--- Log opened Wed Mar 03 00:00:09 2004
00:10 < netrunner>  /save lastlog -o esdenthreat-20040302
00:33 < esdentem> grrr
00:33 < daja77> :)
00:34 < daja77> btw when will logging be reenabled
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00:55 < skunk2k> im gonna install my second build... bbl
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01:29 < skunk2k> re
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02:04 < skunk2k> im gonna sleep
02:04 < skunk2k> n8
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08:26 < netrunne1> moin
08:52 < blindy> moin
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09:25 < rxr> rehi
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10:38 < fake> omfg...
10:38 < fake> this is so _redicilous_
10:38 < blindy> hm?
10:38 < fake> informatics lesson
10:38 < blindy> oh
10:39 < fake> short test
10:39 < blindy> MUAHAHA!
10:39 < blindy> How long did it take you? 5 mins?
10:39 < fake> 'what does this code do' and 'what is wrong with this code' should not be asked 
10:39 < fake> (together)
10:39 < fake> i had to fork about a thousand possible branches
10:40 < blindy> uah
10:40 < fake> if line 1 is wrong, the program will... if line 2 is wrong and will be replaced by 'somethingelse' the program will...
10:40 < blindy> *ouch*
10:40 < blindy> 1) This program will segfault
10:40 < blindy> 2) see 1)
10:41 < blindy> fake: do you by any chance still have the FF IX CDs?
10:41 < fake> the ultimate answer: this program proves that informatics in school, even in the training for a programming _specialist_, is ABSOLUTELY useless
10:42 < blindy> BWAHAHA
10:42 < blindy> I guess you'd have been thrown out of the course then :)
10:42 < fake> (in the lesson before informatics, german, we learnt what a 'verb' is)
10:42 < fake> oh, i wrote that. hell, WHO NEEDS THIS COURSE?
10:42 < fake> blindy: i think i have it... somewhere...
10:43 < blindy> fake: could you please have a look? I'm currently playing again, and my CDs 2-4 are damaged >_<
10:43 < fake> i will, as soon as i'm home
10:44 < fake> regarding that ecnryption thing: i initially thought you were trying to combine the two methods, which i knew would not work, thus my upset answer
10:44 < fake> as in 'dare you trying that!' ;)
10:45 < blindy> fake: I see... Well, it would be nice if that worked ^_^
10:45 < fake> yeah, like it would be great if money and stupidity were compatible. i'd be rich...
10:46 < blindy> oh, they _are_
10:46 * blindy thinking of his dance-partner's boyfriend
10:46 < blindy> yes, they really are...
10:47 < fake> damn irc
10:47 < fake> how do i un-ignore someone if the damn frickin' flood-protection of bitchx kicked in?
10:48 < fake> mode -? 
10:48 < blindy> puh... no idea... irssi here
10:48 < fake>  ah... /unig...
10:48 < fake> (stupid abbrev.)
10:49 < fake> okay, where is owl?
10:49 < clifford> hi fake.
10:49 < fake> hi clifford!
10:49 < clifford> I just wanted to call you...
10:49 < fake> clifford: i wanted to call you tonight ;)
10:50 < blindy> fake: hmm... why? teasing here?
10:50 < clifford> when are you going to drive to chemnitz?
10:50 < fake> not at such an un-geekomanic time.
10:50 < blindy> moin clifford 
10:50 < fake> blindy: no, just to know where she is
10:50 < fake> clifford: on friday, i thought? 
10:51 < clifford> "Register to Win a Xbox from ModelSim!" - oh god...
10:56 < clifford> Q: Ad Mailing list: should add the mailing list manager a "reply to:" to the list or not?
10:56 < clifford> in general it is recommended to _not_ do that for a rather big list of reasons.
10:56 < fake> yes!
10:56 < fake> i want that
10:56 < fake> i hate list-reply
10:56 < blindy> it should go to the list
10:57 < fake> like before
10:57 < clifford> the only reason for doing that are in fact old/stupid/broken mail clients...
10:57 < fake> or old/stupid/broken users
10:57 < fake> and that fits me perfectly
10:57 < blindy> why broken?
