--- Log opened Sun Feb 22 00:00:14 2004
--- Day changed Sun Feb 22 2004
00:00 < daja77> hi jsaw
00:00 < jsaw> hi daja77 
00:00 < jsaw> phew, that was a hard week!
00:00 < daja77> yes
00:03 < jsaw> daja77: (wife: inflammation of duodenum, daughter: 39.7) me: hausfrau 24h x 5d, and you?
00:04 < daja77> exams, deadline for creating a knoppix clone and stuff
00:04 < daja77> think that dicksizewar goes to youz
00:05 < mnemoc> updating 2.4 is not easy
00:05 < mnemoc> it will always fail to apply i2c patch
00:05 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
00:05 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
00:05 < sten> fake's util-linux patches (from submaster) didn't build util-linux (it sucks to wake up to this)
00:05 < daja77> mnemoc: i just disabled i2c patch
00:06 < jsaw> daja77: :)
00:06 < mnemoc> daja77: don't forget lm_sensors
00:06 < daja77> oh should kill that too
00:06 < mnemoc> yep :)
00:06 * daja77 is in download stage atm anyway :)
00:07 < daja77> i just need a working system ...
00:07 < mnemoc> knoppix thing failed?
00:07 < daja77> nope, knoppix working fine, i want a new working rock, to replaxe some rh7.2 crap
00:07 < mnemoc> i have a working minimal/pmmx 2366
00:07 < daja77> no i need desktop stuff in it
00:08 < mnemoc> ok
00:08 < daja77> hmm i should switsch to kde32 branch perhaops
00:09 < daja77> can i do svn switch in submaster repo?
00:10 < jsaw> daja77: why _deadline_ for knoppix clone?
00:10 < daja77> cos we need to burn it before clt
00:11 < jsaw> ic
00:12 < jsaw> what was going on with the devel tree, any "final" conclusions so far?
00:27 < tcr> Don't know... When I read the mails I just got astonished by the improvement of mnemoc's english in comparasion to what he wrote half (?) a year ago :)
00:29 < jsaw> :)))
00:29 < jsaw> one can see the father in him. hehe, you always have to have a good story as a father. :)
00:35 < daja77> *ggg*
00:35 < daja77> so he changes from bein the channel slut to being the rocklinux storyteller
00:37 < mnemoc> re :)
00:37 < daja77> wb :)
00:42 < daja77> damn i don't find the docs how to switch to kde32 branch
00:42 < mnemoc> daja77: if you haven't started your build, remove uml_utilities from stage 1
00:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: $ svn switch --help
00:46 < daja77> now you confuse me with jsaw 
00:46 < mnemoc> but ... svn: Unknown hostname 'svn.rocklinux-consulting.de'
00:46 < mnemoc> =)
00:47 < mnemoc> i prefix that line before thinking in answer you :(
00:47 < daja77> it worked for me 1h agao
00:48 < mnemoc> i guess it's only dns problem
00:52 < mnemoc> anyone has the ip?
00:52 < daja77> svn.rocklinux-consulting.de has address 141.64.23.209
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00:57 < mnemoc> it does resolve for you???
00:58 < mnemoc> it's back here too
00:58 < mnemoc> =)
00:59 < jsaw> daja77: why don't u use svn2.rock...?
01:00 < daja77> why should i?
01:00 < jsaw> faster?
01:00 < tfing> it's on a faster line
01:04 < daja77> svn.r... moved to faster place too
01:04 < daja77> no?
01:04 < tfing> just for a few days
01:04 < daja77> and btw it really doesn't matter if you are connected via isdn
01:06 < jsaw> in this case I was only thinking about a resolvable name, actually
01:06 < daja77> ic
01:10 < mnemoc> jsaw: how frecuent is svn/svn2 sync?
01:10 < tfing> every 30min iirc
01:11 < mnemoc> not too bad
01:23 < jsaw> anybody already tried gcc 3.3.3 yet?
01:28 < mnemoc> nope
01:29 < jsaw> ok, me will now...
01:29 < mnemoc> when was it released?
01:29 < mnemoc> aaarg... grace community church again :|
01:30 < daja77> gccc.gnu.org?
