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01:33 < cytrinox> gn8
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03:06 < opticcow> hello
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04:44 < rolla> re
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11:16 < daja77> moin
11:24 < netrunner> moin daja77 
11:24 < daja77> hi netrunner 
11:26 * daja77 thinking about using fedora and building rpms fpr clt
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11:35 < daja77> only 10 days to get a working distro
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12:56 < mnemoc> moin =)
12:56 < mnemoc> .oO( 730 new mails :'( )o
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13:02 < cytrinox> moin
13:13 < mnemoc> moin
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14:08 < daja77> re
14:13 < mnemoc> moin daja77 
14:13 < daja77> moin mnemoc 
14:13 < mnemoc> knoppix-clt r.i.p.?
14:14 < daja77> hm?
14:14 < mnemoc> * daja77 thinking about using fedora and building rpms fpr clt
14:14 < daja77> nah for games demo
14:15 < daja77> not much games on knoppix, and no space left
14:15 < mnemoc> =)
14:15 < daja77> maybe i try with rock, but i dunno if the base is stabke again and stuff
14:17 < mnemoc> for minimal and my x-less target only uml_utilities is broken
14:17 < mnemoc> no idea about X'ed targets
14:17 < daja77> don't need uml
14:31 < rxr> re
14:31 < rxr> ok - the rocklinux-consulting.de server will move now again
14:31 < rxr> and so my mail will also be back online again ...
14:31 < rxr> cu in a hour ...
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14:32 < daja77> oh rxr was here
14:33 * daja77 np: Julia Ecklar - God wrote in Lisp
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14:49 < rolla> re
14:49 < daja77> wb rolla 
14:53 < rolla> thanks
14:53 * rolla is fighting with getting linux loaded on his alpha
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14:55 * daja77 laughing at that song
14:57 < rolla> song?
15:00 < daja77> 14:28  * daja77 np: Julia Ecklar - God wrote in Lisp
15:11 < jsaw_> re
15:11 < jsaw_> hi all
15:11 < mnemoc> re jsaw_ 
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15:12 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
15:20 * rolla wants all spammers to die
15:20 * daja77 too
15:21 * rolla goes to reconfig his spamassissan and set it to kill
15:21 < daja77> remote kill
15:33 < rolla> wow so many people and such a dead channel
15:44 < mnemoc> commit-less project makes a dead channel and a dead list :(
15:46 < daja77> ack
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15:47 < rene> re
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15:47 < mnemoc> :)
15:47 < mnemoc> wb rxr
15:47 < daja77> hi rxr
15:48 < clifford> hi rxr.
15:48 < clifford> what exactly was the glibc problem when you did the amd64 port?
15:49 < daja77> hi clifford!
15:49 < rxr> clifford: linking errors - and also the kernel got mixed 32bit vs. 64bit code
15:49 < rxr> clifford: take a look into the regression tester
15:49 < clifford> hmmm..
15:49 < rxr> but I did not a full port - just tinkering around a few minutes here and then ...
15:50 < rxr> otherwise it would probably already be solved ...
15:50 < clifford> I've built a 64 bit useland manually now just to run a few apps in 64 bit mode on a standard debian woody.
15:50 < clifford> I had no problems at all..
15:51 < clifford> (as soon as UML is ported to x86_64 we have an amd64 test system, btw.)
15:52 < daja77> cool
15:52 < daja77> btw can you all tell when do you plan to come :)
15:53 < clifford> does fake know already? I want to join him in munich..
15:53 < daja77> haven't spoke to him for a few days
15:54 < rxr> clifford: aha - so probaly some generic cross setup issue in our scripts ...
15:54 < rxr> clifford: would be nice if you could verify this ...
15:55 < clifford> I can't use the hardware for that right now.
15:56 < mnemoc> great to see such an interest in cross-stuff.. but what about the old but classic x86 and it's stabilization?
15:56 < jsaw> :)
15:58 < jsaw> btw, rxr: the e17 stuff must be reordered...
15:59 < clifford> rxr: after looking at the reg. tester logs: this is a missing -rpath-link to collect2.
15:59 < clifford> I just added that to my specs file manually..  ;-)
16:00 < clifford> that also explains why it is working with dietlibc: no dynamic loader and it's liker magic.
16:00 < daja77> clifford: how was fosdem=
16:00 < clifford> daja77: I haven't been there.
16:01 < daja77> why
16:01 < clifford> no time and no money.
16:01 < daja77> ic
16:01 < daja77> but you'll be there in 9 days? 
16:01 < clifford> yup. then I've got money...
16:02 < daja77> cool
16:02 < clifford> but until then I need to decide if I will spend the remaining 16 Euros and 30 cent in fuel or food ...  ;-(
16:02 < daja77> btw can i switch to a branch in submaster?
