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01:20 < skunk2k> n8
01:38 < daja77> blindy: nope it had nothing to do with it i only had rev 2389 here
01:38 < daja77> blindy: i update now and retry
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02:32 < mnemoc> *yawn*
02:33 < batok> hi mnemoc
02:37 < mnemoc> hi batok 
02:37 < batok> I have some trouble making things work with php :(
02:38 < batok> What I need is to recompile php with mssql support
02:38 < batok> It's a php extension
02:41 < batok> Tomorrow I have to take a decision of installing Rock , OpenBSD or RH9 in a customer's box
02:42 < batok> As I see there's no "easy way" of making things work as I need with Rock... Same for OBSD
02:43 < batok> With RH9 is simply a matter of copying some files after installation
02:44 < mnemoc> re
02:45 < mnemoc> you need to add a .conf for php on your target
02:45 < mnemoc> append the confopt and source the 'official' .conf
02:46 < batok> what's a confopt?
02:47 < mnemoc> --with-msql or whatever it is
02:47 < mnemoc> confopt is the string used as argument for ./configure
02:48 < SMP> just install apache, php by hand, problem solved.
02:48 < mnemoc> yes, that's other way 
02:48 < SMP> if you're smart you will do it in a way that allows you to upgrade it without having to remove the existing installation
02:49 < SMP> or overwrite it
02:49 < mnemoc> /package/ ?
02:50 < SMP> well not exactly, just some custom --prefix
02:50 < batok> a php extension is usually a .so file
02:50 < batok> thats what I need I think
02:51 < SMP> just build it into php, no need for an extension
02:51 < batok> ok
02:52 < SMP> what you need is FreeTDS or whatever the MSSQL support in php uses
02:52 < batok> I have downloaded and installed FreeTDS already
02:53 < SMP> ok, then --with-mssql should just work
02:54 < SMP> or give the base of your FreeTDS installation as an argument, depending on what the base is
02:54 < batok> usr/local
02:55 < batok> the default
02:56 < batok> ok guys, thank you
02:56 < batok> got to go!
02:57 < batok> bye mnemoc SMP
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09:00 < blindy> moin
09:27 < togg> moin
09:27 < togg>  anybody here ever also got a problem with rockplug scanning pci-bus on startup?
09:28 < togg> i get "Invalid invocation of /etc/rockplug/pci.plug" several times
09:30 < blindy> no, haven't seen something like that
09:34 < blindy> someone want to take a SUN web-training for me?
10:00 < daja77> moin
10:00 < blindy> moin moin daja77 
10:01 < daja77> moin blindy
10:03 * blindy cries
10:04 < blindy> root@fuzzy:~/DEVELOPMENT/lvp# svn commit -m "Initial repository layout"
10:04 < blindy> Authentication realm: <http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de:80> Linux Video Player repository
10:04 < blindy> Username: blindcoder
10:04 < blindy> Password for 'blindcoder': 
10:04 < blindy> Adding         branches
10:04 < blindy> svn: RA layer request failed
10:04 < blindy> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
10:04 < blindy> svn: MKCOL of /lvp/!svn/wrk/fbab5d0a-8ed4-0310-a16b-8a8afd4bcc73/branches: 405 Method Not Allowed (http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de)
10:04 < blindy> root@fuzzy:~/DEVELOPMENT/lvp# 
10:04 < daja77> :(
10:10 < daja77> Due to lingering problems with the new Savannah infrastructure and
10:10 < daja77> policy which make our task of contributing Free Software unreasonably
10:10 < daja77> harder, the Adeos project has moved and is now hosted by GNA
10:10 < daja77> (http://www.gna.org/projects/adeos). 
10:10 < daja77> rofl
10:11 < blindy> heh
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10:18 < blindy> I get a headache >_<
10:18 < daja77> :(
10:18 < blindy> too much marketese...
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10:29 < daja77> *gna* this all sucks
10:30 < blindy> yes. yes, indeed.