01:30 < jsaw> ?
01:30 < daja77> -c
01:30 < jsaw> yes
01:30 < daja77> jsaw: www.gccc.org
01:30 < daja77> -c
01:30 < daja77> grrrr
01:30 < jsaw> gcc.gnu.org
01:30 < mnemoc> =)
01:30 < mnemoc>  grace community church ;)
01:31 < tfing> i went to that site more than once too ;)
01:31 < mnemoc> what cute monks :) released on valentins :)
01:32 < jsaw> daja77, mnemoc: okay, got it now. my brain is retarded (obviously)
01:32 < daja77> *ggg*
01:32 < mnemoc> do daja's... sleep 15 hours a day
01:32 < daja77> waaah no, just once i hope
01:33 < mnemoc> :p
01:36 < daja77> wow we aare listed in .ca  http://open.nit.ca/wiki/?page=ChemnitzerLinuxTag2004
01:37 < mnemoc> you add it to that wiki :p
01:38 < daja77> nope
01:38 < daja77> that was dave coombs, who will have a talk here
01:49 < daja77> 8 you all
01:49 < daja77> +n
01:49 < mnemoc> n8 daja, you need to rest
01:49 < daja77> :p
01:49 < mnemoc> ;)
01:50 < daja77> when i stay up the whole night this is no better
01:50 < mnemoc> sleeping is good
01:51 < mnemoc> but sleeping for the whole channel can be an excess
01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 daja :-)
02:02 < jsaw> gn8 daja77 
02:04 < jsaw> hey, binutils 2.14.90.epsilon.5.tau.taph.chet.0.8 is out
02:05 < mnemoc> o_O
02:05 < mnemoc> they randomly generate the last numbers of their releases
02:06 < jsaw> why does this need 5 *five* version numbers?
02:07 < mnemoc> 3 is a good number
02:09 < jsaw> seems we should upgrade. Changelog says "Fixed misc PPC bugs"
02:10 < mnemoc> that can be the reason of the kde problems of rene
02:17 < rolla> 
02:45 < jsaw> ??? the diff between binutils 2.14.90.0.7 and 8 is 7.5M big?
02:46 < jsaw> ??? and the COPYING.NEWLIB file is extended so it could be a problem for us, wtf?
02:47 < jsaw> well no, only at first sight. but the diff still bugs me.
02:48 < mnemoc> jsaw: they can have reindented the whole tree :p
02:53 < jsaw> structure name changes and typo fixes in comments...
02:56 < mnemoc> sed-enabled patching *g*
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03:08 < mnemoc> sed question?
03:09 < mnemoc> i need to match [a-z][-?[a-z0-9_]*]*[a-z0-9]
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03:12 < tfing> you can't imbricate [ ] in [ ]
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03:35 < mnemoc> tfing: i know, how can i do that?
03:36 < mnemoc> - is optional
03:36 < tfing> i don't quite understand what you want to match
03:36 < mnemoc> [a-z][a-z0-9_\-]*[a-z0-9] <--- this
03:37 < mnemoc> BUT i don't want two - together
03:37 < tfing> hmmm, tricky
03:37 < mnemoc> yep
03:40 < tfing> [a-z]-?([a-z0-9_]*-?)*[a-z0-9]
03:41 < mnemoc> nice :)
03:41 < tfing> [a-z]-?([a-z0-9_]+-?)*[a-z0-9]
03:41 < mnemoc> + works on sed?
03:41 < tfing> lemme check :)
03:42 < tfing> it does
03:43 < tfing> put a \+ like with \( or use sed -r
03:44 < mnemoc> thanks a lot :) i have learned two things about sed expr
03:44 < tfing> ^^
03:45 < mnemoc> third thing... sed -n -s 's,^\(.*\)$,\1,p' but without the \(\) ?
03:46 < jsaw> need some sleep, cu
03:46 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw 
03:48 < tfing> without the \(\) ?
03:49 < mnemoc> if the whole row match the pattern print it complete
03:49 < mnemoc> if not print nothing
03:50 < mnemoc> mmm.... i'll try to use that expr on grep
03:51 < tfing> i guess grep would be better indeed to print conditionally
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04:01 < mnemoc> aarg...