16:03 < clifford> oh. not straight-forward, no.
16:03 < daja77> that's what i feared
16:03 < jsaw> daja77: the kde thing?
16:03 < daja77> yep
16:04 < daja77> got errors ...
16:04 < jsaw> I have a patch if u want?
16:04 < daja77> for kde 3.2 stable?
16:05 < daja77> that would do the trick ...
16:05 < jsaw> yep (not tested yet, build still running. And a few rough edges, qt = qt33 but the variables have not been updated yet)
16:05 < daja77> i could try
16:05 < daja77> need a new rock for clt
16:05 < daja77> and have to add some games too
16:06 < jsaw> I have still tons of patches in my queue. I'll put the kde patch on sm tonight, ok?
16:06 < daja77> mail?
16:07 < jsaw> mail not from the lab I'm afraid...
16:07 < daja77> k. have write my studienarbeit anyway
16:07 < daja77> cu later
16:08 < mnemoc> cu daja77 
16:08 < blindy> hi hi and rehi
16:08 < jsaw> hi blindy 
16:08 < mnemoc> hi blindy 
16:09 < jsaw> blindy: sam (from sdl) is a nice guy
16:10 < blindy> jsaw: why?
16:10 * clifford is away again..
16:11 < jsaw> blindy: remember my patch for libsdl? We're discussing this since a few emails. Seems like I ran into a compiler bug.
16:12 < blindy> ouch
16:31 < darix> hi clifford 
16:34 < rxr> so - rehi
16:38 < daja77> :)
16:50 < rxr> lurker behaves strange ...
16:50 < rxr> has clifford asnwered to any of the recent stable/devel tree and so subversion write access mails ?
16:56 < daja77> some days ago
17:00 < jsaw> daja77: rxr was faster...
17:01 < rxr> jsaw: hm?
17:01 < jsaw> ...merging kde32
17:02 < rxr> jsaw: daja77: so no new mail from Clifford about that topic after my and mnemoc's mails?
17:03 < jsaw> yes, no new mail from cliff
17:03 < rxr> hm
17:04 < rxr> if clifford does not want write access in trunk for 2.1 I'll run an alternative branch like rock-open-trunk or so
17:04 < rxr> otherwise it will slow down me far too much
17:06 < daja77> what do you mean
17:07 < daja77> jsaw: yes in the branch not in trunk
17:08 < rolla> grrr
17:08 < jsaw> Added:
17:08 < jsaw>   trunk/package/kde/
17:08 < jsaw> Removed:
17:08 < jsaw>   trunk/package/kde31/
17:09 < jsaw> 2380!
17:09 < daja77> ah cool
17:10 < rxr> yeah - net at home would rock
17:10 < rxr> but at least the server back at Valentin's new home is good enought - and I have someone to serve tea, too ;-)
17:10 < jsaw> :)
17:12 < daja77> have fun
17:18 < blindy> WEE! nas works ^_^
17:26 < blindy> but killing my 400kB 802.11b connection >_<
17:40 < rxr> vi /etc/exports
17:40 < rxr> oO ... ;-)
17:41 < mnemoc> :)
17:43 < rxr> at leat not as worse as:
17:43 < rxr> passwd root
17:43 < rxr> tell_the_rockers
17:43 < rxr> ...
17:43 < blindy> MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
17:43 < blindy> IP-over-Firewire RULES
17:43 < rxr> blindy: I just to
17:43 < rxr> masqueraded over another iBook ...
17:44 < rxr> (forgot my Airport card at home ...)
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17:44 < blindy> rxr: my Centrino is too slow for nas, so I just plugged the firewire cable I had lying around into the main machine and the laptop :)
17:57 < rxr> what kind of NAS ? 
17:58 < blindy> Network Attached Sound :)
17:58 < daja77> that reminds me of that ldp misuse for jukeboxes article i read today
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18:07 < blindy> damn...
18:07 < blindy> _never_ _ever_ remove the 1394 cable while the fw-eth-device is up...
18:08 < jsaw> _never_ _ever_ switch of an external SCSI device that is not hotplug capable...
18:08 < blindy> heh
18:09 < blindy> both of my machines panic'ed, what happened to your disk?
18:09 < jsaw> (i have an external scsi cd burner on my desk. I switched it of once... panic)
18:09 < jsaw> not immediately, but on next bus access...
18:10 < rxr> rehi
18:10 < blindy> well, guess it's the best thing the kernel can do
18:11 < rxr> blindy: nope - write out an error into syslog
18:11 < rxr> but not panic
18:11 < rxr> linux has very bad error recovery
18:11 * jsaw goes modern-times-hunting for food
18:11 < jsaw> bbl
18:12 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:12 < blindy> rxr: that would be appropriate for a hotplug-capable device, but a non-hotplug-device?
