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01:58 < batok> Can anybody help me on setting up bind ( named ) to act as a resolver ( I am using drock rc3 )
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02:41 < tfing> hmmm, anyone who tested crm114 or dspam in here ?
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02:56 < ctp_> are rocklinux and gentoo comparable? i use gentoo but the updates of the ebuilds are not acceptable by me. does rock also update the packages so often?
02:58 < tfing> less often i think
02:59 < tfing> since only one person can accept patches and write to the rock sources tree
03:07 < darix> ctp_: just for my curiosity: why are ebuild updates not acceptable for you?
03:20 < ctp_> darix: they update every week about 20 packages. so every week an update and reconfiguring the conffiles isnt acceptable.
03:20 < darix> ctp_: dont run update this often?
03:20 < darix> or only update manually package you want
03:20 < darix> ctp_: emerge -u iirc 
03:21 < ctp_> but installing a new app resolves dependencies and need newer verions installed.
03:22 < rolla> re
03:22 < ctp_> i see, you use gentoo. did you get the python problem 2 weeks ago. since then nothing works properly.
03:22 < rolla> darix: how is it going?
03:23 < rolla> funny 3 gentoo people in rocklinux
03:23 < ctp_> ;-)
03:23 < darix> ctp_: rocklinux wouldnt help you there either
03:23 < darix> if a programm needs newer files rocklinux has to update them too
03:23 < rolla> yeah
03:24 < darix> rolla: im not a gentoo user. my coworker is. and i learned some basics while watching him installing his athlon64 
03:24 < darix> :)
03:24 < ctp_> i use it. but i'm little depressed. i have to maintain 4 workstations and 2 servers running gentoo. i hate these updates ...
03:24 < darix> i'm a proud suse user.
03:24 < rolla> ;)
03:24 < darix> ctp_: install a proxy on one of them
03:24 < jsaw> i used to be a proud suse user. 
03:24 < rolla> darix: I am a proud gentoo user
03:24 < darix> ctp_: and i was told gentoo builds interims binary builds
03:24 < jsaw> hehe
03:25 < darix> ctp_: so build on one box installing on many boxes should be possible
03:25 * rolla use to use redhat
03:25 < darix> if all boxes have a similar package installation
03:25 < darix> rolla: suse is the better redhat ;p
03:25 < rolla> I am sure
03:25 < rolla> I got very sick of redhat
03:26 < ctp_> darix: the server are running pure x86, the pc's mixed x86 & ~x86.
03:27 < darix> ctp_: so build for both servers on one of them and install binaries on the other.
03:27 < ctp_> i think i switch back to the roots i grew up: debian. this summer sid will be released as stable.
03:27 < darix> the same for the workstations. one build. the rest uses binary install
03:27 < darix> doesnt sound hard
03:27 < darix> ctp_: sid will  never be released 
03:27 < darix> sarge will be released ;p
03:27 < darix> sid is always unstable. as i learned
03:28 < ctp_> darix: the hw is not the same. athlon64 & pentium4 on servers and duron, athlon, p3 ws. installing crosscompiled sources with the hw-optimization doesnt work i suppose.
03:28 < darix> ctp_: than suffer from compiling n-times ;)
03:29 < darix> ctp_: but at least theproxy can save a bit bandwidth :)
03:29 < ctp_> darix: it's late ;-) of course sarge. i was now on the sid package size to see what kernel they use ;-)
03:30 < darix> ctp_: make-kpkg ;p
03:31 < ctp_> darix: bandwidth isnt a prob. i think i was born to take debian ;-) but never tried rock. only saw it on some machines.
03:31 < rolla> ctp_: rock is much better than debian
03:31 < rolla> but then again I am not much for debian
03:31 < darix> ctp_: after debian fscking their own dependencies 3 times in a row and rendering my apache crashing i switched all boxes to suse. 
03:32 < ctp_> darix: yaeh, i know make-kpkg ;-) i read now on debianplanet.org that sarge will be released with kernel 2.6 this summer. but now 2.6 is only in sid.
03:32 < ctp_> rolla: whats the concept of rock in one sentence ?
03:33 < jsaw> and the standard answer is:
03:33 < rolla> abulity to build exactly what you want configured how you want and optomised how you want 
03:33 < ctp_> darix: but you didnt take woody but mixing them 3 ?
03:34 < darix> ctp_: i installed clean sarge
03:34 < jsaw> with a "kiss" build system if I may add
03:35 < ctp_> i think it would be great if every distribution would be installed outside on a public vserver, so everyone could play with (incl. shell). gentoo-hardened has one.