10:31 < daja77> all is so screwed
10:31 < daja77> old fscking kernel packages and stuff
11:11 * blindy --> gym
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12:22 < daja77> *sigh* seems i have to use fedora
12:23 < daja77> !> checking for gcc... gcc-3
12:23 < daja77> !> checking whether the C compiler (gcc-3  ) works... no
12:23 < daja77> !> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: ..
12:41 < daja77> sigh /me now trying to build from scratch
12:41 < daja77> grr @ compiler update
12:42 < daja77> cu later
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13:21 < togg> clifford: hi cliff i have a wish regarding rockinit :) - wouldnt it be possible to do it more the suse way? i dont like that rock doesnt supports a more global configuration of the output format on system startup e.g.
13:23 < togg> clifford: e.g. a colorful output, no-color output or no-output (maybe just dots). atm the initscript generation out of the templates with block_begin and block_end isnt really nice i think...
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13:39 < clifford> togg: this is on the 2.1 todo - adding a 3rd init style which is using global functions for output.
13:39 < clifford> this way it would also be possible to e.g. plud lcd output to it.
13:45 < togg> clifford: hey cool , then i havent to do this :D
13:46 < togg> clifford: (when will 2.1 be released [or get to svn] ?) - dont say it's ready when it's done ;)
13:48 < A-Tui> hi, i have made some pkgs for my use, should i send patchs to the ML?
13:49 < togg> A-Tui: yes pls do (if that are usefull packages of course ;)
13:50 < daja77> re
13:50 < A-Tui> togg, they are usefull for me, sure :)
13:50 < SMP> yes, sure, but only if they won't raise my blood-pressure ;>
13:51 < togg> :)
13:51 < SMP> togg: development on 2.1 has not yet started
13:51 < mnemoc> A-Tui: try to use submaster
13:51 < daja77> >_<
13:51 < A-Tui> mnemoc, ok, then i must read about it
13:52 < daja77> plain svn is much nicer
13:52 < SMP> plain svn and sm solve different problems
13:52 < mnemoc> plain svn doesn't allow you to version your own work
13:52 < daja77> i know
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13:53 < SMP> but sm doesn't allow fine grained versioning of other people's work ;)
13:53 < daja77> but commiting to local repo failed again for me, due some updates >_<
13:53 < A-Tui> the what is the best way, plain or submaster? :)
13:54 < A-Tui> s/the/then
13:54 < SMP> both
13:54 < daja77> yeah that's what i thought this night too
13:55 < clifford> SMP: please no!
13:55 < A-Tui> ok, then i will read about submaster first
13:57 < mnemoc> A-Tui: it's not panacea but solved many problems in rock
13:57 < daja77> it only creates problems here *sigh*
13:58 < A-Tui> submaster lets me update src whitout the lost of local changes?
13:58 < mnemoc> svn too
13:58 < mnemoc> only rsync doesn't
13:59 < SMP> clifford: then tell me using submaster what other files were changed in the upstream changeset that the last change of foo/bar/baz.conf was made in?
13:59 < mnemoc> .oO( but i like tla more )
14:00 < A-Tui> i usually get updates via scripts/Update-Src
14:00 < SMP> ugh
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14:04 < clifford> SMP: after reading you msg 3 times I'm sure know that i don't understand it. what do you mean?
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14:06 < SMP> clifford: the point is that changeset-granularity from upstream gets lost with sm
14:14 < clifford> SMP: yes. you just see one update message in your local 'svn log'.
14:16 < blindy> hi
14:16 < daja77> ho blindy 
14:16 < daja77> blindy: i restartet a build from scratch, maybe my revision was too old
14:19 < blindy> daja77: Okay, let me hear the result please
14:19 < daja77> sure
14:19 < daja77> will take hours (days) of course ...