18:12 < rxr> and here out two iBooks also just froze during high eth1394 netork i/o ...
18:12 < rxr> depends on how the bus behaves after that - if the bus is dead - write out timeouts into syslog and retry ...
18:12 < blindy> rxr: I can easily copy between both machines with 1.5MB/sec using scp and they don't freeze, but if I pull the plug...
18:12 < rxr> but never ever corrupt kernel memory - or freeze ...
18:13 < jsaw> rxr: in case of non-hotplug: checking for existance of device each time adds to much overhead
18:13 < rxr> jsaw: check on error ...
18:13 < blindy> best case would be to disable the whole SCSI-Bus to prevent data loss
18:13 < rxr> blindy: here too - but pushing NFS traffic which was masqueraded over w-lan was too much for the driver ..
18:13 < blindy> I see
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18:21 < blindy> hmm
18:21 < blindy> strange...
18:21 < blindy> from kilbourne to fuzzy I get up to 3MB/sec
18:21 < blindy> from fuzzy to kilbourne I only get a few hundred kB
18:26 < blindy> wtf are tlabels?
18:26 < rxr> often mean: technology labels in terms of version control
18:26 < rxr> where do you see those ?
18:28 < blindy> eth1394: No more tlabels left while sending to node 0-01:1023
18:28 < daja77> cool so i can start download kde32 soon
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18:33 < hEaDbAnG> hello
18:33 < daja77> hallo maya
18:33 < hEaDbAnG> had everyone the same problems with binutils, the tests failed...
18:34 < hEaDbAnG> !> ./test-demangle: 715 tests, 31 failures
18:35 < hEaDbAnG> can i deactivate the string to test every package without abort the building process? 
18:37 < rxr> hEaDbAnG: you use ROCK Linux to build the packages ?
18:37 < hEaDbAnG> yes
18:38 < hEaDbAnG> now its building gettext
18:38 < hEaDbAnG> but binutils failed...
18:39 < rxr> normally thoses tests are not run - you must have explicitly enabled them in scripts/Config
18:39 < rxr> it is in the expert options section - somwhere at the buttom of the first main option list ...
18:40 < hEaDbAnG> i know
18:40 < hEaDbAnG> i enabled it
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18:40 < hEaDbAnG> but can i disable it, without aborting the building process?
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18:42 < hEaDbAnG> it would cost me about 4 hrs :/
18:42 < hEaDbAnG> (sry for my bad english...)
18:42 < blindy> you can take up the build process where it stopped
18:43 < hEaDbAnG> ah 
18:43 < hEaDbAnG> nice
18:43 < hEaDbAnG> thx i will cancel it after gettext is ready 
18:45 < hEaDbAnG> will binutils build automatic one more time ? after resuming the building process?
18:47 < blindy> if you checked retry building broken packages, yes
18:47 < hEaDbAnG> k
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19:07 < hEaDbAnG> thx it works now
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19:19 < hEaDbAnG> mount: fs type devfs not supported by kernel
19:19 < hEaDbAnG> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 205: chroot: command not found
19:19 < hEaDbAnG> :(
19:21 < mnemoc> hEaDbAnG: what version are you building?
19:23 < hEaDbAnG> generic with 2.0.0-rc4
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19:24 < hEaDbAnG> kernel was 2.4.23 imho
19:25 < mnemoc> devfs requirement was removed at rev2084
19:25 < hEaDbAnG> hm
19:25 < mnemoc> i guess that was right after rc4 tag... or not?
19:26 < mnemoc> hEaDbAnG: can you update your rock-src?
19:26 < hEaDbAnG> is rc4 not the newest version?
19:26 < rxr> nope
19:26 < hEaDbAnG> oh
19:26 < hEaDbAnG> shit
19:26 < hEaDbAnG> :>
19:26 < mnemoc> trunk is newest version :)
19:27 < rxr> hEaDbAnG: or do you mean last tarball release - yeah might be rc4 ... 
19:27 < hEaDbAnG> yeah tarball
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19:29 < hEaDbAnG> what have i to do?
19:30 < mnemoc> rxr: did you received correct the iso i sent you?
19:30 < mnemoc> hEaDbAnG: update using svn
19:31 < hEaDbAnG> svn?
19:31 < mnemoc> subversion
19:31 < hEaDbAnG> k
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19:36 < holyolli> moin
19:38 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 
19:38 < holyolli> hola mnemoc
19:54 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess the ISOs are here ... - mom
19:55 < rxr> hm- no md5 ...
