils use it and de [DEP] is catched
15:16 < sten> mnemoc: I see
15:16 < mnemoc> 'rolls in' can be considered evil in this context
15:17 < sten> mnemoc: yes, evil indeed.  (I was quite scared off / disapointed when I looked at the Desktop dependency graph.  Now I understand)
15:18 < mnemoc> it is safer to give the responsability to target's mantainer i.e. you.
15:19 < sten> agreed
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15:20 < MadTux> Greetings.
15:21 < sten> Hi
15:21 < daja77> hi MadTux 
15:25 < sten> mnemoc: thanks for the help again.  I really appreciate it.  I'm off to get some sleep
15:26 < mnemoc> sten: cu
15:26 < mnemoc> MadTux!
15:26 < MadTux> sten: sleep is just for mortals what do u need it for?
15:26 < mnemoc> daja77!
15:26 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:26 * daja77 is mortal
15:26 < MadTux> mnemoc: now u are greeting me?
15:26 < MadTux> daja77: we knew thta already
15:26 * daja77 slept from 0:30 till now
15:26 * daja77 kicks MadTux 
15:27 < mnemoc> MadTux: YES, i'm greeting you AGAIN
15:27 < MadTux> again?
15:27 < mnemoc> daja77: our conscience
15:27 < mnemoc> don't let us sleep more
15:28 < A-Tui> hola MadTux, daja77
15:28 < daja77> yeah i sleep for you, so you can do all the hacking
15:28 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
15:28 < mnemoc> :p
15:29 < MadTux> Aitor!!! Como estais amigo mio?
15:29 < A-Tui> bien MadTux, mirando código
15:29 < MadTux> what kind of coe?
15:30 < A-Tui> sylpheeds one
15:33 < sten> sleep can wait a few more minutes.
15:34 * mnemoc kicks sten to bed
15:36 < sten> mnemoc: do you remember how I had that idea to assemble an ISO which would streamline the process of 1. install base system 2. build ROCK from here 3. tarballs are on the cd?  Maybe generic/minimal is enough, if I write a README... (just something that'll help some of my bright CompSci friends with little/no Linux experience)
15:37 < mnemoc> sten: the missing part is the 'live-minimal-cd'
15:37 < sten> mnemoc: that would need LOTS of ram
15:38 < mnemoc> cramfs from the cd?
15:38 < sten> mnemoc: compilation is I/O extensive, isn't it?
15:38 < sten> s/extensive/intensive
15:38 < mnemoc> it's reeeeealy good to test hardware resistence
15:39 < daja77> yep
15:39 < daja77> rock showed me that via kt266a and kt300 have broken ide controllers
15:39 < sten> mnemoc: I think the < 5000 KBs of cdroms would be quite the bottleneck
15:40 < mnemoc> sten: yes :(
15:41 < sten> mnemoc: but if it had a scratch partition... (even if it dd'd one big image onto that partition, and mount -o loop'd it)
15:42 < sten> mnemoc: no, it would just copy to the partition
15:42 < mnemoc> sten: sounds good
15:44 < sten> mnemoc: it needs to install/set up build environment in 1 step, with minimal user interaction. User would need to, at least partition his HD before this stage
15:45 < sten> mnemoc: it might be best for this to eventually become /.  Because then the user can reboot, using the  CD, after the installation is complete.  Then the user would run script #2
15:45 < mnemoc> design something
15:45 < sten> mnemoc: which would upgrade the minimal build env, with its own fresh pkgs, but without chroot'ing
15:46 < mnemoc> now you understand rock2.0 a little deeper
15:46 < sten> mnemoc: yes, and I've been reminded of the dangers of building glibc ;-)
15:46 < mnemoc> =)
15:48 < sten> mnemoc: well, I'm off to sleep for real now.  Night
15:50 < mnemoc> n8 sten 
15:50 < A-Tui> time to luch, bye
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16:12 < daja77> mnemoc: funny mail :)
16:13 < mnemoc> :p
16:13 < daja77> just wanted to say i like it :p
16:14 < mnemoc> thanks a lot
16:14 < MadTux> daja77: mnemocy is willing start a war
16:14 < mnemoc> :o
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16:15 < MadTux> :P
16:16 < daja77> no i don't think so
16:16 < MadTux> do u agree with him?