10:57 < fake> look at my teeth and ask again
10:57 < fake> ;)
10:57 < blindy> fake: I meant clifford, but okay :)
10:58 < clifford> with some mail clients it is rather "hard" to reply to the list.
10:59 < blindy> ok
10:59 < clifford> better ones recognise the List-Post header.
10:59 < blindy> well, almost all lists I'm subscribed to, Reply-TO: goes to the list
11:00 < clifford> hmm.. looks like SMP isn't here right now. (would be fun to watch the flamewar ;-)
11:00 < blindy> heh
11:00 < daja77> fake: !
11:00 < fake> daja77: ?
11:01 < daja77> good to see you here
11:01 < clifford> daja77: should the mailing list have a reply-to which points back to the list?
11:01 < blindy> moin daja77 
11:01 * fake is pretty useless lately
11:01 < daja77> yes, of course
11:01 < fake> thats 3 on 1 (with imaginary SMP 3 on 2)
11:02 < clifford> ok. i'll reconfigure the list..
11:02 < blindy> in mutt, when Reply-To differs from From you are asked if you want to reply to Reply-To and if no it replies to From
11:02 < fake> we could of course, add a voting module to submaster...
11:02 < daja77> fake: reminder: don't forget the video on friday ;)
11:02 < clifford> fake: submaster has a voting module.
11:02 < blindy> fake: Vote For / Against?
11:03 < fake> no, i mean voting for or against some topic without a patch attached... i was referring to the voting on phpnuke, comparing submaster to phpnuke, which in turn was ment to be funny, but as i guess i pretty much messed the joke up by now.
11:03 < SMP> clifford: noooooooo!
11:03 < fake> *ROFL*
11:03 < fake> daja77: i will try to 
11:04 < fake> daja77: when should we arrive on FR?
11:04 < clifford> damit. I did it already.
11:04 < fake> *strike*
11:04 < SMP> no, problem, I'll just unsubscribe
11:05 < clifford> SMP: noooooooo!  :-)
11:05 < SMP> ;)
11:05 < fake> clifford: hack mailman to support per-user configuration of that
11:05 < clifford> "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out"  *argwl*  those stupid lost interupts..
11:05 < fake> you'd do the world a favour
11:06 < fake> setterm -msg off
11:06 < clifford> I would wonder if mailman has per-user config of that... ;-)
11:06 < clifford> s/would/wouldn't/
11:06 < daja77> fake: asap, but afternoon is ok, we could start at 12, but we i think there is no need to
11:06 < fake> 12 as in 00 or as in 12??
11:07 < daja77> 12
11:07 < SMP> it would be more usefull to set reply-to: rock-devel for the rock-sm and rock-svn lists ...
11:07 * clifford wanted to ask the same question.
11:07 < clifford> SMP: this is the case already.
11:07 < daja77> you nerds
11:07 < fake> but... that's in the middle of the recreation phase... 
11:07 < SMP> oh. yes.
11:08 < daja77> the first ppl can get in at 10, but it makes no sense for us to stand around at an empty place ;)
11:08 * fake fears the great room with the blue ceiling
11:08 < SMP> ok, I hate this reply-to thing, I'll just flame some random people on the list ...
11:08 < fake> SMP: *rofl*
11:09 < fake> daja77: so, what arrival time would you suggest?
11:10 < daja77> 14:00
11:11 < fake> i guess for a total trip time of 4 hrs, so that would make me leave at 10:00
11:11 < fake> clifford: 10:00 in munich?
11:12 < clifford> fake: hmm.. can I sleep at your place for a night?  ;-)
11:12 < daja77> for those who are bored #clt2004 on ircnet ^^
11:12 < fake> sure - but that would be in ingolstadt
11:13 < fake> i could fetch you on thursday... that would be 'tomorrow' or 'today++'... 
11:13 < clifford> that's ok. but if I should be at 10:00 in munich that means I should leave vienna about 5:00 or 4:30.
11:14 * SMP constantly wonders how often he will have to mention to Rene to just DELETE THE GODDAMN KOPETE PACKAGE ...
11:14 < fake> despite the fact that the train schedule is very light at that time, it would be a great time for travelling.