03:35 < rolla> yeah
03:35 < darix> ctp_: there are a lot of knoppix likes
03:36 < darix> for many distros
03:36 < darix> :)
03:36 < darix> checked them out all?
03:37 < ctp_> darix: yeah, the gentoo livecd will be released next week. but many of them doesnt have such a livecd.
03:37 < darix> Wrote: /usr/src/packages/RPMS/i586/irssi-0.8.9-4.i586.rpm
03:37 < darix> Wrote: /usr/src/packages/RPMS/i586/irssi-silc-plugin-1.0.1-4.i586.rpm
03:37 < darix> Wrote: /usr/src/packages/RPMS/i586/irssi-modules-0.8.9-4.i586.rpm
03:37 < ctp_> never tried slack for example
03:37 < rolla> darix: I am jsut getting ready to emerge irssi for my laptop
03:38 < darix> http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations
03:38 < darix> rolla: i just build irssi + silcplugin + some modules :)
03:38 < rolla> silcplugin?
03:38 < darix> http://www.penguin-breeder.org/silc/
03:39 < ctp_> i like a system running for 3-4 years properly without reinstalling. so no chance for mainstream distros.
03:41 < ctp_> someone of you using *bsd on a laptop ?
03:41 < darix> ctp_: you can run any linux this long
03:41 < rolla> darix: do you know if there is a eboild for silc?
03:41 < darix> you just have to install the security upgrade
03:41 < darix> +s
03:42 < darix> and dont whine if your system is too old than you want to install some newer program
03:42 < darix> ;)
03:42 < darix> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=silc+ebuild
03:42 < darix> more than one ;)
03:43 < darix> rolla: you are sure its not in the base?
03:43 < rolla> no idea
03:43 < rolla> how do I check?
03:43 < ctp_> darix: never saw a suse running > 2 years. and whats with all the rh8, rh9 installations not supported now?
03:43 < darix> rolla: emerge -s silc
03:43 < jsaw> i have a suse running over 2+ years.
03:44 < darix> ctp_: a friend upgraded his suse from 6.2 to 7.3
03:44 < rolla> ah
03:44 < darix> and imagine that was longer than 2y
03:46 < ctp_> darix: without dependencies trouble ?
03:47 < darix> ctp_: yes
03:48 < ctp_> i never saw a machine updated without trouble gcc 2.9->3. 
03:48 < darix> ctp_: 7.x doesnt use gcc 3
03:50 < ctp_> ah, ok. it's long time ago i saw the last suse box. the last i used was 5.2 ;-)
03:51 < darix> really a base for comparing with recent distros :)
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03:53 < rolla> darix: how do I reload the irssi binary without exiting?
03:54 < darix> /upgrade
03:55 < rolla> re
03:55 < ctp_> after suse i took mandrake. but the problem was all the mandrake groups and all the hints i found via google were in french ;-) so i took debian but have to maintain some pc's running rh(fedore) and several suse versions. but never looked for the exect version number ;-)
03:55 < rolla> ctp where are you in the world?
03:58 < darix> rolla: if you properly /upgraded
03:58 < darix> -d 
03:58 < darix> irssi tells you disconnect/connect
03:58 < darix> but you arent disconnected at all
03:58 < rolla> yeah
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04:00 < ctp_> rolla: germany. why ?
04:00 < rolla> just wondering
04:00 < rolla> if I was still the only non-german here
04:01 < darix> lol
04:02 < rolla> what?
04:02 < jsaw> rolla: :)
04:02 < darix> rolla: nothing =)
04:02 < rolla> :)
04:02 < ctp_> darix: i see. a student like me having 'vorlesugsfreie zeit' ? ;-))
04:02 * rolla is the only american that hangs out here most of the time
04:03 < darix> ctp_: no. i work 
04:03 < ctp_> ah, ok. i see the uni-rostock ;-)
04:04 < darix> yes. i admin this box. and i use it as my irc shell =)
04:06 < rolla> uni-rostock ? was ist das?
04:08 < ctp_> someone here from the germans participating in 'linux tag chemnitz'? i saw rock is there.