14:20 < blindy> I'm currently building a generic/minimal 2.6 system to check compatibility between fake and me
14:20 < daja77> :)
14:20 < daja77> fake: ping
14:22 < blindy> I wonder if rene will apply 2004012602582804434
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14:30 < skunk2k> moin
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15:05 < cytrinox> moin
15:11 < skunk2k> how can i delete packages from the list to build ?
15:12 < mnemoc> skunk2k: Config -> Expert -> pkgsel -> '- foo'
15:13 < skunk2k> k
15:13 < daja77> the only thing i'd like sth to click on :)
15:14 < mnemoc> :)
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15:27 < mnemoc> *headache*
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15:48 < rolla> re
16:06 < daja77> hi rolla 
16:13 < netrunner> our company just switched off the internet link for one hour because of a new worm that they had no pattern for.
16:13 < mnemoc> *headache*
16:14 < daja77> *gna*
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16:18 < netrunner>  ... now consider it's a world-wide company, with exactly one internet uplink :)
16:18 < daja77> hehe
16:18 < daja77> nice lart
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16:21 * netrunner meanwhile reading http://www2.hunter.com/~skh/humor/admin-horror.html
16:22 * blindy meanwhile reinventing the wheel
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16:24 < blindy> but first... a coffee
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16:25 < netrunner> damnit, I don't get $bigcar, have to go with mine to linuxtag.
16:25 < daja77> :(
16:27 < mnemoc> $tinyandcrapycar ?
16:28 < rolla> hallo daja77 
16:28 < praenti> hi
16:28 < daja77> hi praenti 
16:28 < praenti> anybody uses 2.6.3-kernel?
16:29 < praenti> have some problems with teh headers
16:29 < praenti> i only say: syntax error before "__u32"
16:29 < blindy> hi praenti 
16:29 < netrunner> mnemoc: $carwhereIhavetopaythegas :)
16:29 < daja77> i would when rock build would work again
16:29 < blindy> praenti: I'm just building a 2.6.3 config
16:29 < mnemoc> netrunner: thats really bad 
16:29 < praenti> ahh. moment: In file included from /rock/trunk/build/boot-2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-32-bootdisk-expert/root/usr/include/linux/cdrom.h:14,
16:30 < praenti> this is the same line k3b has thrown in my current environment
16:30 < praenti> because of this kiss doesn't build
16:30 < praenti> ...also
16:31 < praenti> looks for me like a bit fat error in the kernel headers
16:32 < praenti> hmm. cdrom.h is ok.
16:52 < praenti> looks like __attribute_const__ definition in 2.6.3 is wrong...
16:53 < praenti> in kernel < 2.6.3 it was a __const__ but this obsolete...
16:54 < SMP> it's not an error in the kernel headers because the kernel headers work for the rest of the kernel source.
16:55 < daja77> erhm why are user space programs use kernel headers anyway
16:56 < praenti> SMP: i know. but the gcc throw a syntax error. the only thing that could be is that the glibc headers forgets a kernel-header to include
16:56 < daja77> which is sick enough
16:56 < praenti> so all userspace programs would have the problem when they include cdrom.h
16:56 < praenti> argl. i hate glibc
16:56 < SMP> you mean <linux/cdrom.h>
16:57 < daja77> erhm who doesn't?
16:57 < praenti> yepp
16:57 < SMP> which glibc header includes <linux/cdrom.h>?
16:57 < SMP> (none)
16:58 < praenti> ok. but the s.th in the definition in userspace programs is missing then
16:59 < SMP> no
16:59 < praenti> the fact is __attribute_const__ is not working from userspace programs
16:59 < praenti> gcc says a syntax error there
17:00 < praenti> and it is not a problem from kiss or k3b cause they throw the same error
17:01 < praenti> the only thing what they do is including <linux/cdrom.h> and this results in a syntax error
17:01 < SMP> they have no business including that file (from that location)
17:02 < daja77> 1118 builds total, 10 completed fine, 44 with errors.