11:14 < daja77> LOL @ SMP 
11:14 < fake> SMP: i could send an update patch and see if he applies it... *g*
11:15 < clifford> SMP: Submit a patch to submaster *g*
11:16 < SMP> clifford: it was supposed to be in the diff that svn messed up, remember? I added a comment advising to delete some package, Rene applied the remaining diff but ignored my comment
11:16 < fake> clifford: so, to summarize: i will fetch you from munich train station tomorrow afternoon, we will depart for chemnitz the day after at about 10:00
11:17 < fake> but the comment was in the svn commit message
11:17 < clifford> SMP: Is that just the removal of a directory? which one? (/me want's to test it)
11:17 < clifford> fake: I'm not sure If I will travel by train or car right now..
11:18 < SMP> clifford: I don't know how to reproduce that. I have some other strange behavoir in another svn repo, even tried to make a lenghty test-case, but can't reproduce it there
11:18 < clifford> SMP: Is it just the removal of a directory? which one?
11:19 < fake> clifford: oh, i don't know how to get to the munich train station by car, anyways, so i'd appreciate that ;)
11:19 < SMP> because "svn diff $repo/tags/a $repo/tags/b" is supposed to be equal to "svn export $repo/tags/a a ; svn $repo/tags/b b ; diff -urN a b", isn't it?!
11:19 < fake> urdN ?
11:20 < SMP> the thing is, the direct "svn diff" reports a LOAD of files removed that haven't changed at all
11:20 < SMP> I hate subversion
11:20 < SMP> I hate subversion
11:20 < SMP> I hate subversion
11:21 < clifford> SMP: Is there any reason why you don't want to tell me the name of the directory???
11:21 < fake> packages/rene/kopete
11:21 < SMP> clifford: package/rene/kopete ?
11:21 < clifford> ok. and it should just be removed?
11:21 < SMP> I think now it's actually package/kde/kopete
11:22 < SMP> yes, it has to go away
11:22 < fake> is the kmail-patch in the kdepim directory?
11:22 < SMP> but it's a Heisenbug, it will work for you without a problem ...
11:23 < clifford> just let me check... does it work fo you now?
11:23 < SMP> wait I need to sync
11:24 < SMP> what exactly am I supposed to type to get it removed safely?
11:26 < SMP> Skipped missing target: 'package/rene/kopete/kopete.conf'
11:26 < SMP> Skipped missing target: 'package/rene/kopete'
11:26 < SMP> oh my, this is so ridiculous
11:28 < clifford> ok. I see the problem.
11:28 < clifford> Removing cleanly works with:
11:28 < clifford> svn up package/rene/kopete
11:28 < clifford> svn rm package/rene/kopete
11:28 < clifford> sm commit package/rene/kopete
11:31 < clifford> looks like that is an svn bug.
11:35 < fake> is it coincidence that a 'last info' mail from lxtag-chem arrives right now?
11:36 < daja77> hm why
11:38 < fake> just curious
11:38 * fake sensing conspiracies... everywhere...
11:41 < daja77> fake: you are absolutly right
11:41 < daja77> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=j%C3%BCngster+tag+definition&btnG=Google+Search
11:42 * fake *sweats*
11:42 < daja77> we are doomed
11:42 * fake will bring a towel
11:42 < daja77> *ggg*
11:42 < daja77> fake: so have you decided if you want to stay at my place?
11:43 < fake> clifford: have we?
11:44 < clifford> afk. be back after lunch..
11:44 < fake> answer?
11:44 < fake> first?
11:44 < fake> please?
11:44 < daja77> clifford wanted ...
11:44 < clifford> yes - but I'm not sure now when I will arrive in munich..
11:44 < clifford> (sometime tomorrow evening)
11:45 < SMP> how to I "svn add" all added files in a directory?
11:45 < blindy> daja77: so clt2004 is doomsday?