19:55 < rxr>    1 mnemoc   external 246023930 Feb 20 20:09 minimal-rev2366-pmmx_cd1.iso.bz2
19:55 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 mnemoc   external     4662 Feb 20 20:09 minimal-rev2366-pmmx_index.txt.bz2
19:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what if you set shell to /bin/true ?
19:55 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm - interesting idea ... ;-)
19:55 < rxr> mnemoc: we try the next time ;-)
19:56 < rxr> baed656a56c881ac0965f864568af786  minimal-rev2366-pmmx_cd1.iso.bz2
19:56 < mnemoc> ok ;)
19:56 < rxr> is this correct ?
19:56 < mnemoc> w8
19:56 * rxr the possibility to cut'n paste is nice ;-)
19:56 < daja77> hehe
19:56 < mnemoc> isn't it patented? o_O
19:57 < mnemoc> (same md5sum)
19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: ok
19:59 < mnemoc> btw, that has iproute2-ahu
20:01 < rxr> I put them into a 2.0.0-beta4 folder
20:01 < rxr> and they have the fixed dietlibc ?
20:02 < rolla> I accdently set my mail filter to send all mail to /dev/null
20:02 < rolla> got rid of spam good :)
20:02 < daja77> hehe
20:02 < mnemoc> rxr: uhm? wasn't the patch on the trunk?
20:03 < rxr> erhm - .... - nope
20:03 < mnemoc> :\
20:03 < rxr> this is why I pulled the whole new dietlibc version ...
20:03 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll svn up only that 
20:03 < mnemoc> and rebuild bootdisk and the pacakge at minimal
20:04 < jsaw> rxr: is the xfree86 licence thing resolved?
20:05 < rxr> I did not saw a problem - and AFAIHunderstood blindcoder also later said it seems to be ok ...
20:05 < mnemoc> .oO( it's bad to asume things )
20:05 < jsaw> I don't think so.
20:05 < mnemoc> .oO( hm? i'm tyaling about dietlibc )
20:05 < rxr> The XFree86 Project, Inc is announcing that it has made a change to its license effective with the Third Release Candidate for the 4.4.0 series. This licence, like our previous, is fully free, (how do we know this? no less than the world authority on free software, RMS, has said so) and it's the hope of the XFree86 Project to no longer allow non-free licences into our tree so we can become a fully free-software compliant X product...
20:06 < rxr> What motivated this stance and changes to the base license are the Project's desire to strengthen its stated policy of "You can do what you like with the code except claim you wrote it ".
20:07 < jsaw> I don't care. It might be a good idea but if it's not (yet) compatible with the GPL?
20:07 < rxr> jsaw: this discussion about this bizarre views are to boring for me 
20:08 < rxr> I think the license fits when linking against GPL code
20:08 < rxr> if some GPL project has problems those crazzy folks can fight it out themeselves ..
20:08 < jsaw> as long as there's no *real* clarifaction I strongly object to updating 
20:08 < jsaw> no, you DISTRIBUTE the stuff.
20:09 < rxr> jsaw: it is now even freeer then before
20:09 < jsaw> Still you may not distribute binaries together with GPL'ed stuff
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20:10 < rxr> my code is in this crap ...The license change will be fully effective as of the 4.4.0 release.
20:11 < jsaw> And what?
20:12 < jsaw> This does not change the licence.
20:12 < rxr> this at least explains we do not have a problem with this new RC
20:13 < rxr> maybe with -final - but I do not think so <dot>
20:13 < rxr> The first difference is that both the source code and the binary redistribution are now explicitly addressed, because the original 1.0 license failed to clarify what it meant when it referred to "the Software". Traditionally, "software" in the free software world meant "source code". However, our license allows binary-only redistributions, and there is no provision under the 1.0 license that specifically covers our licence notices reproduct
20:13 < rxr> The second difference is that the new license, unike the old one, explicitly requires that the copyright holders and its contributors be acknowledged in the end user documentation which accompanies redistribution, in the software binaries itself.
20:14 < rxr> We do ship the user documentation as it is with the usual Copyright acknowledgements of XFree - and thus I do not see any problem
20:14 < rxr> _we do not remove or modify and acknowledgement in it_
20:14 < jsaw> HELLO. The GPL does not allow extra terms.
20:15 < mnemoc> --><--
20:17 < rxr> The 1.1 license is not GPL-compatible. To avoid new issues with application programs that may be licensed under the GPL, the 1.1 licence is not being applied to client side libraries.
20:17 < rxr> jsaw: keep working on ROCK and do not spring on other peoples license FUD ...
20:18 < jsaw> man, I don't want to be subject to licence clashes if it comes down to that. I u want to shut up my concerns I know what I have to do.
20:18 < hEaDbAnG> i get the same error :/
20:18 < jsaw> Simply ignoring it won't resolve the situation.