17:02 < daja77> build abortet in stage 1 now O_o
17:02 < SMP> at least that is what Linus says, so the kiss and k3b authors should just be less stupid or less stubborn and leave <linux/cdrom.h> alone
17:03 < SMP> and use "linux/cdrom.h" e.g.
17:03 < SMP> or we should make available clean kernel headers and not the wild ones from the current kernel
17:04 < daja77> yep linus says, just don't use kernel headers
17:05 < praenti> but we can't fix all projects. so as well far away from stable when using 2.6er kernel... :-(
17:06 < SMP> well I don't agree so much with Linus, but that doesn't matter and the userspace programs need to be fixed to accomodate Linus' opinion
17:06 < SMP> or we need to use fixed kernel headers
17:07 < daja77> praenti: you could for once just downgrade the linux26-header package to 2.6.2 perhaps
17:07 < SMP> which is not hard at all if just the maintainer was less ignorant ;)
17:07 < mnemoc> #ifdef __KERNEL__
17:07 < daja77> ;)
17:07 < praenti> that would be a solution, but i think also a very time consuming work fixing the headers
17:08 < SMP> a package with fixed headers is readily available
17:08 < praenti> ohh. ok, where?
17:08 < daja77> sounds comfortable
17:09 < SMP> some guy from RedHat maintains it, look at their (or Fedora's) rpm/srpm
17:10 < SMP> Fedora want to ship 2.6 as default kernel in FC2 so I guess they fixx0red the 2.6 kernel headers
17:11 < praenti> it looks like i have found them#
17:11 < daja77> it seems that i have to use fedora for clt too
17:11 < praenti> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/sm-discuss/2004-February/005322.html
17:12 < daja77> hmm sm-discuss
17:14 < netrunner> a) a discus used for sm practise .. b) a discussion list on sm practise c) a list on submaster ...
17:14 < mnemoc> :)
17:14 * daja77 votes for c
17:14 * netrunner going home, apparently not enough oxygen here ;)
17:14 < daja77> hehe
17:15 < praenti> looks like the list is run by http://www.sourcemage.org/
17:16 < praenti> don't know what this is, will look now on the page...
17:18 < praenti> hmm. is this more like gentoo... there is not really much information on the page
17:18 < SMP> hmm, FC2-test2 still uses fixed 2.4 kernel headers
17:20 < praenti> ok. i will leave now. cu. thx for the discussion, now i have some new knowledge :-)
17:20 * SMP thinks this is no good for e.g. pfkeyv2.h
17:31 * daja77 really likes this fall back to original dl location feature
17:32 < mnemoc> :)
17:33 < mnemoc> it wasn't easy to get that included :)
17:33 < daja77> good work :)
17:34 < mnemoc> it was just an split of the download_file function
17:34 < mnemoc> but due to indentation diffs, nobody wanted to chekc it 
17:34 < A-Tui> hi all
17:34 < mnemoc> hi A-Tui 
17:35 < A-Tui> mnemoc, i must create an user to use submaster¿
17:35 * mnemoc to bank
17:35 < mnemoc> A-Tui: good 
17:35 < A-Tui> web iface doesn't run
17:36 < mnemoc> uhm?
17:36 < A-Tui> mmmm i think the erro was in the - of A-Tui :)
17:36 < mnemoc> mail clifford about that 'bug'
17:36 < A-Tui> ok
17:37 < mnemoc> gotta go, cu 
17:38 < A-Tui> bye
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20:14 < togg> BUG: in /etc/rockplug/functions line 140 touch -f is invoked. -f is an ignored parameter and unsupported in busybox touch , so executions fails.
20:16 < darix> and in the normal touch from coreutils 5.0 its ignored o.O
20:16 < mnemoc> re
20:17 < mnemoc> what touch -f suppose to do??
20:18 < darix> mnemoc: coreutils manpage says: ignored parameter
20:19 < darix> mnemoc: busybox doesnt implement it 
20:19 < batok> I need to make mysql run... Which are the steps ?