11:45 < SMP> s,added,new,
11:45 < blindy> SMP: svn add the directory
11:46 < blindy> svn status | grep '^\?' | sed 's,  *, ,g' | cut -f 2 -d' ' | xargs svn add
11:46 < blindy> if the former doesn't work :)
11:47 * blindy hides
11:47 < daja77> blindy: yep seems so
11:48 < blindy> daja77: that's what I call a job well done :)
11:50 < daja77> hehehe
11:52 < fake> daja77: so yes, as i get it, clifford and i would stay at you place, if it doesn't cause any inconvenience
11:53 < daja77> k.
12:07 < fake> ...
12:07 < fake> *sigh*
12:08 < blindy> fake: ?
12:11 < fake> life sucks
12:11 < blindy> tell me something I don't know
12:12 < blindy> speaking of life...
12:12 < blindy> I should get dressed
12:12 < blindy> have to go buy ingredients for lunch
12:12 < blindy> bye
12:18 < fake> SMP: are you watching Enterprise Season 3 already?
12:19 < SMP> what is that? ;)
12:21 * fake just has to listen to how bad and evil the internet is and that all internet 'users' are addicts and love child pr0n
12:21 < fake> and that in an english lesson, on german, by a woman, in an advanced informatics training course.
12:21 < daja77> wtf
12:22 < fake> and that laws should be made to forbid p0rn on the net in general
12:22 < fake> SMP wouldn't like that ;)
12:23 < daja77> ;)
12:23 < SMP> I don't listen to idiots
12:24 * fake has to listen, will get graded
12:39 * fake break
12:55 * blindy back
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13:25 < daja77> erhm do i have to subscribe for svn-status or am i just moved from the old list?
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13:26 < tfing> nobody was auto-subscribed to rock-svn
13:26 < daja77> well but i get mails from that list, so i guess i am subscribed
13:26 < martin_> hello
13:27 < blindy> everyone who got them before also gets them now
13:27 < clifford> only those who have been subscribed to the old svn status liost are now subscribed to rock-svn.
13:27 < daja77> k.
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13:34 < daja77> clifford: have you noticed that one of your speeches is just 30min?
13:40 < clifford> daja77: yes - the vpn / sec. extranet speech.
13:40 < daja77> yep
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13:51 < skunk2k> re
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13:58 < mnemoc> moin
14:04 < skunk2k> moin
14:04 < true> moin
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14:16 < cytrinox> moin
14:25 * mnemoc don't want to work today :|
14:47 < rolla> then don't
14:47 < mnemoc> too risky
14:48 < rolla> ;)
14:48 < mnemoc> :(
14:50 < daja77> hi rolla & mnemoc 
14:51 < mnemoc> hi daja77, ready for clt?
14:51 < daja77> grmpf
14:51 < daja77> no
14:52 < mnemoc> :(
14:59 < clifford> SMP: still around?
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16:08 < holyolli> moin
16:08 < daja77> moin holyolli 
16:08 < holyolli> huhu daja77 :)
16:08 < daja77> :)
16:12 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 
16:12 < holyolli> hola mnemoc
16:14 < mnemoc> como estas holyolli?
16:14 < daja77> .oO (second inofficial chan langauge )
16:16 < mnemoc> he is practicing =)
16:16 < daja77> yeah and my typing is screwed
16:18 < holyolli> mnemoc: gracias, estoy muy bien. y tu?
16:18 < daja77> 1118 builds total, 647 completed fine, 9 with errors.
16:18 < daja77> yeah there is progress
16:19 < mnemoc> bien, pero sin ganas de trabajar hoy :\
16:19 < mnemoc> daja77: what is broken?
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16:19 < holyolli> acabo de acabar mi trabajo
16:20 < daja77> that stuff from yesterday + kdeadmin
16:20 < daja77> nothing serious
16:21 < holyolli> mnemoc: juego el 'regulator aviacion' hoy 
16:21 < mnemoc> holyolli: emocionado?
16:21 < mnemoc> daja77: i saw only three yesterday
16:22 < holyolli> mnemoc: como?
16:22 < holyolli> mnemoc: (=what did you mean?)
16:22 < mnemoc> holyolli: estas ancioso por ir?
16:23 < mnemoc> daja77: looks good :)
16:23 < daja77> yep
16:23 < holyolli> mnemoc: qué significa 'ancioso'?