04:08 < ctp_> rolla: university of rostock
04:08 < darix> rolla: university of rostock
04:08 < jsaw> university of rostock (www.{uni-,}rostock.de)
04:08 < rolla> ach so
04:08 < jsaw> hehe
04:08 < darix> jsaw: www.rostock.de is the site of the city of rostock. :)
04:09 < jsaw> darix: he should also get an impression of the city :)
04:09 < darix> oh
04:09 < darix> :)
04:11 < ctp_> jsaw: regards to heidelberg ;-)
04:11 < jsaw> :)
04:12 < rolla> night all time for bed
04:13 < ctp_> jsaw: it should be the city of my choice i wanted study medicine. but no chance to get a place :-(
04:13 < ctp_> rolla: n8
04:13 < jsaw> ctp_: hmm, where are you?
04:13 < jsaw> cu rolla 
04:14 < ctp_> jsaw: tu braunschweig. medicine & computer science.
04:15 < jsaw> sounds interesting.
04:15 < ctp_> jsaw: yeah, it is ;-)
04:16 < jsaw> ctp_: here in our new "sychrotron centre" in the hospital they have only physicists for calculating the right dose and directions...
04:17 < jsaw> ctp_: how far are you?
04:17 < ctp_> jsaw: i was for 6 months at cern in zurich. i know these species ;-)
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04:18 * jsaw loves CERN
04:18 < jsaw> I was there as summer stundent.
04:18 < jsaw> ...long time ago...
04:18 < ctp_> jsaw: 11 semester. i think in 2 semesters i earn my money ;-)
04:19 < jsaw> earn money. oh. I'd also like to earn money.
04:19 < ctp_> jsaw: you are working as scientific researcher in heidelberg ?
04:20 < jsaw> doctoral thesis. building a miniature two-photon laser scanning microscope for freely moving rats.
04:20 < ctp_> where were you at cern and what did you make ?
04:20 < ctp_> jsaw: sounds nice ;-)
04:21 < jsaw> at CERN I did some simulations of some detector type
04:22 < jsaw> (some small hut, I could show you but don't ask me for names)
04:22 < ctp_> it's a small world ;-)
04:22 < jsaw> yep.
04:23 < ctp_> so, you are the proud suse user ? ;-)
04:24 < ctp_> i'm spoilt for choice. debian, slackware, *bsd, ...
04:24 < jsaw> I've been a proud suse user. I switched to Rock. Only my workstation in the lab is still SuSE.
04:25 < jsaw> (The only linux computer in the department.)
04:26 < jsaw> My boss wanted a homogenous MS env. Resistance was not futile.
04:26 < ctp_> ;-)
04:27 < ctp_> ok. i go to bed now. 10 o'clock i have to stand up. n8.
04:28 < jsaw> Family is out of town, so is my boss. I'll go to the lab around 14.00 hehe
04:28 < jsaw> cu ctp_ 
04:28 < ctp_> good luck becoming doctor ;-)
04:28 < jsaw> thanks.
04:30 < jsaw> ctp_: have a look at www.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de
04:31 < jsaw> ctp_: sometimes we have jobs for med guys with skillz
04:32 < ctp_> alles klar ;-)
04:32 < jsaw> (ich bin in der Bio-med. Optik)
04:33 < jsaw> darix: alive?
04:33 < darix> jsaw: schlafen tu ich nicht.
04:34 < jsaw> darix: admin, he? bofh?
04:34 < darix> jsaw: proud bofh :)
04:34 < jsaw> (I love our bofh.)
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04:35 < darix> jsaw: alias slay='su -c "kill -9 -1" $1'
04:35 < darix> :D
04:35 < darix> thats one of mine
04:36 < jsaw> whats about "lart"?
04:36 < darix> what do you mean?
04:36 < jsaw> do you also have an alias for that?
04:37 < jsaw> come on, you know what "lart" is, or?
04:37 < darix> no
04:37 < darix> i only know lartc.org ;)
04:38 < darix> and we use it quite much here :)
04:38 < jsaw> luser attitude readjustment tool
04:38 < darix> oh
04:38 < darix> hmm
04:38 < darix> on the forum or channels i have ban
04:38 < jsaw> http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/l/LART.html
04:39 < darix> for irssi: /alias KBIG kickban $0 $1-;ignore $0 CTCPS MSGS DCCS NOTICES
04:39 < darix> :D
04:39 < jsaw> me :! bias
04:40 < darix> /alias lamerball kick $0 $1-;invite $0 
04:40 < darix> *gg*
04:43 < jsaw> our bofh also has a great alias: alias kill=reboot, the problem however is
04:44 < darix> o.O
04:44 < jsaw> nobody knows/understands that the machine doesn't have to rebooted if one process takes the machine, so
04:44 < darix> lol
04:44 < jsaw> the to be annoyed user will never understand ...