20:19 < rxr> jsaw: I do not ignore it - I think it is solved
20:19 < rxr> 20:12 < rxr> The 1.1 license is not GPL-compatible. To avoid new issues with application
20:19 < rxr>              programs that may be licensed under the GPL, the 1.1 licence is not being
20:19 < rxr>              applied to client side libraries.
20:19 < rxr> all the stuff above have been quotes from the xfree86 page ...
20:20 < hEaDbAnG> do i have to start everything from the beginning after update to trunk ?
20:20 < rxr> hEaDbAnG: normally not - but since the version info changed it should start into a fresh build/... dir after you have run ./scripts/Config
20:21 < hEaDbAnG> becauese i get the same error
20:21 < hEaDbAnG> mount: fs type devfs not supported by kernel
20:21 < hEaDbAnG> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 205: chroot: command not found
20:21 < mnemoc> that's not the same error afaics :p
20:21 < mnemoc> ignore that line :(
20:21 < rxr> you are not seeming to run an svn updated tree
20:22 < rxr> such a tree would not try to mount devfs ...
20:22 < hEaDbAnG> i dont know :/
20:22 < hEaDbAnG> svn co svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk
20:22 < hEaDbAnG> ...
20:22 < mnemoc> cd trunk
20:22 < rxr> you you are in the "trunk" dir you got ?
20:22 < hEaDbAnG> no :/
20:23 < hEaDbAnG> hm
20:23 < hEaDbAnG> k i copy the config
20:23 < mnemoc> the config/$foo dir, yes
20:23 < mnemoc> to move download (or bind it) i sane too
20:23 < mnemoc> is*
20:26 < hEaDbAnG> hm
20:27 < mnemoc> rxr: can i upload you minimal-r2366+diet (in a couple of hours)?
20:27 < blindy> redi
20:27 < blindy> rehi
20:27 < hEaDbAnG> i download everything one more time...
20:27 < rxr> mnemoc: sure
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20:27 < mnemoc> hEaDbAnG: that's not sane :\
20:27 < rxr> you can use rsync to save some bits ...
20:28 < rxr> please do not waste too much uplink bandwith I might get prolems from the university in that case ...
20:28 < mnemoc> to me or to hEaDbAnG?
20:29 < holyolli> hm. why don't we use the mirrors more for such problems?
20:29 < jsaw> rxr: can you give me the url for this sentence?
20:29 < rxr> to you mnemoc - outgoing traffic is free - but the university has to pay for incomming traffic ..
20:29 < hEaDbAnG> hm
20:29 < hEaDbAnG> but the files are older...
20:30 < rxr> jsaw: oehm - I'm already reading other sites - this was all from the lincense announcement - and the FAQ for the 1.1. license ...
20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: O_o  ... ok. only 250M+ssh2_overhead
20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: do not bzip2 them
20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: renamt the file on the server side
20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: use rsync over ssh
20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: : rsync -arv -e ssh ....
20:32 < mnemoc> rxr: i have never done that before but i love to learn things :p
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20:32 < rxr> I read ssh is the default for new rsync version - but have not verified this ...
20:32 < mnemoc> hi A-Tui 
20:33 < rxr> mnemoc: just use rsync as you would have done - just add "-e ssh" and the username@server before the remove filename ...
20:35 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc
20:35 < A-Tui> i send a mail to ML and seems don'r arrived :(
20:36 < togg> hi all
20:36 < togg> anyone has a target with a _small_ Xfree Setup ?
20:36 < blindy> rxr: I just went through a diff of LVP vs rev 2376, and it seems like I can easily adapt it to be included in ROCK if two additional packages are added, one of them quite intrusive I think: freeglut
20:37 < blindy> togg: Xfree setup?
20:37 < togg> blindy: i mean minimum size, but with X and openbox e.g.
20:37 < blindy> oehm... no, then not >_<
20:37 < togg> :)
20:38 < togg> anyone else maybe? :)
20:40 < rxr> togg: not at hand - but I could build such a thing in over a night if vital ...
20:43 < jsaw> rxr: I'm sorry, but I still stand to what I said. What you were quoting is not at all precise. The source files carry the new licence (also client libs) without any other notice. <dot>
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20:43 < tsa> hi
20:44 < holyolli> hi tsa ;-)
20:44 < tsa> anyone alive with write-access to the repository? please commit at least the security fixes - this starts to get on my nerves.
20:45 < mnemoc> tsa: rxr i here
20:45 < mnemoc> tsa: is*
20:45 < tsa> good.
20:46 < tsa> rene: apply, apply, apply!
20:47 < tsa> ..and remove the damn opera package - this is pending since dec 2003..
20:47 < rxr> tsa: hi
20:47 < tsa> aaah!