16:16 < daja77> no need for protected mnemoc 
16:16 -!- __mnemoc is now known as mnemoc
16:17 < mnemoc> <:o)
16:17 < daja77> basically yes
16:17 * MadTux too.
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17:04 < MadTux> Michael!!
17:05 < praenti> hi Mike!
17:05 < MadTux> Wie geht es dir mein freund? :)
17:06 < praenti> good. and how are you? I see you have trained your german :-)
17:07 < MadTux> yes been training it 1/2 a bit
17:07 < MadTux> I'm doing great thanks :)
17:08 < praenti> i have not very much time yet, so i had to leave you. sorry :-(
17:08 < praenti> cu MadTux 
17:09 < holyolli> re
17:19 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
17:20 < MadTux> blindy and Alcoholy.. nice to see u guys here
17:21 < holyolli> hi blindy, tuxo loco ;-)
17:23 < MadTux> how are u doing terror of the airs?
17:24 < mnemoc> aaarg!! www.gnu.org still down
17:24 < holyolli> MadTux: atm nothing...just terror in the net ;-)
17:24 < mnemoc> pervert
17:25 < MadTux> hehe
17:25 < MadTux> mnemoc: use a mirror?
17:25 < mnemoc> i want to subscribe to a ML :/
17:25 < holyolli> MadTux: i had my long-range-exam the day before yesterday
17:25 < MadTux> bwahahahahahaha
17:25 < MadTux> how did it go?
17:26 < holyolli> MadTux: well. i began my learning on monday...compared to this, very good...if it is sufficent for the 75%-mark..i don't know ;-)
17:27 < holyolli> and those tasks were already known..so just use the memory function of the calculator
17:27 < holyolli> :-D
17:27 < MadTux> lol
17:27 < holyolli> <-- still doesn't know how to compute everything for longrange-flightplanning..but i'll never need it
17:27 < MadTux> mnemoc: smile life is fine
17:27 < holyolli> ;)
17:28 < MadTux> Oh :)
17:28 < mnemoc> :)
17:29 < MadTux> holyolli: btw could u come pick me up so we can go to mnemoc's house to have lunch?
17:29 < holyolli> MadTux: good idea. i'm in 5 minutes at your place ;-)
17:29 < MadTux> great thanks
17:30 < mnemoc> :)
17:33 < MadTux> mnemoc: start cooking we are HUNGRY
17:33 < mnemoc> pizza?
17:33 < mnemoc> :p
17:34 < MadTux> nah, some chile typical food :)
17:34 < mnemoc> pizza! ;)
17:34 < MadTux> damn italians..
17:34 < mnemoc> :p
17:34 < mnemoc> gnochis?
17:34 < MadTux> wtf is it?
17:35 < holyolli> cool
17:35 < holyolli> gnochis are tasty
17:35 < MadTux> wtf is gnochis!?!?!
17:36 < holyolli> hm. mnemoc? can you describe them on english?
17:36 < MadTux> .o0(i can't wait to see this)
17:36 < mnemoc> i'm asking google for help :p
17:37 < MadTux> *G*
17:37 < holyolli> MadTux: gnochis are some kind of filled noodles...
17:37 < MadTux> don't ruin it.. wait for mnemoc  :)
17:38 < holyolli> but completely with paste
17:38 < holyolli> hehe
17:38 < mnemoc> http://escapades.justmynet.com/gnocchis.jpg 
17:39 < mnemoc> don't ask wtf they put over those gnocchis
17:39 < MadTux> wtf do they put over those gnocchis?
17:39 < blindy> wtf did they put over those gnocchis?
17:39 < holyolli> *lool* i googled for gnochis...and the first page i got was a page from .cr ;-)
17:39 < MadTux> hehe
17:40 < MadTux> urggs
17:40 < holyolli> http://www.berndgottwald.de/costa_rica.htm <-- looks beautiful!
17:40 * holyolli wanna see it asap!
17:41 < MadTux> you are impressed by that? You ain't seen nothing yet
17:41 < MadTux> :)
17:41 < holyolli> hehe
17:41 < holyolli> MadTux: you're right..there were no women on the photos.. ;-)
17:42 < MadTux> just get your fat ass over here
17:42 < holyolli> *g*
17:42 < MadTux> I'll show u woman and places
17:42 < MadTux> :)
17:42 < holyolli> hehe
17:43 < MadTux> mnemoc: you are castrado.. i mean casado.. but u are welcome to come too, so we can show you the place :)
17:44 < mnemoc> the tickets are *too* expensive for me :(
17:44 < MadTux> get a damn bus
17:44 < mnemoc> to .cr? a week?