04:45 < jsaw> but at least /me rotfl
04:46 < darix> the most important irssi alias: /alias quit echo dont do this at home
04:46 < jsaw> :)
04:48 < darix> ok
04:48 < darix> finally new irssi package is done :)
04:55 < darix> irssi v0.8.9 (20031210.2316) - I'm proud to use irssi. - http://irssi.org/
04:55 < darix> finally the stable back
04:55 < darix> cvs is too broken atm
04:57 < jsaw> me needs sleep, cu darix 
04:57 < darix> cya jsaw 
04:58 < jsaw> gn8
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14:01 < daja77> .oO (#rocklinux-flood)
14:35 < rolla> re
14:35 < daja77> wb rolla 
14:36 < rolla> thanks
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14:58 * rolla is bored
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15:11 < spectre> re
15:27 < holyolli> re
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16:07 < rolla> hmm is there a channel for dns
16:14 < darix> rolla: you only need oreilly bind & dns book
16:14 < rolla> I have it
16:14 < rolla> just was going to ask a question
16:16 < darix> rolla: just ask
16:17 < rolla> darix: moment I might have my answer :)
16:20 < rolla> darix: I am unable to get reverse lookup on 192.168.x.x ipaddress
16:20 < rolla> ** server can't find 230.2.168.192.in-addr.arpa: SERVFAIL
16:20 < darix> zone "35.168.192.in-addr.arpa" in {
16:20 < darix>      type master;
16:20 < darix>      file "35.168.192.zone";
16:20 < darix>      allow-transfer { none; };
16:20 < darix> };
16:20 < darix> you have something like thatin your named.conf?
16:22 < rolla> yeah I found it I mispelled a dman zone file name
16:22 < alanjwylie> what's in your 35.168.192.zone file?
16:22 * rolla feels dumb now
16:22 < darix>  cat /var/lib/named/35.168.192.zone
16:22 < darix> $TTL 1W
16:22 < darix> @               IN SOA          hydrogen.pixalized.technet.   root.linux.taugt.net. (
16:23 < darix>                                 200203201               ; serial (d. adams)
16:23 < darix>                                 2D              ; refresh
16:23 < darix>                                 4H              ; retry
16:23 < darix>                                 6W              ; expiry
16:23 < darix>                                 1W )            ; minimum
16:23 < darix>                 IN NS           hydrogen.pixalized.technet.
16:23 < darix> 1               IN PTR          h2.pixalized.technet.
16:23 < darix> 2               IN PTR          o2.pixalized.technet.
16:23 < darix> 3               IN PTR          n2.pixalized.technet.
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16:34 < alanjwylie> sorry - got carried away reading this week's BOFH in TheRegister.
16:34 < alanjwylie> one of the better ones :-)
16:34 < alanjwylie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/35786.html
16:35 < alanjwylie> remember to update your sequence number if you edit a zone file.
16:35 < alanjwylie> looks as if your 35.168.192.zone hasn't been changed for almost 2 years
16:36 < darix> alanjwylie: yes. as i dont use the subnet anymore :)
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16:36 < alanjwylie> your zone file looks OK at a first glance
16:37 < alanjwylie> only difference from mine is I have TTL values in each line
16:37 < alanjwylie> here's mine:
16:38 < alanjwylie> # cat 192.168.0.zone 
16:38 < alanjwylie> @                       1D IN SOA       localnameserver.localnet. alan.frogtrade.com. (
16:38 < alanjwylie>                                         2004020200      ; serial
16:38 < alanjwylie>                                         2M              ; refresh
16:38 < alanjwylie>                                         1M              ; retry
16:38 < alanjwylie>                                         1W              ; expiry
16:38 < alanjwylie>                                         1D )            ; minimum
16:38 < alanjwylie>                         1D IN NS        localnameserver.localnet.
16:38 < alanjwylie> 1                       1D IN PTR       frogapp.localnet.
16:38 < alanjwylie> 2                       1D IN PTR       frogweb.localnet.
16:38 < alanjwylie> 3                       1D IN PTR       frogconnect.localnet.
16:39 < alanjwylie> btw, when you change your serial number from 42, you should have deleted the (d. adams) comment ;-)
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16:39 < alanjwylie> you seem to have terminating dots on all your domain names, which is good
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17:06 < daja77> nice kernel headers are broken
17:11 < rolla> really
17:11 < daja77> the package itself works ...