20:48 < tsa> rxr: i know you're busy - but please remove opera and apply the fixes for metamail. everything else can wait a little longer, if needed.
20:49 < rxr> opera removed
20:49 < tsa> good - thanks.
20:49 < rxr> tsa: nah - I'm not busy - just often without net ...
20:49 < rxr> which security patches eactly - before I vanish for today?
20:49 < rxr> ML or submaster ?
20:49 < tsa> hehe...that makes working on the tree a little difficult, i suppose ;)
20:50 < tsa> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:33:47 +0100
20:50 < tsa> From: Sebastian Jaenicke <tsa@jaenicke.org>
20:50 < tsa> Subject: [rock-linux] [patch][SECURITY] metamail
20:50 < tsa> this one.
20:50 < mnemoc> tsa: why not submaster?
20:50 < rxr> ok - on progress
20:51 < tsa> mnemoc: no time to try it so far..i'm busy, too ;)
20:51 < mnemoc> =)
20:52 < blindy> tsa: I posted a small bash function to use curl to upload the patches to submaster
20:52 < rxr> done
20:53 < tsa> rxr: thanks a lot.
20:53 < rxr> tsa: one more?
20:53 < tsa> rxr: opera and metamail were the most important ones..
20:53 < rxr> I hope to process a big fat bunch tomorrow ...
20:54 < blindy> rxr: that would ROCK :)
20:54 < tsa> if you have some more time, cyrus-sasl would be nice - the reworked patch using install filter was sent to the list, too.
20:54 < tsa> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:55:28 +0100
20:54 < tsa> From: Sebastian Jaenicke <tsa@jaenicke.org>   
20:54 < tsa> Subject: Re: [rock-linux] [patch] cyrus-sasl2   
20:54 < blindy> tsa: have you tried the bash-function?
20:55 < tsa> should really look into submaster soon.
20:55 < tsa> blindy: so far-- no. just looking for it in my mailing list archive
20:55 < blindy> tsa: you don't need a local submaster for it, a account on the website is enough to use it.
20:56 < tsa> dont have any website account (except the flyspray one).
20:56 < mnemoc> tsa: you can't be busy enough for being unable to fill a two-inputs-form
20:57 < blindy> 20040129125201.GB6027@scavenger.homeip.net
20:57 < tsa> found it.
20:57 < blindy> mnemoc: three inputs: you have to enter the password twice :)
20:57 < mnemoc> =)
20:59 < tsa> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
20:59 < tsa> Not allowed character in password!
20:59 < tsa> WTF?
20:59 < mnemoc> =)
20:59 < blindy> *lol*
20:59 < mnemoc> he is unable to fill a three-inputs-form :p
20:59 < blindy> what has clifford done there :)
20:59 < tsa> *chooses simple password*
20:59 < blindy> mnemoc: no, he just hits bugs with an astonishining precision :)
21:00 < tsa> tried "As$d2-G3t"
21:00 * blindy writes down password
21:00 < mnemoc> blindy: it's on the weblog now :)
21:00 < tsa> blindy: no problem - thats the one it didnt want.
21:01 < blindy> mnemoc: I don't trust esden anymore... he has started to become... strange, you know...
21:01 < blindy> tsa: damn ;)
21:01 < mnemoc> what's esden doing there?
21:01 < blindy> mnemoc: rumor has it that he's now using Fedora...
21:02 < tsa> looks like i have a "website account" now - whatever that's supposed to mean.
21:02 < tsa> ok.
21:02 < tsa> next question.
21:02 < tsa> whos running linux 2.6?
21:02 < blindy> tsa: yeah, submaster needs to be Polished a bit :)
21:02 * blindy whistles innocently
21:03 < tsa> ok, good. i use lilo. this works:
21:03 < tsa> image=/boot/2424
21:03 < tsa>         label=rock
21:03 < tsa>         append="root=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target8/lun0/part2"
21:03 < tsa>         read-only
21:03 < tsa> this one doesnt:
21:03 < tsa> image=/boot/263
21:03 < tsa>         label=rock26
21:03 < tsa>         append="root=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target8/lun0/part2"
21:03 < tsa>         read-only
21:04 < mnemoc> 2424 looks funny
21:04 < tsa> panics, cannot find root fs, append correct root=something line
21:04 < blindy> mnemoc: 2323 would be strange :)
21:04 < mnemoc> lol
21:04 < blindy> tsa: sure you have devfs in 26? there was a LOT discussion about it right before 2.6
21:05 < tsa> $ grep DEVFS /usr/src/linux-2.6.3/.config
21:05 < tsa> CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y
21:05 < tsa> CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y
21:05 < blindy> tsa: what about the SCSI module for your controller??
21:05 < tsa> blindy: aic7896 adaptec.