17:44 < holyolli> mnemoc: yeah...just drive the panamericana until .cr ;-)
17:45 < MadTux> mnemoc: u can get a bus to colombia or so then fly over here
17:45 < MadTux> :)
17:45 < mnemoc> not much different to drive to .co than to .cr
17:45 < mnemoc> and the same 'social stability' :p
17:46 < MadTux> social stability?
17:46 < MadTux> mnemoc: well just drive some place else where its cheaper and *direct* to come here
17:48 < mnemoc> =)
17:49 < MadTux> i mean its not our fault that u live in the end of the world
17:50 < mnemoc> i live in the 0.25 of chile, this is not the end of the world
17:51 < MadTux> At my eyes it is :)
17:51 < mnemoc> 34º it's not the end of the world :p
17:51 < holyolli> mnemoc: is it near of santiago?
17:52 < mnemoc> 100km to the south
17:52 < MadTux> brb
17:53 < mnemoc> http://www.turistel.cl/mapas_ruteros/pag_mapas_ruteros.htm <-- at E
17:55 < holyolli> ah
17:59 < mnemoc> J is the most beautyfull part
18:00 < mnemoc> holyolli: can you fly to there?
18:00 < mnemoc> or only between 'big' airports?
18:01 < holyolli> jepp. lufthansa has a flight from frankfurt via ezeiza to santiago, but of course i don't fly those big birds atm
18:01 < mnemoc> i was talking about simulators :p
18:01 < holyolli> ah
18:01 < mnemoc> and e.g. coihaique
18:02 < holyolli> hehe...i could..but i have no access to the simulators for myself
18:02 < holyolli> (and even they're just sims, there are expensive)
18:03 < mnemoc> .oO( does ms flight simulator runs on wine? )
18:04 < mnemoc> holyolli: do you have 'missions' when you get to the simulator, or sometimes you are 'free' to go?
18:05 < mnemoc> i mean, free to choose your destin
18:05 < holyolli> mnemoc: normally you have missions - or later then during your job 'refresher courses' and checks...
18:05 < holyolli> and everything is defined
18:05 < mnemoc> :\
18:05 < holyolli> the last time i was with a friend of mine, who acutally flies the A340
18:05 < mnemoc> no fun
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18:06 < holyolli> and the examiner was a nice guy and let me fly during their pause
18:06 < mnemoc> airbus?
18:06 < holyolli> jepp
18:06 < mnemoc> =)
18:06 < daja77> rock ships flightgear btw
18:07 < mnemoc> how complete is it?
18:07 < daja77> have never played it for long actually, but has many features as af as i have seen
18:08 < holyolli> daja77: yes, but it's mainly for visual flight
18:08 < holyolli> that parts is excellent, but i needed to train some instrument flight stuff...
18:09 < daja77> ah k.
18:09 < mnemoc> why? plains can even land theirselves :p
18:09 < holyolli> hehe
18:10 < holyolli> mnemoc: theoretically they can even do the whole flight..but only if everything works ok and you have no abnormals
18:10 < MadTux> hehe
18:11 < MadTux> mnemoc: knows about aviation?
18:11 < MadTux> :)
18:11 < mnemoc> no, i'm just teasing holyolli :)
18:11 < MadTux> ah :(
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18:12 < MadTux> someday i will learn about plains and be like alcoholy
18:12 < MadTux> ;)
18:13 < A-Tui> hi
18:13 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
18:13 < mnemoc> hi A-Tui 
18:13 < daja77> MadTux: still biking?
18:13 < holyolli> MadTux: well..you have the experience I don't have
18:13 < mnemoc> lot of people would kill to be in olli's place
18:13 < holyolli> .oO(without work atm? ;-)
18:14 < mnemoc> you are really close to a job at luftansa
18:15 < holyolli> mnemoc: that's right..but i have to wait approx. 2 years..which is a long time
18:15 < daja77> administering their novell servers *ggg*
18:15 < holyolli> hehe
18:15 < holyolli> they use linux
18:15 < holyolli> :-P
18:15 < mnemoc> suse?
18:15 < daja77> they bought novell sw half a year ago ...