17:12 < daja77> In file included from /usr/src/linux/include/linux/smp.h:17,
17:12 < daja77>                  from /usr/src/linux/include/linux/sched.h:22,
17:12 < daja77>                  from /usr/src/linux/include/linux/module.h:10,
17:12 < daja77>                  from main.c:10:
17:12 < daja77> /usr/src/linux/include/asm/smp.h:94:26: mach_apicdef.h: No such file or directory
17:12 < daja77> grmpf
17:13 * holyolli has currently a problem compiling xfree - bits/mathcalls.h makes some strange problems...has anyone experienced that also?
17:20 < rolla> holyolli: on your alpha?
17:20 * rolla wants to shoot his celron server 
17:20 < rolla> too slow 
17:20 < holyolli> rolla: nope. on a normal x86
17:20 < holyolli> i'm trying to build blindcoder's lvp
17:26 < rolla> ah
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17:31 < rolla> wb darix 
17:31 < darix> re
17:31 < darix> :)
17:31 < darix> just changed hostname
17:31 < rolla> :)
17:32 < daja77> do we have a working linux for alpha atm?
17:33 < holyolli> no
17:33 < rolla> :(
17:33 < holyolli> the glibc makes serious problems and i'm thinking of switching back to 2.2
17:33 < daja77> O_o
17:33 < holyolli> even all alphas in the hp-testbed have that version running
17:34 < holyolli> i got an account to test those machines there some days ago
17:35 < holyolli> daja77: rolla is sending me some disks so i have space to compile a bit more :)
17:35 < rolla> :)
17:35 < daja77> is their a place in the net where you can order ready distros for alpha?
17:36 < holyolli> redhat, debian and gentoo
17:36 < daja77> rh doesn't do it anymore iirc
17:36 < holyolli> Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma)
17:36 < holyolli> Kernel 2.4.9-32.5smp on an alpha
17:36 < holyolli> that one..that is the newest from rh
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17:38 < holyolli> in which svn revision did we use glibc-2.2.4 last?
17:38 < daja77> svn log?
17:42 < holyolli> can't find anything there..but perhaps i'm searching the wrong way
17:43 < daja77> :)
17:43 < daja77> guess it was before we switched to subversion
17:44 < holyolli> i think, i download some releases and search in them... ;-/
17:44 < rolla> hmm vserver doesn't seem to like 2.6 kernel
17:45 < daja77> nobody likes it ^^
17:45 < rolla> daja77: I love that kernel
17:45 < rolla> it made every server I put it on faster
17:45 < daja77> i mean the drivers don't like it
17:45 < rolla> hmm odd
17:45 < rolla> all the drivers I use work great even my wifi ones
17:47 < daja77> openafs, some audio drivers and stuff
17:51 < rolla> yeah
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18:22 < blindy> holyolli: bits/mathcalls.h ? there should be a patch in LVP to workaround that problem
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18:29 < holyolli> blindy: thanks a lot!
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22:09 < genbie> hi
22:09 < genbie> does ROCK run on Apple G5?
22:30 < rolla> genbie: 
22:31 < rolla> I think the answer is no
22:31 < rolla> but rxr would no for sure
22:31 < rolla> s/no/know/
22:32 < genbie> thx rolla
22:33 < daja77> yeah rxr, where is he
22:33 < rolla> np
22:33 < genbie> i am trying to choose a source-based dist
22:33 < rolla> is G5 ppc?
22:33 < genbie> can't choose easily
22:33 < daja77> yes but 64bit
22:33 < genbie> yes 970 ppc
22:33 < genbie> yes 64 bit
22:34 < genbie> it came out end of june 2003
22:34 < genbie> shipped end of august
22:34 < daja77> if you could supply hw to test it?
22:34 < rolla> yeah I know I just could not remember if it was ppc based as well 
22:34 < genbie> lol i will buy one soon
22:34 < rolla> oh
22:34 < genbie> daja77 i wish i had one
22:34 < daja77> :)
22:34 < rolla> you a mac head?
22:35 < rolla> why not go for athlon 64 to get 64 bit goodness :)
22:35 < genbie> i am going to convert into one soon lol
22:35 < genbie> bcz i want to toy with embedded development and the ppc is scalable to both desktop and embedded
22:36 < rolla> I see
22:37 < genbie> you have experience with other source distros?
22:39 < rolla> I use gentoo as well
22:39 < genbie> cool
22:39 < genbie> rolls how do they compare?
22:40 < genbie> i nticed the documentation on gentoo is superb
22:40 < rolla> yes it is very nice but finding the printer friendly version keeps getting harder
22:40 < genbie> lol
22:41 < genbie> rolla you know about onebase?
22:46 < rolla> nope
22:47 < genbie> ok
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