04:01 < mnemoc> $ echo ah-hu--foo-u | grep -E '[a-z]([a-z0-9_]\+)*[a-z0-9]'
04:01 < mnemoc> ah-hu--foo-u
04:01 < mnemoc> it accepts the '-' even whe i remove them from que expression
04:05 < tfing> |:: echo ah-hu--foo-u | grep -E '[a-z]([a-z0-9_]+)*[a-z0-9]'
04:05 < tfing> |ah-hu--foo-u
04:05 < tfing> :: echo ah-hu--foo-u | grep -e '[a-z]([a-z0-9_]+)*[a-z0-9]'
04:06 < mnemoc> remove the '-'s and try with -e ;)
04:06 < tfing> hmmm, forget what i said
04:07 < tfing> i know, add ^ and $
04:07 < tfing> otherwise, it matches on part of the string
04:08 < tfing> ie on "ah"
04:08 < mnemoc>  | grep -E '^[a-z]-?([a-z0-9_]+-?)*[a-z0-9]$' :-)
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05:05 * rolla yawns
05:09 * mnemoc too
05:11 < rolla> re mnemoc 
05:11 < rolla> how is it going?
05:19 < mnemoc> fine, coding as a donkey :p
05:20 < mnemoc> .oO( how does a donkey codes? )
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05:44 < sten> mnemoc: I have another idea relating to that "ROCK Build Environment" CD.  You know how ROCK can cluster build?  Well, that doesn't need 5000 KBs of bandwidth
05:44 < sten> mnemoc: maybe the live cd idea would have viable performance--especially if it ran OpenMosix, or other clustering software
05:45 < sten> mnemoc: boot the cd on every workstation;
05:45 < sten> mnemoc: and build *one* target.  All without a working installation of Linux to start out with
05:45 < mnemoc> sounds good
05:46 < mnemoc> quite gentoo but good
05:46 < sten> mnemoc: eh?
05:46 < mnemoc> cluster-gentoo :)
05:46 < sten> mnemoc: ohhhh
05:48 < mnemoc> first you will need to build a minimal with mosix, then make it livecd and then add an 'installer'
05:49 < mnemoc> will you?
05:49 < sten> mnemoc: it will be more complex, now that I think of it... (will the scratch space be nfs mounted, does it need to be?  Does every box need its own scratch space?)
05:49 < mnemoc> btw, i said gentoo just because what i hate of it is 'build just before isntall'
05:50 < mnemoc> sten: smart partitioning before start playing a fundamental
05:50 < mnemoc> s/ a / is /
05:51 < mnemoc> your first machine shares the disk?
05:51 < mnemoc> for build/
05:52 < mnemoc> but all of them need space for building each package locally
05:52 < sten> mnemoc: ah
05:52 * mnemoc just thinking loud
05:53 < sten> mnemoc: maybe I should just include the mosix kernel, and the tools necessary for a cluster build...and then let the user decide
05:53 < sten> mnemoc: (undocumented feature)
05:53 < sten> mnemoc: I'd like to keep it really simple, and clean, and as cool as this idea is; it is getting too complex
05:53 < mnemoc> adding a openmosix package is not much hard if you know how :p
05:54 < mnemoc> the cluster-support idea is great
05:54 < mnemoc> and i you only have one box, it will take longer
05:55 < mnemoc> but with cluster build it will be reallly nice
05:56 < sten> mnemoc: yeah.  I really don't want to script in openmosix configuration... (I don't have any beowulf experience, so it's *far* in the future)
05:56 < mnemoc> jump to the pool :p
06:17 < sten> I wonder how well openmosix will run over 802.11b...