18:15 < holyolli> no idea...but the server backbone for all flight planning and for the operations is based on linux
18:16 < daja77> sounds trustworthy
18:16 < holyolli> and they have a neat vpn for all pilots (~3000 users), which is really stable and fast
18:16 < MadTux> holyolli: hehe well u can't have everything in life
18:17 < holyolli> *g*
18:18 * daja77 off for party, cu
18:18 < MadTux> daja77: yes I still bike.
18:18 < holyolli> cu daja77
18:18 < holyolli> have fun
18:18 < daja77> thx
18:19 < mnemoc> why daja sleeps and goes to parties and i can :(
18:19 < mnemoc> can't*
18:19 < holyolli> mnemoc: why do you can't?
18:19 < MadTux> mnemoc: because u live in the end of the world
18:19 < mnemoc> :\
18:19 < holyolli> .oO(args...fscked grammar)
18:19 < A-Tui> :)
18:19 < A-Tui> MadTux, or in the start.....
18:20 < A-Tui> ops begin 
18:20 < MadTux> A-Tui: no, the end.
18:20 < MadTux> :)
18:20 < mnemoc> well the magnetic pole is here :p
18:20 < MadTux> so u must be magnetic too... 
18:20 < MadTux> Self Note: Never allow mnemoc to stay any close to any of my computers
18:21 < mnemoc> o_O
18:21 < A-Tui> :)
18:21 < holyolli> *lol*
18:21 < mnemoc> .oO( that's why i don't have good feeling with floppy disks? )
18:21 < MadTux> 2nd Self Note: Take mnemoc ona  trip to an IRON Factory 
18:22 < MadTux> *g*
18:22 < mnemoc> :|
18:22 < MadTux> mnemoc: why can't u just move over here?
18:22 < MadTux> :(
18:23 < mnemoc> i have a family here and i'm studing here :\
18:23 < MadTux> bah excuses
18:23 < MadTux> :P
18:23 < mnemoc> :p
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18:42 < MadTux> *YYYYAAAWWWNNNN*
18:42 < mnemoc> you yawning???
18:43 < MadTux> yeah.
18:43 < MadTux> I'm bored.
18:43 < mnemoc> wikiwiki
18:43 < mnemoc> make your fun
18:45 < MadTux> hehe ok.
18:46 * mnemoc having fun debugging through a pipe :p
18:49 < mnemoc> bbl
18:53 < MadTux> no!
18:53 < MadTux> stay!
19:10 < mnemoc> re
19:13 < MadTux> wb
19:19 < mnemoc> =)
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19:41 < MadTux> bbl (maybe)
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21:46 < netrunne1> *g* "If I open a shell, and hold my ear to the monitor, I can not hear the sea, why?"
21:48 < mnemoc> o_O
21:48 < mnemoc> you can set a midi or wav to solve the problem :P
21:50 < mnemoc> what happened to ROCKbot?
22:00 < netrunne1> mnemoc: It runs on my build system, which makes a lot of noise in my dormatory.
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22:01 < netrunner> mnemoc: as soon as I moved my builder to be my main server, it'll run continuously.
22:01 * netrunner -> bed
22:04 < holyolli> n8 netrunner
22:18 < blindy> re=
22:32 < mnemoc> re blindy 
22:37 < daja77> mnemoc: ?
22:42 < mnemoc> daja77: ?
22:43 < daja77> 18:14 < mnemoc> why daja sleeps and goes to parties and i can :(
22:43 < daja77> you can what?
22:46 < mnemoc> i can't*
22:46 < daja77> ic
22:46 < mnemoc> a depressing lapsus
22:52 < daja77> because you have family?
22:54 < mnemoc> to have family is good, to stay in a bunker the whole day is not
22:54 < daja77> ack
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23:06 < A-Tui> hola
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23:12 < tcr> moin all
23:15 < holyolli> hi A-Tui, tcr
23:15 < A-Tui> hi tcr, holyolli
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23:35 < daja77> Downloading download/base/linux26/linux-2.6.2.tar.bz2?!
23:35 < tfing> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch linux26-2.6.3 | patch -p0 :)
23:36 < daja77> yeah sure, just wondering
23:40 < daja77> downloading 2.4.25 and 2.6.3 now
23:59 < jsaw> re
23:59 < jsaw> hi all
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