21:05 < blindy> tsa: file system?
21:05 < tsa> tried both aic7xxx and aic7xxx_old - same result.
21:06 < tsa> reiserfs.
21:06 < tsa> $ grep REISERFS /usr/src/linux-2.6.3/.config
21:06 < tsa> CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=y
21:06 < blindy> is that the same reiserfs version? I haven't followed on the fs-edge...
21:06 < tsa> $ grep AIC /usr/src/linux-2.6.3/.config
21:06 < tsa> CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y
21:06 < tsa> yes, it is.
21:07 < jsaw> anything in your boot log about "not able to mount devfs_fs sth."?
21:07 < tsa> any devfs namespace changes between 2.4 and 2.6?
21:07 < tsa> jsaw: no root fs, therefore no boot log.. ;)
21:08 < jsaw> (on lkml you normally hear sth. about writing down the boot log by hand :)
21:08 < blindy> tsa: try do put some printk in kernel/do_mount.c (IIRC)
21:08 < blindy> jsaw: serial console is the way to go!
21:08 < blindy> or console on line printer :)
21:08 < jsaw> tsa: what's about /dev/discs/...?
21:08 < jsaw> blindy: :)
21:08 < tsa> hehe
21:09 < tsa> jsaw: tried that, too - no difference.
21:09 < blindy> hmm.... I could really ut up a console on line printer... I have an old NEC P20 here and a "server"-machine without a monitor...
21:09 < blindy> tsa: try sdh2
21:10 < tsa> will try sdh2 - brb
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21:12 < rxr> ok - cu tomorrow (hopefully)
21:12 < blindy> bye
21:12 < jsaw> bye bye rxr
21:12 * blindy also --> bed
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21:13 < mnemoc> blindy: gn8
21:13 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
21:14 < jsaw> bye bye blindy 
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21:17 < mnemoc> *yawn*
21:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: *coffee*
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21:21 < tsa> doesn't work.
21:21 < tsa> tried /dev/discs/.., sdh2, sda2, ..
21:21 < jsaw> bios code?
21:21 < tsa> hm?
21:21 < jsaw> lilo or grub tell you sth. like 0x0303
21:22 < tsa> ah...no, nothing like that.
21:22 < jsaw> did you try it?
21:22 < tsa> scsi driver detects all the discs, so it should be ok
21:23 < jsaw> that does not mean that the mapping, namespace, whatever is correct on boot?
21:23 < jsaw> different target number e.g.
21:24 < tsa> i even rdev'd the boot device into the kernel image using (major, minor) 
21:31 < jsaw> me now ps2'ing, bbl
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21:59 < mnemoc> hEaDbAnG: did you have luck?
22:00 < hEaDbAnG> i had to restart everything
22:00 < hEaDbAnG> now its building glibc
22:00 < hEaDbAnG> i hope everything will work
22:00 < daja77> re
22:00 < mnemoc> re daja77 
22:00 < hEaDbAnG> but everything works better... i think
22:01 < daja77> thx mnemoc 
22:02 < A-Tui> dockapps should be added in extra/windowmanager or in extra/tool?
22:03 < hEaDbAnG> window...
22:03 < hEaDbAnG> i think
22:03 < A-Tui> ok
22:07 < hEaDbAnG> :/
22:08 < hEaDbAnG> error while building gcc3
22:08 < hEaDbAnG> damn
22:08 < mnemoc> what error?
22:09 < daja77> cool A-Tui made a patch
22:09 < A-Tui> daja77, me?
22:09 < hEaDbAnG> root/trunk/build/default-2.0.0-rc5-x86-athlon-xp-32-gen ..
22:09 < hEaDbAnG> !> ../../gcc/libgcc2.c:2093: warning: no previous prototype ..
22:09 < hEaDbAnG> !> make[1]: *** [libgcc/./_stack_smash_handler.o] Error 1
22:09 < hEaDbAnG> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/trunk/src.gcc3.1077742 ..
22:09 < hEaDbAnG> !> make: *** [libgcc.a] Error 2
22:09 < hEaDbAnG> !> make: Leaving directory `/root/trunk/src.gcc3.1077742736 ..
22:10 < daja77> A-Tui: sorry conbfused your mail with a patch
22:10 < A-Tui> daja77, :)
22:10 < A-Tui> daja77, i'm trying to build a patch to sylpheed to run gpgme 0.4.4
22:11 < daja77> k. :)
22:11 < A-Tui> but i'm not very experimented with that stuffs :(
22:11 < A-Tui> and i'm really very slow :)
22:11 < daja77> don't worry
22:12 < mnemoc> A-Tui: the first time is always the most difficult to achieve
22:13 < A-Tui> yeah, i hope that :)
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22:24 < hEaDbAnG> oh shit
22:24 < hEaDbAnG> every package failed
22:24 < hEaDbAnG> after gcc
22:24 < hEaDbAnG> :/
22:26 < hEaDbAnG> ah because gcc failed
22:26 < hEaDbAnG> but how can i solve the problem
22:29 < A-Tui> one stupid question, when i added a new pkg how can i include it into INDEX with the correct download/* path?