06:19 < sten> (it's too bad I didn't live in a big city.  It'd be cool to go to a LUG, get everyone to boot this cd, and build generic/minimal in an hour)
06:20 < sten> generic minimal wouldn't be that usefull though... It'd be more usefull to build something like kde32 (so that everyone could quickly upgrade)
06:22 < sten> too bad this situation would only optimize for the lowest common denominator
06:23 < sten> it will all start with a self-contained build kit though.  (no net access required to get 
06:23 < sten> minimal+X11 working
06:23 < sten> )
06:30 < mnemoc> :o
06:31 < mnemoc> your limit is how much source you can put on that cd
06:32 < mnemoc> but you can nfs the sources from one place
06:40 < sten> mnemoc: well, I have 332MB of source for minimal+xfree.  I think the ISO will weigh in at ~250
06:42 < mnemoc> =)
06:42 < sten> mnemoc: I'll include ircii, and opera (is opera still lightweight, or should I look for firebird or similar?)
06:42 < mnemoc> opera can' be at rock
06:42 < mnemoc> license problem
06:43 < sten> mnemoc: oh.  (a long time ago, there was an opera package)
06:43 < mnemoc> it is, but it has to be removed
06:44 < mnemoc> early versions of firebird needed the whole mozilla's source and took ages to build
06:44 < mnemoc> i hope that has changed
06:44 < sten> mnemoc: the reason I'd like to include a graphical browser, is so that when the user can't decide which windowmanager/desk-env to run, the eyecandy can play a roll ;-)
06:44 < mnemoc> .oO( i'm happy with minimal + links over framebuffer :p )
06:44 < sten> mnemoc: hey, that's an idea
06:50 < mnemoc> you can add those question before buildtime, but you are limit by space :p
06:52 < sten> mnemoc: or am I..  If the user is going to be using a brower, they have a net connection :-)
06:52 < sten> mnemoc: sucks for the modem users though...
06:54 < mnemoc> i have to go...
06:54 < sten> mnemoc: buy
06:54 < sten> s/buy/bye
06:54 < mnemoc> keep thinking/rocking ^^
06:54 < mnemoc> ^8
06:54 < mnemoc> n8
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10:07 < holyolli> moin
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11:32 < sten> There is duplication between linux26 & linux-drm.  This breaks linux-drm.
11:59 < sten> well, actually it doesn't break it, but the build fails.
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12:34 < daja77> moin
12:41 < sten> daja77: how do you add a package to a target?  (- packagename removes, but + packagename doesn't add)
12:41 < daja77> just set it to X
12:42 < sten> eh?  edit the package or packages.txt?
12:42 < daja77> the desc files
12:42 < daja77> -s
12:43 < sten> you've lost me.  I'm in the custom package selection rules section of ./scripts/Config
12:44 < daja77> X packagename for add
12:44 < daja77> O packagename for remove
12:44 < daja77> iirc
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12:45 < sten> daja77: yeah, that worked.  Earlier this week, I was told to "- packagename" to remove a package.  And it worked.  Thanks for the advice, btw
12:46 < daja77> np
13:03 < mnemoc> - removes, O disables, X enables
13:04 < mnemoc> if you disable, it can be re-enabled in a following part of the config
13:04 < mnemoc> if you remove, it get lost
13:04 < mnemoc> forever
13:04 < mnemoc> (HI!!)
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14:20 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
14:21 < daja77> hi mnemoc & blindy 
14:21 < daja77> hmm blindy tab compliant ...
14:22 < blindy> hm?
14:22 < daja77> bl<tab> = blindy :)
14:23 < blindy> bl<tab> = blindcoder didn't work?
14:24 < daja77> sure but it was blindcoder not blindy
14:24 < daja77> anyway
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14:41 < daja77> grrrrr @ submaster
14:42 < blindy> jmÜ
14:42 < blindy> hm?
14:43 * daja77 wants to switch to kde3.2 branch
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14:44 < blindy> oh
16:30 < owl> moin
16:30 < owl> what does 01 mean from lilo?
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17:11 < daja77> mnemoc: you here?
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20:38 < owl> remoin
20:38 < daja77> hi owl
20:38 < owl> hi daja77 . how are you?
20:39 < daja77> awake and sort of working
20:45 < owl> ok... btw, i'm off now
20:45 < owl> again... but for a short while
20:45 < daja77> cu
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22:40 < tcr> moin all
22:47 < A-Tui> hola tcr
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