16:25 < mnemoc> holyolli: anciedad es la sensación enfermiza de no poder esperar por algo
16:26 < mnemoc> ansiedad*
16:28 < holyolli> mnemoc: ok..to hard for me in english: we had to visit an area control centre who controls the northern part of germany..and like we use flightsimulators, they have sims for tower/area-controller
16:28 < holyolli> and it was funny...would be the same as if somebody who had never fly before has to steer an airplane
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16:30 < mnemoc> steer? :\
16:31 < holyolli> fly...
16:31 < mnemoc> damn slang
16:37 < mnemoc> holyolli: "it _was_ funny"? will you play or did you play?
16:38 < holyolli> mnemoc: it was...
16:40 < mnemoc> oh... that missunderstood made me ask you your you were excited and anxious
16:40 < holyolli> ups..sorry
16:40 < mnemoc> s/your/if/
16:40 < daja77> if if *gg*
16:41 < mnemoc> jugué es el pasado de jugar
16:41 < holyolli> ah ok
16:41 < mnemoc> daja77: :)
17:01 < SMP> clifford: back
17:18 < clifford> SMP: hi again.
17:19 < clifford> if a directory is removed, svn is not creating patches for the files in it.
17:19 < clifford> that's reproduceable and imo a bug.
17:19 < clifford> the workarround for you would be to simply 'svn rm' the files only and do a 'sm commit'
17:20 < clifford> and in a 2nd step 'svn rm' the directory and 'sm commit' that.
17:20 < clifford> ..not very clean - i know. but it works.
17:21 < SMP> yeah, 'but it works' seems to be the whole concept behind subversion ;)
17:21 < SMP> ok, thanks, I'll stick to that
17:22 < clifford> I'll tell rene to forward this as bug-report to the svn people. (he has the better connections)
17:23 < daja77> in #svn?
17:24 < clifford> well - they simply ignored my post in #svn a few hours ago...  :-(
17:24 < daja77> ah k. not reading it frequently ...
17:30 < blindy> hmm... that was easier than I thought
17:31 * blindy starting a test-build of LVP - configured only through files in target/lvp
17:33 < darix> clifford: svn rm ; svn diff > diff ; svn commit 
17:33 < darix> works too
17:33 < darix> just tested it here
17:33 < darix> than you get a patch with the "deletes"
17:34 < darix> report it anyways
17:36 < clifford> darix: that doesn't help me - I need to get those diffs from the repository, not the working copy.
17:37 < clifford> what you did here is somethign entirely different handled by other code..
17:37 < darix> .oO( svn up -r $(revbefore delete) ;  svn diff > diff ; svn up *hides* )o
17:51 < tfing> clifford: do you have something against having gmane (gmane.org) subscribed to rock mls ?
17:52 < mnemoc> esden promised long time ago an nntp server for rock's ML =)
17:53 < tfing> mnemoc: gmane is nice
17:53 < mnemoc> little slow but nice
17:53 < mnemoc> the source is available through cvs
17:55 < tfing> i don't find it slow
17:55 < clifford> tfing: I think it's ok. I can change my mind later if it makes troubles...  ;-)
17:56 < clifford> do I need to do anything for that?
17:56 < tfing> http://gmane.org/subscribe.php is for that
17:56 < tfing> you can specify if you want the list read-only etc.
17:57 * blindy gone
17:57 < mnemoc> can u be member of a list for post and not receive mails?
17:58 < mnemoc> i mean, to post through gmane and not get them twice
17:58 < clifford> tfing: I don't need that.. just subscribe us there if you want this to be done..
17:58 < tfing> why would you receive it twice ?
17:59 < tfing> clifford: i'll do it
17:59 < mnemoc> on gmane and on your mailbox
18:00 < tfing> mnemoc: i guess you can put a filter on yourself on your nntp client
18:00 < mnemoc> tfing: i do that give others lists
18:00 < mnemoc> i just wondered
18:00 < tfing> well i don't know
18:00 < mnemoc> s/give/with/
18:01 < mnemoc> btw, they can import mbox archives
18:02 < mnemoc> i guess clifford has the complete one, don't you? ;)
18:03 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/mindex/rock-devel@20010301.030000.00000000.html <--- what happened to me archive between 12-2000 and 7-2001?