20:19 < mnemoc> but it got there for some reason... i doubt it was added just to support more letters
20:19 < A-Tui> mmm sm has built a 10 mg patch!
20:20 < mnemoc> batok: emerge, configure, configure init, run :)
20:21 < mnemoc> daja77: what happened to your rtai work?
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20:31 < daja77> see first paragraph ^^
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20:41 < daja77> nice SMP  made a psi package
20:43 < giftnuss> what is psi?
20:43 < daja77> a jabber client
20:48 < giftnuss> Here should be an an IRC-conference about the image-installer for amiga and pegasos.
20:48 < giftnuss> not here in the irc, in this room.
20:49 < giftnuss> www.amipeglin.de.vu is the url.
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21:25 * daja77 off for party
21:30 < mnemoc> party on monday?
21:30 < daja77> yep
21:33 < mnemoc> good luck :(
21:33 < mnemoc> .oO( /me tries to remember the last party he went )
21:39 < skunk2k> i hate partys
21:39 < skunk2k> :>
21:42 < mnemoc> i would love to go with my wife to parties again :'(
21:49 < skunk2k> to many ppl i dont like
21:54 < mnemoc>  don't care about other people, they just exist. but inside that big cattle there is an small group (even just 2 persons) who are having fun together in a place/enviroment where you can forget problems and stuff..
22:10 < skunk2k> jep...
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22:14 < theanalogkid> I'm having a problem with my config file
22:14 < theanalogkid> the download script says it can't find it
22:14 < theanalogkid> though it is there
22:15 < netrunner> theanalogkid: the config is more a directory than a file
22:16 < theanalogkid> I get this when I use a wildcard
22:16 < theanalogkid> ERROR: Unknown file: config/default/packages.
22:16 < theanalogkid> ERROR: Unknown file: config/default/packages.txt.
22:16 < theanalogkid> ERROR: Unknown file: -required.
22:18 < theanalogkid> and this is what I type ./scripts/Download -cfg config/default/* -required
22:22 < theanalogkid> does anyone have an idea?
22:23 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download -required
22:24 < mnemoc> or ./scripts/Download -cfg default -required
22:27 < mnemoc> theanalogkid: please read the handbook available from our website.
22:27 < theanalogkid> i did
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22:50 < theanalogkid> is there something suppose to be in packages and/or packages.txt because mine are blank and it isn't downloading anything with the -required flag
22:54 < mnemoc> you need to run ./scripts/Config first
22:54 < theanalogkid> I did
22:54 < theanalogkid> but it's still blank
22:55 < mnemoc> after running Config what did you do? (inside it)
22:55 < mnemoc> can you run ./scripts/Check-System please?
22:56 < theanalogkid> ah wait I just noticed I didn't have gawk installed
22:56 < theanalogkid> all is well now
22:56 < mnemoc> o_O
22:57 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Check-System
22:57 < theanalogkid> it doesn't do anything
22:57 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:58 < mnemoc> what's linux are you using to build this rock?
22:58 < theanalogkid> Arch
22:59 < theanalogkid> i execute it and it just aborts i guess you could call it
22:59 < mnemoc> bash -x ./scripts/Check-System 
23:00 < theanalogkid> it posts the contents of the script
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23:00 < mnemoc> theanalogkid: look for errors :)
23:01 < theanalogkid> I guess it found nothing wrong?
23:02 < mnemoc> you have gawk installed now?
23:02 < theanalogkid> yes
23:02 < mnemoc> rm -rf config/default
23:03 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config
23:03 < mnemoc> again
23:03 < theanalogkid> okay
23:04 < theanalogkid> ah it's downloading now
23:04 < mnemoc> great
23:04 < theanalogkid> thanks
23:04 < mnemoc> np :)
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23:36 < cytrinox> gn8
23:37 < mnemoc> gn8 cytrinox 
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