22:29 < mnemoc> hEaDbAnG: you can't allow any <2 package to fail
22:29 < daja77> just flag it X in desc file
22:30 < hEaDbAnG> but i must build gcc...
22:30 < A-Tui> ops i think i found my error
22:30 < hEaDbAnG> and it just abbort if it fails
22:31 < A-Tui> daja77, and with an O doesn't download it?
22:32 < daja77> it would be downloaded when you say Download -all
22:32 < A-Tui> mmm don't run, there is something i'm doing bad
22:32 < mnemoc> A-Tui: ./scripts/Download -package $foo
22:33 < daja77> or that
22:33 < hEaDbAnG> hm...
22:33 < A-Tui> mnemoc, yes, i do that, but script stop when "procesing  pattern download/*/wmint/*"
22:33 < hEaDbAnG> i test another configuration...
22:33 < mnemoc> and?
22:33 < hEaDbAnG> i hope it will work
22:36 < A-Tui> ops what a stupid error! i forgot the checksum field
22:36 < A-Tui> should that be advised?
22:38 < mnemoc> A-Tui: there is an script to validate the .desc file
22:39 < mnemoc> but we can't check for errors every file every time
22:39 < A-Tui> ok
22:42 < A-Tui> i found the script thanks
22:45 < mnemoc> :)
22:47 < holyolli> cu
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22:49 < hEaDbAnG> damn
22:49 < hEaDbAnG> :/
22:50 < hEaDbAnG> the same error
22:51 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> gcc failed
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> /root/trunk/build/default-2.0.0-rc5-x86-athlon-xp-32-cro ..
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> !> ../../gcc/libgcc2.c:2093: warning: no previous prototype ..
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> !> make[1]: *** [libgcc/./_stack_smash_handler.o] Error 1
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/trunk/src.gcc3.1077745 ..
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> !> make: *** [libgcc.a] Error 2
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> !> make: Leaving directory `/root/trunk/src.gcc3.1077745226 ..
22:51 < hEaDbAnG> ...
22:52 < mnemoc> can you take a look into src.gcc...../ERROR-LOG and paste on *query* the real last -10 ?
22:52 < hEaDbAnG> jep
23:18 < daja77> n8 you all
23:19 * daja77 now syncing his tree
23:19 < daja77> :)
23:19 < togg> hi. anybody knows how i can remove the bdb33 compile bug?
23:19 < mnemoc> togg: what compile bug?
23:20 < togg> it does not compile :)
23:20 < tsa> hehe...bdb..
23:20 * tsa giggles
23:20 < togg> its an error in bdb33.conf
23:20 < togg> hook_add postmake 4
23:20 < jsaw> svn up?
23:21 < togg> sure!
23:21 < tsa> rock linux currently consists of ~ 1000 packages, half of them being different versions of bdb.. ;-)
23:21 < mnemoc> [ -e foo ] || ln foo ?
23:21 < togg> yep
23:21 < jsaw> ts: muahahahah
23:21 < jsaw> +a
23:21 < togg> bug is in there some weeks now :)
23:22 < togg> mnemoc: in the old version of bdb33.conf without the [ -r it worked
23:22 < mnemoc> || is fine, && is wrong
23:22 < mnemoc> what do u have?
23:23 < tsa> a clean solution would be to have one bdb package (most recent stable version) only. everything else that requires a specific version of bdb should be statically linked.
23:23 < togg> mnemoc: what u mean?
23:23 < jsaw> togg: what is after the closing ], && or ||
23:23 < togg> mnemoc: u mean i should replace && with || ?
23:23 < mnemoc> paste your hook_add postmake 4
23:24 < mnemoc> togg: yes :p
23:24 < togg> && 
23:24 < togg> hmm sounds right
23:24 < togg> go and update svn :)
23:24 < darix> looks like the committer is busy ;)
23:24 < mnemoc> i don't know if it's fixed on the turnk
23:25 < togg> hook_add postmake 4 '[ -e $includedir/${pkg:1:3} ] || \
23:25 < togg>                      ln -svf ${pkg:1} $includedir/${pkg:1:3}'
23:25 < jsaw> yes, that's right
23:25 < togg> i updated ;)
23:25 < togg> b4 it was &&
23:25 < jsaw> in the trunk, there's the &&
23:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: I thought the patch was committed long time ago?
23:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: me too
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