18:04 < mnemoc> aarg... s/me/the/
18:05 < daja77> another one who can't type anymore
18:05 < mnemoc> :(
18:06 < daja77> btw for those who didn't notice http://www.juliob.com/me/
18:27 < tfing> hmm, gmane.linux.rock.devel or gmane.comp.rock.devel ?
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18:28 < tfing> the linux one i guess
18:28 < mnemoc> gmane.comp. ? .. someday the freebsd will be built
18:28 < mnemoc> too
18:29 < mnemoc> aaarg.... them hands.... someday the freebsd >kernel< will be built >too<
18:29 < daja77> they built a live cd ...
18:29 < daja77> mnemoc: so what
18:30 < mnemoc> it wont be linux
18:30 < daja77> *shrug*
18:30 < mnemoc> =)
18:30 < tfing> ack
18:31 < mnemoc> well "bsd means much more than a kernel, the even if we use their kernel we will preserve linux point of view"
18:31 < daja77> yep
18:32 < mnemoc> nice hybrid will we have there :)
18:32 < daja77> and we should fuss so much about a name if we don't want to end like that browser_which_will_never_find_a_legal_name
18:32 < daja77> shouldn't
18:33 < mnemoc> ok :)
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19:32 < tfing> hmm, i got errors now that i stupidly did a sm queue r14 r15
19:33 < tfing> |:: sm queue
19:33 < tfing> |svn: Syntax error in revision argument 'r14'
19:33 < tfing> |svn: Syntax error in revision argument 'r15'
19:35 < tfing> hmm, the rock.sm/SM/queue.txt seems responsible for that
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20:01 < A-Tui> hi, i'm having problems when accesing to submaster server via curl
20:23 < mnemoc> tfing: don't use the 'r'
20:29 < tfing> mnemoc: i know, that's why i said "stupidly" ;)
20:30 < A-Tui> mmm sm perl script must have simple '' in the pass field when calls curl
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21:11 < blindy> hi
21:35 < rolla> re
21:37 < blindy> d'oh
21:37 < blindy> I just removed sysfiles from my machine by misusage of mine >_<
21:38 < blindy> the - in -R was missing >_<
21:39 < mnemoc> outch
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21:45 < slightedchris> what's this room all about??
21:47 < blindy> ROCK Linux
21:48 < mnemoc> slightedchris: read the topic and visit the url on it
21:48 < mnemoc> 2003:
21:48 < mnemoc> planed: Q3, 2003: v2.0.0-final
21:48 < mnemoc> uhmm.... someone should 'update' that
21:49 < blindy> yes, indeed
21:57 * blindy --> bed
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22:02 < mnemoc> b8 blindy 
22:03 < mnemoc> n8*
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22:04 * menomc *is* a typo
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22:10 < daja77> lol
22:11 < menomc> at leasdt i'm not pinignig darix when i mean daja77 :)
22:11 < daja77> hehe
22:11 < daja77> hi typo :p
22:12 < menomc> hi fetaeur!
22:12 < menomc> featuer*
22:12 < menomc> :(
22:12 < menomc> feature*
22:12 < daja77> me?
22:12 < daja77> O_o
22:13 < menomc> or bug? ;)
22:13 * daja77 kicks typo
22:13 < menomc> :(
22:14 < menomc> actually you are a typo too
22:14 < menomc> less evolved but a typo
22:14 < daja77> yep
22:16 < menomc> hey tiny-typo, how is your game-station bulif going?
22:17 < daja77> progress 0%
22:18 < menomc> daedline?
22:19 < daja77> well tomorrow
22:20 < daja77> have a date in the evening, everythink must be done until then
22:20 < menomc> 0->100 in less than 24 hours? 
22:21 < daja77> can be done
22:21 < daja77> the thing that hurts most is that rl build isn't finished yet
22:21 < menomc> idle?
22:22 < daja77> well ihave to package 3 or 4 additional games
22:22 < daja77> the rest is already shipped with rock
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23:59 < cytrinox> gn8
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